Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #943 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 943 Wednesday, 20 February 2002 Today's Topics: greatest musician Re: underage readers Re: guitar teams Michael Hedges Cause of Death KC Soundscapes Re: The Bears; Michael Hedges; Guitarist at CGT/Levin shows; etc Re: Michael Hedges R.I.P. Re: Bruford played with "National Health"? Two acoustic guitar questions answered, and Japanese bonuses Re: joke Michael Hedges, Iron Maiden, and others Re: Michael Hedges What Is This "Best" Stuff About? Bears Concert on the Radio Nels Cline- Silencer cd (cut-out) fs ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:01:11 -0500 From: "Steven Paul Rewa B. S." Subject: greatest musician I saw Brandon Stanley's post asking for submissions of our favorite musicians so I'll give a short list. I mentioned before that Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull is my favorite. He plays so many instruments well and is a terrific song writer. A lot of people complain that he technically wasn't a very good flautist, but he's done some powerful things with it all the same which I think is deserving of a lot of credit. If you don't buy that argument, I can also suggest listening to his newest work. I think you'll find that hes miles ahead of where he was when he started. Lastly, I just want to point out that no one plays the claghorn quite like him. I also want to voice my fondness for Stephen Stills. I think he has the best voice in rock. He's got a timber and clarity that you don't find in many others. His guitar work is great as well. It may not be as technically impressive, but it has a feeling that's really excellent. Anon, -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:18:33 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: underage readers >Considering that most people have >lost their virginity by 14 since when was this a fact? i dont know that many people who have lost their virginity at 14, and im still a teenager myself. but also i dont think that post was intended to draw such a passionate reaction, i think it was more to the point of saying that Josette is very sexual, not trying to belittle the intelligence of younger people. but maybe it was.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:39:30 -0600 From: "Willard Baks" Subject: Re: guitar teams In response to Caleb Bradley's post I'd like to state that I too am a fan of the Adrian Smith/ Dave Murray guitar team. Also Adrian Smith with Roy Z on Bruce Dickinson's solo album The Chemical wedding is also a superb team up. Some of my other favorite guitar teams are... 1) Robert Fripp / Adrian Belew (obviously) 2) Porl Thompson / Robert Smith of The Cure 3)Adam Jones / Justin Chancelor of Tool ( I know Justin is a bassist but he plays alot of interchangeable guitar like parts with Jones) 4)The California Guitar Trio 5)John Lennon /George Harrison 6) Paganini/ Hendrix...in my dreams anyway ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:56:35 -0500 From: Neil Wicker Subject: Michael Hedges Cause of Death In response to John Moshier's question regarding Michael Hedges' untimely death: He was killed in an auto accident. I do not know the particulars, but I heard about it that day on NPR news (he was a favorite of Public Radio). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 18:37:33 -0800 From: "Garp" Subject: KC Soundscapes lawrence moseley wrote: "One thing I'd love to know about Soundscape arrangements is whether KC songs could be played in this way. Seriously. A Starless (for example)Soundscape would be very interesting. I know they're improvised but I'm fairly sure RF would remember how to play it." I do recall seeing a Frippertronics show--I believe it was at The Kitchen (but could have been the WS Church) that RF created a very familar chord pattern at the end of one of his pieces. He used to turn the tapes over during the second set and play solos over the playback. When that point was repeated he played the Starless guitar theme and I must admit that I got quite a chill. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:31:14 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: The Bears; Michael Hedges; Guitarist at CGT/Levin shows; etc At 06:00 PM 2/16/02 GMT, Arnie wrote: > >Can anyone direct me to a place, physical or electronic, where I can purchase >the first two Bears cds? Regrettably these have been out of print for some time. However, I know Adrian is making some effort at bringing them back. He would also like to release the classic Lone Rhino and Twang Bar King albums. And John T. wrote: >Neil Wicker wrote (ET #940) that Michael Hedges died in 1997. What >incredibly sad news this was to me. My wife and I saw him live no less than >3 times, and he always put on an incredibly satisfying and entertaining >show. We have often wondered why we hadn't heard anything from him >recently. At the risk of being morbid, could someone let me know how we >happened to lose such a talented musician at such an untimely age? A very tragic car accident. If memory serves it happened during extremely bad winter weather on a treacherous road. His car left the road and went down an embankment. He wasn't found till some days afterwards. Definitely a tragedy that stunned family, friends and fans! and Roy wrote: >I saw California Guitar Trio last year (or was it 2+ years ago?!?!) at the >Bottom Line in NYC with special guest Tony Levin. Great show of course. I'm >wondering WHO the guitarist was that opened the show - he's left a lasting >impression and I want to search for recordings of his. Thanks in advance to >anyone that responds. I believe the person you're referring to is Richard Leo Johnson. You'll find his recordings listed at . Richard also opened up for Crimson at one of their Nashville shows. He's drawn comparisons to many diverse artists, among them the aforementioned Michael Hedges. And Peter wrote: >I heard that Bruford played once with "Nation Health" but haven't been able >to find any confirmation for that. Does anybody know anything like that? If >he did - was it just an occasion or what? This is true, although it was for a brief time. Fortunately, though, it was captured for posterity and Bill can be found on seven of twelve tracks on the National Health/Missing Pieces CD. . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:09:25 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: Michael Hedges R.I.P. >Neil Wicker wrote (ET #940) that Michael Hedges died in 1997. What >incredibly sad news this was to me. Sad news it was, indeed..... >My wife and I saw him live no less than >3 times, and he always put on an incredibly satisfying and entertaining >show. I had the pleasure of catering his (vegetarian) meals twice whilst he was performing in Dallas, & he was always more than gracious. Great guy & a tremendous performer. His talent was not limited to the guitar. He was also a flutist, vocalist, composer, & more........... (I always thought his experimental work w/ tape was extremely interesting, but he never pursued it much after "Aerial Boundaries". >We have often wondered why we hadn't heard anything from him >recently. At the risk of being morbid, could someone let me know how we >happened to lose such a talented musician at such an untimely age? Michael was driving along one of those treacherous mountain roads in northern Calif during a rainstorm at night, & lost control of his car. It took about a week until they found his body......... > I once read a newspaper preview describing "the guitar ledgerdemain" of >Michael Hedges. What an apt description! I have never seen anyone do the >things with an acoustic guitar that Hedges did. If anyone is interested in >checking out perhaps the most inovative acoustic guitar player in recent >history, may I suggest "Live on the Double Planet" as a great starting >place. Problem is, you cannot properly appreciate his prowess w/o actually seeing his performance. As you said, "I have never *seen* anyone do the things with an acoustic guitar that Hedges did". A great loss.............. ~Craig ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:17:35 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: Bruford played with "National Health"? >I heard that Bruford played once with "Nation Health" but haven't been able >to find any confirmation for that. Does anybody know anything like that? If >he did - was it just an occasion or what? >Peter Yes, he did,... briefly. You can experience his work w/ them on their CD "Missing Pieces". ~Craig ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 02:05:34 -0500 From: "Steve Smith" Subject: Two acoustic guitar questions answered, and Japanese bonuses Quick answers to two acoustic guitar-related questions from ET 941: >From: "Moshier, John T" >Subject: Michael Hedges > >Neil Wicker wrote (ET #940) that Michael Hedges died in 1997. [snip] At the risk of being morbid, could someone let me know how we >happened to lose such a talented musician at such an untimely age? Sadly, Hedges died in an automobile accident. >From: Roy Beardsley >Subject: Guitarist at CGT/Levin shows last year? > >I saw California Guitar Trio last year (or was it 2+ years ago?!?!) at the >Bottom Line in NYC with special guest Tony Levin. Great show of course. I'm >wondering WHO the guitarist was that opened the show - he's left a lasting >impression and I want to search for recordings of his. His name is Richard Leo Johnson, and he has two recordings available on Blue Note. Finally, the main reason that so many Japanese releases include bonus tracks is to persuade Japanese shoppers to buy domestic - otherwise they might just as well buy cheaper imports from the US and Europe, available in abundance and often less expensive, and thus the domestic record companies would suffer as a result. Steve Smith ssmith36 at sprynet dot com NP - Ravel, L'heure espagnole (Opera D'Oro) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:26:18 +0100 From: "claus" Subject: Re: joke Hello everybody, In the last newsletter there was a Joke from RF's unplugged tapes. "How do you make a guitarist stop playing? Put the sheet music in front of him." Well, I know another way: hand him a joint. c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 12:28:36 -0600 From: "RadioactiveToy71" Subject: Michael Hedges, Iron Maiden, and others > At the risk of being morbid, could someone let me know how we > happened to lose such a talented musician at such an untimely age? John, I believe Michael Hedges died in a car accident in California. I could be wrong about that, but that's what I can recall... Such a tragic loss. Wonderfully talented musician. In the same issue, ET 941, Caleb Bradley posted: > Dave Murray and Adrian Smith from Iron Maiden. It may sound cheezy, but > these guys make a STELLAR team [edit] I'm interested in hearing about other > people's views on this. Well, as far as twin lead playing goes, there's not a doubt in my mind that Adrian and Davey were at the top of their game in the 1980's. I noticed a distinct stylistic change when Adrian left in 1990, not that Janick Gers is a slouch...all fine players for what they were doing. If you dig twin lead metal, or classic rock, you can't really go too wrong with the Robertson/Gorham team of Thin Lizzy or Alice Cooper's team of Dick Wagner and Steve Hunter, especially on "Live and Dangerous" or "The Alice Cooper Show," respectively. And then Brandon Stanley: >Why don't you guys name off some of your favorite all around musicians, >not just confining it to the guitar?> Goodness, too many to name. Frank Zappa for composition and arrangement (not to mention having the knack for assembling stunningly awesome lineups--hard to believe Missing Persons was assembled from some of his players!); Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree for his musical vision and ability to execute excellence; Ian McKaye of Fugazi for his business savvy and dedication to his music and record label; Leonard Cohen for THAT VOICE; I could go on and on, but that would seriously put me in peril of being "dead threaded." As far as the idea of "best guitarist," I dunno bout that. Too many great talents and too many wasted talents all in the same bowl for me. If it affects or inspires me in some way, it makes my list. If it makes me groan and wince, it doesn't. I guess it's all relative to who one is and what he or she expects from music. Certainly Fripp is a stellar player, no doubt about that. One could go to the other end of the spectrum and make the same comment about, oh...the guy from Creed, Mark Tremonti. Not my cup of tea there, mind you, but there are people who respect and admire him as a player and I have to let it go at that. Besides, without a couple of platinum albums in my stable and an endorsement from a top guitar company, who am I to say he can't play? Must be doing something right. All the best, Chris np: Absent Lovers We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:52:39 +0000 From: s dot g dot westbrook at att dot net Subject: Re: Michael Hedges Michael Hedges see http://www.nomadland.com/ Someone else will be missed, Peter Bardens of CAMEL. http://camelproductions.com/News.htm Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:31:38 +0000 From: TheMincer at att dot net Subject: What Is This "Best" Stuff About? Hello,and Love To My Fellow E.T.Readers, I find that I MUST address this issue that I keep on seeing,rearing it's ugly head just when you think it's GONE forever! That issue,being who's "Best" at Guitar,Percussion,Bass,Keyboards,Sitar,WHATEVER...You get the picture! There Is NO Best,Only some VERY Amazing,VERY Talented Individuals at what they do best,PLAY THEIR INSTRUMENTS! If you care to "Categorize" Them as to the type of Music they perform,you MIGHT be able to come up with one Musician that's slightly more well versed in his ability.I used to do this also,until I finally figured out that it's TOTALLY FUTILE! Oh yeah,Jimmy Page,"BEST",Jaco Pastorius,"BEST",Bill Bruford,"BEST",Rick Wakeman,"BEST"...etcetera,etcetera,etcetera.WRONG!!! Jimmy Page IS without a doubt one of the GREATEST Guitarist/Musicians EVER,But as much as I love and respect him and his playing,I CANNOT say he's the "BEST".Maybe as a Blues/Rock Guitarist,YES,He WAY Excels some of his peers!But as an "all around" Guitarist,there are others that,well,just play the instrument just as well,only DIFFERENTLY!John Bonham was one of the MOST POWERFUL Rock Music Drummers I've ever witnessed performing,but as far as technique,he's no Terry Bozzio,or,Bill Bruford...He's just DIFFERENT! Musicians are ALL Different,that's what makes them who they are,and what they are,individuals in their own fields,Artist with a DIFFERENT type of Canvas.Please,RESPECT them for their talent,not their "speed",or their "style".They work hard to get where they are,and some that have the Talent of "The Pros",NEVER MAKE IT TO THE STUDIO...Only small time gigs.Robert Fripp has done more for the struggling Musician,than hundreds of Record Company "Executives" throughout years of their corrupt existence!So,next time you see a young guy working up a sweat while bending the strings,or a Drummer pounding his Drumkit into submission,please remember...They are working towards a goal! And the Odds aren't always in their favour.Give 'em a compliment,and LOT'S of encouragement! Thanks to Toby and All At E.T. for the Forum! Love Ya', Ric Wilson...Former FM Air Personality,And Dead Hippie...(I've Appalled Many)! P.S.Captain Beefheart Lives! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:09:50 EST From: ASchulberg at aol dot com Subject: Bears Concert on the Radio The first hour of the Bears performance on January 31st from the Club Cafe in Pittsburgh was simulcast on WYEP. Did anyone happen to record this? If so, please contact me offlist. I'd like to discuss acquring a copy. Arnie Schulberg aschulberg at charter dot net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:01:30 -0500 From: dan buxbaum Subject: Nels Cline- Silencer cd (cut-out) fs Hi all, Since there's been some discussion on Nels Cline on E-T and a recommendation for his Silencer cd on the Enja label, I figured i would post this blatant "for sale" post: I have a cut-out copy of this long OOP cd which i will sell to the first person who's interested for $13.00 (hope you think this price is fair) which includes shipping (unless the person is outside the U.S., add a dollar or so for that). The disc is in good condition. Sorry for this 'commercial-type' announcement.... ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #943 ********************************