Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #969 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 969 Monday, 22 April 2002 Today's Topics: Allan Holdsworth's concerts The Terrifying Arena opens Mexico City download revisited KCCC collector's club and suggestions Muir sighting Craig Armstong covers King Crimson/ phish Diamanda Galas Tamm-Tamm Club. Concerning Tamm's book on Fripp Tony Levin Band Review 4/12/02-Coach House The 21st Century Schizoid Band Craig Armstrong and Starless RE : Music like projeckts ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:35:58 +1000 From: "Peter Allen" Subject: Allan Holdsworth's concerts That's some timing! Just today our local rag advertised Allan Holdsworth playing with Jimmy Johnson (bass) & Chad Wackerman (drums) at the Corner Hotel, Melbourne, Australia on Tuesday 14 May. On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:59:47 +1000 "prof.Dawid" wrote > > Hello folks, > > Does anybody know anything about Allan Holdsworth's tour? I can't find > any information on that subject. His official site has not been > updated for a long time and I have heard that he'll play in Australia > on 8 and 9 May and then in Poland on 25 May. I am not sure about that. > Can you provide me with some more details? > > Cheers, > Davy > Dr Peter Allen (pda at melbpc dot org dot au) Melbourne PC User Group ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 15:25:54 +0200 From: "Anthea" Subject: The Terrifying Arena opens Next April 21st 2002 (Rome's 2755th birthday according to the tradition) the long-awaited 1800 seats auditorium plus the 800 seats open-air amphitheatre next to it (also known among KC fans as The Terrifying Arena) will be officially opened to the public. The inauguration of a third bigger facility (2500 seats) in the same area is planned for the end of this year. The whole complex has been named 'Music Park' and will host both classical and 'rock' concerts. Almost two years after hosting King Crimson in its building site, the 'real thing' is ready to start. And it's likely it will work much more properly than it did at the time, despite Italian promoters' incapacity to organize music events, which hasn't changed much... P.S. 'Apocalypse in 9/8' in its entirety is in 9/8 with Banks playing a 4/4 (or 8/8) solo over it. This way the solo 'rejoins' the piece signature every 9 bars without any need to insert threads to bring things back into place. This is usually referred to as 'poly-rhythm'. The same thing happens - for instance - in 'Riding The Scree' from 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway': Gabriel sings a 4/4 vocal part (and Banks backs it with a 4/4 mini-Moog arpeggio) over a 9/8 rhythm section. P.P.S. 'Schizoid' is in the key of C minor. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:06:41 -0400 From: Andy Haines Subject: Mexico City download revisited Howdy ETer's, First - thanks for the many replies to my Heavy ConstruKction Rome video to mp3 question. I'm listening to the CD as I type. Next - the other day I ran across a zip disc of mine with the Mexico City download on it. Since the last time I played the thing, I've changed computers. So no license, no playing the video. So here's a request (begging on my knees) could someone please post mp3's of the Mexico City versions of One Time and Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dream on an ftp site somewhere so I could download them. I believe these are the only two tracks from the video that are not on VROOOM VROOOM. Or, if someone out there knows how to crack the BootlegTV license problem, that would work too (since I've still got the old version of WinAMP). And I can just hear the groans now "Please God, don't ever let this guy get the Deja VROOOM DVD". :-) Thanks, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:43:59 -0300 (ART) From: Ronald Miklos Subject: KCCC Hi All Business models around the world change almost everyday. DGM is transparent and apparently moving towards a simpler model and more secure direction. I Hope the new Club model could prosper and that we can still have the opportunity of buying remastered stuff previouly only available through bootlegs. KCCC 21 will present us with 1983 rehearsals. They are not calling it "Bearsville Studios", but if the contents are the same, it is very interesting stuff. KCCC 16 will be remastered and freely resent to all members at that time. First edition is too hissy. Ronald Vogel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:06:03 +0000 From: "Donovan Mayne-Nicholls" Subject: collector's club and suggestions So it looks as if the collector's club has ceased to exist. Well, it was BOUND to, sooner than later. It comes to show how little has Fripp learned over years in the business. I never got into the club myself. As a deprived Latin American, I prefer not to fall in the grasp of a credit card. You do spend more since through the net, the world becomes your oyster. Had, however, these releases been available through normal channels (record stores), I would have definitely got them all. Money was not the issue. As a matter of fact, I ended up getting the first three box sets in their Japanese issues. But back to Fripp. He could have released the same stuff as EXTREMELY LIMITED EDITION BOX SETS and probably would have sold them all. Check ELP's OFFICIAL BOOTLEG SERIES. Originally they sold the ISLE OF WIGHT gig only through their web site but have now released it openly. All dinosaur bands got on the sales-through-the-net wagon as if it was Pandora's box, forgetting all the while that normal people like to buy their discs in a PHYSICAL TANGIBLE SPACE. Maybe through the club Fripp could appeal to all KC die hards out there but there's another slice of demographics out there that buy discs on impulse. Fripp should rerelease the discs in box sets like he originally did with THE GREAT DECEIVER back in 92. What Fripp SHOULD DEFINITELY NOT DO is release more compilations. EVER. He's probably the least balanced person to assess his own musical contributions and fans should boycott his attempts at recycling previously released stuff. Look @ CIRKUS. A really lowsy compilation assembled from very few sources which had already been released in their entirety or would in the short run, etc. A box set collection that systematically uses all available vintage tapes (there can't be THAT many soundboard recordings from the seventies. He might as well release the extant all at once) is called for. Only then continue to "clean" bootleg quality tapes for the sheer insane. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim B." Subject: Muir sighting For those seeking Muir rarities. Seen in the April 2002 issue of Down Beat Magazine: a review of Evan Parker's "The Ayes Have It" (Emanem 4055; 3 1/2 stars) "Comprising sessions from 1983 and 1991, The Ayes Have It begins with a cohesive, nuanced four-section trio comprov with extended techniques bass maestro Paul Rogers and percussionist Jamie Muir. On the latter piece, Parker on tenor and rip-wah Dutch trombonist Wolter Wierbos open with an urgent 22-minute dialogue more notable for its ferocity than its musicality; Wierbos drops out, but Parker stokes the fires for another 14 minutes with Rogers and stalwart drummer Mark Sanders, unapologetically revealing his stylistic origins in the innovations of John Coltrane." I know little about Parker except that he's a very prolific, very "out" British jazz saxophonist. Back to lurk mode. JB ===== "Pain is inevitable; misery is a choice." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:51:26 +0100 From: Jordan Clifford [mailto:GrooveHolmes394 at hotmail dot com] Subject: Craig Armstong covers King Crimson/ phish I was recently told about a song on the new album by Craig Armstrong called 'Starless II", with credits to King Crimson inside saying that he samples king crimson or something(my friend who told me isnt a king crimson fan, but he knows i am) so i obviously had to hear it. well, its like an instrumental more electronic version of Starless... i mean the songs are very much alike, Armstrong i guess just puts his own spin on it. i think that its a sample of the orginal song with Armstrong doing whatever he does for the rest of the arrangement, but i dont know. and I dont really know Craig Armstrongs work so i dont know what he sounds like , but i really enjoyed his version of this brilliant song. My freind thought it was beautiful, so maybe ill get him to warm up to KC when i play him the real version. but probably not. anyone else hear this song?? also, as there have been 12 live phish releases so far, and more to come, i for one am hoping to see a track called "Crimson Jam" or "Discipline Jam" on one of the next set of releases from a show that some of the ETers were talking about... speaking of phish, if there are any big phish fans on this list who have a good deal of these new live phish releases (or even just a few) and would like to talk about/recommend them to me, please id love that because im having a really hard time figuring out which one(s) to get. please email about it. thank you Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 17:13:08 -0700 From: Erichion Subject: Diamanda Galas New works are "Defixiones, Will and Testament" and "La Serpenta Canta" One of the best performer's I have ever seen or ever known about. Classically trained pianist and possessor of surreal vocal qualities with a four octave range and the serious sustain of a fender stratocaster. Come have an experience at http://nicosintimatenotebook.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:42:22 -0700 From: "Mark Tucker" Subject: Tamm-Tamm Club. Re: "Peter Moss": Concerning Tamm's book on Fripp >As part of my research I have read Eric Tamm's book about RF... My sympathies. >...RF didn't even want the book to be published Maybe 'cause it's idolatrous blather (w/generous dollops of plain ol' buttkissin'). >Does anyone know what RF thinks about this book being published... Welllllllll...he's intelligent, isn't he? Three guesses. >...and how it's also being referenced on the ET website? *LOL!!!* This is not a forum for critical thinking, Pete, good luck on that one! Seriously, though, there's a zen element in "the question answering itself" here - you read the book, what intelligent reader can find in the way of merit in it? I think the only market appeal was in the fact that it was the only RF/KC tome on the market....UNTIL the most recent, VASTLY superior one by Sid (?) Whatsisname. Even just the promo blurb on Whatsisname's book far outclassed Tamm's whole output. -Marc S. Tucker- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:06:35 EDT From: Elecat at aol dot com Subject: Concerning Tamm's book on Fripp I remember reading once that Fripp stated (in his diary?), "Feeble subjects make for dull books despite the talents of the author." I read the book too, Tamm comes across to me as being somewhat of a weenie. He slams Belew's voice for no adequate reason, and contradicts himself. Peace, John Marr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:08:13 EDT From: Elecat at aol dot com Subject: Tony Levin Band Review 4/12/02-Coach House Set List stolen from Jesse Gress after the show: Pieces of the Sun-Killer 7 Groove Geronimo Silhouette Ever the Sun Will Rise Dog One Pillow of Fire Tequila Sleepless Apollo Ooze The 5th Man Back in NYC Elephant Talk Encores: Phobos-Originally by Synergy (Larry Fast) Utopia I must say that this band rocks live! I went in with somewhat pensively. I mean it IS mostly instrumental music. However, any music played by Levin, Fast, Marotta, and Gress is going to be treated like royalty. Jerry sang all lead vocals except for "Elephant Talk" which was handled by Papa Bear. The biggest surprise of the evening was hearing "Back in NYC" live. The beauty of it all was that the crowd knew the song and many people (self included) sang along while pounding out that groove in 7 on the dinner tables. "Sleepless" had a cool opening section which I didn't recognize. "Dog One" was an outtake from the PG III days. The studio version, on Levin's "Pieces of the Sun" album, sounds exactly like Gabriel in the early 80s. I don't know if anyone noticed that the band was actually imitating Peter's dance moves during the song. It was very cute and amusing. "The 5th Man" is Levin's paean to Crimson with it's interlocking stick parts in different time signatures and different tonalities. "Phobos" also rocked the house down and had many fans screaming "We need another album Larry!" The band was very patient and graceful to the fans that lined up to meet them after the show. This is very cool of the boys since they have NO roadies! They do all the setup and tear-down themselves. I wish for two things: 1. This band releases a live album of the tour 2. This band releases another studio album and follows it up with a tour ;-) One fan said it best when he shouted, "WE LOVE YOU PAPA BEAR!" Peace, John Marr ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:31:50 +0100 From: "Amos_Brailey" Subject: The 21st Century Schizoid Band I was wondering what is happening about the 21st Century Schizoid band?. I've bookmarked the Canterbury Festival website, which has now been recently updated but with no mention of the 21stCSB at all. Are any provincial dates secured yet I wonder?. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 06:27:26 EDT From: GORTAY at aol dot com Subject: Craig Armstrong and Starless I really must rush to the defence of Craig Armstrongs version of "Starless" on his new "As If To Nothing" album. 'Starless' is probably my all-time favourite KC tune so I was a bit worried about how Armstrong would tackle it. The original, though I love it, always had a feeling of being two pieces of music stuck together. Nothing wrong with that of course. 'Day in the Life' is two different songs stuck together and is one of the Beatles best moments. Essentially he's just sampled the melodic opening section, stripped away the vocal and added some orchestration. From that point of view you might say 'hey big deal' but I think he's done a fantastic job by catching something in that opening section which he was able to enhance and turn into something complete in itself and very moving. If he had done more he would have destroyed it. Moreover the tune works very well in the context of Armstrong's album, particularly by being followed by U2's 'Stay (Faraway So Close)'. In passing have you heard the new single by Moby. Its called 'We Are All Made of Stars' and has a guitar part that you would swear was played by someone with the initials RF. Gordy. xxx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 03:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Man In Space Subject: RE : Music like projeckts Hi, Man In Space has an improv that I thought was a little ProjeKct-like. To my surprise, I've read that other people are more reminded of 73Crim. I've put the track up on mp3.com, but I've got the free service, so it could take a week or two to get approved. Another band I'm in is called The Van Dessel Trio, which features two virtuoso drummers (without any exageration), and myself on guitar, synths and looper. Not exactly ProjecKt, but more 73Crim/eclectric Miles oriented. Two tracks are awaiting approval on mp3.com. If interested, check in a week or two, and type Man In Space and/or Van Dessel Trio. Now something else : I've been listening a lot to Bowie's 'Outside' and 'Earthling' lately. I think this music is a perfect companion for KC2K : goes smoothly with Level 5. I wonder if Pat has listened/was influenced by these Bowiesms. slukes, Jan http://users.pandora.be/maninspace ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #969 ********************************