Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #909 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 909 Sunday, 9 December 2001 Today's Topics: NEWS: New California Guitar Trio Release GIG BIZ: Last Minute Tickets - NYC 12/13 Abbey Road Cover KC Vocalists and Other Mindless Babble Josette?; others hear my stuff EARPLUGS Club#18 CD.............. Re: KC book in March not May Primus/Tool and KC...and Bowie Re: lets get small Songs for new KC Listeners Level Five CD Re: Hyundai Commercial/Apologies Lesh/Introducing KC Collectors Club 18 - Detroit 1971 Re: Vrooom Vrooom troubles Toronto Show Review I need help from a fellow Crimson fan!!!! Re: Vrooom Vrooom troubles GIG REVIEW: Level5 in Montreal ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:45:48 -0700 From: Jon Lybrook Subject: NEWS: New California Guitar Trio Release Hi ETers, The California Guitar Trio has just released their newest CD and fourth studio album, which also happens to be a collection of some incredibly innovative instrumental interpretations of classic Christmas songs. Bill Janssen and Roger Lambson are also featured on saxophones. Ioannis, graphic designer to King Crimson, Trey Gunn, and other groups has created not only the liner notes for this CD, but also a wonderful Flash-based E-card to help promote the album. The card contains two songs from the new album, as well as links to the CGT's website, the only place to purchase the new CD. See http://www.cgtrio.com/xmascard to access the E-card See http://www.cgtrio.com/cgtdirect.htm to buy the album. Also, Paul Richards with the CGT recently completed an interview about the new album, which can be read by going to http://www.cgtrio.com/xmascd_interview.htm I just heard it myself for the first time yesterday. It is a very sensitive mix and I think fans of the CGT, as well as fans of acoustic guitar music in general will find this to be one of the most original and uplifting recordings you'll find anywhere. Cheers, and Happy Holidays. Jon Lybrook CGT Direct ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 21:05:59 -0800 From: "Veal Cutlet" Subject: GIG BIZ: Last Minute Tickets - NYC 12/13 Just had two friends cancel on me and I now have 2 extra tix for the Thursday night shows in NYC. Please email me or call 917-421-3901 x2619if you are interested. Center orchestra, Row R. $50 face and I'm not looking to make a profit. My apologies if this is a verboten type of post... Veal vealcutlet at onebox dot com - email (917) 421-3901 x2619 - voicemail/fax ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:02:32 -0800 From: "Tom Martin" Subject: Abbey Road Cover Bill Messinger wrote, "Abbey Road - The preacher & the grave digger are gone, but the corpse and mourner remain. What a fitting analogy for the state of the music industry." I was always under the impression that Ringo was the undertaker, not a mourner. If that's the case, then only the undertaker, whose job it is to maximize the revenue off of corpses (ref. "The American Way of Death" by Jessica Mitford), and the corpse, itself, remain. A very fitting metaphor indeed! - Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:05:32 EST From: Kissman24 at aol dot com Subject: KC Vocalists and Other Mindless Babble I dunno about you guys, but I though Boz was the coolest KC lead singer. I LOVE the vocals on Ladies Of The Road from Cirkus...It's what makes me love Boz. And I love that attitude he injected into the songs, like on the version of 21st Century Schizoid Man from Cirkus. Give those tunes another listen...You'll see what I'm talkin' about. Thanks, Trey, for your review of VROOM VROOM. I think I'll pick up ITCOL first, then if I have some extra cash I'll get VROOM VROOM. I want ITCOL because if and when I go see the boys on December 14th, I'll know the songs...Because they're basically only playing songs from that album. Which brings me to something else... Why aren't they playing older stuff? As much as I wanna see them, I don't wanna hear all this new material...I want Starless and A Man A City! Why only the newer stuff? Why not One More Red Nightmare? No Moonchild? That kinda bums me out. I know they had all those different singers and different players on those songs and stuff, but I'd like to hear something besides the latest album! Thela and Red are good, but I don't know if they're good enough...We'll see. "It's only talk..." --Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 13:36:01 -0800 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Josette?; others hear my stuff >What's the chance of "hooking up" with this cutie after a gig for a >cocktail.....or2? Josette, was that you I saw backstage at the Las Vegas show? >This is an open call for all the muse among us to get on the web with your >stuff. What better way to let others hear your stuff? www.mp3.com/TheGoneOrchestra www.mp3.com/KingsOnStrawMats - S. np: Jazz is Dead, Great Sky River scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 16:38:37 -0500 From: Martin Roberts Subject: EARPLUGS Lighten up Guido! Nobody mentioned you and your ears. The only comments went to those who want the sound turned down because it is too loud. So really, we are doing you and your 'superman' ears a favor by suggesting that the sound remain as is and feeble eared listeners should pick up the earplugs. Get it Guido? Good! Martin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 16:51:45 EST From: PR1955 at aol dot com Subject: Club#18 CD.............. Just listened to both CD's of the newest KC club releases (#18) and it is as I thought all along....KC are a great blues band!!! One of the finer releases of the club....Thanx to them for bringing this out of moth balls...... Peace/Love and Cat Food to you all out there...Happy ________(fill in the blank) See ya at the Beacon/NYC........ Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:36:39 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Re: KC book in March not May >I just discovered that the book won't be out here in the US until May. Actually I'm pretty sure thats March. thats from my local bookstore and from websites like barnes and nobles.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 21:59:34 -0500 From: "Jordan Clifford" Subject: Primus/Tool and KC...and Bowie >But besides that descartian anagramic excersize, I would like >to ask if anyone has ever thought about Primus ( instead of Tool) showing >with and or appearing on stage with KC- or is this a very old thread? This is a very old thread, and i say that not only because Les Claypool was brought up earlier, but mostly because i was reading through some Fripp postings on the original ET issues and there was much talk about Primus leading the new direction of progressive music and how they have talked about KC influences. I now know that Claypool knows Fripp, and maybe not worships but is a big fan of Levin. there were even comparisions of styles between primus members and KC members. I totally agree. I dont neccisarily think that KC fans for the most part would be that into Primus, but thats just generalizing because im sure a lot of them are. But hey, apparently not too many Tool fans were that into KC on that tour. Primus (well, befoe they broke up) and KC would be one of my dream shows. but so was Tool and KC unfortunately they for some reason kept that tour on the west coast, no where near Connecticut. I am a HUGE primus fan, personally. I dont think primus Sounds much like KC, but the influence is definately there and if my generalization of KC fans not being that into Primus is wrong then i think them sharing a stage would be incredible and very appropriate. As for Tool- while this has nothing to do with touring or sharing a stage with KC, i dont think (unless I missed it) that there has been enough, if any discussion of Lateralus, the new tool masterpiece on this newsletter. I read a review of a KC/Tool show on the site from an older KC fan praising what he saw of tool and becoming interested in them, but thats all ive seen. Lateralus is INCREDIBLE. it is just a stunning album, and I just love that it came out in the midst of all the mainstream "metal" crap that is out there right now and everythhing else. But tool has always taken that title i think. Lateralus is just a little more mature and musically developed. anyone into the newer Krimson should be into it, and i think that anyone into KC at all should be into it especially the three tracks that go together Disposition-Reflection-Triad. If you guys havent checked this album out go do it now! and finally, another album fans of the new KC and the ProjeKcts should be into - David Bowie's "Outside". another incredible album that ventures into the darker side of bowie and some interesting stuff KC, mostly the ProjeKcts fiddle around with and explore like Industrial sounds and a darker heavy jazz. Check it out. Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:52:39 -0800 From: "Brian Kelley" Subject: Re: lets get small In ET #907, Stephen wrote: > > But besides that descartian anagramic excersize, I would like > to ask if anyone has ever thought about Primus ( instead of Tool) showing > with and or appearing on stage with KC- or is this a very old thread? > > a recommendation > Come to think of it, Les Claypool along with his side band Fearless Flying Frog Brigade has INDEED played "Thela Hun Ginjeet" a number of times live. MAAAAN, that cat can totally cop those beefy Levin riffs!!! He's even teased it during a few Oysterhead sets (with Phish's Trey Anastasio and the original drum machine - aka Stewart Copeland). Brian Krimso ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 22:17:17 +0800 From: "Stick Man" Subject: Songs for new KC Listeners I'd play something old, something new, and definitiely something blue (you know - with a cool Beat): *) Red - old *) The ConstruKction of Light - new *) Satori In Tangier - Blue And for a nice contrast, I'd probably play One Time as well. Happy that KC are touring, Stickman -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 08:51:27 -0600 From: "Tom Hicks" Subject: Level Five CD I was not able to attend the recent shows, does antone know where I can get a copy of the Level 5 CD. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:02:39 -0800 From: "LAVERNE MUNARI" Subject: Re: Hyundai Commercial/Apologies Lesh/Introducing KC Hello all. hope everyone has been attending the recent KC shows, you owe it to yourself for a nite of sheer delight!! I Must say that in ET 906 Josh Chasin helped open these somtimes jaded old eyes by mentioning Lesh's recent performances. I SHOULD have NEVER dissmissed the guy going on past performances; NO I have'nt had the chance to see Lesh in A # of yrs so I should'nt have spoken about him or his music. Why not come here Phil? Is this Hyundai car commercial with the music from Tull's "Thick As A Brick" playing, being shown internationally, or just here in the states? I've been meaning to ask but always forget. A very smart way to get people from my generation to check out the visuals! A hearty "way to go" to ET'er RadioactiveToy71 for getting any ladies or ANYONE for that matter to listen to FZ's brilliant "Overnight Sensation"(1 of my all time faves)as well as the fabulous "Apostrophe!" As somewhat of a drug thread, FZ was extremely strict that no-one in his band do drugs of any kind, after the alcohol fiasco's that sometimes hit during the 70/71 touring band w/Flo & Eddie being the main culprits. Christ how could anyone that wanted to make it into that band be on any kind of drug & have to sight read such complex music or take Frank's wild cue's??(Of course overlookling nicotine & coffee which FZ lived & probably died from!) As an older KC fan, I find it hard to try & choose KC tunes to play for the uninitiated. Especially since I don't know of many who have'nt heard the band, but i'll "Imagine" for a moment, & have to take age/musical knowledge/taste into account. I guess from a broadsword stroke approach, i'd have to go w/easier identifiable tunes such as "Easy Money" & "Ladies of the Road", which are catchy but show the talent of those involved. If someone already had the listening ability of more intricate music but somehow had NOT heard of KC, i'd surely play LTIA because it is a showcase, & will always be. Were I to attempt to play KC for a younger more metallic listener I would possibly attempt the "older" "Red" or possibly jump straight to something being played on the current tour, that notwithstanding, i'd go right to "TCOL". I'm too tired to rattle me brain anymore than this. Lastly, for anyone looking for a "live" musical adventure i'd suggest going to audiophileimports.com & checking out the 3 "live" signed & numbered cd's by Derek Sherinian's Planet X!! The interplay between Derek/guitarist Tony MacAlphine/unbelievable drummer Virgil Donati & either of the 2 excellent bassists is tremendous. Not for the faint of heart. Thanks guy's; Steven "The pantalooned duck, white goose neck quacked...Webcor...Webcor" From Captain Beefheart's brilliant "Golden Birdies" ------------------------------ Date: 08 Dec 2001 11:18:16 -0500 From: "Les B. Labbauf" Subject: Collectors Club 18 - Detroit 1971 I just received the latest KCCC CD, and have only heard the first two songs, and they are definitely worth the price of admission! One thing I noticed, like the earlier 1971 disc, the radiio gig, during Formentary Lady, about 8:30 into the song, you can hear an early version of the Lark's Tongues 1 riff. Very interesting. Les. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:04:10 -0600 From: "Lee Gray" Subject: Re: Vrooom Vrooom troubles > >from the NYC set) at exactly 4:08. Well, cdnow was kind enough to send a > >replacement... which arrived 5 minutes ago, and *also* skips at exactly > the > >same spot. > > I've had the *exact* same problem, except that my two copies came directly > from DGM. Needless to say, I have not opted for a third copy yet. What kind of players do you guys have? I have only listened to it twice (once at home and once in my car) and noticed no problems. After reading these posts, I just checked it again on my two home players. My new Sony changer plays it with no problem, but my 10+ year old Yamaha barfs all over the place, starting at 4:03. It's so bad that I can't even forward over it... if I try, it randomly jumps to another place on the disc (beginning of the track, middle of a different track, etc.). It's obviously a real problem, but does it only occur on older players? Lee ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 12:41:49 -0500 From: David Sage Subject: Toronto Show Review If anyone is interested in reading a copy of the review of the Toronto show, December 5, which was published in the Globe & Mail (a national newspaper in Canada), go here: http://www.execulink.com/~dsage/KC.htm I am still learning the ropes, web page-wise, so I could not get the picture to stay in the frame. The article is here, nonetheless. Dave Sage P.S. who saw the show with his 14 year-old step-son and thought it was simply awesome--don't know about other venues but we were not the only father son combination in the crowd, and there SURE is a lot more paunch and grey hair than there used to be . . . *grin* -- The thought manifests as the word; The word manifests as the deed; The deed develops into the habit; And habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care, And let it spring from love Born out of concern for all things. The Buddha - - - - - dsage at execulink dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:51:54 EST From: VinceCorbet at aol dot com Subject: I need help from a fellow Crimson fan!!!! Does somebody know what the song "Fallen Angel" from the RED album is about? I've heard it many, many times and was just curious to whom it refers to. Is this based on someone's brother from the band or just made up. Thanks - Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 13:29:17 -0800 From: Gordon Van Huizen Subject: Re: Vrooom Vrooom troubles In Elephant Talk #906, "Matthew Tedesco" said: > I had ordered VV from cdnow and received it last > week, only to discover a rather gruesome skip on > track 4 of disc 2 (People, from the NYC set) [...snip...] > Later today, I'll be venturing out to buy a copy > from a local music store. I'm pretty sure if it > skips at the same spot my head will explode. FWIW, I picked up a copy yesterday at a local SF music store and it too has a bad skip in the middle of People. Looks like it's a universal problem, at least with the initial pressing. Hope your head hasn't exploded. The set is fantastic, though, despite this glitch. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 23:36:53 -0500 From: "Antoine W. Caron" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Level5 in Montreal Montreal, Dec 6, Place-des-Arts First of all, many thanks to the Crim organization for remediating last year's poor choice of venue (the Metropolis) and choosing the Wilfrid-Pelletier hall of the PdA: a great venue. Crippled by a bad knee (hockey accident) and a gastro-devil bug, I limped my way to the PdA. Even if I nearly stumbled down the stairs, I can assure you the only drug I was on was Tylenol :) The John Paul Jones Orchestra started as half the audience were fumbling in the dark to get to their seats. Briefly: a very enjoyable set. JPJ showed great musicianship. He addressed the audience mostly in French (!) , and was totally unpretentious and genuinely charming. The highlight for me was "Freedom song" from his latest CD, on wich he sang and played the mandolin in incredible sync. The encore was Black Dog (from Led Zep) and that really brought the house down. The Crims entered in total darkness and started with Dangerous Curves, obviously a work in progress but a fitting opener. Next was Frying Pan which already hinted at an unbalance in the mix: Adrian seemed way too loud. After that we were treated to Elekctric and Level5, two new and very promising pieces. It was really a thrill to hear these for the first time, without any expectations. I think it is safe to say that no other rock band requires so much patience and attention from the audience. Not too surprisingly, perhaps, the audience was relatively quiet, trying to digest the new stuff. Unfortunately, Dinosaur didn't do much to reconnect. Maybe this had to do with my location (first third of "parterre", left side) but although RF, TG and PM sounded good and just the right volume, again I thought that Adrian's guitar and voice had a shrill, piercing tone that was downright overbearing and painful. I tried the earplugs I brought but the attenuation was way too much. "Construkction of light" was played very well and picked up the pace. Then, another new piece (Virtuous Circle?). This one was magnificent, with a lush, exotic atmosphere. I must really command Pat on his tasty use of samples and assorted sounds (including some from the Talking Drum!), as well as Ade's kalimba/synth sounds. A great way to evoke Crimson's long and magic past. I thought this was a turning point in the concert. The audience seemed more "into it' and greeted Lark's Tongues part5 with abandon. This one ROCKED so hard. The quality of the playing was unbelievable. Fripp zoomed though his "impossible" section with such ease! Trey was a monster all the way and Adrian's solo was great. Quite a finish! By that time, I had decided to show my support a little more convincingly : King Crimson is so loud and heavy that mere applause/clapping sounds almost insignificant. Therefore I proceeded to scream my head off, which is also what a large number of audients did. The first encore: Deception of the Trush. At first, the quiet beginning was spoiled by some screamers (there is a time for everything...), but then: Silence! Three thousand people in near absolute silence! A truly magic moment. Fripp seemed very, very moved. And, oh yeah, TG's solo was lyrical and beautiful. Adrian came back and they blasted through"Thela" (with voice samples, I don't understand why some people don't like that). All four Crims came to the front of the stage (I guess it is safe to say that the very presence of RF at stage front sums it all...) Second encore: Red! RED! R E D! I'll be damned if this is not the heaviest, craziest version of Red I have ever heard. Pat "Animal" Mastelotto was so pumped his hands would reach high in the air and PUMMEL those drums! Boy, this band can still kill you! Overall: unlike last year's Metropolis mishap, a very satisfying show. Great new material. Good sound, not too loud except for Ade's guitar. Nice stage lights (and I don't mind lights directed at the crowd, it makes you a part of it!). _______aWc______ Antoine W. Caron awc at sympatico dot ca http://awc.iuma.com ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #909 ********************************