Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #979 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 979 Thursday, 23 May 2002 Today's Topics: Godber & Cocteau Summit larks, tapes running out. Better Tour fit for KC KC in video Help Label - Budget delights russia trades- live at concertgebouw KC on TV, UK! TG article in Bass Player one thousand years Re: KC & HP Lovecraft League of Crafties Club CDs - hi or lo fi Cover art for 'Discipline' remaster ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 03:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Akilles Juntunen Subject: Godber & Cocteau Barry Godber's famous "schizoid man" painting may well be a self portrait, but there are, nevertheless, some striking similarities with Jean Cocteau's drawing "Through the mouth of his wound", which could almost be an early sketch for the beloved album cover. (Just a thought.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:23:31 +0100 (BST) From: Kevin Marriott Subject: Summit larks, tapes running out. >during The Creator Has A Master Plan, at the height >of fripps awesome solo ,he sounds like he is going >somewhere, at exactly 13:14 it cuts and jumps foward >in the song almost like a >needle >coming off a record and then it sounds like its >winding down very quickly.. I assumed it was just where a tape ran out, although that doesn't exactly explain the speed fluctuation. Funny, though how it happened while fripp was playing with the LTIA theme at the time. Perhaps there's something we are not supposed to hear :-) >i just finished my Live in Mainz cd... at the end of >a great Easy Money they go into Fracture.. but the cd >just cuts it off. what the hell happened to Fracture? >is my cd defected or something? I think that using all of what's available (where it fits) is in the spirit of the Club, and I suppose this is all they have of this show. ===== -- Kev "These go to 11" - Nigel Tufnel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:53:56 -0500 From: "Brothers, Michael (IA)" Subject: Better Tour fit for KC I know there has been some wailing on list about the possibility of KC going on another short tour with Tool, so I'd like to suggest to the boys that perhaps they heed that wailing, and seek out a spot on the upcoming Rush tour. Has anyone else heard 'Vapor Trails' yet? This album flat out rocks from the opening drum salvo to the final clarion chord. A tour with Rush would bring KC smaller audiences, yes, but older ones who would appreciate KC much more than most (note I said 'most' before getting pissed at me) Tool fans. It seems to me a much better fit. Take Care, mike Michael S. Brothers Deputy Design Chief, Iowa CFMO 515-252-4489 fax 525-252-4589 [funny quote deleted] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:47:33 +0100 From: David Vella [mailto:dvella at skidmore dot edu] Subject: KC in video Robert in #977 writes: I'm in preproduction on a student film. We're going to be shooting in June and July of this summer for an October presentation. The film (being shot on Super 8mm) is based on H.P. Lovecraft's "Haunter of the Dark." This sounds interesting - but seeing as I love both Lovecraft and Crimson, how could it miss? I had planned to use music from Crimson under a scene where the protagonist is walking around San Francisco (the short story is set in Providence, RI, near where I used to live, actually, but in my retelling it's set here) looking for a church he's obsessing over that he can see from his window. I've considered using "Requiem" or "Nuages" or "Industry" as the music, but I thought it would be interesting to see if anyone had any other suggestions. I have 2 suggestions: 1) Ask Robert Fripp for permission, even though it is not for commercial purposes; 2) Why not use the improv "Providence" from Red? Not only is it eerie enough for a HP Lovecraft story, but as Providence, RI was Lovecraft's home town, it would make an interesting musical pun for those viewers who would recognize the piece. I'm trying to use the music to develop a feeling of movement, but also to suggest an uneasy or discordant feeling underlying the images of a man seen walking up hills from a medium distance. I'm also trying to imply a sense of melancholy, really, as he goes about his obsession in the midst of the world, but out of touch with it. Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions I'd love to hear them. Maybe if anyone wants to see the finished product, VCDs of it (it will be a 15-minute-ish short) can be traded around. Put me on your list! Thanks, David Vella dvella at skidmore dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 09:53:56 -0500 From: Mr Tea [mailto:mrtea at mac dot com] Subject: Help Label - Budget delights This from Elephant Talk - dated 20/5/02 07.37 am: Also, when it was released, in the UK at least, [Earthbound] was [on] t= he budget price 'Help' imprint so it was very welcome to a cash strapped school kid like me. I think it was #1.49 ($2.00) in 1970s money. [ Yep, it was -- I remember the "Help" label with affection -- Toby ] Ah yes. Island Records budget imprint. Other releases included "Mainstrea= m", by Phil Manzanera's Quiet Sun (a significant contribution to the early '7= 0s EG canon), "Aiye Keta" (Steve Winwood's African adventure), a slew of sol= o projects from members of the Folk axis centred around Fairport Convention (eg, Morris On, The Albion Band), a sprinkling of undiluted Salsa, and an experimental collaboration between a prog guitarist and a glam-rock knob-twiddler ("No Pussyfooting"). The US equivalent was the 'Antilles' label (subsequently recycled as a Jazz imprint by Island UK) which brought the periphery of Island's UK roster into US record shops. And alongside treasures from Nick Drake, White Noise, and Grimms, there were indigenous delights from artists like Allen Fotentot, Harry Warren and Mississippi Fred McDowell, and early solo work by Mike Oldfield/Jade Warrior/Natasha producer Tom Newman, who has subsequently made a bit of a name for himself scoring films. Those were the days when Island was the best damn record company in the whole world (and also the days when =A31.49p was worth more like $4.00). Roll back the years, won't somebody please (but let me keep my CDs). Mr Tea -- Brew of the day: Royal Blend ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:52:30 -0400 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: russia trades- live at concertgebouw "Lament - Live at Concertgebouw, Amsterdam, Holland, November 23rd, 1973" - on one CD this sounds like an amazing cd. i just got the Sid Smith book and after flipping through it he mentions this very often as the concert that was the beginings to many of the songs on Starless and Bibleblack... making me VERY VERY Interested in hearing this. is this the same concert he is talking about?? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:15:23 +0100 From: "jeremy.rowden" Subject: KC on TV, UK! I'd just like to agree with Lawrence Moseley regarding Krim doing something like a TV showcase. Jools Holland's U.K. late night music show "Later" is the perfect vehicle for K.C. to widen it's audience, blow away some of the doubters and bring back some of those who have lapsed (for shame!). The bands that appear (usually) get two 5 or 6 minute numbers each completly live in the studio. This has got to be an option, and I for one would love to see it. Is it usual for bands to approach or be approached? Surely there must be someone at the BBC who could be contacted with the suggestion. Any thoughts, please post. Maybe, once a contact has been established, a few well-aimed e-mails could be unleashed to show a depth of feeling. I wonder if the Collective Krims would be agreeable to such a venture anyway. Interesting. Cheers, Jez. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:30:01 -0400 From: "Matthew E. Thallmayer" Subject: TG article in Bass Player The June issue of Bass Player has a one page article on Trey Gunn (page 12). There is a photo of Trey with a 10-string Warr. Here's an excerpt: "Trey's signature series includes 8-, 10-, 11-, and 12-string models. He currently owns six Warrs: 8-, 10-, and 12-string padauk neck-throughs; an 8-string bolt-on made of ash, wenge, and bubinga; a 12-string, neck-through prototype; and a 10-string maple bolt-on that's MIDI compatible. All except the 8-string have separate bass and guitar outputs. Trey sends each to Line 6 Bass and Guitar PODs. All models feature tilted headstocks, Bartolini pickups, graphite-reinforced necks, and fade controls between the Bartolini and RMC piezo-to-MIDI pickups." -- Mathias ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:13:54 -0400 From: "Bill Sallak" Subject: one thousand years hey all, just signed up to get ET-- love KC, love the news, love it all. finished fawning. anyone know where to get a copy of trey's solo release "one thousand years"? DGM has been sold out for some time, and needless to say my local record shops don't have it. thanks for any help forthcoming. all the best. bill sallak ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 02:17:07 -0500 From: Craig Subject: Re: KC & HP Lovecraft >I'm in preproduction on a student film. We're going to be shooting in June >and July of this summer for an October presentation. The film (being shot >on Super 8mm) is based on H.P. Lovecraft's "Haunter of the Dark." I had >planned to use music from Crimson under a scene where the protagonist is >walking around San Francisco (the short story is set in Providence, RI, >I've considered using "Requiem" or "Nuages" or "Industry" as the music, but >I thought it would be interesting to see if anyone had any other >suggestions. Why, "Providence", obviously. 8^) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:23:28 +1000 From: "Keenan, Owen" Subject: League of Crafties I'm hoping someone could e-mail me a list of all the members of TheLeagueOfCraftyGuitarists as featured on all the official recordings (featuring RF). I'm hoping to get *all* the names (including those that played on the Toyah/Fripp LP and the RFStringQuintet CD) to add to a list I'm compiling of RF collaborators. Contact me by private e-mail please (I don't want ET to be clogged with lists of repeated names). Cheers, O! P.S. If anyone would like to see the list as it is now they can feel free to ask me to forward it to them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:42:45 +0200 From: Stephen Gadd Subject: Club CDs - hi or lo fi Dear All, Certain recent posters have been commenting unfavourably on the possible editing/shortness/bad sound quality of Club CDs. As Mr. Fripp has stated several times, the idea of the KCCC is to make available material which otherwise would not appear except as illegal bootlegs. This material comes from a variety of sources and is as "cleaned up" sonically as humanly possible. In addition, the Club page gives sound source information and a star rating system which should alert hi-fi freaks that certain issues are not for them. Surely you can't say fairer than that?? After all, if you buy a "regular" bootleg, you often have to settle for inaccurate sleeve notes or none, plus pretty bad sound with no indication of such on the sleeve, and the cost can be substantially higher than Club releases. As a KC fan, I also wish that some of these discs were longer, but that would presumably push up costs and perhaps there are faults in the source material which cannot be repaired, so I'm willing to accept that editing may be necessary. In addition to my Crimson interest of many years, I'm also a great jazz fan. Many very important jazz releases are not state-of-the-art hi-fi wise, but I'd certainly not be without them. For example, an absolutely pivotal artist such as Charlie Parker would only be known to us in his prime from transcribed 78s if it were not for enterprising home tapers. There would be virtually no material available where Parker stretched out beyond the 2 to 3 minutes limits imposed by the 78 rpm record, which he obviously did in live situations. Sonically some of these releases leave a lot to be desired, but it is the music and the feeling that is important and the chance to hear one of the greatest artists of the 20th century in full flight. You will know whether you want this or not, but once hooked, you will not be disappointed. I say more power to Mr. Fripp's elbow, and I look forward very much to the "low-fi" Zoom Club 72 sessions (I have been warned!). Obviously I'd prefer it in pristine sound, but I'm glad that it is coming out at all. Best regards, Stephen Gadd ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:51:48 -0400 From: Bill Jones Subject: Cover art for 'Discipline' remaster Hey, has anyone else noticed that the new 30th anniversary reissue of 'Discipline' has been branded with the "other" Celtic knot design on its cover? I'm talking about the one that serves as the DGM logo, not the one that originally appeared on the cover of the album. I just got a freebie knot-design sticker from DGM along with a back-ordered item, and in wondering whether they had "fixed" the sticker (I had bought one years before that didn't match the cover of the 'Discipline' CD I had in my collection at the time), I did a quick check against my 'Discipline' remaster. The designs on both the sticker and remaster matched! So I checked both against that first sticker from years ago, and that too also matched! I just got through checking the entry for the 'Discipline' remaster on the DGM online shop, and the accompanying picture boasts the original, much-more-complicated knot design. Anyone have any ideas as to what's going on? I figure that the Definitive Edition entry for 'Discipline' got recycled for the remaster entry (the track listings also make no mention of the bonus 'Matte Kudasai' track). But why the change in design? Does E.G. Records want too much of a percentage cut to use that original graphic, or what? So much for the "miniature gatefold replica concept" in this case... -Bill ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #979 ********************************