From toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Thu Jun 18 09:16:48 1992 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 91 17:38:06 BST Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: discipline #9 discipline, Number 9 Friday, 18 October 1991 Today's Topics: Bruford's Name for Starless and Bible Black The Sheltering Sky S&BB tape Young Person's CD Re: Bruford's Nicknames For Albums discipline #8 Starless [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: Greg Hatch Subject: Bruford's Name for Starless and Bible Black Date: Tue, 15 Oct 91 23:34:51 EDT This is for inclusion in the next Discipline (keep up the good work, toby!) In answer to Brian's trivia question as to what Bill Bruford had renamed Starless and Bible Black to: Braless and Slightly Slack. On an unrelated note, does anyone know what songs will be on the King Crimson Box set? I heard from a record store (I heard him call the distributor) that distributors would get the box set Wednesday (the 16th). Does anyone have any other info? Is the set worth getting? (I don't even have all the regular releases yet). Greg Hatch "You are what you is, you ain't what you're not"--Frank Zappa [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1991 01:22:35 EDT From: Phong Co Subject: The Sheltering Sky Robert J. Friedman III writes: => Errr...ummm... Brian, the guy's name is Paul Bowles not Todd (author of => "The Sheltering Sky" that is). I think the book tries too hard to be => deep and existentialist. A movie was recently made of the book. Anyone => see it? Any good? It doesn't really matter what I think of it though, => the music inspired by it is fantastic! KC's "The Sheltering Sky" is one => of my favorite tunes that they ever made (fun to play too!). Interestingly => enough, the Police's "Tea in the Sahara" is also based on this book (one => of the stories told to the traveller Kit). Another great song from the => same inspiration! Hmmmnnn... Maybe I'll have to read it again. => My friend had bought the book, and he mentioned to me it's connection with "Tea In The Sahara". I only wanted to read it for the King Crimson connection! I mean, for it to have inspired such a song, the book must surely be a masterpiece! Very shortly after, I heard that a movie was about to come out. Double WOW, but I wanted to read the book before seeing the movie. Overall, a pretty good book, one I'd read again. The experiences of the characters are made very vivid, so that one is drained at the end. The starkness of the desert is made into a fearful yet magnetic thing. The movie was a bit of a letdown, but that was mostly because I saw it so soon after finishing the book, and had certain expectations. Large parts were left out, including the story "Tea In The Sahara". The cinematography was just gorgeous, and the soundtrack by Ryuchi Sakamoto (sp?) was pretty good, although it could have benefitted >from a certain KC piece. Definitely see the movie if you get the chance. Even better, read the book. The song will have so much more impact then. -- ========================================================================= Phong T. Co | chryses at xurilka dot UUCP | Battleships confide in me and dada Indugu Inc. | tell me where you are Montreal, CANADA | -- Yes [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: S&BB tape Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 14:29:53 BST From: Phil Kime Hoping that someone out there can tell me if I have just a knackered tape....I have S&BB on tape and the end of The Mincer cuts out really abrubptly. After checking, it seems that this is due to the recording running onto the tape leader!! Does anyone know if there were many tapes made with this fault? As far as I can tell, not much is missed off but its rather annoying anyway. -- *********************************************************************** * Phil Kime * * Dept. of Artificial Intelligene * * Edinburgh University * * E-Mail: philkime at aisb dot ed dot ac dot uk Phone:(031) 650 2690 * *********************************************************************** [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 13:58:44 -0500 From: John "R." Nash Subject: Young Person's CD Hi all, here's yet another new member venturing out with opinions and info on KC. Background on me: I've been a fan of "progressive rock" (the old definition of the term) for about 10 years now, which has led me >from ELP to Yes to Genesis and then to King Crimson. (With many others in between.) The 'progression' has currently continued for me into Bill Bruford's Earthworks. (If people would like me to review their latest album, email nash at chem dot wisc dot edu and I'll do it if there's demand and if this is a proper place to do it.) Anyhow, I like KC for their constant experimentation, as well as their ability to use irregular meters in a way that works. I am a grad student (chemistry) at UWisconsin-Madison, and I am a musician in my spare time -- piano, sax, keybds, composing. As a musician, I notice that KC affects me on an emotional as well as intellectual level. Most other groups only hit me on one or the other. ANYWAY..... I have the Japanese "Young Person's Guide to King Crimson" mentioned last issue. The booklet is excellent -- it includes the "Fripp's Journals" part of the LP, lyrics in Japanese and English, and a Pete Frame-type family tree of the group. I picked it up at a record show for $25 -- a real bargain, in my opinion. To my nonaudiophile ears, the CD sounds wonderful. All for now... where am I going to find the $$ to buy a boxed set....? Remember, I'm a Yes fan, too..... -john nash, nash at chem dot wisc dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: The Master Subject: Re: Bruford's Nicknames For Albums Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 8:19:48 EDT Bill Bruford's nickname for the "Starless" album is "Bra-less and Slightly Slack". The information comes from the Young Person's Guide to King Crimson. By the way, the aforementioned journals on Gibralter are the Young Person's Guide; I typed them up myself! ;-) Dave -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dave White | Lakeshore Cryotronics | | Software Engineer | (614) 891-2243 | |__white at geo2s dot mps dot ohio-state dot edu___|__Westerville, Ohio 43215_____________| [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 10:31:31 MDT From: Paul Martz Subject: discipline #8 > there are a few songs which stand out to me; one is 'Frame By > Frame,' from the 'Discipline' album. This is one of those rare > instances when a 5-4 time signature actually _works_. I beg to differ; 'Frame by Frame' is in beats of 7, not 5 (I'd guess the time signature is 7/8 but it could be 7/4, or possibly even 14/8, which would be two groups of 7 eigth notes per measure). The song also has a 4/4 break. > -eliot, a musician And you call yourself a musician! Tsk, tsk. :-) -paul [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 14 Oct 91 11:53:31 EDT From: david at shadow dot ait dot com (David Kuznick) Subject: Starless D.T. are the initials for Dylan Thomas who wrote the brilliant play Under Milkwood (I did this in camp one year - I got to play (among other parts) First Reader; the part that DT himself played). The phrase is taken from the opening lines (quoting from memory). It is spring. A moonless night in a small town. Starless and Bible Black. There is a version of this out on video starring Liz Taylor and Richard Burton. Not bad but the play blows it away. It basically deals with a day in the life of a small Welsh fishing town. If anyone would like to comment as to what they think the song has to do with the play, I would love to hear it. Bill Bruford's Starless and Bible Black is in the Foley book: Tuneless and Slightly Slack (?). I don't have it with me. David Kuznick david at ait dot com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] To join this group or have your thoughts in the next issue, please send electronic mail to Toby Howard at the following address: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk The views expressed in discipline are those of the individual authors only.