Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #96 Discipline, Number 96 Friday, 4 June 1993 Today's Topics: string quintet in SF Re: review of Robert Fripp Guitar Quintet an interesting (?) story Misc. matte kudasai Crimson news Tony Levin track on 'PLUS FROM US' [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 May 93 14:22:16 PDT From: steve at scopus dot com (Steve Yockey) Subject: string quintet in SF >From: dunn@saffron (Casey Dunn) ... lots of detailed, astute observations about concert deleted ... >the only other words I heard from RF were in closing the first show; after >building the crowd into a frenzy of high focused energy the band returned >for another encore. all carried acoustic guitars. they walked up to a table >in the front row, the crowd hushed, straining to hear anything. RF seemed >to say "This song is dedicated to Mrs. Christopher", nodded at the band >and they swung into an unamplified crafty exercise. The audience turned all >their attention to that table, and the band turned that energy to "Mrs. >Christopher". This was quite amazing, and the most "humble" way I've ever >seen a show ended. Actually, he said, "Ladies and Gentlemen, Ms.(Mrs?, Miss?) Patricia Fripp." Anyone know who she is? Sister? (She's not his wife.) > the show was dumped to Alesis ADAT _and_ DAT. And to a primitive cassette tape that somehow ended up in my posession :-) (my tape btw is only of the 8pm show, not the 10:30 show) (Which is how I know for certain what he said, by the way.) Any trade requests are welcome! Another note about the show... They were selling a video: The Robert Fripp String Quintet Live in Japan '92 for $20, which I purchased. This looks like something that won't be available in stores. My copy has some annoying sound problems (mostly "popping" noises, similar to an old LP), especially toward the end of the tape. Does anyone else have this problem? They were also selling: T-shirts, Decals (discipline style logos), Crafty tapes, and Ca. Guitar Trio CDs. Bring lots of $$. Both shows we're very good. The improv from the second show was cool but brief (wish I got it on tape). My very minor complaints about the show: 1. Fripp was subdued. He handled the Frippertronics, of course, but not much else. I got the feeling he was there as mentor/teacher/cult leader more than anything else. For a number of tunes he did nothing but sit and watch. 2. There was a lack of original material. A few songs were repeated, with slightly different arrangements. The Bach stuff was cool, but I prefered the new original pieces. Lots of Crafty pieces. The ventures stuff was cute, but they did at least one too many 'cute' songs. A lot of the material can also be found on the California Guitar Trio CD that can be purchased at the show. But the original material, esp. the first few songs, really blew me away. IMO the rest of the show didn't quite live up to the first few songs. Don't get me wrong though, the show was great! See it at all costs! -steve steve at scopus dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 28 May 93 14:40:46 PDT From: Gregory dot Aranda at EBay dot Sun dot COM (Greg Aranda - 'Confusion will be my epitaph') Subject: Re: review of Robert Fripp Guitar Quintet [In reference to Casey Dunn's review of the Robert Fripp Guitar Quintet concert at the Great American Music Hall in San Francisco, CA, on 22 May 1993] > well, after surviving 2 sets of Mr. Fripp & Crew I must attempt to report > to this august "gathering"...but I fear that words may fail me here...as > well as spelling...and occasionally hearing...such is the veil of maya... I, too, survived the very same sets. Incredible stuff! I offer, here, some words to fill in the few gaps... > Now, mind you, not a word was spoken. no introductions, no explanations, no > titles, no excuses. so I don't have names for any "new" peices. In the > first show there seemed to be more F`tronic peices than in the second but I > may be mistaken. There were, in fact, three Frippertronics pieces in each show. Fripp (and Trey) really built some amazing walls of sound. Each piece was built to a crescendo that could split the heavens. The opening Frippertronics piece was an amazingly complex soundscape that ended abruptly, followed immediately by a very fast paced piece that was played, predominately by the California Trio (three former Guitar Craft students whose names elude me at the moment) and was a cross, stylistically, between a Guitar Craft and King Crimson. Fripp and one of the CT players played soaring "lead" notes while the other two CT players provided very agile, complex lines and chording. Trey ably anchored the piece. The second Frippertronics piece was an updated, very much embellished "Urban Landscape". The sheer power, the sheer =terror= in the music was almost overwhelming! When Fripp finally cut the loop, the sounds reverberated throughout the hall. As the sound died down, the CT launched into "Sleepwalking", an old slide guitar tune. The contrast was great! As the opening lines of "Sleepwalking" began, you could hear the chuckles spread throughout the room as the crowd's awareness of the tune came to fruition. The third piece (the one that preceded each of the first walk-offs (pre-encore) started off with very fragmented playing by Fripp -- interesting rhythms resulting -- and grew and grew into a tsunami-like wall of sound. At one point, Fripp indicated, with a slight nod, to the rest of the players that the set was over. All five players rose, faced the audience for several moments, then walked off stage. The tsunami continued, augmented by strong, enthusiastic applause and cheers from the audience. There still =is= hope... > the songs I thought I recognized were a couple off the crafties album, some > Ventures (surf music!), "Walk, Don't Run" and "Pipeline" were the two Ventures tunes. >The only time RF cut loose was in an encore for the second set. This wasn't >played in the first show. He asked "Are you shure your're ready for this?" >of Trey and proceded to blind us... Trey ripped in and off they soared. >Reminded me of RF and Belew, but it may have been better! This could =easily= be a glimpse of "Larks' Tongues, Part 4", and if it is...I'm =impressed!= > the only other words I heard from RF were in closing the first show; after > building the crowd into a frenzy of high focused energy the band returned > for another encore. all carried acoustic guitars. they walked up to a table > in the front row, the crowd hushed, straining to hear anything. RF seemed > to say "This song is dedicated to Mrs. Christopher", nodded at the band > and they swung into an unamplified crafty exercise. The audience turned all > their attention to that table, and the band turned that energy to "Mrs. > Christopher". This was quite amazing, and the most "humble" way I've ever > seen a show ended. > > (If I remember correctly, Mrs. Christopher is a teacher from the > Bennet (sp) school...I may well be wrong, as the second show close in > a similar fashon, but this time in the back of the hall.) Actually, it was not any "Mrs. Christopher", but, rather, Robert's sister, Patricia Fripp. Patricia has long been a prominient hair stylist in San Francisco. (I went up to the front of the hall and verified that it was, indeed, Patricia). And, yes, it was a very touching moment, indeed. The gentleness with which they played those final, completely acoustic (as in "no amplification") encores was quite beautiful. What a wonderful way to end such an emotion charged evening... > This was a great show. I have high hopes for KC93. And how! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Sat, 29 May 93 12:29:53 EDT From: epb3r at uva dot pcmail dot virginia dot edu Subject: an interesting (?) story I feel obligated to post this.... Last weekend I was feeding my snake (red tail boa) a small rat when I realized that I could videotape this (I had access to a camcorder). So I got the camcorder and thought of what music I could play in the background, and the Red cd came to mind. So I put it in, on Starless, and began taping. It was the first non-concert thing I'd ever videotaped and is naturally very amateurish, but it came out really well - solely b/c of the music. It was VERY fitting! I don't really know what the lyrics mean, but overall it was very cool. Since the snake hadn't finished in the 12 minutes (or however long it is) I put in On One More Red Nightmare, which was also fitting. oops^ He had finished by the end of One More... Just thought I'd let you know Erik [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: papia at nest dot enet dot dec dot com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 11:37:21 PDT Subject: Misc. Hi all, I'm new to Discipline so I might have missed rumor or fact about the 81 to 84 "Live" box. Can someone please fill me in? Thanks! I saw this band 3 times, incredible. I also have the 2 video tapes (Japan & the noise) from this time frame. Both are excellent. I have "The Great Deceiver" box set, truly exceptional! I feel it is right now the reference for "Live" recording on CD to be judged by. The new band sounds very interesting. As much as I hated Bill Brufords attitude his talent IMHO is unsurpassed, especially "live". I've seen Jerry Marotta a few times with Peter Gabriel. He was solid but no Bruford. Vinny Papia [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 14:17:06 -0700 From: David A. Craig Subject: matte kudasai the honourable mr. relph's informative comments about the definitive edition "discipline" and its de-fripped matte kudasai lead me to wonder where the fripped version still appears. is it on compact kc or frame by frame? is it on the original discipline cd release? elsewhere? also, are there any other suspicious goings on in these definitive edition releases? WHO DOES THIS FRIPP GUY THINK HE IS, ANYWAY, MESSING WITH MY RECORDS?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 07:28:37 +0100 From: "Pete Cole" Subject: Crimson news One of the guitar mags to just come out (has a picture of some oldster called Jeff Beck on the cover), also features an interview with Robert Fripp. The word is that a new Crimson EP is to come out later this year, to be followed by a full album / tour next year. Sounds like the Fripp / Sylvian album is imminent, and somewhat heavy ! Sounds good to me ... Is Discipline still being sent out ? The last issue I recieved was number 81 (26th February !) ... ! Pete [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 17:50:23 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: Tony Levin track on 'PLUS FROM US' Peter Gabriel's new release 'PLUS From Us' has a track by Tony on it, called 'Lone Bear'. Written by TL, performed by him on stick, 5:39. I think I only know of one other TL-credited piece anywhere, and that's the King Crimson barbershop thing. Anyone know better? More info on the PFU track when I play the CD tonight. Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. The views expressed in Discipline are those of the individual authors only.