Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #987 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 987 Tuesday, 11 June 2002 Today's Topics: Crimson related releases ET 985 Re: Wives &c Re: wives Definitive Vicar USA; definitive choices; girls who love KC; who's the Vicar?; etc Dames at C Re: Wives Femelle Crimsons & Favorite songs. Re: wives USA is (sort of) available Other Recent Gabriel Reissues Re: Bruford & Genesis Definitive Crim & Zoom Club Sinning Against Sinfield Definitive Crim KC wives ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:39:38 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Crimson related releases Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop Newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Here are some excerpts from Crimson fans. Available now from Discipline Bill Bruford's Earthworks/Footloose in NYC ....DVD Now you can absorb the whole Eartworks experience on this unique DVD, Footloose in NYC, and enjoy an intimate, up-close evening of state-of-the-art jazz at The Bottom Line in New York City. Effortless, elegant and economical, Bruford personifies the art of the drummer, and his group, Earthworks, 'casts new light on the jazz quartet format.' - Los Angeles Times Includes 1 hour & 50 minutes of concert footage, 20 minutes of exclusive backstage footage and interviews, full discography and biography, Dolby 5.1 surround sound, Dolby stereo, interactive menus, instant chapter access to songs, picture format: NTSC 4:3, all regions, running time 134 minutes. John Paul Jones/Zooma ....CD Now available at a lower price is John Paul Jones solo debut on DGM! This roaring and powerful 9 track instrumental album features Jones playing four-string, ten-string, and twelve-string basses, as well as bass lap steel, kyma, mandola, organ and guitars, while also arranging and conducting members of the London Symphony Orchestra for one of the tracks. John Paul Jones envisions Zooma as the advent of an on-going solo career. soundbite - Recently released by Burning Shed Tim Bowness & Peter Chilvers/California Norfolk ....import CD Something of an extension of the duo's work as part of Samuel Smiles and a continuation of the ideas explored on 'Flame' (the Barbieri / Bowness album from 1994), 'California, Norfolk' is the debut release from Tim Bowness (No-Man) and Peter Chilvers (Alias Grace). Combining dark, electronic textures and found sounds with lean, intense compositions and poignant lyrics, the album's highly original synthesis of singer-songwriter intimacy and imaginative production values echoes aspects of the pioneering work of Blue Nile, Randy Newman, Steve Reich, Mark Eitzel and late 70's Berlin-era Bowie/Eno. From the brooding, cinematic and orchestral sweep of 'Hostage' to the epic ambition of 'Winter With You' through the bleak, icy overtones of 'Days Turn Into Years', the album forms a suite of musical short stories awash with domestic drudgery and fleeting hopes, misguided trust and thwarted dreams. Ballad Electronica, Ambient Folk, or perhaps the soundtrack to the best film you've never seen, 'California, Norfolk' is one of the most heartfelt and haunting debuts of recent years. soundbite - Mastica/Mastica '99 ....import CD Comprising King Crimson drummer Pat Mastelotto and husband and wife team Gum B and Monkey, Mastica have produced a debut album that inventively combines contemporary US Indie Rock edge, Sylvian/Ferry-esque moods and experimental Froom/Waits production values. Without doubt, one of the most distinctive extra-curricular projects to emerge out of the KC universe. soundbite - Recently released from Musea Alquilbencil/From Serengethi to Taklamakan ....import CD ALQUILBENCIL is a spanish band which was formed in 1997, in Barcelona. Their first Cd was released in 1999. A new studio album is planned for 2002. This is a Live album, recorded in 2001 in Badalona. These ten mostly instrumental pieces offer a very personal music, influenced by King Crimson, Soft Machine, Robert Wyatt, with also a specific mediterranean touch, as for rythms and some melodic lines. Sometimes experimental, often melodious and elegant, Alquilbencil is a very promising and exciting band! (I'm basically including this as a personal recommendation. I enjoy this release quite a bit and think fans of early Crimson will find much to like in this new band!) soundbite - On our new import releases page HENSLEY,KEN & JOHN WETTON-MORE THAN CONQUERORS (DVD-NTSC) Live film from the London Forum in December 2001 when both artists united to perform a greatest hits set together. The CD is also available with each artist guesting on the others release. Includes tracks 'A Minor Life', 'Easy Livin', 'One Way Or Another' & 'Emma'. Running time approx 90 minutes. EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER-BEST OF THE BOOTLEGS (2CD) Exactly what it says on the label, this collects the finest moments from Castle Music's acclaimed series of ELP official live bootlegs. Six years of classic American performances are assembled across these two CDs, from 1971's 'The Barbarian' to 1977's reprise of their worldwide hit, 'Fanfare For The Common Man'. Whether you treat it as a taster for the full Bootleg Box Series, or a virtual 'greatest hits', Best Of The Bootlegs captures the ultimate prog trio at their peak. HASKELL,GORDON-ALL MY LIFE 2002 compilation for artist best-known for the 2001 hit, 'How Wonderful You Are', off the 'Harry's Bar' album. Featuring Gordon's very own selection of his finest recordings prior to 'Harry's Bar'. 13 tracks including, 'Hambledon Hill', 'Breathing In' & 'Go Tell Sarah'. TIPPETT,KEITH GROUP-DEDICATED TO YOU, BUT YOU WEREN'T LISTENING German reissue of 1971 album originally issued on Vertigo. Repertoire. On our import preorder page EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER-FANFARE FOR THE COMMON MAN 2002 single for the progressive rock supergroup. 'Fanfare For The Common Man' originally appeared on the 1977 classic, 'Works, Vol. 1'. ASIA-QUADRA (LTD) (4CD) EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER-ORIGINAL BOOTLEG SERIES VOL. 3 (4CD) 2002 box-set for the progressive rock supergroup. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:17:03 -0400 From: Philip dot Quirk at wpginvest dot com Subject: ET 985 In ET985, Clifford Jordan writes, "im always hearing people on this list talk about their wives and how they hate king crimson, or they dont like hearing it, or they tolerate in now and then... does anyone here have a wife that is a equal or bigger fan of KC than they are? it just seems to reinforce the unfortunate fact that there are way more male fans than female fans." The unfortunate truth is that there are very few women who like this kind of music. The same dynamic seems to hold for fusion such as Mahavishnu, Lifetime with A. Holdsworth,etc. I went to the KC show last December in NY, and the crowd had to be 90% male. I'm married almost 15 years to a great woman, but she can't stand KC- she calls it 'that disciplne stuff' and claims that it makes people homicidal! I only listen to it when 1) She's not home, or 2) She's asleep My point is that if you are lucky enough to find a woman who likes KC and who is also a good woman for you, then you've hit the jackpot. If she can tolerate that you listen to it, well that may be good enough when you consider everything else. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:22:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: Wives &c Jordan wonders: >im always hearing people on this list talk about their wives and how they >hate king crimson, or they dont like hearing it, or they tolerate in now >and then... does anyone here have a wife that is a equal or bigger fan >of KC than they are? Well, not to stir up the jealosy of the assembled prog-fan masses, but my girlfriend is a big King Crimson fan. As big as me? Naw, she's average-sized. Thank you folks, I'll be here all week. But seriously, I knew she had a prediliction for "heavy" music since she listened to Motley Crue, Ratt, et al, while she was in high school. Took her to see the Double Duo in 2000 and she was hooked; she'll even drive a couple hours with me to see them two nights in a row. Favorite songs are "Construction of Light" and "Thela Hun Ginjeet" and she even called me from the road once because she was listening to the TCOL album and wanted to tell me how much she liked it. I can think of two other women within my immediate circle of friends who are big Crim fans, too, so it can't be *that* rare. Of course, "rare" is relative; I don't expect to see lines out the door of the Ladies' Room at any upcoming Crim show, but Crim seems to attract a larger female audience than most "hard-core prog" bands. I suspect that it's just the guys who get a lot of grief over their musical tastes who tend to make a little more noise about it in discussion groups. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: david craig Subject: Re: wives > does anyone here have a wife that is a equal or bigger fan of KC than > they are? Well, I'm definitely the more obsessed of the two with crimso, but music is a shared passion of ours and introducing each other to exciting music was a key component of our courtship, back when. I can say that it was thrilling to me that she _loved_ the crimson I played for her. We had epic evenings listening to the Berkeley Greek '82, or Hendrix in Copenhagen, September 1970, or ... I could go on for a while there [:-)] We can't listen to much of this kind of music _together_ now, because we have very busy lives and a small child, but she still listens while running and I with headphones in the dark recesses of the night. And it's a knowledge that we will always share. David Craig ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:51:00 -0400 From: bruce higgins Subject: Definitive Vicar >From: "Craig J. Clark" >Subject: Re: Definitive Track > >I'm still waiting for the double duo to do something "definitive." Deception of the Thrush works for me. While it may be 'derivative', LTIA IV positively roared on the last tour. I'd also nominate FraKctured, and say that I suspect 'Virtuous Circle' will eventually become recognized as a classic. >From: david craig >Subject: The Vicar? > >I don't think this has been properly answered: who the hell is the Vicar? >RF with too much time on his hands? (Who's got >time for this, really?) I haven't yet seen a definitive answer, but the 'obvious' guesses like Fripp, Eno, PG, Singleton, etc, all ring hollow to me. I very strongly suspect longtime roadie and sometime collaborator Richard Vickers. He's obscure enough that it's hard to establish for sure, but his name is a screaming clue, don't you think??? B___ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:54:37 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: USA; definitive choices; girls who love KC; who's the Vicar?; etc >From: dan buxbaum < dandor at erols dot com > >Subject: USA is currently (sort of) available! Please elaborate Dan! >I'm still waiting for the double duo to do something "definitive." It's got to be the title song of Construction of Light. >Level 5 era: Deception of the Thrush Another excellent choice. >... does anyone here have a wife that is a equal or bigger fan of KC than they are? I have had two sweethearts who absolutely adore King Crimson. But not as much as I do. >I don't think this has been properly answered: >who the hell is the Vicar? I have heard it suggested that it is Adrian Molloy of Fripp's management team. Sounds likely to me. >Starless, without a doubt! Another great choice >Anyway, my vote is for LTiA, PII. This is a remarkably good choice. >LTiA wasn't easy to find in Brazil, I had to buy >it in Germany, among all the KC albuns I could >find (in vinyl). You are to be congratulated for your persistence! >Anyway, yes the sound is pretty bad but it >certainly isn't worst than Beat Club and the >playing offers such a compensation! If the sound quality is anywhere near Beat Club, I will be ecstatic. My crappy bootleg of Zoom Club is nearly unlistenable. >This also made me realise how much I would >like to see a Crimson show, one day, made up of >absolutly nothing I know! C'mon, bring it on! I'm with you, my brother! - S. np: Brand X, Manifest Destiny scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:40:53 -0400 From: "josh chasin" Subject: Dames at C Jordan Clifford" writes: > im always hearing people on this list talk about their wives and how they > hate king crimson, or they dont like hearing it, or they tolerate in now > and then... does anyone here have a wife that is a equal or bigger fan of > KC than they are? it just seems to reinforce the unfortunate fact that > there are way more male fans than female fans. --and then later, asks-- > which brings up an interesting question.... how many ETers have >significant > others that share musical tastes? First off I should say, a good portion of the time you read these kinds of comments, it's me writing them, because it just tickles me in a perverse way how much my wife detests King Crimson. I've made several jokes about it. In her words, King Crimson's music "makes me want to go murder someone." The only other music she ever said that about was some live Talking Heads recorded circa '79-'80 (a slightly shrill recording from the Remain in Light tour-- arguably of a piece with Crim, shrill recording comment notwithstanding.) I would characterize my wife's and my musical tastes as being sort of like a Venn diagram. There is stuff I like that she doesn't (Crimson the most overt example; she actually wants to come see Yes at Radio City in August); stuff that she likes and I don't (TLC, Lauryn Hill; what's up with that?); and stuff we both like (Lou Reed, Ani DiFranco, Lucinda Williams, Van Morrison). Within the stuff I like, she has learned to appreciate some music that she would never have thought to listen to before (e.g., Todd Rundgren, Big Star; Pet Sounds and artists inspired by Pet Sounds; and one Allman Brothers concert a year.) In general, I like melody and improvisation; she likes words. Back to Crim-- I've seen them about 6 times since the 90's re-convening as double trio, and there are two airtight observations I can make about the crowds at every show (and you can debate the appeal of the music all you want, but you cannot debate my demographic observations). (1) The audience is vastly male-skewing. At the Town Hall show this past summer, I saw-- and I was looking around counting-- six women. To be fair, there may have been a lot of women who I didn't catch because they looked like guys. (Conversely, some of the six may actually have been men with breasts.) Seriously, I'm sure there were more than six, but I was counting, and that was all I saw. (2) The audience skews toward musicianship. The first time I saw the double trio, just based on the snippets of conversation I overheard, it seemed as if half the people at the show played an instrument. One of whom, for what it's worth and if I remember correctly, was Lenny Kravitz. Who, oddly enough, my wife also likes. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:47:10 +0000 From: "Andrew Thiermann" Subject: Re: Wives >>Jordan Clifford: "how many ETers have significant >>others that share musical tastes?" I don't know how it happend but my current girlfriend (we have been dating for close to a year) likes just about all of my music, with my three favorite bands (Crimson, Tool and anything with Mike Patton in it) being three bands/artists that she also enjoys. She likes even the most odd and esoteric of the about music, for me that's some of the projects and stuff off of ThraKAttacK as well as Fantomas (from the Patton side) I have never really agreed with the whole "men can like Crimson more than woman" argument. I think that anyone with an open mind can at least see where and how crimson is interesting and progressive (in the moving forward sense of the word) I have to say that some people are able to do that and some people aren't and it doesn't matter whether you are male OR female. I don't thing Crimson caters to a more masculine way of thinking or mentality. Maybe it's just me, but I think that getting into music such as Crimson or any boundary pushing group is not always easy and it takes a special type of person to want to get into that stuff, however that special type of person is NOT governed by gender, it's only governed by the will to explore and be open minded. But I am very interested to see what others think. Later and Much Respect. Andrew P.S. Just for the record we are both quite young (round early 20's(another so called Crimson loving Faux Pas) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:25:24 -0700 From: "David C." Subject: Femelle Crimsons & Favorite songs. If anyone recalls Bruford commenting on the lack of woman attending Crimson concerts, he pointed this out when he hosted VH1 New Visions show back in 1987. Tony was on the show as well and commented that Gabriel never experienced this problem. More often than not the husbands have to drag their wives along to see the King. I took my girlfriend to see King at the Irvine Meadows back in 1984 and she was taken back by "How interesting". I quote her word for word. Not quite the impact that would win her over as a fan. Why didn't King tour the entire H.O.R.D.E back in 96 which would have ultimately exposed them to a diversified educationally hungry crowd? They are not for everybody. Hard to book with anybody but a few chosen visionaries. In 1995 at the Wiltern my whole band went and only the guitarist brought his wife who was really into them. The majority of people in the first 10 rows were all guys with a few girlfriends and wives. Not exactly destined for the Rock and Roll Un Hall of Fame or a follow up to the Fab Four. At the Greek Theatre in 1996 I saw some people mesmerized, awed by the intensity while others were in denial. Even more so in the 2000's, this is still a musicians musician band. Maybe Heartbeat, One Time and Walking On Air would be great songs to break the ice. Not that they ever get any airplay. On the subject of songs here is my choice, those of which bridge the real bands from the posers from the 70's to present day. Pictures of A City Exiles; particularly the Rhode Island 06/30/74 version from the Great eceiver. Check out Wetton's melodic bass lines throughout and Fripp's ptly flawless lifting guitar solo before the 2nd verse. Discipline Neurotic; the version on Broadway New York Collectors edition is fierce. People; James Brown on Mars Dinosaur Definitive composition, crafty, superb & brilliantly arranged, ot to mention A+ performance. Larks Tongue IV essential prog song for the new millennium. olyrhythms galore ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:26:45 -0500 From: "Stick Man" Subject: Re: wives I am happy to report that my mizzus likes KC quite a bit(check out my gig review in Elephant Talk #687 http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/687-23.html). She says she can't listen to Crimson as background music because she has to concentrate while it is playing - is that great or what? Not only that, she is an excellent cook and participates in my spontaneous projects of the month. For example, I recently decided we are going to shoot off model rockets and she is picking out a kit to build. Stickman Jordan asked: <...SNIP...> does anyone here have a wife that is a equal or bigger fan of KC than they are? -- http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:11:24 -0400 From: dan buxbaum Subject: USA is (sort of) available For all those clamoring for a re-release of this album, here's some information: The 'raw' versions of the tracks that appear on USA (sans the overdubs, and minus Asbury Park) are available on disc one of The Great Deceiver boxset: The Providence, R.I., June 30, 1974 show. That's the show from where all of USA was taken from--other than Asbury Park, of course, which was recorded at the Asbury Park Casino, NJ, June 28, 1974. (And that track was available on disc 4 of the Frame By Frame boxset.) So, if you can live without the overdubs, the basically same tracks are available on The Great Deceiver. No how about some live material from the U.S. 1973 tour being released? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:52:57 -0400 From: Richard Heck Subject: Other Recent Gabriel Reissues Andrew dot Baxley at USPTO dot GOV wrote mentioning that the new Gabriel reissues on CD are expensive and have no bonus tracks, etc. I thought I'd take the opportunity to mention some other Gabriel reissues, on vinyl. Classic Records, http://www.classicrecords.com, is doing these, having just completed a series of reissues of Genesis albums, starting with /Nursery Cryme/ and running through /The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway/. The first Gabriel LP is due out this month. All of these are mastered from the original tapes (analog, where possible) and pressed on 180g of their new Quiex SV vinyl formulation, which sounds just wonderful. I've not yet done a direct comparison of these new pressings to the originals. I'll try to do that soon and report on it. The LP most worth hearing, in the end, oddly enough, may prove to be /Security/, which was recorded digitally and is, from a purely sonic point of view, a disaster, having all the flaws, in spades, of early digital. (I believe that /Plays Live/ also suffered that fate.) Hopefully, the mastering people will be able to apply some of what's been learned in the intervening years (upsample it to 192kHz, e.g.) to clean up the sound. Some such things may, indeed, have been done to the new CD, and that might well make it worth the extra dough. Richard Heck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:06:47 -0400 From: Mark Rehder Subject: Re: Bruford & Genesis Frank P Hi Eters! > > I know Bruford (along with Chester Thompson) is credited for playing drums > on Genisis' Three Sides Live - does anyone know which tracks he's actually > on? He is on the last two bits, an encore that consists of "IT" and instrumental parts of "Watcher" (mainly intro and outro). You can hear the band re-tuning, with a very noisy crowd in the background. They've obviously come back on stage, and Bill jams while waiting for Mike to settle in and begin his rhythm guitar riff. The interesting thing is that Watcher is in a different key than the original, to accommodate the this tune. Listening to Bill in this time period shows him to be playing quite on top of the beat, as opposed to his more laid-back feel with Yes and even Crimson. But he has publicly acknowledged that he grew bored with Genesis' music, and was rather fidgety and irritable while on tour. Perhaps he just wanted to get the whole thing over with! (These tunes are on the remastered CD, but may not have been on the original vinyl. Another treat on this CD is Fountain of Salmacis. Chester does a great job with Phil's old part, while Phil does a not-so-great job with Peter's old part! [grin]) But listen to Phil really kick Watcher into high gear with his morse code riff - he absolutely smokes! Bill probably just stood back and watched him fly (while adding percussive interludes). I play drums professionally, and have always admired how much heart and soul Phil would put into his music back then. I've always liked Bill too, and consider him to be one of my favourite musicians (esp. since Phil went smarmy), but for that time period, Phil's playing reached me a little deeper than Bill's did. Sorry to get a little off the point of the question! Cheers, Mark -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at once. Come and visit my Webpages at: http://home.istar.ca/~marker/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:21:27 +0000 From: "mike mclaughlin" Subject: Definitive Crim & Zoom Club Hi all. I just have to say something about Zoom Club... I love it, my favourite era of Crimson doing my favourite type of crimsongs (the improvs) and hearing early versions of what was to become a defining Crimson album and more besides (I swore at one stage during Zoom Zoom I heard moments of something a lot more recent than Fallen Angel). Some may disagree but to me this era was what King Crimson were invented for everything before was a prelude and afterwards it's just never quite been the same (TOAPP was the 80's SABB in my opinion but otherwise they never got back to where they were in '72-'74). After a spate of nothing I could really get my teeth into (still not keen on recent Crim.) I have finally gotten back into Crim (the wilderness months took their toll). Definitive Crim... hmmm that's a tricky one although I've seen some good suggestions (LTIA part 2 and Epitaph) I would veer more in the direction of Trio simply because it's not what you expect and that's always been what Crimson have meant to me (and it's entirely improvised) if I think of anything better when I've more time I'll post it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:21:47 -0700 From: "Mark Tucker" Subject: Sinning Against Sinfield Re:"lawrence moseley" & Peter Sinfield / PFM >Can anyone enlighten me on some lyrical writing and nature please? I do not >have the Photo's Of Ghosts album from PFM. This is one of two (?) that Pete >Sinfield translated PFM lyrics. Apparently PFM were not too happy with the >translation as Mr Sinfield did not agree with the political nature of the >lyrics so he, apparently, re- wrote them. What is the nature of the >original PFM lyrics? What is the nature of the Pete Sinfield translation? Larry: I can only help you with the Photos of Ghosts LP: I checked the lyrics of the US jacket against the poetry shown in my copy of Sinfield's "Under the Sky" book (it's a first edition, so it's possible, but not likely, that revisions occurred in later editions, if there WERE any later editions) and they are exactly the same, except for "Il Banchetto", which is in Italian and in which Sinfield had no part, thus it's not carried in his book. The World Became The World came out after publication of "Under The Sky" and, thus, contains none of those lyrics. Can't help you there. Perhaps someone else can. Also, you may want to check your source about "translations": the LP credits show Sinfield as the writer of the pertinant songs, not the translator (I'm quite sure a mere translator would not get writing credits, which allow receipt of mechanical rights and royalties). Somewhere, someone jumbled something up on you. -marc- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:34:49 +0100 From: Mr Tea Subject: Definitive Crim Dang. I can't resist. In the end it comes down to two instrumental tracks for me: 'A Sailor's Tale' and 'Fracture' (original album versions). I wish there was something less than a quarter of a century old to add to that brief list. Maybe on the next album... Mr Tea -- Brew of the day: Orange Pekoe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:36:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Teofilus Kierto Subject: KC wives Lucky me, my wife does like KC! I don't know which one of us is the bigger fan and I haven't felt the need to argue about that. And before anyone asks, yes, I believe she's into KC voluntarily - she knew the band before she knew me. She was (and still is) a huge fan of USA and is (just like I am) eagerly waiting for it to finally appear on CD. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #987 ********************************