Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #92 Discipline, Number 92 Friday, 14 May 1993 Today's Topics: new sighting Whole lotta stuff E'G EG? the mystery of the addition? Questions on Fripp side projects Fripp shows? Probably one of many to answer the flood of questions Starless Editor Re: What does EG stand for? [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 May 93 13:11:41 EDT From: David=Lane%HQ%Rational at Vines1 dot ratsys dot com Subject: new sighting Mel Collins and Mike Giles appear on one track apiece on the new Bryan Ferry effort, "Taxi". - - - Dave Lane davidl at ratsys dot com R a t i o n a l Systems, Inc. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 May 93 14:42:43 MDT From: pmartz at dsd dot es dot com (Paul Martz) Subject: Whole lotta stuff I'll try to keep this short. God knows we need all the room in this digest we can manage to hold the Starless/Moonchild "Chris King vs. The Rest Of This List" debate. Question, has anyone compared the '81 (or was it '80) Discipline album pressing with the recent remaster/reissue CD? How's the sound quality? I have been thinking about upgrading to the CD. Discipline is tied with Red as my favorite King Crimson. Which leads me to the "losing your virginity" discussion, I had heard "In the Court of" on radio a few times, loved it, never bought the album. Then one day a friend had me listen to the Disclipline and Exposure albums. What a massive double blow! I was a die hard ever since. > From: Malcolm Humes > > A bit more than one handful... I'm very curious how they plan to pace and > market all this stuff - Fripp can't be daft enough to think that all his > fans have hundreds of dollars budgeted for "keeping up with Fripp" to > follow all of these projects [...] Well, if my absolute favorite thing in the world to do is make music, I would do it fulltime, and that would mean lots of projects. That's what I think Fripp is doing, and that's probably his rationale for doing it. He loves it. I doubt he expects every single fan to buy every single piece of Fripp-related merchandise that comes out of these projects. Though I'll readily admit I wish I could. > From: ophir at math dot tau dot ac dot il > > 2. Hey Girls,wake up? > Is there a single girl on this mailing list or is this a gay club? I know of one (count 'em, one) female in the group, as a matter of fact she posted a while back saying "What the f***, am I the only female in this group?" > From: "Clay Housholder...5-8028" > > When is the Crimson (recently united) to play a run of pubs in the midwest??? > In Bloomington, Indiana we have a loyal gang of fans who would nearly kill to > be able to witness the majesty again. Adrian and Fripp both have played here > recently to a packed place known as JAKES, the booking agent there is Lee > Williams. Nice. The only time I ever saw Fripp was with KC in 1984 at Pine Knob near Detroit, MI. I wish I had a chance to see the man in a small pub. (I forgot to bring my 25x binoculars while at Pine Knob.) -paul pmartz at dsd dot es dot com Evans & Sutherland [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 May 93 16:10:03 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: E'G > What does EG (i.e., E.G. Records) stand for? RF might say "Extreme Gouging!" [of artist's interests....] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Nash nash at chem dot wisc dot edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 May 93 22:26:16 BST From: Toby Howard Subject: EG? RF says in the notes to The Great Deceiver: "EG was taken from the surnames of "David Enthoven" and "John Gaydon", the two founder-members of EG. John left in 1971 and David in 1977". Toby [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 11 May 1993 15:54:27 -0700 From: Malcolm Humes Subject: the mystery of the addition? MOONLIT KNIGHT wrote: > Another observation: on Usenet I've been complaining (without getting much > of a response) about the mystery of the addition of Gunn -- why four guitar > players? What's to complain about? I don't see the mystery in it. Look at what Fripp has been doing since the last Crimson lineup in 1984. Aside from the SaotW project he's been working with the League of Craftie Guitarists with an ensemble of up to 12 guitars. He's working right now with a group of 3 guitars plus stick (which I consider to essentially be two guitars, at least if the player is doing doublehanded fretting) and himself presumably on guitar for this "String Quintet", with at least 6 hands on the fretboards. So what is so unusual about the Crimson linep having two guitars and possibly two stick players? Again, we see up to 6 hands or more fretting... Maybe some of the Quintet material will even cross-over to the new KC repertoire. Why complain before you hear what they come up with? To me it seems like a logical extension of the complex string work that Fripp has been exploring and refining over his last few projects. > I have a theory as to the general trend of Tony Levin's playing > recently that might shed light on how the bulk of new tunes will go. Tony > has not been playing as much Stick lately! I'd be surprised if Tony doesn't play stick with the new band. Sure, he'll probably spend some time on bass, but I hope not exclusively. My theory is that the group may explore polarized "double-trios" of 3 hands each fretting (bass and stick) with Fripp and Gunn on one team and Belew and Levin on the other, exploring some very complex material. Probably more "systems" kind of compositions than the 80's band explored. Something perhaps more along the lines of Ornette Coleman's band with two drummers and two bassists, with them exploring more playing off each other than with each other. I find the posiblilities more exciting than mysterious, and I'm not complaining about the lineup until I hear how they balance Belew's songwriting with the instrumental and compositional integrity of the band. - Malcolm [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: cs64sbt at sdcc8 dot UCSD dot EDU (Paolo Valladolid) Subject: Questions on Fripp side projects Date: Tue, 11 May 93 18:58:46 PDT 1. In his interview of Vernon Reid, Fripp mentions that he worked as a "research and developement" musician (did something experimental) with pianist Keith Tippett. Is this on record somewhere? 2. I also recently read that Jeff Berlin was working with Robert Fripp and Bill Bruford in 1981. Did this project make it to record as well? Paolo -- ******************************************************************* If you know you have an unpleasant disposition and dislike people, this is no obstacle to work. J.G. Bennett ******************************************************************* [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 15:35:28 +0200 (METDST) From: joachim lous Subject: Fripp shows? I guess this is a little optimistic, but does anyone know if there will be a chance to see Fripp anywhere in Scandinavia? Has he ever played here? (with any band) When? Thanx. ____________________________________________________________________ \____\ Joachim Lous "I believe in Las Vegas! I have been /____/ \___\ Joachim at kih dot no there; I KNOW that it exists." /___/ \__\ -Bono, ZOO-TV /__/ \_________________________________________________/ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 12 May 1993 10:26 CST From: SANDERSO at gacvx2 dot gac dot edu Subject: Probably one of many to answer the flood of questions I will tackle the questions from the most recent Discipline, in a somewhat haphazard way. EG stands for David Enthoven and John Gaydon, founders of EG and King Crimson's original managers. The (Chapman) Stick is a ten-stringed electric instrument with two groups of five strings--treble and bass--tuned in 5ths. Both hands are used for fretting--the sound is produced by strings hitting the frets, not by strumming--it's like hammering notes on a guitar. This allows a great deal of flexibility, since both hands can play notes. This is how Tony Levin is able to (in a manner of speaking) play guitar and bass at the same time, or play rather surprising parts like that in "Sartori in Tangier" (although I've seen Les Claypool of Primus play "Sartori" on a six-string fretless bass). My scrollback runs out there, so I can't find any of the earlier questions (and my horrible short-term memory strikes again). I'd like to correct something I wrote in the last Discipline, it's "a cruel thrust" not "a vicious thrust." Anyone know when Fripp said it? (Yes, I am such a pathetic Crimhead that I can recall such information.) Also, one last breath of the "Starless" debate... a while ago Chris King complained that the theme of the first half never returns once the instrumental section begins. Granted, the vocals never come back, but if the last couple minutes, with the soaring guitar line, are not a grand recapitulation, I don't know what is. It was suggested that Levin will be more bass-oriented and that Belew will take more time with drums. I am eager to hear this diversity. The potential of the Fripp/Belew guitar duo, with Levin anchored on bass (I never felt stick was that great as a replacement for the bass), and Gunn adding the unique sound of stick as more of a mid-range instrument, is very appealing. I am just afraid that something will happen before August that will flush this future King Crimson down the drain. Well, I think there's a fire alarm. Gotta go! Scott T. Anderson sanderso at gacvx2 dot gac dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 12 May 93 20:24:37 -0500 From: nash at chem dot wisc dot edu (John R. Nash) Subject: Starless Editor The man who edited Starless for "Frame by Frame" is David Singleton. An excerpt from "The Great Deceiver" book: "Have I, the heathen responsible for wielding the knife that cut ... the end of Starless from the last box set, been converted to the world of large scale guitar solos and ten minute improvisations? I can confess to finding the opening of 'Starless' almost 'achingly beautiful,' and the journey presented by the second half of the song well worth the travelling.... I have come to enjoy the way the band seem to tease you as the piece twice seems to be on the verge of resolving before it again veers off." -David Singleton, July 20th 1992 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "In principle, to consider acting in accordance with one's musical sense-of-righteousness as indulgent is a terrifying commentary upon the extent to which our culture has become aberrent in values and out-of-touch with its humanity." -Robert Fripp, 1992 John Nash nash at chem dot wisc dot edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: beep at sybase dot com (William Puig) Subject: Re: What does EG stand for? Date: Thu, 13 May 93 15:44:33 EDT J. Porter Clark asked: >Okay, it's a newbie question. > >What does EG (i.e., E.G. Records) stand for? "EG" is taken from the names of King Crimson's early managers, David Enthoven (E) and John Gaydon (G). The credits on the American version of ItCotCK allude to this origin: "Produced by King Crimson for E.G. Records 'David & John'". (ItCotCK was the first E.G. record.) The liner notes to Young Person's Guide make reference as well. Yes, it *is* a newbie question, but the answer isn't terribly obvious except to the already-Crimson addicted! Bill ----+---- Bill Puig, Principal Consultant " ... 'cos they caught me licking fudge Sybase Professional Services and they never told me once 40 East 52nd Street you were a minor -- !" New York, NY 10022 Tel.: (212) 755-6544 -- John Wetton, E-mail: beep at sybase dot com after R. W. Palmer-James [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this mailing list or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The Discipline archives are available on ftp.uwp.edu, in /pub/music/lists/discipline. 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