Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #962 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 962 Wednesday, 20 March 2002 Today's Topics: Advice Wanted - Audio Editing Software for Mac Re: KC Setlist resource Re: GGF Re: Turntablism in Crim? Re: Turntables Erik Friedlander; a turntable is an instrument; excitement; Re: PH & RF/KC Pat's Diary, 3/18/02 Turntables? Re: Christian Marclay Bang on a can; drummers use walls; birth song Turntables Re: KC Setlist resource Quartet formation Evil spin 'em! ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:17:17 +0000 From: Iain Robertson Subject: Advice Wanted - Audio Editing Software for Mac Can anyone recommend an audio editing package for the Mac which can do vinyl cleanup like CoolEdit? When transfering old vinyl to CD, I've used the 'click/pop' filter in CoolEdit to get rid of the scratches, etc. My father wants to do the same with a load of his old LPs, but he's a Mac user, and CoolEdit doesn't run on the Mac. Apologies for the off-topic nature, but I'd appreciate any advice anyone can give (private email please, so as not to clog the list). -- Iain Robertson SMTS (mailto:i-robertson at ti dot com) UK Design Centre, Texas Instruments, Northampton, UK Phone: 3412; Fax: 3456; Prefix: +44 1604 66 (Speed: +8 447) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: KC Setlist resource Bruce wrote: >B__., looking forward to going home with his spanking new Club >19!!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^ Just make sure you close the damn door! --Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:13:27 -0500 (EST) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: GGF SoundboardMaster wrote: >Am I missing something? I went to the DGM site and did not see the G,G & >F new CD for sale?! Where can I buy it? I really don't expect to see >this in Tower records you know. I bought my copy at a local record store. Amazon has it. And it's listed as "in stock" at www.towerrecords.com. Shouldn't be that hard to find. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:16:55 -0500 (EST) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: Turntablism in Crim? Marc found it necessary to proclaim: >In ET #960, D. Chinn wrote: > >"Personally I think a ProjeKCt with a turntablist >would be an interesting development." > >...And that will be the day I off my Crimson collection. Don't let the door hit you on the way out; write when you get work; come again when you can't stay so long, etc.... It's not like Crimson has ever shown an aversion to experimenting with new ways of producing music in the past. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:45:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Jackson Subject: Re: Turntables Turntables can be used as instruments just like anything else. Just consider them like a sampler. If its done right, they can produce some excellent results. I've even used a stereo system as an instrument. If turntables aren't instruments or requires skill, why is Robert Fripp using the mellotron, which is just pre-recorded material that can be played by pressing a key. He's a GUITAR player! The answer is that Robert is open to new possibilities regardless how they are produced and we should be of the same mind & spirit as well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:24:51 -0800 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Erik Friedlander; a turntable is an instrument; excitement; >n.p. Erik Friedlander "skin" Please tell us about this record. >I don't know whether "a turntable IS an instrument" is aimed at me, or not, but the logic is: A turntable is a device used to play records. A CD player is a device used to play CDs. A CD player is not an instrument, so a turntable isn't one, either. Your logic limits you. >I've said all that to say this: I'm excited. I'm right there with you in your excitement, Cedric. I say that this Crimson is the best one ever. >I think I'll just absorb whatever comes down the pipe, and make the most of it. More good advice can scarcely be packed into one sentence. >So as long as biz matters don't interfere, this particular Crimsoid resuscitation ought to be one worth seeing. He also mentioned that, if possible, they were going to try to get some original material into the set as well - so in addition to the live fireworks, there might also be an opportunity to see how the creative chemistry works thirty years on, with perhaps Jakko's own proven talents as songwriter acting as the catalyst. We live in hope. We live in hope, indeed. Thanks Dann. It would make me very happy if this band continued along by writing new songs, recording, etc. - S. np: Chick Corea and John McLaughlin, "Beautiful Love" scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:37:16 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: PH & RF/KC >Takaaki Higuchi says that Peter Hammill isn't really KC related. Sorry to >all of you who already know this but Fripp played on a number of Hammill and >Van Der Graaf albums. I don't have the albums any more so I can't give a >definitive list but he was on either 'Pawn Hearts' or 'H to He' Both of them, actually..... >and was on Pete's first solo album 'Fools Mate'. And PH was on That Fripp`s "Exposure", too. Also, of course, PH is a Discipline artist these days. (Can`t get more 'related' than that! ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:41:26 -0800 From: "Tom Ligda" Subject: Pat's Diary, 3/18/02 Shiyo ga nai = I have no other choice. One of the few Japanese phrases I know. (other than Matte Kudasai) [ It's also often translated as "It can't be helped". Literally it means "There is no way". -- Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:41:43 From: "Carlos Eduardo Rodrigues Alves" Subject: Turntables? On the turntables subject, I don't think using them is a good idea, although something that sounded quite like a hip-hop turntable can be heard during the solo of "Into the Frying Pan". Probably a guitar effect of some sort. Or maybe I have damaged my speakers. The sound itself isn't that bad, but after decades of use it's not the sound that really matters, it's the associated imagery and cultural background. There's a lot of new sounds to be explored, using this already known (and not so great) sound is only justifiable if you WANT to sound like hip-hop. If that's what you want, either because you are in a hip-hop band or want to make some comment about it, that's OK. And I do think it's an overkill to use pre-recorded sounds to make them sound like scratch... Bye! Carlos E. R. Alves ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:50:12 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: Christian Marclay >>I saw someone who >> used it sporadically (strictly for percussive effects), live w/ Medeski, >> Martin, & Wood. That *was* great............... >That was a fellow by the name of DJ Logic, and he tends to do nifty stuff, >annoying or not. In the context used (as percussive device,......... *sporadically*) I thought it was fine. Worked well,....... but in general, I just don`t like the sound. I prefer MM&W *without* the DJ. Now in the realm of avant-garde musics it`s an entirely different story. Give Christian Marclay a listen.......... (He`s the man!) C ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:32:03 -0800 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Bang on a can; drummers use walls; birth song >While I am hardly a fan of dj or hip hop music and culture, it strikes me that a trash can isn't an instrument either, it is a trash receptacle. Until you turn it over and start banging on it. Right on Josh! >Drummers use "walls" as echoing devices, so that they can hear themselves. Guitarists use walls as self-protection devices, so that they can hear themselves. >A few days ago my wife gave birth to our daughter in an active birth. Afterwards she advised me that somehow she had some KC song in her head and had turned it into a sort of mantra to deal with the pain. What song was it Mark? - S. np: Johansson, Sonic Winter scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:20:20 From: "Matt D" Subject: Turntables Steve said on the last Installment >>That was a fellow by the name of DJ Logic, and he tends to do nifty >> >>stuff, annoying or not. DJ Logic also has played in Vernon Reid's Masque group who opened for Krimson at the Mann Music Center on the last night of the double-trio tour. Many fans in attendance didn't seem to like this music however. Matt www.spacestationintegration.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:54:32 -0500 From: Adam Aronson Subject: Re: KC Setlist resource >> From: SoundboardMaster at aol dot com >> Subject: Need Set List >> >> Anybody can help me out? I need an accurate set list for Crimso 12-13-01 >> Beacon Theater, NYC. Please e-mail me. Thank you. > > The best source of KC setlists I've seen is at: > > http://members.aol.com/kingcrimsonlive/index.htm > > I'm 95% sure that the 12/13/01 list is there... There's also http://www.arKchive.com Ooops, I forgot... It's not ready yet. ;) //aa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:01:50 -0300 (ART) From: Ronald Miklos Subject: Quartet formation Hi everyone Great Deceiver box set covers november 73 until june 74. Night Watch is drawn from november 73. Central Park and Mainz from 74. USA is from june 74. No other official release has any 1st semester 73 show as well as the 2nd semester american leg tour (august and september 73). 1st semester 73 is very well served by lots of good sound quality boots and saw KC always playing the whole Larks (but "Book of Saturday" sometimes"), Doctor D, two improvs and Schizoid Man. Beginning of 2nd semester has longer shows with the addition of "Lament", "Night Watch" and "Fracture". Early versions of "Fracture" are longer than the official 11 minute version. This can be seen in "Arlington - Texas" show. Unfortunately, the Arlington show is the only one I have from the american leg. Would like very much to trade other shows from that time. Please email privately only (rmvogel at yahoo dot com) Thanks Ronald Vogel (Brazil) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:11:19 -0500 From: Dan Gallagher Subject: Evil I happened to be glancing though that e-book by Eric Tamm on KC and RF when I saw a statement to the effect that the music of KC has been called the "embodiment of pure evil"..... That's quite a salvo.....I'll agree that KC's music is powerful, earth-shattering, perhaps even darkly mysterious. But evil? I think this word has certainly been stretched a bit much here. Evil is essentially negative energy that, given purpose and intent, manifests itself by its influence on the human personality, on events, on history. In sufficient concentrations this force appears to take on an intelligence of its own; perhaps in high concentrations it becomes demonic, and in extreme concentrations it becomes satanic. Suffice it to say that music, a form of energy itself, wouldn't really acquire any "evil" characteristics unless it were given intent -- that is, lyrics that direct the music's energy towards some nefarious end. KC certainly has its share of "heavenly" music...take the "Peace" series on ITWOP, for example. But would you call any of KC's music "evil"? That piece entitled the "Heavenly Music Corporation"....would you call it "heavenly"? --sassure ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:37:01 -0800 (PST) From: Man In Space Subject: spin 'em! Hi all, on the subject of turntables : the dj's at LaRocca and Cafe d'Anvers, two clubs near my home, can really drive me nuts. They combine songs/sounds, suddenly alter ridms, fall back in groove at the right time and have lots more up their sleeve. I say they're damn good musicians. It's not what you play, it's how you play it. The last decade, I've been more surprised and excited by dj's than by guitarists. You've just got to open yourself for new experiences; at first, when my friends told me they were listening to this boom-boom music, I didn't get it. Till I discovered Eat Static and FSOL, and completely when I first shaked my booty at a great party. Haven't stopped since. There's a time and place for KC(...and The Sunshine Band) and for Dave Clarke. And loads of other music. Jan np The Elf and The Hawk ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #962 ********************************