Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #956 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 956 Wednesday, 13 March 2002 Today's Topics: Leaving early / wrost KC song more about "The Guide to Larks' Tongue In Aspic (part 1-4) worst KC song A great deal of passion; explanations and theories put a gun to your head,please! Re: worst KC song Future KCCC releases... Parody - Boat Deceiver The Moment New Adrian Belew interview on MWE3.COM King Crimson Official Live Releases... Can I purchase someone's copy of "The Beat Club, Bremen 1972" CD? Re: "Ali Janab"'s worst KC song post "WELL-RESPECTED MUSICIAN"? 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:02:12 -0700 From: "Proginoskes" Subject: Leaving early / wrost KC song Johnguti at aol dot com wrote: > > I was very surprised to see people leaving the concert > after the John Paul Jones opening act. At the Phoenix concert last fall, I got a seat in the balcony, at the end of a row, so I was getting up a lot before the show. After JPJ left the stage, quite a few people got up and left. I decided I may as well stay standing up, but they never came back. Figures ... "Ali Janab" wrote: > > So, for all you Crimson die-hards that actually enjoy > the album, don't try to act like your opinion is better > than mine, because I most likely have more musical > talent than all of you put together. Hmmm. I couldn't find any of his releases at the All Music Guide website. They've never even heard of this "multi- talented" musician (who lists as one of his "instruments" the Turntable). The only conclusion that I can come to about Ali Janab (which is an anagram of "Anal Jab I (1)", incidentally) is that his e-mail was posted exactly three weeks too early. -- Christopher Heckman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:57:28 -0500 From: Randall dot Hammill at hartfordlife dot com Subject: more about "The Guide to Larks' Tongue In Aspic (part 1-4) Since one of the posts indicated that it was "compiled by Robert Fripp for EG Records" I can pretty much say that it is an unauthorized release since EG doesn't have any rights to the catalog, not to mention that Robert has made his feelings about his previous label pretty clear. Aside from that, I'm sure it would not be all that difficult to make your own compilation from the many legitimate CDs that have been released. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:03:13 -0600 From: William S Jenks Subject: worst KC song Ali Janab writes... > >Hello, all. > >It has come to my attention that a "Least Favorite King Crimson Song" thread >is now the hottest topic on ET.... I am a musician, a WELL-RESPECTED >MUSICIAN at that. Hello Boys and Girls. Can you say, "troll"? That's great. I knew you could. Back into lurk mode, William -- William S. Jenks voice (515) 294-4711 Department of Chemistry fax (515) 294-0105 Iowa State University wsjenks at iastate dot edu Ames, IA 50011-3111 http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wsjenks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:40:29 -0800 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: A great deal of passion; explanations and theories >It has come to my attention that a "Least Favorite King Crimson Song" thread is now the hottest topic on ET. This is a subject for which I have a great deal of passion, as I cannot stand the music of the first album. The five tunes on In the Court of the Crimson King are among the worst music I have ever heard in my entire life, and I listen to a lot of music. A whole lot. As well, I am a musician, a WELL-RESPECTED MUSICIAN at that. So, for all you Crimson die-hards that actually enjoy the album, dont try to act like your opinion is better than mine, because I most likely have more musical talent than all of you put together. Really. You may be well-respected by someone, but not by me. Your negativity is appalling. >I'm getting a bit frustrated with all these "explinations" and theories as to why Fripp acts the way he does on stage, or rather doesnt act at all. They are particularly tedious when Fripp himself has posted some answers to these questions in the past, and the people continue to ask the same questions of each other, and even worse, providing the wrong answers to each other. Why don't these people look in the ET archives to get Fripp's reasoning in these matters? - S. np: Kenso, 76/77 scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:05:39 -0500 From: "Michael Destefano" Subject: put a gun to your head,please! Mr. Janab, I admire belief in ones abilities! Without a strong "sense of self" an artist can only flounder. My objection to your post has more to do with the unmusical way you criticize the first album,.You throw around adjectives that belong on the school yard-not in a (somewhat)serious discussion forum. By the way, do you like the second album? I can't imagine you do. As a matter of fact, I can't imagine you liking any of the Sinfield era Crimson.(much too flowery for your "urban"? mentality) Please remember to put art into proper time perspective. Taste and opinions are like bubbles-they don't hold much weight. You come across as a person who has possibly aquired skill without education (if I'm wrong then I apologize), you make arguments based on taste and preference-not once do you offer a legitimate basis for your logic or thinking. There are alot of people out there (with real musical credentials) that probably think Mr. Fripp is a half rate guitar hack, it doesn't make their opinion correct--but I'm sure that their reasons would be clear and defined. You come off a bit like a punk: if you have a gift as great as you say you do-why come off so undereducated? Hard rock guitarist? What the heck is that anachronism? Bass master? Do you fish? Turntabilst? Don't ghetto's have real instruments? I don't know what you do artistically, but ringing your own bell too loudly does nothing but make people tune you out! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:18:48 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Wingo Subject: Re: worst KC song > It has come to my attention that a "Least Favorite > King Crimson Song" thread is now the hottest topic > on ET. This is a subject for which I have a > great deal of passion, as I cannot stand the music > of the first album. The five tunes on In the Court > of the Crimson King are among the worst music I > have ever heard in my entire life, and I listen to > a lot of music. A whole lot. > As well, I am a musician, a WELL-RESPECTED MUSICIAN > at that. So, for all you Crimson die-hards that > actually enjoy the album, dont try to act like your > opinion is better than mine, because I most likely > have more musical talent than all of you put > together. Really. > On Crimson Fans as a whole: Ya know, I used to wonder why Crimson fans get such a bad rap. Now I know. If we're not knockin on other groups or fans, we're knockin on each other. What's the point? Who cares if you're hurt by a differing opinion? If you don't like hearing other people's thoughts, then "end it". It's the only way out . . . [fin] On this Twit: Don't worry. No matter how good (or bad) of a musician you are, the beauty of the situation is that there's always someone better. It may not be me, but I'm sure it's someone else. Besides, you don't have to play like an angel (or devil) to know what s%@t smells like. The smell may even be you. On Twits in general: The tired old adage: "Opinions are like a*#holes. Everyone's got one and yours probably stinks too." You'll never convince the world that you're always right, but you should start worrying when you've convinced yourself. (hmm, sounds like Norbert Fragg) It's not like you can really rank an opinion anyway. Should you? Could you? [would you eat it in a hat? would you eat it with a bat?] That's the nature of opinions, noone else thinks like you. Why should they? Why would they? Especially if you're a jerk about it. Besides, does it really make a difference if you're just pointing out that you have a different opinion? Should we all pat you on the back for being different? I don't agree with you, but I'm not saying you can't express your opinion. Just don't be a d$^k. I deal with enough jerks already on a daily basis. Wow, I didn't even talk about ItCoTCK. I think the screaming face can defend itself. "Bite 'im. Bite 'im Schizoid Man!" Who Cares . . . Enought Proselytizing For Today, The Non-Vicar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:54:54 -0500 From: "Gregory Pegg" Subject: Future KCCC releases... Hello Group, I am curious to know what future releases from the KCCC would anyone like to see. Does anyone know what is coming up in the distant future beyond the Zoom Club? Other than P1 and an un-computerized P3, there is not a whole lot left. Bring on the Frippertronics I say. Maybe a TCOL show or two. Do we wish that we knew what was "in the vaults"? Of course we do. Get Fripp on the line... Later, Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:25:10 +1100 From: "prof.Dawid" Subject: Parody - Boat Deceiver Hey Crimfreaks! I wanted to post my first letter for the 1000th issue but I decided to do it now. I liked the idea of the parodies and tried to create my own. You have to know that I am not a native speaker of English so it makes me writing such stuff a bit harder but anyway I enjoyed writing it. Hope you will as well. BOAT DECEIVER A tall dark faggot with a blondy chick Likes to comb his hair and has a nervous tic Once had a suitcase with some heroin Once he helped a criminal to get in Boat Deceiver By the door on the floor in a leather bag There's a new box brought by the blondy slug She brought it here and then called for him And asked him to take a box of Jim Beam Cigarettes, weapons, fugitives, and a joint of Mary Cigarettes, weapons, alcohol, green plants In the night he's a star on the ferry way He's a boss of the firm by the light of day A golden gun and no proposition And the breath of the cop smells like accusition Hear the trial make love with men tattos scars He's got his life behind the bars He'll spend this life 'til the cold winds blow But he in his dreams sees the sentence low Cigarettes,... Cheers D@vy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:27:41 -0800 From: "H b" Subject: The Moment Greetings. Well, a few ETs ago, I attempted to begin a new thread pertaining to the Present Moment of KC and 'Progressive Music'.. I did receive a few personal responses, but all I've seen here is the continued drivel; ie worst song, favorite TOAPP tune, etc... Are these discussions relevant? Its seems they are. Not to me, though.. As a musician and listener concerned with the state of today's music (Creed?), I'm curious how many other readers here are doing anything about this trend, or even thinking about this.. I certainly feel responsible in what music I choose to bring to life AND also what music I choose to consume, if any. I am curious and concerned with what the next Crim release will bring. I patiently await new material that hopefully continues to push the boundaries of 'progressive music', or whatever you choose to call it. My sense is that within the Rock genre, there is very little really pushing the envelope.. Most of the "New" music that does entice me is coming from the Jazz/Avant-Garde world.. (Familiar with M-BASE/Five Elements?) I'd like to hear people's thoughts about the Present Moment, be it Crim, Prog, Jazz, Rock, etc and how you perceive what's going on in our world at the moment.. As for the post by Ali Janab Hard Rock Guitarist, Bass Master, Turntabilist, I will do my best not to flame you (I'll leave that to the others who surely will). Instead, I'd like to say that, you are entitled to your opinion concerning ITCOTCK. I'm assuming you are younger than me. If this is so, then I would remind you that this piece of Vinyl (that you despise so much) came out in 1969. I first heard it in the early '70's. I don't think I need to tell you what precedents were set by this album (instrumentation, cover art/concept LP, time signatures, guitar work. etc), but I will say that such an LP needs to be listened to in its proper perspective. If you listen to it with your modern, WELL-RESPECTED MUSICIAN/Turntablist ears, then you may come up abit short. While its not my all-time favorite KC LP, I do hold found memory associations with it. I do enjoy the contrasts between the heavier beginning/ending pieces and the more subtler moments in-between. So as "a REAL musician and a REAL songwriter,one with a lot of respect", I hope that as you go back and listen to 'Vintage' music, that you also develop an ear for perspective; you only stand to benefit from this. To give you a 'flipside' example, I tend to think "turntablists" are anything but musicians.. I just don't see any Talent or Creativity involved or required. This approach mostly puts a 'Harsh' on my ears.. Really. (I do love Public Enemy, however) PEACE OUT, Dr. Howard "The Function Of An Artist is "The Mythologization Of The Environment And The World" -Joseph Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:52:35 -0600 From: Rob Murphree Subject: New Adrian Belew interview on MWE3.COM Hi All! There's a new Adrian Belew interview on Music Web Express 3000's site! CATCHING FIRE AT LEVEL 5 http://www.mwe3.com Read how Adrian met Robert Fripp, what's new with King Crimson, and what's in store for 2002 and beyond. You can also read about The Bears, and his solo career. Have fun! Rob Murphree The Official Adrian Belew Site http://www.adrianbelew.net The Bears Official Site http://www.thebearsmusic.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:05:03 -0500 From: "Nik Smith" Subject: King Crimson Official Live Releases... I'm wondering what other live (official) releases are worth getting? I've gotten The Night Watch, and I have Epitaph in the mail. I really want to get something with Muir in it, but I don't think such a thing exists. What's on "The Great Deceiver"? Is that worth getting? Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:20:31 -0500 From: "Nik Smith" Subject: Can I purchase someone's copy of "The Beat Club, Bremen 1972" CD? I don't want to join the KC Collector's club JUST to buy ONE Cd...so could I buy someone's copy off of them for a reasonable price? Thanks, Nik ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 03:22:40 EST From: GottaJibbootwo at aol dot com Subject: Re: "Ali Janab"'s worst KC song post Um, Ali Janab, I'm very sorry to have to bring this to your attention, but you are a total, complete, royal, and utter Dick. With a capitol D. For your information, I'd really like to hear the music you make, seeing as how I myself am an established, respected musician, and would really like to challenge your arrogant as hell comment that you have more talent than anyone else who posts here. Your opinions are totally un-founded in reality, but unfortuneately, it is your right to express them, however, it is not your right to make incorrect, and insulting comments to others here. Now, being the case, I just did that very thing to you, and apologize ahead of time, but I really had to say that because it is obviously very true. Have a wonderful day, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 04:28:59 -0500 From: "MALCOLM XERXES" Subject: "WELL-RESPECTED MUSICIAN"? DISCLAIMER: If ALI'S post was an attempt at satire, then please disre- gard my commentary in response to same. Hello, all. It has come to my attention that a "Least Favorite King Crimson Song" thread is now the hottest topic on ET. This is a subject for which I have a great deal of passion, as I cannot stand the music of the first album. Fair enough. The five tunes on In the Court of the Crimson King are among the worst music I have ever heard in my entire life, You're entitled to your opinion. and I listen to a lot of music. A whole lot. You say that as though the sheer volume of your record collection is intended to impress us, and cause to stop thinking for ourselves. As well, I am a musician, Many other people make the same claim. a WELL-RESPECTED MUSICIAN at that. An allegation remains an unsupported claim, even if you state it in BLOCK CAPITAL LETTERS: by whom are you "respected"? What, if any, are their aesthetic criteria? Are they just like you? So, for all you Crimson die-hards that actually enjoy the album, dont try to act like your opinion is better than mine, Clearly, you are far better qualified to do that than we! because I most likely have more musical talent than all of you put together. Really. Perhaps you would care to provide us with some of your alleged "work", so that we may all have reason (other than your say-so) to fall prostrate at your feet? Now, onto the five worst songs... 21st Century Schizoid Man - This song is horrible. In fact, it is so bad that I've never been able to listen to it all the way through. Having never given it a complete "Active Listen", then you are not qualified to criticise the piece. Worse yet, you boast of your ignorance as though it were a badge of honour! It starts off with a broken organ or some shit like that and then it goes into some bullshit riff that my 2-year-old granddaughter could have written. She doubtless has a lucrative contract, like yourself? The only good thing is that it is kind of heavy. Surely its weight is derived directly from the storage medium on which it conveyed: LP? Cassette? 8-track? Compact Disc? Of what possible relevance can this be to its compositional merit & musicianship? And what's with the lyrics? Cat's foot iron claw? This is usually where I lift the needle or the turntable to song 2. Clearly, the lyrics were intended for the ears of one who is capable of recognising Imagery, Metaphor, et cetera, as tools of songwriting, rather than one who, like yourself, has the attention span of a hummingbird. Unfortunately... I Talk to the Wind - God, why??? Only if I was a DRUGGIE and HOMO would I listen to this. Your homophobic bigotry is your constitutional right, but it is not a criterion by which to judge lyrical content & composition. Good music for frolicking in the fields and staring at little boys private parts, if you ask me. You are, no doubt, an experienced molester of other people's boychildren, and therefore better able to tell us all how this music ought to be used in daily life. The only use for this tune might be that it'd be a good theme song for the National Man-Boy Love Association, You are free to dislike the piece, but the lifestyle of people whom you envy is of no relevance to an intelligent discourse about the piece. but it is probably too corny for those miscreants. Resentful that they revoked your membership, are you? Epitaph - Listen, when I want to put a gun to my head and rob the world of my talent, ALLEGED "talent". I'll listen to this song. Yes, good idea, please do it now, and purify the gene pool! It gets kind of heavy at the end, though, Perhaps if you refrained from benchpressing the sterero while the piece played, then the piece's weight would be less bothersome to you. which would be good if not for Greg Lake singing about crying his eyes out like a pansy. As a practised horticulturist, I can attest without fear of contradiction that flowers are incapable of such an act...or is this another of your intended digs at MR. LAKE'S sexuality? Moonchild - A cheesy ballad that segues into 69 or so minutes of NONSENSE!!! Again, after a few minutes (they feel like hours) I lift, no wait, I don't even lift the needle on my turntable... I just grate it across the record, hoping to scratch the song out of its miserable existence. The 9mm solution you mentioned earlier would prevent your continued "suffering", and you would be doing us all a favour by ceasing to inflict your existence upon the planet. The Court of the Crimson King - Ok, this is obviously just filler material... I guess they couldn't write another crappy song so the wrote the WORST SONG EVER!!! Stupid lyrics, gay flutes, You have an objection to woodwind players' happiness? Oh, I SEE! Another homophobic dismissal of a fine player of a fine instrument! and an orchestra or something... Sounds like some kind of MIDI crap. I hate this song, I hate this song, I HATE this song. In fact, I give it too much glory when I call it a song. This is trash, in my opinion. Feel free to jam knitting needles into your eardrums at any time, for alleviation of your discomfort. So, I hope I didn't sound too harsh, but as a REAL musician and a REAL songwriter (one with a lot of respect, I might add), I can safely say that this is the worst prog album ever. It pales in comparison to later King Crimson (John Wetton and Adrian Belew). I'm just glad that the band could live on to create some good music after such a pansy debut. Why the hostility to this particular flower? Are you projecting doubt about your own sexuality onto botanists everywhere? Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated, either through this list or private email. Are you sure about that? Some of the contributors to this periodical ARE homosexual, and you have shown quite handily that "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!" Ali Janab Hard Rock Guitarist, Bass Master, Turntabilist You forgot "Ignorant Homophobic Wanker", but I am sure that your daughter shan't forget that when she embraces Lesbianism, for fear of marrying a "man" like you! MX "OUTLAW" http://www.malcolmxerxes.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:06:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Marriott Subject: Prog/prog >Im not sure that i would ever consider KC in the same >category as Yes though, or even Genisis, and while i >respect Genisis, i >dont, thus far, listen to them. KC (1969-1972) sounds >more like Genisis >then >oh say The Doors, but i find them to be very >different. and like i said >, if >they were in the Prog category with Genisis , their >73-74 line up put >them >in a category all there own. which is really what its >all about. To me >>King >Crimson music is King Crimson music, and while the >music is >progressive, I >dont like to consider it Prog. I think that there is a problem with creating a genre for something that by definition defies categorisation. A soon as you put it into a category with well defined parameters, surely it stops being progressive. I really like bands like Dream Theater, but they follow a style similar to several bands from the seventies. They are Prog, but they're not progressive. I would say that there were a few bands in the seventies where each album was a progression from the last. It seems that at least with the most famous groups, they reached a certain point and then stuck to a specific formula. Perhaps they were progressive up to that point. With Yes, it was either Close to the Edge or Relayer. With Genesis it was The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. But there are many bands from the same era that are put into the same category which are nothing like these bands. Maybe the next album after Red would have been KC's very own Tales From Topographic Oceans? :-) ===== -- Kev "These go to 11" - Nigel Tufnel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:19:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Marriott Subject: Re: Arguments >Darin Lemieux wrote: "pps - anyone else listened to >Pink Floyd's >"Animals" >album? I'm loving it >at the moment - I highly recommend it, any KC fan >would enjoy this one >I >think." Definately. Especially 'Dogs'. A classic track. the album is kind of Crimson-esque, if you ask me. ===== -- Kev "These go to 11" - Nigel Tufnel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:38:07 +0000 From: terry dot lowen at ucd dot ie Subject: touring I've only recently (last nine months) gotten into Crimso, but since then I've been hooked. I saw a tv programme on channel 4 (british channel) called "top ten prog rock". The show is self explanatory from the title. Being a fan of punk (I was born in 78 the disco era) I watched the show expecting to see and hear a lot of musical masturbation. The show fulfilled my expectations ('Camel' for the love of God) until they got to King Crimson. Beforehand, all I knew of Crimso was that they were prog rock and Fripp played on 'Heroes'. The show, realising that people only have an attention span of 10 seconds, played just snippets of the music, not enough to pique my interest. However when it was mentioned that 'Red' was Kurt Cobain's favourite album I became curious. I bought Red and after listening to it I ended up buying any Crimso release I could get my hands on, basically all their shop released albums (personal fav being the 'Deceiver' boxset). The great thing was all their albums were less than half the price of that stuffy, stodgy band Floyd (forget 'Animals' listen to 'Meddle'). Irish #10.99 versus #23.99 (don't ask me to convert that to Euro I'm not used to it yet). Perfect for a poor student. Anyway what I'd like to ask is have Crimso ever performed in Ireland or do you think they ever will? I mean, Dorset is only across the water as they say how hard could it be(I realise that the current Crimson are as American as apple pie). If I'm permitted another question I'd like to ask if there is anyone else out there who discovered Crimso accidently and how they did so? Americans should be disqualified from this thread ,if it starts, as they are privaleged (I'm sure I spelled that incorrectly but I think its phonetically sound) enough to get country-wide tours. Crimso were even mentioned on 'Malcom in the Middle' for God's sake (it made me love the show even more). No one I know has heard of King Crimson. Least favourite thread: best musician. Stop over-analising and just appreciate the great music that they produce. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:40:49 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: Ali 'the greatest' That Ali (inventive names are hard to come by) Janab post (however laughable) is certainly a poor, ...no, make that *miserable* joke......... Obviously intended to start a war.... (I`m sure plenty will respond telling whoever posted it to crawl back up his arse & disappear)............ >The five tunes on In the Court of the Crimson King are among the worst music I >have ever heard in my entire life, and I listen to a lot of music. A whole lot. >As well, I am a musician, a WELL-RESPECTED MUSICIAN at that. Hee hee, hoo HOO!! ROTFLMAO! > So, for all >you Crimson die-hards that actually enjoy the album, dont try to act like >your opinion is better than mine, because I most likely have more musical >talent than all of you put together. Really. Hilarious!!! ................... Truly funny stuff, feller. 8^D) and.............his best idea... >Epitaph - Listen, when I want to put a gun to my head and rob the world of >my talent, I'll listen to this song. PLEASE do! ASAP TIA! Craig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 11:59:03 -0500 From: "Ryan Tassone" Subject: My 1/50th of a dollar: Streamofconsciousnessregardingrecenttopics: 1. I remember reading an RF interview somewhere, perhaps on this site, where he said 5/4 was his "natural" time, in much the same way 4/4 or 6/8 is for other musicians. A little strange to my ears, but he claims that the same is true in some places in (I think) Africa or South America, where 5/4 is a much more common meter. 2. Has anybody else noticed how many musicians participate in this forum? They tend to fall into two rough categories, either enthusiastic devotees to the "greats" of KC, or hardened industry pros who feel there's nothing worse than false modesty. Funny enough, I'm probably in the first population, although I can sometimes understand where the studio junkies are coming from. There's just so much to learn. 3. Somebody please help me here...y'know that website with the recent Belew, Mastellotto, and Levin interviews? I think it's called "Drummer Interviews." It's the one featured on Krimson News for the past few days. Anyway, this may seem minor, but the interviewer has this extrememely annoying habit of capitalizing every occurence of the words "you" or "me," (e.g. "Belew has influenced Me in more ways than I can count.") Either he's doing it out of weird respect for certain pronouns, or maybe it's like the biblical "Him"...I dunno. All I know is that it's very difficult to read for me, because every time he does it in the middle of a sentence, I think he's starting a NEW sentence! Not only that, but he capitalizes the "you's" and "me's" in the responses from Belew, Levin, etc.! Levin: "Yeah, working with Robert is less challenging than You might expect. For Me, it was a learning experience..." And so on. That's not verbatim, just an example. I feel like Seinfeld, ranting about this little detail, but it gets on my nerves! 4. My least favorite song by KC is "Cirkus," but I love listening to it, purely for a chuckle. Gordon makes me burst into giddy laughter with his burrish Sean Connery-esque "squeezed me to her breast" and "bareback ladies have fish." It's the most embarassing marriage of completely nonsensical lyrics with a conservative Otis Redding fan vocalist, with absolutely hilarious results. 5. I never got too many opinions about this...Bill Bruford departed from the group, as I understand, as a result of Fripp pushing him towards fully electronic drums, and also because Bill's approach of polyrhythmically playing against the other musicans was deeply disturbing to Fripp. For a brief period after Bruford's departure, this made perfect sense, as Pat Mastellotto played on a 100% digital V-drum kit, and with comparatively standard, solid rhythms that weren't very intrusive sonically or otherwise. But now Pat's got a kit similar to the old Bruford one, with "Paiste metals" and acoustic drums back in the mix, albiet with the addition of background sequences. And his playing is more bombastic and polyrhythmic than ever! Does this mean that after a few years, Fripp will start writing in his diary, "I'm having problems with Pat. He's disrupting my time, and he plays too much. Too many fills, and the sound of his toms are too 20th century. I am developing a migraine"? Or am I oversimplifying the whole situation? Until next time, Ryan ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #956 ********************************