Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #980 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 980 Friday, 24 May 2002 Today's Topics: The Sheltering Sky at Berkeley; thanks Stok; USA Re: Tool In Concert 1969 live Re: Brian May Deception of the Thrush KC san diego 2001/sheltering berzerkeley sky Hi Everyone Earthworks Level Five UK 'Help' Label One Thousand Years Night Watch vs. SaBB; 1000 Years Later with Jools Holland Ah, .... the Concertgebouw concert! Level Five "Deception"; Discipline Remaster Cover Re: Cover art for 'Discipline' remaster ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:21:55 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: The Sheltering Sky at Berkeley; thanks Stok; USA >> I was looking at some setlists from 1995 and 96 and noticed that the band played Waiting Man and The Sheltering Sky at a number of shows. I'm thinking how cool that must have been, but I also wonder why those songs aren't on any compilations or anything out there. How were the double trio's versions of these songs? >The Sheltering Sky performed at the Greek Theater in Berkeley was one of the most sublime and transformative musical experiences of my entire life. I was there too David and I can vouch for that. That was a very memorable version of it. Fripp took that one outside, and gave it a good shake. Thanks for reminding me of that. > Issue Article 158 9 284 1 287 13 294 30 304 22 504 1 593 1 632 1 802 10 Stok, you rock. I look forward to a re-grooved USA - there are moments on that record that will live forever, and I look forward to the sound of it after Fripp and Singleton have had an opportunity to bring its sound quality into the 21st century. The start of Asbury Park is amazing. The pull-down of the faders on the Easy Money guitar solo is cruel, and unusual. I submit that perhaps USA means more to the people who bought it when it first came out on vinyl, but I also submit that it would sound great between a couple of Tool sides. - S. np: Neil Haverstick, "Thunderbird" scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:35:40 -0400 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: Tool In Concert >1) No friggin theatrics...no "big hair", no explosion machine, no poses. (Well, I should qualify that...the lead singer was wearing nothing but >underwear, but he was on a platform in the back, and I actually came to believe that he was most comfortable like that). The bassist, guitarist, >and drummer were all about the music: little movement, and clearly focused on their playing. That kind of thing can go either way for me. With KC i like couldnt care less if they dont move around, however when i see them all smiling gleefully (aside from robert of course :P ) and adrian jumping around from time to time make me really excited. But with most bands I expect some kind of stage show. Its a part of performing, i think. For instance, Weezer used to be one of my favorite bands, then i finally saw them live when their disgraceful third album came out and all they did was stand there. their music isnt complex enough to have to concerntrate on it, and it was as if they were completely apathetic to the music and the crowd- not enjoying it at all or anything. it was very disapointing and i really hate when bands are like that. I want musicians to be passionate about their music and to go nuts on stage, and especially if their songs really rock... maybe its just me because i know if i could play music well and was in a band i would put everything into my shows... no limits: high energy, costumes or make up if i feel like it at the time,pyrotechnics, lights, crazy solos and intense playing, interaction between band members, interaction with the audiance, long set lists,etc etc. and whatever stage show i think would be fun. bands that just stand their and play are boring.. i know that sounds really ignorant to a lot of people.. but a band like tool is an exception because i know from my friends taht their shows are very intense, and their music is so intense and good, and the singer does perform.. and other bands are exceptions too. i guess it depends on the band and the music they are playing. the point is: i like to see passion for music expressed on stage. whether it comes out in intense, emotion and focused playing or crazy on stage antics. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:44:49 -0400 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: 1969 live >Yes, I love 1969 KC and I bought the 4 vol Epitaph box from DGM quite a while >back. Unfortunately I wasn't extremely impressed with the sound quality >(well, mainly vols 3 & 4) and honestly didn't expect much from other issues >from that era just because of the times. I agree that the sound quality is not very good and it doesnt make me want to listen to it that much. Im afraid thats what some of the KCCC releases will be like. When something is put in a box set like that you expect a professional packaging from the band itself to be professional quality. At least I do.. it seems they didnt have any profesional quality tapes of live perfomances from then so ill take what i can get. >Mainly though, it seems the bands >other than the Larks'/Starless/Red and 90's/recent incarnations just didn't >do enough *different* stuff on stage. I now have and enjoy live samples from >each era, but if they're "merely" great performances, but not *substantially* >different, I don't feel the urge to buy lots of other live releases by them. first, what aare you saying, that 1969 did do different things? i havent heard ALL the live material from any one incarnation of the band, but for each era the sets are all very similar.. to a point where it really does start to annoy me , because after buying 4 KCCC releases 3 of which being from the Larks-Red band im not sure now if i should spend another large sum of money on The Great Deciever.. i have it on tape.. but its just the improvs and everything, its really great. But its true, the sets dont differ that much, each band, especially the 73-74 band didnt have much material to work with. Since they didnt play much of the previous incarnations work, they dont have all that much to go from. but it is disapointing sometimes. HOWEVER, i find new things in every version of every song i hear live. at least from the 70s. i think its all worth it. not so much from the 80s, but im still willing to hear them all. im sure ill end up buying the great deciever one of these days.. and several other club releases.. i dont know what it is about KC live that makes me keep coming back despite their lack of variety. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:28:19 -0400 From: Steve Rewa Subject: Re: Brian May To Alex Lorias: I don't have any inceite into Cyborg or anything, but I was wondering if you were talking about the Brian May of Queen and I was kinda wondering what he's been up to. Is his stuff any good? -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Jimmy Bob Subject: Deception of the Thrush Hi. I was just wondering if anybody knows what is being said by Trey's "talker" on The Deception of the Thrush. It's a question that's been gnawing at me for a while. I can make out some of it (i.e. "Come into the shadow" and "The spring rain/Winter kept us warm"), but most of the lines escape me. Thank you. -jimmybobLW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:02:32 +0000 From: "Spear man" Subject: KC san diego 2001/sheltering berzerkeley sky >The incident in San Diego on the 2001 tour was witnessed by a >friend of mine. Some young woman stood up and yelled out "you suck" during >King Crimson's set. hmm wonder if this was during 'thela hun ginjeet'.....(see 'primus sucks') >My all-time favorite performance of that piece had long been the 1982 >show at the same venue -- how thrilled was I to see it released as a >KCCC! Now if the KCCC would release the Berkeley 1984 set, I'd truly be sate. Another incredible Sheltering Sky and terrific show..... --spearman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:01:24 +0000 From: "christie byun" Subject: Hi Everyone After a too long hiatus from Crimson, I just visited ET, and now I'm about to pass out from music related Stendhal syndrome. Remasters, a new concert DVD, and the DGM Collectors Club releases now available to anyone?!? My cup runneth over! I'm glad to be back, and I look forward to reading your posts. Christie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:30:09 -0400 From: "Suzanne DeCory" Subject: Earthworks I had the lucky chance to catch Bill Bruford with Earthworks last weekend. It was just fantastic! There's a few more dates here in the states for anyone who may have opportunity and intent to go, I'd highly reccomend it if possible. I was just blown away............ May 22 Rosebud Cafe, Pittsburgh, PA May 23 Magic Bag, Ferndale, Detroit, MI May 25 Shank Hall, Miwaukee, WI May 26 Martyr's, Chicago, Ill Then he's off to London after this I believe.. but you can check on his web site for that: http://www.billbruford.com He was incredibly warm and funny with everyone. It was also his birthday :) I got to meet him briefly after the gig and take a picture with him. How cool is he for doing that? An unbelievable man and presence....... Suzanne A Toltec is an artist of Love, an artist of the Spirit, someone who is creating every moment, every second, the most beautiful art - the Art of Dreaming. Life is nothing but a dream, and if we are artists, then we can create our life with Love, and our dream becomes a masterpiece of art. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:06:18 EDT From: FOURSTOTTIES at aol dot com Subject: Level Five I am greatly anticipating for my Level Five to arrive in the post. Is it worth the wait and money?. And is Projekct 2 (space groove) and Projekct X (heaven and earth) worth getting as I already have the projects box set. Cheers Rob Stott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:43:49 +0100 From: "Mike Dennis" Subject: UK 'Help' Label I too have fond memories of the Help label for similar reasons - they were cheap and some very good stuff was released. In addition to those mentioned Stomu Yamashta's 'On the Edge' (I'm not sure of the title, but he is a Japanese percussionist). I have never quite understood the hostility towards 'Earthbound', yes the quality is not to studio level but there is some terrific stuff on it - Sailors Tale in particular. Is there any chance it will make it to CD on general release? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT) From: rone at ennui dot org (figmentality) Subject: One Thousand Years > From: "Bill Sallak" > anyone know where to get a copy of trey's solo release "one thousand years"? > DGM has been sold out for some time, and needless to say my local record > shops don't have it. thanks for any help forthcoming. all the best. Why, you can buy it straight off Trey's Web site! :) http://www.treygunn.com/contact/onlinestore.html I also purchased the Virtual Tour and it's been worth every penny. rone ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:08:48 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Night Watch vs. SaBB; 1000 Years >"Lament - Live at Concertgebouw, Amsterdam, Holland, November 23rd, 1973" - on one CD this sounds like an amazing cd. It is. Many of us know it as The Night Watch. >i just got the Sid Smith book and after flipping through it he mentions this very often as the concert that was the beginings to many of the songs on Starless and Bibleblack... making me VERY VERY Interested in hearing this. is this the same concert he is talking about?? Yes. And it is great fun to compare The Night Watch with Starless and Bible Black. >anyone know where to get a copy of trey's solo release "one thousand years"? DGM has been sold out for some time, and needless to say my local record shops don't have it. thanks for any help forthcoming. all the best. Give www.firstworldmusic.com a try. - S. np: XTC, Dear God EP scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:01:02 +0100 From: "shaun kemp" Subject: Later with Jools Holland Hi, It would be great to see KC on UK TV ! To request that 'Later' asks them to appear on the next series (october)- go to www.bbc.co.uk/later/ where you will find the 'contact us' section, or simply e mail later at bbc dot co dot uk fingers crossed! spiderkemp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:22:11 +0200 From: "Kees van Dongen" Subject: Ah, .... the Concertgebouw concert! Hi all, Back in 1973 I was 17 years old and not yet into Robert Fripp. I remember walking through Amsterdam at the time and seeing these familiar 70'ies posters whenever a band was about to play. It mentioned King Crimson. I also remember to stand in front of it, hesitating, but walked on and forgot all about it. Not long after a friend of mine brought with him his copy of LTIA. This was the start of my musical "affair" with Fripp. It was only then that I realised what I had missed, what a bummer. Later I visited every performance Fripp did in the Netherlands (KC, LOG) which were thrilling to be part of. I remember LOG in De Melkweg where I stood only a couple feet away from Fripp. He was sitting on one of those high bar stools modestly tucked away at the side of the stage, pushing the band. In LOG his solo playing was almost not present. He gave one solo and, to be honust, it scared the hell out of me. I was unaware that a single person (Fripp) was able to so effectively drill a hole into some sort of hidden dark force. It was as if he was in contact with an energy that also made him suffer. The solo lasted roughly 10 to 20 seconds but I cherish that moment because I think I was allowed to see the real Fripp. To see the energy behind it that is. Still I have this sore spot to have missed the "real" KC back in '73. Regards, Kees ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:56:43 -0400 From: "Ryan Tassone" Subject: Level Five "Deception"; Discipline Remaster Cover Hello hello. 1. There was a question on May 21st about the speaking voice at the beginning of "Deception of the Thrush" from the Level Five EP. This was purported by many to be a sample of T.S. Eliot's voice, whose poem "Burnt Norton" supplies the title in one of its lines. The disembodied voice is apparently reading "The Wasteland," which I have never read, and don't have a copy of. But on the Level Five version, here's what I hear: I could not speak And my eyes, they looked (0:32) And here is the one-eyed man And he carries on his back Which I am forbidden to see (1:23) I see clouds of people...of people...of people...(1:38) [something something] his eyes...his eyes...his eyes...(1:50) Why am I writing this? Get a copy of T.S. Eliot's "The Wasteland" and check for similarities. But--does anybody know if that's actually the poet's recorded voice? 2. Discipline's original album cover featured a work initially considered to be a folk symbol, like a cross, which would therefore be public domain, not applicable to copyright laws. Turns out, it was somebody's artwork, and EG had to give the artist royalties for his picture's appearance on the album sleeve. So, when the opportunity for remaster came around, they just swapped it for the very similar DGM logo. Now, as for the jet black version on the booklet cover...I'm pretty sure that was a printing error. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:36:41 -0400 From: Josh Emery Subject: Re: Cover art for 'Discipline' remaster > > >Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:51:48 -0400 >From: Bill Jones >Subject: Cover art for 'Discipline' remaster > >Hey, has anyone else noticed that the new 30th anniversary reissue of >'Discipline' has been branded with the "other" Celtic knot design on its >cover? I'm talking about the one that serves as the DGM logo, not the one >that originally appeared on the cover of the album. > >Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on? > >So much for the "miniature gatefold replica concept" in this case... > When Fripp choose the original knot design he thought it was an old knot that would be in the public domain. He didn't know that it had been designed by someone at the Bennett school at which Fripp was at (I can't remember the name of the place) and this person owned the copyright. When Fripp found out he had used copyrighted material without permission he gave the guy a sum of money and promised to stop using it. He then started using the current DGM logo designed by Steve Ball. It took a long time to get the cover of Discipline corrected. Josh ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #980 ********************************