Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #984 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 984 Friday, 7 June 2002 Today's Topics: NEWS: Intro to Guitar Craft, Lebanon NJ, Sept. 21-27 Peter Gabriel - Fripp Heavenly Earthbound Re: Zoom Club released ever going to actually get released? Chain Lightning Tony Levin Interview Re: Peter Gabriel II PG II 'Definitive' Re: The Doves definitive KC song Re: Fripp & Frith TriFri New Tenth Planet CD Definitive track ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 21:23:16 +0000 From: "Sarah Metivier" Subject: NEWS: Intro to Guitar Craft, Lebanon NJ, Sept. 21-27 The following is from Curt Golden, Director of Guitar Craft in North America: Guitar Craft is on the move. Exciting things are happening, and you're invited to experience them. New this year is a series of introductory workshops. These full-length residential seminars will present the basics of Guitar Craft, and are conducted by authorized Guitar Craft Instructors and Mentors with many years experience. They are open to anyone who wishes to attend. No prior experience is required. These courses are ideal for those wishing to make a beginning in Guitar Craft, as well as anyone with prior experience who feels the need to begin again. The courses will cover all of the prerequisite skills required for further study in Guitar Craft, and completion will be required of anyone who wishes to go on to work with Robert Fripp at a Level One Guitar Craft Course. Two Introduction to Guitar Craft Courses are currently on the calendar. An Introduction to Guitar Craft: Alfeld, Germany. July 6-12. Information and application: registrar-europe at guitarcraft dot com Lebanon, NJ. September 21-27. Information and application: registrar-northamerica at guitarcraft dot com or registrar at njcircle dot com Space is limited for both of these courses. Full course descriptions and the latest updates can be found on the Guitar Craft Calendar. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:38:57 -0400 From: "Robert Bennett" Subject: Peter Gabriel - Fripp As I understand it, Fripp refused or requested that he not be credited with playing guitar because he was not happy with his guitar playing on the LP. I believe I read this in a biography on Gabriel (I'll check the book again to see if my memory is correct). Also, on Gabriel's first solo tour, Fripp played guitar, but was credited as Dusty Roads because he didn't want to steal any attention from Gabriel (and again because he wasn't satisfied with his guitar playing or the guitar parts he had to play). On that tour he also played in the back behind his amp - so the audience could bearly see him. Fripp, as we know, is a very interesting guy. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:45:46 -0700 From: "Mark Tucker" Subject: Heavenly Earthbound Re: the Earthbound / USA debate: I think the problem with, first, "Earthbound" is in its hybrid nature. There is a realm of prog that is rabidly "prog only, no jazz please", then there's a section of "I'll take anything vaguely prog, thank you very much", and of course there's the (*shudder!*) "wow, look at all this neat-o neoprog stuff!" contingency. I think the dislike for Earthbound emanates from the first group. Earthbound is a fantastic document of a group gigging their brains in a rough and fervant mood and mode. I greatly regret that THIS FRIPP (*LOL!*") didn't continue those marvelous explorations. He, and they, would have veered into Soft Machine territory, greatly to a good many fans' pleasure. As it is, though, it has a lot of the jazz elements: hot, sweaty, funky, reaching for new territory, blowing straight out from the heart and mind. It is, admittedly, an acquired taste and one for more sophisticated palettes (a bit more erudite than, say, a Vaseline-drinking ET'er or two who occasionally erupt in with a beer-swozzled eructation or two) but still loaded with merit. It's very roughness, in the recording, adds to the gritty feel of the whole event, and Fripp's shattering solo at the close, though regrettably brief, is just devastating, one of the most intense short quotations I've ever heard. I'm not intending to convert listeners so catholicly against the LP, but would hope that those who haven't yet listened to it will do so despite this almost rabid anti- sentiment. As for "USA", I think much the same syndrome is in effect, that of wanting a non-stop cavalcade of ITCOTCK. Like "Earthbound", it's a rough-ish document, which I suspect forms most of Fripp's seeming (or actual?) disdain for it, but it's still a marvelous piece of Crimsoniana. It's REAL deficit is that it should have been a double-LP, which would have much better showcased the group's incarnation. I find this odd dislike of USA puzzling. It seems to me that there can be no question of "mediocre" Crimson until "Three Of A Perfect Pair", but, to eachtheir, I guess. -marc- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:00:23 +0200 From: "Roger Corvers" Subject: Re: Zoom Club released ever going to actually get released? In ET #982 Nik wrote: >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:33:51 -0400 >From: "Nik Smith" >Subject: Zoom Club released ever going to actually get released? >What's the hold up? I've been checking the DGM site everyday for the past >month or so and all it EVER says is the Opt. Out date (which is long >overdue). Does anyone know when they will be releasing this? Well, today, June 1st, CLUB #20 HAS FINALLY BEEN RELEASED and I ordered at once (plus The Repercussions Of Angelic Behavior - Bill Rieflin/Robert Fripp/Trey Gunn). But if you check everyday as you say, you'll probably have noticed allready. I subscribed to DGM's mailinglist and today I got this mail telling me about club #20 is now available on line for purchase: ''Dear Friends, DGM is pleased to announce that Club #20, King Crimson, Live at the Zoom Club, 1972, is now available on line for purchase. Please visit our online shop at www.disciplineglobalmobile.com to place an order''. >From the 13th October, 1972 performance at the Zoom Club in Frankfurt, Germany. The debut live performance by the "Larks' Tongues in Aspic" lineup of King Crimson. "Musically the most interesting Club release to date" - David Singleton Tracks: Disc 1 1. Larks' Tongues in Aspic (Part I) 2. Book Of Saturday 3. Zoom 4. Improv: Zoom Zoom Disc 2 1. Easy Money 2. Improv: Fallen Angel 3. Improv: Z'Zoom 4. Exiles 5. The Talking Drum 6. Larks' Tongues in Aspic (Part II) David Cross - Violin, Flute, Mellotron Robert Fripp - Guitar, Mellotron John Wetton - Bass Guitar, Vocals Bill Bruford - Drums Jamie Muir - Percussion and Allsorts I say: subscribe to DGM mailinglist and be notified on future releases ! I think this is a great concert, great tracks, great line-up and I'll be looking forward to it despite the less sound quality ! Greetings, Roger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:18:55 -0400 From: "Ling & Emory" Subject: Chain Lightning Fox Mulder wrote... >When I saw Tool last September, there was quite a bit of theatrics. >They had awesome visuals not only on a big screen, but also on a smaller >screen that Manyard was singing in front of. > >Also during one point of the show there were two very flexible acrobats >hanging above the stage contorting into all kinds of weird shapes. Sure >the band stayed pretty motionless during their performance, but it was >still a wild show. In a way, this took the pressure off the musicians from having to perform the theatrics themselves. It's funny, though, but until you mentioned those acrobats and videos, I had all but forgotten about them. And though I can appreciate those who like to see their performers stoked about what's going on, and I guess I do too, I sometimes feel put off if a player is looking like he's drumming up excitement by acting funny. I kind of feel like someone's trying to bullshit or manipulate me, and that's not what I go to concerts for. When something special is happening in a performance, you can FEEL it..you just know it somehow. Everything gets kind of shiny and sparkly, colors turn pastel shades, and you feel intimately touched, but you also know everyone feels it too. Visual confirmation by the artist in that case is nice, but not always necessary, and even sometimes detrimental to the whole Pleroma (a gold star for anyone who knows where I got that word from!!!). If I want someone who will prance around and whip me into a frenzy, I'll attend a Mussolini rally, thank you very much. -Emory ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:15:56 -0400 From: "New World Buzz" Subject: Tony Levin Interview Legendary bassist Tony Levin talks to Martin Curti of New World Buzz about his new album Pieces Of The Sun, his work with King Crimson, and touring with Peter Gabriel. http://www.newworldbuzz.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 06:17:22 -0500 From: Lee Gray Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel II > From: "Eric Heinitz" > > the liner notes to PG II (also known as Scratch) are a real > head scratcher. Fripp is credited as Producer but is not listed as > musician. (I am citing from the Limited Edition numbered digipack.) I had bought the jewel case version and found the same thing. I dug out my vinyl and Fripp is indeed credited properly. All the musicians are listed in the same order on the CD and vinyl, and Fripp's credits are simply missing on the new CD. I too was baffled! (I was also disappointed that they didn't reproduce the inner sleeve detail in any way!) Lee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:01:45 -0500 From: "Marc Gonzalez" Subject: PG II ET-ers, after reading about Fripp not being listed as a contributor to PG II I pulled out my vinyl copy. I show he is listed as playing electric and acoustic guitars and Frippertronics. Something else I noticed: each of the musicians has a small photo next to a list of icons for the instruments they played on the lyric sheet; everyone but Fripp. Where his picture should be is a black square. I know Fripp usually shuns the limelight but...................... Marc Gonzalez IS Customer Service Ochsner Foundation Clinic 504.842.7881 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: rone at ennui dot org (figmentality) Subject: 'Definitive' > Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 12:10:18 +0930 > From: "william garton" > > So without posting an e-mail about how the great KC cannot be reduced to one > song, seriously if you had to chose your most 'definitive' KC track, that > which most represents KC to you, what would it be? LTIA, Part One. rone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Samuelian Subject: Re: The Doves > Has anyone heard the Doves reworking of Moonchild > entitled M62 song (it was > recorded under a flyover). Its on their latest > album 'The Last Broadcast' > which is an early contender for album of the year. Yes, I *just* heard it now for the first (and second!) time. (It came out in the US yesterday). A great moment of thinking "wait a minute...I know this song..." when M62 Song began... What am amazing album. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 11:50:27 -0700 From: Ralph Foster Subject: definitive KC song Will: >Nonetheless it made me think >of what I would see as my 'definitive' KC song. I think it is most likely >Epitaph. I am genuinely interested in what others would think. So without >posting an e-mail about how the great KC cannot be reduced to one song, >seriously if you had to chose your most 'definitive' KC track, that which >most represents KC to you, what would it be? Any live version of Talking Drum/Larks Tongues in Aspic Part II. (It seems like one song to me.) -- Ralph Foster Applied Physics Laboratory 1013 NE 40th St.; Seattle, WA; 98105-6698 ralph at apl dot washington dot edu; voice: (206) 685-5201; fax: (206) 543-6785 Alt: Box 355640, University of Washington; Seattle, WA, 98195-5640 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:04:37 EDT From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Subject: Re: Fripp & Frith Daryll quoted Chris Cutler: >But that was their way-after all Fripp claimed to have >invented 'frippertronics', which is either a mark of ignorance on his part >or outrageous arrogance, since every guitarist 'invented' that obvious >procedure. This is such a bizarre comment that I have to wonder if Cutler was actually aware of what Frippertronics were. Is "every" guitarist in possession of two reel-to-reel tape recorders? And does every guitarist so equipped inevitably hit on the idea of creating a feedback loop by combining the two machines? For that matter, Fripp never "claimed to have invented" the process; he always acknowledged that Brian Eno showed it to him. He simply gave his own use of the technique an obviously tongue-in-cheek personal name. Your pal, Biffy the Elephant Shrew http://members.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 04:48:45 +1000 From: "Keenan, Owen" Subject: TriFri Darryl recently posted about Fred Frith... > I recently read an interview with Henry Cow drummer Chris Culter who said > some rather unpleasant things about KC. That got me thinking about how > similar Fripp and Cow guitarist Fred Frith are sometimes in their > playing. Not only that but: a) They're both English, b) They are both > roughly the same age, c) Their surnames are 5-letters long and both begin > with "Fri-" I've always thought that Fripp and Frith should get together with (Bill?) Frisell to make an improvised guitar album called "TriFri." ... well *I* find that amusing! O! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:21:42 -0400 From: charles dot jowett at philips dot com Subject: New Tenth Planet CD About a year ago, or so, I posted offering free copies of my 10th planet CD. I received many requests and some excellent feedback from members of this list. Last autumn I completed another CD. Unfortunately, due to increased popularity, I am no longer offering CD's free of charge. I am now selling my CD's on the honour system, for the nominal price of USD 3.00. Also, all tracks are available for free MP3 downloads. Please visit my website for additional information. Charles http://members.tripod.com/~the10planet the10planet at yahoo dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 12:42:02 -0700 From: "Moshier, John T" Subject: Definitive track Will Garton asked for input on the "definitive track." My knee-jerk response is Talking Drum/Larks' II. It was performed by every version of the band from the Wetton era through the Double Trio and is stylistically very similar to much of what the band is doing today (no surprise as the current band comprises 4/6th of the Double Trio). More satisfying than Schizoid, less dated than Epitaph (sorry Will), included in the latest Collector's Club release (no. 20), TD/Lark's II may be the single most representative example of the essence of Crim. Just my $.02.......... John Moshier. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #984 ********************************