Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #950 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 950 Sunday, 3 March 2002 Today's Topics: Some thoughts about The Toxic Tome. Re: King Crimson named after a Tree? Re: I have a Crimso CD Question a plug for Level 5, and the worst KC Weak? Happy to be alive Should I buy..... Thanks for the Help Re: RF's stage persona Re: Women in Crimson Re: I Resemble That Remark Re: Good Music Life Beyond Guitar Craft? Re: Worst KC tune ELP/Least fave KC tunes/Gd music Re: Some Women in KC Potential!! Re: fallen angel Asia and ELP WOMEN IN CRIMSON Bill Nye the Science Guy ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:09:38 -0500 From: "Ryan Tassone" Subject: Some thoughts about The Toxic Tome. 1. Adrian Belew's real name is ROBERT! Isn't that odd? 2. Re: Timekeeping. The sections regarding the Fripp-Bruford disagreements got me wondering...so I went back and listened to the middle of "Starless" at Central Park '74, and found Bill's time was indeed very halting and usually just behind the beat. This, I can understand Fripp being cross about; but I can't find anything in the 80's Crim rhythm section that I'd change. Bill had a vocabulary of unique sounds and patterns that seemed to compliment the whole gamelan style of composition perfectly. Fripp commented about Bruford "playing against the grain," which I found strange, when you compare it to Fripp's lauding of Pat Mastelotto's approach (p. 300): "It's the Crimson Drummer Virus at work! If everyone else is on the beat, why should the drummer be?" And come to think of it, Pat does some pretty fancy polyrhythmic stuff, having learned from BB in much the way BB learned from Muir. And now that PM has acoustic drums back in the equation, what could Fripp possibly have! to say about Bruford concerning their differences? 3. I disliked Smith's opinions on particular songs making their way into the book as they did. He doesn't even preclude them with "in this author's opinion..."--it's just, "Waiting Man is better on the album; Sartori in Tangier is better live; Easy Money is weak in the studio; Two Hands is weak, period." Just let the band members voice their opinions, I would say. 4. I'm curious, simply for fanatical reasons, what Fripp's religious/spiritual ideas are, other than those involving discipline or "redemption." The footnote about his involvement in Wicca interested me, as did his following the teachings of Gurdjieff, a theosophist who claimed to have had visitations from Tibetan Masters. My gut tells me he is probably more Western than Eastern in his thinking, but I'd like to learn more. 5. I wonder why Smith went through the trouble of picking apart the McDonald-Giles album piece by piece, and only made a passing mention of the ProjeKcts. I was left wanting to know more about the whole experience of fraKctalising, improvising, and so forth... That's all. Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:03:13 -0700 From: "Proginoskes" Subject: Re: King Crimson named after a Tree? "Eric Oliver" <046365o at acadiau dot ca> wrote: > > I was like, wow, is King > Crimson named after a kind of red maple tree! I'd like to read some posts on > what you guys think. All right ... you asked for it! I find it highly unlikely that KC is named after a tree. It is generally assumed that they took the name from a synonym for Satan. (Yes, we ARE devil-worshippers!!! 8-).) The name of the tree might also be named after the same entity. An interesting coincidence ... ... Or is it? 8-) Perhaps the next tour of KC will feature the Canadian flag (a red maple leaf) as a logo, like they did with the five-fingered hand of Discordia seven years ago (as the double trio)? And speaking of the double trio: we now have a "double duo"; the next step is a "double solo", of course. Then we run into trouble. -- Christopher Heckman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:18:44 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: I have a Crimso CD Question >anyone outside of the USA get something called "The Guide to Larks' Tongue In Aspic (part 1-4)"? it's on the DGM label listed as >"International King Crimson's Fan Club, Special Edition". I got this on ebay and I am wondering where the live recordings were taken from. im in the usa, and i know nothing about this, but im now interested- what is on this release (and how long are the tracks?). ive never even seen this on my many travels through the king crimson stuff on ebay. -jordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:43:19 EST From: Bknt at aol dot com Subject: a plug for Level 5, and the worst KC Just in case anyone is still hesitating, Level Five is worth it for the title track. It's an absolute blast, performed with great intensity and juiced up with a ton of reverb so it hits you in the gut even if you're listening on headphones. The rest of the tracks are not as poundingly profound but, SOMETIMES you buy the disc for one tune. This one is worth it. It unites numerous and various thematic elements in the Larks Tongue series, Fractured and that unforgettable League of Gentlemen chart topper, "Oooooh, Mr. Fripp." As for the worst KC song, McArthur Park. When Our Ade breaks into that line "someone left the penis out in the rain, and I don't think that I can lose it, because it took so long to bruise it, and I'll never have a use for it again, oh no!" well, I think we just have to let artists BE that way. Bill Kent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:03:22 +1100 (EST) From: Will Dayble Subject: Weak? I couldn't help noticing Darin Lemieux's and Richard Bunker's propositions that the songs Elephant Talk and TCOL had lyrics that were 'nothing of value'. It might just be me, but the lyrics in question in both of these songs are _great_. They both serve their purpose in their respective songs and albums, and can you really ask more? I was actually quite pleasantly surprized when the aliens penis line came along in TCOL (you gotta admit, it was good for a change), and I can't remember the amount of times the lyrics to Elephant Talk have been quoted by friends in fitting situations... I think ET is also one of the few songs I find myself very loudly singing (speaking?) along to while in public... That in itself is enough to qualify them as good lyrics in my book. (I do remember once saying "Talk? It's only Talk!" to a tram conductor once.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:02:06 -0500 From: Martin Roberts Subject: Happy to be alive Good lord, why are there so many argumentative people posting to this discussion forum? Surely none of us is so intelligent or knowledgeable that we can be pessimistic and combative about any subject posted here. Yeah, you have tastes and opinions, but so do all of the billions of people on this planet. Quit sniping and start discussing with open minds the things that interest you. Take a look at other points of view and just appreciate the fact that you are alive and able to enjoy KC and all the other amazing things in this world. I'm sure I'll get some 'blah-blah-blah' comments but just remember, children and old people both see life the same simple way as they start and finish it- they are simply happy to be alive. Take a lesson there! Cheers Martin Martin C. Roberts ------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:18:30 -0600 From: "Brandon S." Subject: Should I buy..... I've recently purchased the double cd "B'Boom", from 1994 in Argentina. Having this, would it be worth it to buy "Vrooom Vrooom" from last year? I know that disc one is all from Mexico City, but I think that disc two is from the same shows as "B'Boom", right? Well, I could use the help, so I can either spend 20+ dollars wisely, or save it in the same fashion. Thank you. Mr. Brandon Stanley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:40:38 EST From: NotoriousAWOL at aol dot com Subject: Thanks for the Help Dear fellow Crimheads, Special thanks to Guertin Pierre for helping me "research(ing) the web at even the most basic level" ( ouch! ) to obtain the lyrics to Dr. Diamond. Yours, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:57:09 EST From: Wilcox660 at aol dot com Subject: Re: RF's stage persona I'm pretty sure that RF's stage "persona" is this guy sitting & playing guitar. Playing very well, I might add. If Fripp does not behave the way many other performers do on stage - well, diversity is part of what makes life so interesting. John A.Wilcox ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 09:20:32 -0800 From: Steve Arnold Subject: Re: Women in Crimson In ET #949, "Jim" asked: > I think there's only been two women to record on a Crimson album. Judy Dybl > who sang "I Talk to the Wind" on the "Young Person's Guide" record, > basically an historical oddity. Paulina Lucas provided the ethereal soprano > on the Sailor's Tale; I've always loved the interplay between her voice and > Mel's sax. There have been some great female vocalists on some of the side > projects however. To my ear, Terry Roche showed on Fripp's "Exposure", that > she could carry the mellow tunes (Mary) and the heavy tunes (Exposure) > equally well. Annette Peacock has some great vocals on Bill Bruford's "Feels > Good to Me." Toyah did a creditable job on "Sunday All Over the World" > singing with Robert and Trey, particularly on "Kneeling at the Shrine," and > I love the interplay between her spoken voice and Robert's guitar on "The > Lady or the Tiger." So, are there any women vocalists or musicians out there > today that would add some interest to the current band? I love those Bruford discs (Feels Good To Me and One Of a Kind) but I prefer it when Annette Peacock *doesn't* sing 8-) Those Bruford, Berlin, Holdsworth, and Stewart jams are just too cool... Toyah's not too bad on Sunday; it was her vocals on Trey's Third Star that made me go out and get Sunday. However, the whole Sunday disc is a little hard to take (but I'm not sure why). How about that Serpentine lady on Trey's discs? (One Thosuand Years and The Third Star). Her vocals on Indiera are "interesting" to say the least... As far as weird female musicians, I'll have to cogitate on that one for a bit. Ah, Ruth Underwood and Bruford would be very cool... Steve -- ********************************************************** Steve Arnold http://arnolds.dhs.org:8080 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 10:26:51 -0800 From: Steve Arnold Subject: Re: I Resemble That Remark This guy, wviland at thin-film dot com, went blah, blah, blah: On slowly getting more excited about the new material: The same thing has been happening to me. I liked a couple of cuts off TCOL right away, but most of the new tunes made me go "huh?". But after repeated listenings, it's all grown on me. The only thing I still find annoying is the trash can lid on Prozac Blues (but it *is* a blues tune...). I guess I can't take off my instructor's hat, so I'll have to take exception to this: > Then some Geek started blowing his horn about MP3ing all his Crimson > stuff..... AND! blah, blah, blah...... don't > bother with CD's anymore. > > Well, I don't have time for all this download and rip-off MP3 shit. [snip] First, "ripping" is slang for Digital Audio Extraction, which just means "sucking the data off an audio CD directly in digital format". And it's not techno-geek shit these days; on Linux I just put a new CD in and grip automatically rips the tracks to .wav files, encodes them as mp3s, and plops them in a directory named after the artist, disk, and song titles. I can copy them to my server (for streaming) or burn them to CD (in mp3 or cdaudio format) or store them on a 60 gig hard disk (and so can you). And edna is only one of the ways you can listen to your entire KC collection with one or two mouse clicks - winamp and xmms can both load and play directories of mp3s, create playlists, etc. Second, except for those few free downloads, all my mp3s are bought and paid for, including my own stuff (but the price was a little different). On the visual aspects of KC: For a real treat, whether you're playing CDs or mp3s, try Cthuga. There are Linux and winoze versions of this software (the windoze version even has built-in CD controls). It works with any video card and full-duplex sound card, but if you have a 3Dfx-based graphics card, it will do some serious 3D video based on the spectral characteristics of the music. You can add your own graphics, customize the color schemes, etc. Both winamp and xmms (and many others I'm sure) also have music visualization stuff, but I haven't seen anything come close to Cthuga: http://www.afn.org/~cthugha/ There's even a cthuga plugin for winamp now: http://www.vanderbilt.edu/~jbrassil/brazwc.html And KC defininitely provides some cool visual effects... Steve -- ********************************************************** Steve Arnold http://arnolds.dhs.org:8080 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 20:06:04 +0000 From: "Dave Allen" Subject: Re: Good Music Just some thought concerning Brandon Thorp's post on progressive rock (#948). Obviously, this guy isn't the first to voice any of the opinions he's condescended to share with us in his "humble" and "heartfelt" post. He's clearly adopted all the standard rhetoric the mainstream media has propagated since the late 70s with regard to "progressive rock". Many people of my generation (born in the late 70s) choose to adopt these views instead of acknowledging ignorance, or exploring the music themselves and making up their own minds. Due to an interest in music, and a lack of interest in the largely boring and mediocre shit masquerading as music since the late 70s, I've personally been forced to explore music from before my time most of my life. Out of all bands I've heard labeled as "prog", only about 50% of KC (and some Soft Machine and Hatfield & the North if you count them) would I rank among my favorite music. However, I still enjoy listening to a great deal of the music from other "prog" bands as well, and find it far more stimulating musically than the humble (read "inept") music of most punk, proto-punk, singer-songwriters, etc. These genres often serve for people who would rather write a book or write poetry but know there's little chance of fame or $ in it so they pimp music to this end and compensate by passing their sorry asses off as "honest" and "humble". Fuck them. My understanding is that many of the original so-called progressive rock bands (as well as other related bands of the 70s, such as Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, etc.) became massively successful commercially, largely without the support of mainstream media. At the time it was "the music that mattered", not the image, and promotion was largely word of mouth. Of course, this would have been seen as a threat to mainstream music journalism, and it retaliated by creating/supporting the "punk movement", furnishing it with its codes, uniform, ethics, enemies, and heroes. Seeing as most music journalists are failed musicians, it's no wonder they, then and now, support a movement that allows the talentless and ignorant (and ugly) to get a slice of the pie. As if entertainment journalism itself weren't enough! So Brandon, before you adopt other people's views and tastes, however fashionable they may be, and however desperate you may be to impress "the people that matter", you may want to consider the economic and political forces that have shaped and distorted those views and tastes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 12:43:28 -0800 From: "Mark Tucker" Subject: Life Beyond Guitar Craft? >Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:27:21 -0500 >From: Joan Bull >Subject: GC / Bennett / Gurdjieff >In response to Mark Tucker's post about various methods of schooling: >rather than write about something you have no firsthand knowledge of, why >not verify for yourself? JoanBull I'm not sure what you're referring to here. If educational methodologies: I graduated high school replete with honors classes (but found it an empty experience); attended some JC (found that empty); attended some college (New College, Fla., where Arnold Toynbee used to teach - found that to be a baby sitting service for the rich); was on-staff at The Delphian Foundation, an alternative educational foundation (one of the few worthwhile educational services I ever discovered); consulted with Montessori and Suzuki re: methodologies; and am presently a tutor for students whom the public schools are so egregiously failing to educate properly (a thoroughly uncontroversial fact supported by volumes and volumes of data). I've also read Gurdjieff, Bennett, Ouspensky and others (though I am not a devotee of the quasi-religion) and about the only thing I haven't participated directly with, in amongst all those things I mentioned, is Fripp's Guitar Craft events, though I know a number of people who have and have quizzed them re: his (what, from a distance seems to be an) excellent teaching philosophy. I am a guitarist (oops! I'm not supposed to lay claim to that title!) but not serious about it, hence I don't intend to attend Guitar Craft. I think this horrible horrible lack can be forgiven most anyone without fear of charges of hideous experiential deficiencies. I think could still render facts and opinions, and have experiences, despite this life-threatening absence. So what, exactly, is this lack you're accusing me of, in this "firsthand experience" phrase you've used? But , let me guess the true reason for your disgruntlement: you're a public school teacher perhaps? My sincerest sympathies. Look a little closer at what Robert's doing and entertain thinking outside the box. That's how excellence is achieved. The public schools forgot that LONG ago. -marc- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:27:56 -0600 (CST) From: Sergio Subject: Re: Worst KC tune Gordon Taylor (GORTAY at aol dot com) wrote: >The two worst bands in the world ever were Emerson >Lake and Palmer and Asia. Now, Mr. Taylor, if you just could explain me (us?) the musical-theoretical process through which you could declare that about ELP and Asia? [ Take this onto private email, please -- Toby ] Waiting for your reply, Sergio Arroyo ==== "Cada vez que el hombre y la mujer se reunen para reconstruir al Arquetipo, conforman algo terrible: la pareja" Juan Jose Arreola (1918-2001) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 22:02:23 +0000 (GMT) From: njw100 at soton dot ac dot uk Subject: ELP/Least fave KC tunes/Gd music Worst bands ever Asia & ELP? ELP r awesome! yes theyve recorded some rotten old rubbish in their time but so many artists have, just 4 sheer . . . oh, why bother - if somebody hates ELP they hate ELP & there is nothing fans like me can do about it! Id say my least fave KC tunes r 'Heartbeat' & the vocal half of 'Construction Of Light'. Just find them 2 b a bit 2 poppy 4 my tastes. And on2 the main reason why i sent this post: I have 2 say that i have never actually been incensed by a post ive read on ET b4 i perused Brandon Thorp's guide 2 'Good Music'. Over the course of his post he espoused so many of the attitudes about music that i so utterly despise. Wot, oh wot is so wrong with enjoying music because it is well played? Why is it deemed so right 2 enjoy the work of an artist because he is a VIRTUOSO COMPOSER but on the other hand so wrong 2 enjoy an artist because he is a VIRTUOSO MUSICIAN? Oh, it's because virtuoso musicians r just showing off right? Yes, Carl Palmer is 'just showing off' when he plays a 5 min drum solo. But wot about the Paul Simon song that Brandon eulogises over? I haven't heard it but surely Paul Simon is 'just showing off' his ability 2 write a great pop melody. Both seem 2 me 2 b equally self indulgent acts! Brandon, who r these people u speak of who only like music if its really well played? I have NEVER met somebody who ONLY (sorry, ill try 2 keep my voice down folks!) likes Prog. NEVER! Im not sure these people exist. Unfortunately people with attitudes like Brandon do exist. People who say things like [yes, not an exact quote, i know!] 'I cant stand the Velvet Underground either, but they were great'. Wot the f*ck does that mean? How r VU 'great' if u 'cant stand stand them'? Theyre 'great' in your eyes just because arty w*nkers who look down down on prog have told u theyre 'great'. Yes, lets all w*nk over VU just cos they're fashionable! U either like an act or u dont. I love VU but not cos theyre fashionable. I actually try 2 stay away from 'fashionable groups' because i dont want people 2 think i am the sort of person who only buys 'fashionable' music 4 the sake of it. I've been put off buying any ,4 example, Nick Drake or Tom Waits LPs, 4 a while, because theyre 'fashionable artists' . . . Who gives a f*ck if Steve Howe is a classical guitarist or not? Ive never heard any1 actually suggesting he IS 1 but . . . Brandon, youre the 1 who suggests that it is all about the music - well take your own advice! Just LISTEN 2 Steve Howe playing his guitar & stop, while ur listening, thinking 'Ooh i do so get annoyed when people suggest that Steve Howe is a classical guitarist!'. Instead just listen 2 him playing his goddam guitar. Or indeed dont! And given, Brandon, that in ur post u use such phrases as 'Who among you could deny?' and 'This makes him wrong - its not even a matter of opinion. He's wrong', you come across as the sort of person who will not listen 2 some1's music but choose 2 criticise it based on what you've been told you SHOULD like! I hope i am wrong in making this assumption about your person. Thanx 4 reading this. Hope it wasnt 2 long 4 yall. I assure u my next post will b a happier 1! (probably) Nick Whittaker Southampton University np: MOBY, Play ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:15:23 EST From: LabCSA at aol dot com Subject: Re: Some Women in KC Potential!! To all ETers, regarding women in KC...please don't forget the very fine CDs by the Roche Sisters!! Their 1979 issue "The Roches" was produced by Robert & had instrumental contributions from Fripp, Levin and (interestingly) Larry Fast, who is presently touring/recording with Tony Levin! Also, the Roche's 1982 "Keep On Doing" was produced by RF and featured Fripp, Levin AND Bill Bruford!! The combination of lush female vocal harmonies plus the instrumentals that we love make for some fine listening! Enjoy, & Peace to All!! Let us all get along on ET...Cheers, Charles Stack, Chicago IL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:31:05 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: fallen angel > I think I have to give my votes to "Fallen Angel" and "TCOL" for most insipid lyrics. I am thinking specifically of >Switchblade stings in one tenth of a moment >Better get back to the car from "Fallen Angel." This is so colossally stupid....that it speaks for >itself. I suspect that certain band members agree with my assessment, since I seem to remember that "Fallen Angel" is one of a very, very >short list of KC songs that have never been publicly performed. It is a shame, because the music in the second half of the song is in fact quite >powerful. i have to agree with you there. I was thinking about this today because i was listening to Red a lot lately, and i really love Fallen Angel but when i listen to the lyrics, its just so stupid. its nothing to what lyrics should be in Crimson. But i think Another Red Nightmare is worse. i think that ARN is a song that shouldnt have any lyrics at all, it ruins the song. But as for Fallen Angel, it works with lyrics, just maybe different ones. I LOVE the song itself though, it really gets to me. About performing live, actually ii know of a bootleg show where Fallen Angel is performed.. but guess how? as an instrumental, and im really interested in getting it. But i also really dont like the lyrics of The Letters, TCOL and ProzaKc Blues. i think The Letters is pretentious bullshit, and i just had a strong distaste for most of the lyrics on the TCOL album. I had already gotten tired of Belews lyrics in which he just goes on listing things, and while i dont mind it in Elephant Talk, i think it works quite well actually for the song (but i actually tend to not like listening to that song over some of the otehrs because the lyrics sometimes bother me, despite how much i love the song). There was a bit of that listing in the 80s, and now its back in the 90s and present, and i dont really like it. and i havent liked ProzaK Blues since it came out, and i still dont.. in any way. i listened to it maybe twice since i bought the album, and i dont plan to again for a while. But i like this lyrics idea, because ive had my problems with Crimson lyrics on the 69-72. but i cant think of any songs that stand out to me except of The Letters right now, because i particularly noted that one when i listen to it. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 12:20:55 +1100 From: Chris Keane Subject: Asia and ELP Gordon Taylor's observations re KC members being responsible for the formation of ELP and Asia are mildly amusing but also fairly stupid. He has also been pretty tough on Greg Lake and John Wetton. As far as I am concerned, Keith Emerson is fairly and squarely responsible for ELP's worst excesses (and there were many). If you have any doubt about this, just borrow (rather than buy) a Nice compilation....you'll discover that KE was butchering classics before GL was even on the scene. I confess I'm biased because I love ITCOTCK and ITWOP and Lake's voice is one of the things I love about them. As for Asia, well Gordon, I think you have missed the point completely. Let's face it, Asia was a cash cow, nothing more, nothing less. There a plenty of outstanding musicians - and quite a few KC members among them - who have resorted to the lowest common denominator to keep the bank balance healthy. Bill Bruford is always credited with getting out of Yes before they really lost the plot and drowned in a topographic ocean. However, he played with Genesis in the post-Gabriel era and was also around the place when Yes recorded a truly appalling record called "Union" at the end of the 1980's. Having said that, if BB didn't participate in "Union" and the subsequent tour chances are Earthworks may never have happened...and that would have been a tragedy. Like BB, John Wetton, with the right personnel around him, is a class act. By the way Gordon, if you are right about Asia and ELP being the two worst prog rock outfits of all time, what does that say for Carl Palmer ? Also, thank you Darin Lemieux for your comments on KC's worst. Some would say you were indulgent but I enjoyed the read...but then I agree with everything you said! Also, will we ever see any KC alumni in Australia ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 00:01:33 -0500 From: "MALCOLM XERXES" Subject: WOMEN IN CRIMSON So, are there any women vocalists or musicians out there today that would add some interest to the current band? JIM, My first choice for female KRIMSONITE would also be MS. TERRE ROCHE, but I would not be upset by the inimitable MS. DIAMANDA GALAS, either! The woman who sings on TG'S album, who is neither ALICE nor TOYAH sounds rather good, as well. I consider SUNDAY ALL OVER THE WORLD to be a fraKctalisation of KRIMSON, so I have been served by MS. WILLCOX already, and with her solo album that shows her on the cover with her mouth obscured by her hand. MS. PAULA COLE would be marvellous, too, and has proven her fitness for such a responsibility many times over. ************************************************************************ I am the only one who rates this album? Spot the jazz 'references' ... Geoff GEOFF, I am rather fond of the album, myself, especially THE BATTLE OF GLASS TEARS, but I don't know what you mean by "references". ************************************************************************ In response to Mark Tucker's post about various methods of schooling: rather than write about something you have no firsthand knowledge of, why not verify for yourself? JoanBull JOAN, "More good advice could hardly be packed into 1 sentence than there is there!" ************************************************************************ b) worst: Ladies of the Road. Someone wanna tell me what the hell Peter Sinfield was thinking with this one? It seems like he just missed the mark on whatever he was trying to do with that one. DARIN, I thought that this song was the cleverest satire on groupies that I have ever heard in the Rock idiom by any songwriter, both celebratory & lamenting. ************************************************************************ http://www.malcolmxerxes.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:52:50 -0800 From: Spike Subject: Bill Nye the Science Guy My 12 year old daughter came home from school the other day and told me that she had heard the Sunday All Over the World lady sing about photosynthesis on a Bill Nye the Science Guy video that her science class watched. So she played the CD and exclaimed about the title song, "That is almost the song they played!" I checked the faq and there is no mention. Did the whole band record this? Details anybody? Take it easy, Spike ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #950 ********************************