Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #924 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 924 Tuesday, 25 December 2001 Today's Topics: Best of 2001 Guitar patterns price of touring/ep price Re: best of 2001 neuromancer / larks TDOTT -- Venereal Disease -- Christmas Trees CD and tour ticket prices New Dark Aether Project music -- Audience Distillation -- Price complaining not without merit Happy Birthday Adrian!!!! Merry Merry Happy Happy MR. GORDON HASKELL Neuromantic Fripp The Price Of CDs. Mute Larks Christmas Greetings Re: Radical Dance About KC in Finland Two KC Questions T.lev Cd release party Band member assembly ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 20:13:46 -0700 From: "Gordon Puls" Subject: Best of 2001 Thank you to Alexis for starting a best of 2001 thread! Especially with Fantomas at the top of your list. I have discovered some great things this year through Crimson fans (like Centrozoon and Hector Zazou), and I think it is a great idea, considering the wide variety of musical ideas we see in Elephant Talk. I would like to propose that the lists be non-crim related in the interest of exposing others to new things. Otherwise, "Level 5", "Live Encounter", Club 18 and "XtraKcts & ArtifaKcts" will end up being in everyone's list. So here are my top 5 discs of 2001: 1. Secret Chiefs 3 "Book M" (WOW!) 2. Tool "Lateralus" (I was not a huge Tool fan until this year, but I decided to check this disc out when Kc, The Melvins, and Fantomas all announced plans to tour with them. Now I find that the hinges on the jewel case of this disc are nearly worn away, and I know way too much about spiritual geometry and Area 51.) 3. Fantomas "Director's Cut" 4. Rollins Band "Nice" (Hey, they're enthusiastic and fun. Rollins is finally too much rock and roll for you at the ripe young age of 40. A guilty pleasure.) 5. Tomahawk- "Tomahawk" This probably should have been a step higher on my top 5 list, but Mike is capable of more challenging work and so are Duane, Kevin, and John, so they get bumped down to the bottom for underacheiving. Still a great piece of work compared to most of what's out there these days. Mike Patton and John Zorn both seem to be spreading themselves a little too thin- "The Gift" was another example of a piece of music I eagerly anticipated and was just a hair disappointed with this year. And for those waiting for Fripp's metal album- Honorable mention to Slayer and System of a Down for putting out two of the best heavy metal discs in the history of the genre this fall. It is not a genre I can listen to every day, but this was a great year for it. Slipknot put out a great new disc as well, but their ridiculous image, absurd live show (biting, venemous lyrics lose something when you have to sing them from behind a mask), and laughable fan base (12 year olds in make-up, a description that would also describe Britney Spears fans, presumably the future wives of these bouncy young Knot-too-brights) detract from their music to such an extent that I would hesitate to recommend them. That was my two cents (including postage), just in time for my 30th New Year's Day. Now let's hear about "Magnification" from some of the more mature folks on the board. G. Troy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 22:56:50 EST From: Joproducts at aol dot com Subject: Guitar patterns In a message dated 12/22/2001 3:04:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:10:13 -0800 > From: "Greg Danielak" > Subject: Origins of Fripp's pattern guitar work? > > Greetings, > > I thought this would be a good a place as any to have one of my questions > answered, after being a devoted lurker for so many months... okay, so we > know how Fripp came about with Frippertronics and Soundscapes... but does > anyone out there know how Fripp 'discovered' and materialized his > interlocking pattern guitar style i.e. "Discipline"? > > I heard a piece by minimalist composer Steve Reich the other day entitled > 'Electric Counterpoint', and though I don't know what year it is from, has > the exact same thing going on - tons of guitars all playing adjoining riffs > at different time signatures... very 'Crafty Guitarists'-esque. What > inspired or led Fripp to stumble upon the whole interlocking guitar > concept? > > Take care & happy holidays, > > Greg D. > > ~We can't go far on enthusiasm, but we don't go far without it.~ R.F. > > Much of the guitar work on "Discipline" is based on one of Reich's compositional techniques called "phasing". Two or more instruments play an identical musical line and then they began to drop a beat or "add a rest" as Reich calls it. The result is a constantly changing melody and a compositional process that can be heard. One of Reich's goals, as a reaction to twelve tone music, where the compositional process was only understood if one knew the sequence of tones, was to make the sound of the piece reflect the process used to compose it. This is one of the reasons that many of his pieces sound repetitive and are of an extended length. Reich's influence in this area, at least one of them, was Balinese Gamelan. I read many years ago that Fripp and Belew met at a Steve Reich concert. The "phrasing" that Fripp and Belew (and sometimes Levin) do is a much contracted version of what Reich does, but I believe it is the same concept. I studied the relationship between KC Discipline era and Reich almost twenty years ago, so this is the best that I can do off the top of my head. I apologise for any misinformation. Jim O'Donnell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 00:50:55 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: price of touring/ep price >Basically, it goes like this. While a 40 or 50 or 60 dollar ticket price >may seem steep to folks, when you factor in all the costs of touring, >these guys are barely breaking even. I'm not in a position to say if >they're making a small profit (i.e. paycheck) or incurring a small loss. you know i wonder if anyone has any idea of what they are talking abuot when they make this statement over and over. i hear this from so many people on this list, does anyone actually know the cost of touring? have you ever stood back and thought "hey you know there are bands that are 5 times the popularity of king crimson, who use more equitment and effects, and who play much much bigger venues and yet their tickets are only 30-45 dollars?" no not all band that do that charge 30-45 dollars, but i have never in my life seen a band charge 60 dollars to play at the beacon theater. and i know its a mix of the venue and the band, but evne still the fact remains, how many bands charge 60 dollars tickets for the beacon theater? if tickets for shows were always this much no one would go. king crimson just has a specific very hardcore devoted fan base composed mostly of people who have established families and careers and are willing to pay to see their favorite band. which is fine. thats why i went to the show in new haven for 40 bucks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:57:34 From: "Dan Ceo" Subject: Re: best of 2001 Here's my list of the best releases of 2001: 1. King Crimson-Level Five 2. Jeff Beck-You Had It Coming 3. Buffalo Springfield's Box Set 4. Radiohead-Amnesiac 5. Tool-Lateralus Mind you, I had to put KC at the top, 1.) Because I am an avid admirer of theirs; no criticism is going to make me feel different about their music, and 2.) Neither The Beatles nor The Stones have put out anything new, this year for more than obvious reasons (and I emphasize the word "new"). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 09:13:01 -0000 From: "Richard Adams" Subject: neuromancer / larks I was always under the impression that the music that Fripp came up with for the proposed Neuromancer film soundtrack metamorphosed into 'Vrooom' a few years later. He has stated that 'Vrooom' included a few ideas that were planned for 'Red', but he could just as easily have those ideas in mind when talking about the film work. And is it so hard to imagine 'Vrooom' under a 'Larks Tongues...' title? In the early 1990s Fripp started mentioning his plans for music only Crimson could play and began regrouping KC. The first version actually becoming the Sylvian / Fripp project (or should that be ProjeKct?). Tracks like 'Brightness Falls', or 'Firepower' have such Crimson riffs. As we know many classic Fripp / Crimson tunes have their genesis many years before they get heard. The new GGF Brondesbury Tapes shows how many of the original KC tunes had their origins in GGF. And the recent KCCC 1971 Detroit show has Fripp noodling after 'Groon' - and the music he plays is virtually identical to 'Mary' on 'Exposure'. Happy Christmas all. And let's hope and pray for a peaceful New Year, wherever you are in our world. Richard. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:26:49 +0000 From: "Dave Allen" Subject: TDOTT -- Venereal Disease -- Christmas Trees I'm hoping "The Deception of the Thrush" is given a studio recording for release on the upcoming "Nuovo Metal" album. The development/tightening of this piece (from P2, through HC[the album], to the L5 EP/tour) would seem to suggest this. Contrast between it's (TDOTT's) three main sections has steadily increased. On P2 - Live Groove, the transition between the intro/"talker-section", and RF's solo is hardly acknowledged by TG or AB. On P4's West Coast Live, this transition is marked by the hesitant-sounding rhythm section falling into a steady groove, as it is on both TDOTT's on HC as well. On the L5 EP version, however, the rhythm section, as such, is virtually non-existent during the "talker-section" (which, I feel, creates a stronger sense of atmosphere). RF begins his solo, very much "solo", and then TG and PM crash into the groove simultaneously on a down beat with nary the click of a drumstick. Could this transition get any more effective? (If memory serves, the version I heard at Massy Hall on the L5 tour was identical to the EP version in this respect, and relatively similar overall) The ensuing accompaniment to RF's solo on the L5 EP seems less improvisatory than previous versions. You can hear it setting into stone. TG's solo sounds closer to a song than an improvised solo (btw, did you notice TG's solo tagged to the end of track 2 on Masque? is this whole track TDOTT?) Even the "talker" has developed a strong character, its panicky recollections exuding real emotion and musicality. The slow-down transition between RF's solo and TG's solo appears to be pretty well worked out too, as it was also used on HC (disc 2, although this sounds more like a salvaged mistake on PM's part - the origin of the idea?). And the ending! Albeit a fairly standard final cadence, within the context of KC (where very little is standard) this ending has become, IMO, the most satisfying since that of LTIA 2. TDOTT would make an excellent final track for the new album. Does the second definition of the word "thrush" qualify it as a venereal disease? Could "The Deception of the Thrush" be "Ladies of the Road, Part 2"? ("I was frightened, I was frightened, I was frightened..." ["Frankenstein" version, HC, disc 3]) Is this the Christmas issue? MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!!! I've got a cool Crimso Christmas idea for you. Listen to TCOL (the tune) whilst gazing at your nearest lit-up Christmas tree! It's no Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz, but they DO sync up in a weird way. If you listen to the version on HC, be sure to listen to TDOTT as well, it's got sleigh bells! - An Observation by Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:26:19 -0600 From: Todd F Harrison Subject: CD and tour ticket prices Hi all, forgive me if this is redundant, but...I think we need to give the KC folks the chance to make a little money on the deal. They have offices, a website, and families to support. After all, they are just as wedded to the capitalist system as the rest of us are, whether we (or they) like it or not. If we look at the economics of touring, it's unlikely that even after the $65 ticket price the band is making a profit, or at least a large one, on the deal. Think hotels, equipment cartage, unions, airplanes, meals, etc. It may sound overly simplistic, but if some fans and posters don't want to support the current direction of the KC enterprise, perhaps they should keep their money in their wallets and try to influence the power structure that way. Just a thought. Thanks for listening. Todd in Chicago. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 12:32:38 -0500 From: Adam Levin Subject: New Dark Aether Project music We're pleased to announce that we have posted excerpts from three new tracks from the new album "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" as well as a full track listing and cover art available on The Dark Aether Project Web Site at http://www.darkaether.net/ "The Gentle Art of Firewalking" is due for release on January 26th, 2002. with a special CD release concert at Orion Studios in Baltimore MD with opening act Matthew Parmenter of the group Discipline performing a solo set. In addition to the new CD, previous Dark Aether Project releases including "Feed the SIlence" with special guest Markus Reuter of Europa String Choir will be available in very limited quantities The Dark Aether Project is: Allen Brunelle: Drums/Backing Vocals/Keyboards Jennifer Huff: Vocals Adam Levin: Warr 8 String Touchstyle Guitar/Bass/Guitar/Keyboards/Loops John McCloskey: Electric and Acoustic Guitars Marty Saletta: Keyboards/Stick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:06:26 +0000 From: "Dave Allen" Subject: -- Audience Distillation -- Just some thought concerning the blah, blah, blah, controversy surrounding Mr. Fripp's attitude toward audiences. Honestly, I listen to KC because I enjoy it. I've gotten more than my money's worth out of this band in sheer listening pleasure. RF has repeatedly put together an EXCEPTIONAL band here! Therefore, I give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his actions within his chosen field. Although I don't know if he'd say it quite like this (or if he sees it this way at all), as far as I can tell, RF's "controversial behavior" with regard to his "enthusiasts" can clearly be seen as a deliberate attempt to DISTILL his audience. Let me explain. There's an old saying (that I just invented): "If the personality of the chef affects your opinion of the food, then you have NO TASTE". Furthermore (I'm going somewhere with this), I'd guess that Monsieur Fripp's ideal audience would be one whose taste for music sympathized with that of the band's, and that the enjoyment of a good night with an audience like that is what he's in it for. So what good are people in the audience with no taste at all? Why, no good at all, of course! So, if he can repel these fuckers with behavior that takes less energy than it would to keep them around in the first place, why not? No reason at all, of course! Woo-hoo! Therefore, this "controversial behavior" indirectly increases the quality of the performance, for which I, for one, am very grateful. sincerely, Dave. P.S. if any of the band members read this, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! I hope I haven't totally misread RF's intentions (i.e. RESPOND! WOO-HOO! RESPOND!!!). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:35:59 -0500 From: "Peter Badore" Subject: Price complaining not without merit "Inturmoil at aol dot com" has my attention: $21.95 for a dozen roses? Are they the long-stemmed variety? That's a STEAL from over here! I can't find them cheaper than $36! I'll try to keep you in mind for Mother's Day!!! The recently bickering about prices that has been going on here of late, combined with my, er, continuing correspondence with Michael Sheehan has brought forward a thought that no one has even considered: What are we getting FOR our money? I have no qualms regarding prices per se, as long as we get our money's worth. I support independent dealers and artists and will happily pay $15 or $16 for a FULL-LENGTH CD, even if Michael will not pay $29.95 for "B'Boom" (see also under his archival submission). I did not grumble over the $47.50 admission price to the Buffalo gig. What I find exasperating is the excuse musicians and artists make passing "love of art" and their expressed passion as excuses for capitalism. I now look at my Soundscapes equipment/ID game in a different light. Those Eventide Harmonizers run about $2500 or so apiece, assuming Robert purchases them and doesn't receive them as promotional products. Most of his other devices run between$1500-$2000 each. Does he really need FOUR delay systems, THREE harmonizers, and just about every expensive effects device under the sun when, in 1994, a simpler system was used to the same effect (NPI)? I prefer to use the earlier version as my model (still quite an expense with cheaper versions except for the harmonizer which I'm debating about biting the bullet as no one else makes those things). The rest of the band also uses a lot of their equipment minimally or not at all. These are again observations from the gig, but let's consider the audience's perspective: 1. Relatively short sets by the band. It was no one's understanding that the JPJ band and KC were a "double headliner" as some claimed. Generally, the opener plays an hour set (roughly) and the headliner a two-hour set (roughly). Robert's attitude of late seems to reflect the take-the-money-and-run mentality that is the true reason people are disgusted. 2. I said this before: The concert began while we were beginning to file in due to policy of searching every last person which slows down everything. Again, I'm not complaining about this in itself (I understand the reason), but it's just plain inconsiderate to not wait until the entire paying audience hasn't even had the chance to find their reserved seats and get comfortable. I wish this could be passed on to Robert, but I know such things are beneath him. I understand some of the points he has made over the years and he does deserve to earn a living as a musician, composer, etc. But he has to learn to reciprocate. Eventually there may very well be a revolt from his own fans. And I'm not trying to be subversive. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 16:14:06 EST From: Belewp at cs dot com Subject: Happy Birthday Adrian!!!! Hey Adrian, If you still read this...Happy Birthday!!!!! GO CHIEFS! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:52:31 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Merry Merry Happy Happy Hello Happy Hipsters - Let me wish one and all in the Crimson, and around the Crimson a warm, safe and heartfelt Seasonal Greeting. I hope 2002 is as generous to Crim-Audiences as the last year has proven to be. My most special warm wishes to this band that continues to stretch, when others would have snapped. The work is appreciated by thousands and thousands of people around the globe, and across time, as it becomes discovered and uncovered. David Kirkdorffer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 00:38:36 -0500 From: "MALCOLM XERXES" Subject: MR. GORDON HASKELL PARLIAMENT OF PACHYDERMS: A friend sent me this intel, and I thought I would share it with you all: malcolm I saw this on bbc news and I copied and pasted the piece. I know you love king crimson: Robbie Williams and Nicole Kidman have clinched the Christmas number one in the UK singles charts with their duet Somethin' Stupid. The duo fulfilled the bookies' predictions, beating off dark horse contender Gordon Haskell's How Wonderful You Are. But 55-year-old Haskell nonetheless entered the chart at number two with his romantic ballad - said to have been composed on a supermarket shopping trip with his mother. Haskell, who once played with rock group King Crimson, saw a BBC Radio 2 play of his song lead to nearly quarter of a million advance orders copies for the record. -MX "OUTLAW" http://www.malcolmxerxes.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 02:01:54 -0500 From: "Les B. Labbauf" Subject: Neuromantic Fripp In ET 922 Randal discussed the following: >>Tim Siefkes pointed out the link in the progression of titles with >>FraKctured, however Larks' IV may not have been the fourth link. In >>the late eighties Robert was asked to do the soundtrack to the movie >>"Neuromancer." The movie was later shelved, but Robert mentioned in an If I am not mistaken this film was released under the title of Johnny Neumonic, staring a pre Matrix Keanu (sp?) Reeves. I have not seen the movie in a while, so I am not sure if any of the Fripp stuff made the final cut. Les ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 02:08:03 -0500 From: "Les B. Labbauf" Subject: The Price Of CDs. There has been alot of discussion about the price of the Level 5 CD, and many have complained about paying $15.00 for an EP. Under any economic situation, the price of a CD is relative to the benefit that the consumer receives for the product purchased. If you feel that you did not receive your $15.00 worth, you can contact the manufacturer and request a refund, but having to return the disc (Uncopied I hope). I for one have played the CD at least once a day since I have purchased it, and therefore I am one of the consumers who has derived more than his fare share of benefit for a mere $15.00. Looking forward to the new album, and hopefully a new tour with TOOL :) Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:06:32 -0800 (PST) From: rone at ennui dot org (earl of surl) Subject: Mute Larks > From: Randall dot Hammill at hartfordlife dot com In the late eighties Robert was asked to do the soundtrack to the movie "Neuromancer." The movie was later shelved, but Robert mentioned in an interview at one point that he was working on some new material for King Crimson including part of Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part IV. I was wondering the other day where that music ended up. The very notion of Fripp scoring "Neuromancer" is exciting. Robert has indicated in the past that the name of a piece is important, and to a large degree it names itself. So although FraKctured had originally been titled Larks' V, I don't think that it shares the same musical characteristics with the other Larks' pieces that Level V does, which is why it was renamed. I think there is a connection between the Larks' progression and Level V. I don't find in "Level V" any semblance to the Larks' family tree. If anything, its middle part borrows more evidently from "Thrak" (as does The Trey Gunn Band's "Hierarchtitiptitoploftical"). Speaking of which, one thing i noticed on _Live Encounter_ was that the writing credit for "Arrakis" says Gunn/Muller/Geballe; but "Arrakis" on _The Third Star_ lacks the Geballe credit. I wonder about the discrepancy... rone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:23:36 -0000 From: "Stephen P. Goodman" Subject: Christmas Greetings And Felicitations to all! This is a mere offering of this year's Christmas card this year, at http://www.earthlight.net/Christmas2001.html - and it carries our warmest wishes with it. Also EarthLight Studios is giving forth a new loop each day until the 27th, at http://www.earthlight.net/Studios - today's is something one can play continuously throughout. Best and Greetings, Stephen & Sarah Goodman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 16:12:34 +0100 From: Dario Tortora Subject: Re: Radical Dance >Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:12:34 -0500 >From: "Grassy Sound" >Subject: Radical Dance > >Whatever happened to Radical Dance? The small snippet that appeared on the >DGM sampler was absolutely stunning, and it would be great to hear more. Is >it/was it available at one point? Thanks. I'm quite sure the project has been dropped and somehow turned out as the BPM&M cd. Dario -- - "What we hear is the quality of our listening" - Robert Fripp - Mac OS for productivity. UNIX for stability. Palm OS for mobility. Windows for solitaire. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:32:02 +0200 From: "Aleksi Keurulainen" Subject: About KC in Finland In ET issue #922, Lauri Vanajas wrote: "(Waiting for KC to come here and do a gig some day... is there any light at the end of the tunnel? :)" That's something I've been looking forward to as well, but I don't assume that a KC European tour will be in schedule anytime soon, and even if it was, I'm not certain if they'd even have the interest to gig Helsinki. But we do get the next best thing. John Wetton is making a European tour of his own next Spring and they are in fact going to come to Finland as well (April 27th). In addition to his solo, Asia and UK material, he's been playing some 70's-era Crimson as well. This year's gigsets have contained such gems as Night Watch, Easy Money, Book of Saturday -- and the magnificent Starless. Do check out http://www.johnwetton.co.uk/ for further information. Yes paid their first ever visit here in November, Roger Waters is going to be here in May, Jethro Tull passed through this year as well... we seem to be getting quite a bit of classic prog stars around here as well. (... what do you mean 25 years late?!) - atk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:14:44 -0500 From: "Ron Durham" Subject: Two KC Questions I have two questions regarding things KC: 1. I just got "The Great Deceiver" for Christmas, and this has raised a question for me; when I read notes that refer to the other KC box set, "Frame by Frame: The Essential King Crimson" it says that one CD of that set is live material. Since I have the following live material by KC already: "The Great Deceiver", "The Nightwatch", and "Absent Lovers", would you recommend it even worthwhile even getting FbF, particularly with regard to the live stuff? I do plan to procure a copy of "Epitaph" and also "USA" when it becomes available, so I was just wondering if I would miss anything with regard to the live material by not getting FbF. 2. I used to have a cassette of the original two album release "A Young Persons Guide to King Crimson", and I remember the alternate version of "I Talk to the Wind" with Judy Dyble on vocals. Is it possible to get that particular recording on any CD that you know of (excepting bootlegs, which I don't even bother with)? By the way, a very Merry Christmas to you and yours as well as a VERY Happy New Year, and thanks for all the marvelous work that you and Dan do. "Elephant Talk" is one of the best quality rock sites that I have ever seen, and I feel it especially appropriate that it would be about my absolute favorite group of all time; always light-years above and ahead of the rest, imho. Ron Durham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:50:52 -0500 From: scott kevyn frank Subject: T.lev Cd release party Got a phone call from the Mother up in Buffalo today.. She went to see a friend perform at the Tralf (nice jazz club in downtown Buffalo). The upcoming events marquee listed a Tony Levin CD release party at the Tralf on Thursday, March 21st, 2002. Ticket info was not available yet. Coming from the one and only Mom, I find the info quite reliable. I will not book a flight from Florida until tickets are purchased, but I wanted to pass that along....I saw T. Lev at that that same place last summer for the "Waters of Eden" tour, got him to sign a few CD's, shook his hand and thanked him for all of his great music. I also spoke with Jerry Marotta and Larry Fast. All 3 guys were great to talk to and they seemed to be having a great time. Anyways, Happy Holidays from snowless, 70 degreee Central Florida..........Scott. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1991 14:20:53 -0800 From: "Kreider" Subject: Band member assembly How do musicians bump into one another? When you think about it, how do the right people find each other to form a band? It's like a phenomenon in itself. I go to Guitar center with my Fender Strat CS and play here and there in the network of guitarists. To here the interlocking of 10 or so guitarists, or better yet, to be in an interlocking of 10 guitarists is blissfull insanity. Though I do this once in a blue moon I have yet to walk out with a hookup with a drummer or bassist. How and where do you find people to play with and form some good tracks and even albulms? -E.V. Kreider http://www.nicosintimatenotebook.com ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #924 ********************************