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               E L E P H A N T    T A L K

        The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp
              and King Crimson enthusiasts

                        Number 893

                 Sunday, 18 November 2001

Today's Topics:

   NEWS: ETs #892 and #893 swapped

   GIG BIZ: 1 ticket for 11/30 Cleveland show

   Re: The Younger Generation
   Prog undefined
   Thank God
   Re: The Yonger Generation?
   Circle with us!
   Prog rock and heavy metal
   Re: more MTV and music industry thoughts
   King Crimson webcast
   Re: was "fusion" an American "prog"?
   Level Five CD / Sylvian recordings
   Crim 'Selling Out" to MTV
   Bitches Who?
   MoneyTeeVee
   In Reply to "Ear Candy"...
   Re: to Adams Re: to ear candy
   Re: Les Claypool Does Crimson... and Pet Gab!
   Re: Oysterhead and other stuff... Good Music

   GIG REVIEW: San Francisco Show
   GIG REVIEW: KC sound mix
   GIG REVIEW: Nov. 14 show in SF
   GIG REVIEW: KC in Los Angeles (spoiler)

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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2001 15:19:22
From: Toby Howard <moderator at elephant-talk dot com>
Subject: NEWS: ETs #892 and #893 swapped

Sorry everyone!

This issue of ET (#893) should have been issue #892, and vice-versa. In
other words, the two ETs are out of sequence. My apologies for this.

After I had realised my mistake, it was too hard to fix!!

BTW can I take this opportunity to remind everyone that posts concerning
gig tickets/rides/meets etc should have a subject line starting "GIG BIZ: "
and all gig reviews should have a subject line which begins
"GIG REVIEW:". This helps with the semi-automatic generation process of ET.

Cheers
Toby

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:14:22 -0800 (PST)
From: RS <kingcrimson2 at yahoo dot com>
Subject: GIG BIZ: 1 ticket for 11/30 Cleveland show

Hello. I have one ticket for the 11/30 Crim show in Cleveland
(lakewood). $35. If anyone is interested, please let me know asap. Also,
only diehard crim fans, I don't want to sit next to anyone who won't be
into the band. No wet blankets!  Cheers,

RS
kingcrimson2 at yahoo dot com

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:55:31 -0500
From: "Jordan Clifford" <GrooveHolmes394 at hotmail dot com>
Subject: Re: The Younger Generation

>  Then, one day in the record shop, (it
> cost #3.50 for a single album back then), I saw this triple live album by
> a
> band called Yes, and the cover was just way cool, and one by King Crimson,
> ITCOTCK, which was just as cool.  Yes I did buy albums on the strength of
> an
> album cover.  Something lacking these days with CD's if you ask me.  >

I totally agree. I am only 19, so I couldnt be impressed with a King Crimson
cover when it came out, but as far as buying an album based on its cover and
something lacking today I TOTALLY agree. albums covers are one of the most
important parts of an album. not the music, but the album as a whole and a
package. a good album cover makes me want to buy it more then the music
sometimes. Especially Jazz albums. there is something about jazz, especially
Blue Note album cover designs that just GRAB me.  A lot of album covers
these days lack creativity, or theme, or anything like that. But just like
anything else, it depends on the band. I dont want to make a generalized
statement like that because there are plenty of amazing and creative bands,
underground and.. above ground, that have great album covers. But over all,
i do understand what you are saying, and you arent the only one who would
buy an album based on its cover.

while we are on the subject, and by all means dont do it if its just gonna
turn into a waste of time no one cares about, maybe people are interested in
sharing their top 5 or top 10 album covers of all time. i couldnt off the
top of my head, but if anyone else wants to give it a go id love to check
them out.

>he announces "They're grunge aren't they"  "King........who
> was it again?  Do they cover any Pearl Jam stuff?"
>
> My 14 year old Limp Bizkit, Slipknot fan son and his mates, classify
> Nirvana
> as "hippies".  I thought I was going to fall of my chair.

I know I am 19 and there is a vast difference between 19 and 14, but being a
part of this "younger generation" of music fans, i just have to say
something on it. educate your son on music, save him from being a kid that
one of his friends wouldnt talk to about king crimson with because they
arent a "limp bizkit, or a slipknot", know what i mean? and while you are at
it, good job opening the trainees eyes a little, keep him on the right track
as well.

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:31:34 -0200
From: "diego.navarro" <diego at navarro dot mus dot br>
Subject: Prog undefined

>Prog: Music to get stoned for the first time to.

A noted punk rock critic once said that punk rock was the music that said NO.

In the column I write about prog-rock in a local alternative rock zine, I
just defined "prog", based on that, as music that says YES. <grin>

I present my evidence.

"(Yes, Yes) And the moment I see you
(Yes, Yes) It's so good to be near you
(Yes, Yes) And the feeling you give me
(Yes, Yes) Makes me want to be with you
(Yes, Yes) From the moment you tell me - yes

If you could see all the roads I have travelled
Towards some unusable last equilibrium
Run like an athlete and die like a dead beaten speed-freak
An answer to all of your answers to-yes

In the north sky time flies faster than morning
The cold of the dawn it meant nothing to us
You were keeping your best situation
An answer to Yes "

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:26:49 -0600
From: "David White" <bigdd1954 at hotmail dot com>
Subject: Thank God

It's so refreshing to find people that appreciate music with depth.I've
always felt like an outcast. Progressive music seems to scare most people.
Instrumentals can be quite profound and can take you places lyrics can't.
Robert Fripp has amazed me for for 30 years now! And the super excellent
musicians he works with seem to have a drive beyond this mortal plain.
Thanks KC for every note.

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:00:08 +0800
From: "George Flanker" <mig29m at email dot com>
Subject: Re: The Yonger Generation?

>My son, is a big fan of
>the Thrak album, and also loves Discipline, >but I know my son wouldn't
>openly admit to liking KC to his mates, >because they're not........, what's
>the pigeon hole for Limp Bizkti, Slipknot?

Well, concerning the newer generation - I'm one of them and proud of
 listening to King Crimson (I'm 17). I came across Crims in my dad's
 collection a year ago or so, and has been listening for hours and hours
 every day since. And I don't give give a crap about Limps or Knots, openly
 admitting that to all my friends (as if they'd get it). I guess at the end
 it's the music that matters, and if they're dumb enough not to get it -
 let them be. However, don't think that there is no true prog lovers in the
 new generation. Actually, whenever I say that I listen to the Crims to my
 peers, I add "You might not have heard of them". And only one actually has
 heard of them thus far.

 Although, all in all, I gotta admit that my generation as a rule lacks
 taste in music (or intellegence for that matter).
--


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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:03:56 -0600
From: "Sandra J Prow" <sandra at medtek dot org>
Subject: Circle with us!

This is my standard periodic request for anyone that's interested to join
The Triangle Guitar Circle in Raleigh.  We work in NST and mostly spend time
on exercises and a little repetoire.  We meet as often as possible when my
travel schedule permits.

Anyone interested in working in New Standard Tuning is more than welcome to
join us!   No Guitar Craft experience necessary.

email for more info:  TGC at medtek dot org

Sandra

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 02:19:19 -0500
From: "Beth El" <beth-el-sonj at att dot net>
Subject: Prog rock and heavy metal

    Forgive me if I have missed the mention, but what happened to Jethro
Tull in the  discussion of progressive rock?  They've always been one of my
favorites.  Or are they heavy metal?  Recall their winning best heavy metal
album over Metallica?  That was a complete joke, but it reminds me that I
once saw Rolling Stone magazine refer to Red as one of the 10 best selling
heavy metal albums of the year (was it 74?).  Meanwhile, my sister-in-law
refers to Crimson as, "that really loud group you listen to."  A friend of
mine who worked for some time as Fripp's secretary informs me that during
the interim between the TOAPP days and Thrak, Fripp said that if he got back
into a rock group he would like it to be heavy metal.
    I find discussions of classical composers interesting in these terms as
well.  Amongst my friends, the consensus seems to be that Beethoven was the
heavy metal artist while Mozart was more pop, but I would often place him as
progressive, like the Beatles (what does progressive mean if not
groundbreaking?)
    Anyway, in my opinion, boundaries seem to be made to be crossed and
uncrossed and I hope the Crimson gang keeps just playing: loud, soft, simple
or complex, there's something on every album which blows me away.
Scott

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:31:08 -0500
From: Kevin Holm-Hudson <kjholm2 at pop dot uky dot edu>
Subject: Re: more MTV and music industry thoughts

>   >Sure King Crimson could have benefited through video's, but that success
>  >would have come with a price.  In the end, things worked itself out; King
>  >Crimson and others like them, have maintained their artistic integrity and
>  >there are a lot of bands in the "where are they now?" category.
>
>Okay, I'm not sure what exact point you're trying to make here, but
>basically I think Crim made a wise decision by not producing a video.

Actually, they made two--for "Heartbeat" and "Sleepless." Although
ignored by MTV, they were played on the USA Network's much-missed
"Night Flight" program.

Kevin Holm-Hudson

--

Kevin Holm-Hudson
Assistant Professor of Music Theory
University of Kentucky
105 Fine Arts Building
Lexington, KY 40506-0022
<kjholm2 at pop dot uky dot edu>

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:29:41 -0800 (PST)
From: rfks <rfks at yahoo dot com>
Subject: King Crimson webcast

For those who have cable modem or DSL at home or work
you can tune in to a special KC webcast that we have
on right now. It's on our broadband
Prog Rock stream. It's mixed in with over 15 hours of
non stop prog, classic rock,  jazz and fusion. Lot's
of listener requests are included.

Enjoy.

Steve
Internet Radio Free Kansas
http://www.tafcommedia.net

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:35:15 -0500
From: Kevin Holm-Hudson <kjholm2 at pop dot uky dot edu>
Subject: Re: was "fusion" an American "prog"?

John Moshier writes:

>      The parallels between "prog" and "fusion" are interesting.  Both
>movements peaked in the 1970's and were pretty much petered out by the mid
>1980's.  Both favored long, highly improvisational and complex pieces often
>with a sort of stream of consciousness feeling to them.  Both forms required
>extraordinary instrumental competence.  Both embraced or tended toward the
>avant garde. Neither relied primarily on vocals or even song structures.
>Neither was "pop" music  or was geared toward airplay or widespread appeal.

And let us not forget that both styles of music were roundly and
routinely bashed by the critical establishment in their respective
genres. Jazz critics hated fusion (Miles' "On the Corner" was greeted
with near-unanimous hostility) in the same way that rock critics
hated prog.

Kevin Holm-Hudson
--

Kevin Holm-Hudson
Assistant Professor of Music Theory
University of Kentucky
105 Fine Arts Building
Lexington, KY 40506-0022
<kjholm2 at pop dot uky dot edu>

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:39:03 +0000
From: n k proctor <nkp at mail dot btinternet dot com>
Subject: Level Five CD / Sylvian recordings

Hello
Another Krim fan (this time from UK) willing to beg, steal (not
really) or borrow a copy of the Level Five gig CD.
Will gladly pay or swap for recordings from the recent Sylvian
gigs...five different to choose from.
Thanks in anticipation

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:09:10 -0500
From: "Brown, Ken" <KBrown at us dot imshealth dot com>
Subject: Crim 'Selling Out" to MTV

Kris M wrote:

>>Okay, I'm not sure what exact point you're trying to make here, but
basically I think Crim made a wise decision by not producing a video.  I
mean, if you think about it, most groups that decide to have a video made,
are making a conscious decision to go main stream with their sound.  But
Crim has never really seemed like the sort of group who was concerned with
that, in my opinion.  I mean, maybe some songs like 21st Century Schizoid
Man could make it, and certainly have with covers by such groups as April
Wine, but I mean honestly: could you honestly say that Fripp would take
Crim into mainstream music?  I couldn't.  To me, Crim is about music,
experimenting with music, and trying to get certain thoughts or messages
across through the same.  I couldn't see them suddenly turning that focus
from music to money.  That would be what is known as "selling out."<<

Besides pointing out the obvious that Crim did make at least one 'video' in
the early 80s. I also think people forget or weren't around way back then,
but at the time MTV would air just about any video, Crim wouldn't have been
selling out. Do you think Tool sold out for their video 'Sober'?? Or
Metallica's early videos? Or a host of other bands?

What is 'selling out' anyway? This has been thrown around here lately in
conjecture with the what went wrong with prog crap. Nothing went wrong with
prog, the original bands got older (no one seems to factor this in) and so
what was important to them changed, how they made music changed. Punk had
little really to do with the death of prog no matter what the 'critics' want
you to believe. At the height of punk in the late 70s, America was bracing
Stadium Rock Gods like Styx, REO Speedwagon and Journey, those were bands
punk should have destroyed!! Besides Punk last a few years by the early 80s
it was over. Then came New Wave and the best of the New Wave bands could
play their instruments and made progressive records.

There are few bands who can stay the course over many years (my own opinion
is that most bands have 10 good recordings in them, and TOAPP was KC's
10th). And who said what Yes or Genesis did in the early 80s was 'selling
out'? I listen to "Owner of a Lonely" I can't hear sell-out. If you played
Owner and Heartbeat for me, I would tell you Heartbeat would have been the
hit.

Did Yes move in a different direction, well yes, they did what Fripp did in
the 80s add new blood into the mix.  Now if the sound that came out was
something you didn't like so be it, but it was as much a change as Crim went
through in 80s.

I find a lot of this laughable because the Crim80 cds (which are some of my
favorites) include some of the poppiset tunes Crim ever did. Heartbeat,
Sleepless even Elephant Talk all could have easily garnered huge airplay on
the New Wave stations if the Crim moniker wasn't attached to it. (that bad
association to prog did them in)

It seems to me too many people are using the term sell-out to mean a band
started to make money or did something they did like anymore. Well as Mr.
Fripp as said it time to move on!  To me when a band tries to jump on the
band wagon of current trends to make hits is selling out. (Oh wait Crim as
become more metallic sounding of late, maybe they are selling out!!!!)

It always amazes me how much time people spend talking about bands they
don't like and why they suck, instead of bands they do like!

well keep the faith (in the music)
ken brown

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:31:43 -0500
From: "Josh Chasin" <jchasin at nyc dot rr dot com>
Subject: Bitches Who?

In ET #891, John Moshier observes that the 1970 Miles Davis "Bitches
Brew"-era live stuff from the Fillmore East is evocative of a Crimson jam.

Excellent observation!

I would further suggest that Davis's 2 1975 double-live albums-- Agharta and
Pangaea, each of which consists of two roughly 45-minute discs of long,
improvisational work-- are surprisingly evocative of the improvisational
work on The Great Deceiver, which chronicles live Crimson, '73-'74.
Interestingly, the Davis stuff, while released in early '75, was most likely
recorded in '74-- quite literally concurrently with some of the Great
Deceiver material.

Davis's work is denser-- owing, I believe, to the simple fact that his band
was comprised of more players.  But give them a listen-- these two artists
were, I think, more similar than different in 1974 (at least until Wetton
started singing.)

This is part of why definitions (which also serve as pigeonholes) are so
difficult.  Crimson was "prog", Davis was "jazz" (or jazz-fusion)-- but the
actual music was remarkably of a piece.

Definitionally Yours, Josh Chasin
NYC
4th row center on the aisle, 12/13 at the Beacon (whoo hoo!)

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:10:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Mahoney <stephenm at multcolib dot org>
Subject: MoneyTeeVee

 I could see crim doing a music video-
 but not in the conventional mtv sense
 - why do people limit themselves so?
 with simply having images shown while the song plays in real time
 whynot just create something entirely new-and subversive!!!!
 its amazing what can be done with 3 minutes of film when you use alittle
 creativity....maybe svankmajer would want to work with fripp
or the Brothers Quay?

 yes MTV money television
 I am glad I dont watch mtv( or cable or regular tee vee for that matter)
 any more- its all just crap( well maybe not the simpsons!)

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:15:54 EST
From: Kissman24 at aol dot com
Subject: In Reply to "Ear Candy"...

Hey Gang-
Besides, of course, KC, I listen to a wide variety of music, though they all
are related to rock n' roll in some way, shape, or form. This may come as a
surprise to some of you, but I'm very heavily into thrash metal, power metal,
and things like that...Recently, I've been constantly listening to:

-King Crimson's masterpiece, "Starless And Bible Black"...Such a great album,
as you all know! Not my absolute favorite, but one of their best
albums...Every time I hear this album, I discover something new. My favorite
song off the album is 'Night Watch'; this song puts me into something of a
trance-like state...Unbelievable.

-Iced Earth's latest offering, "Horror Show". My guess is that you guys
haven't heard of Iced Earth, so I'll tell you a bit about them. A traditional
power metal band, very heavily inspired by bands like Iron Maiden and Judas
Priest...if you're into metal, you'll love these guys. The album's theme is
kinda corny: Each song is about a horror movie or character, with the
exception of one. Though it may sound lame, it's truly an incredible album.

-Blind Guardian's most recent LP, "Nightfall In Middle Earth". Those familiar
with the works of J.R.R. Tolkien will fully understand this concept album,
which is about Tolkien's "The Silmarillion". Another power metal band, lots
of vocal harmonies and excellent guitar work throughout.

-Gentle Giant's "Free Hand". Gentle Giant are one of my all-time favorite
bands (along with, of course, KC!), and this is, in my eyes, their definitive
album. This is one of those albums that I could sit and listen to the whole
thing straight through and enjoy every minute...A bit more commercial than
GG's first few releases. Sounds a bit like King Crimson at times...to me,
anyway.

-Black Label Society's "Alcohol Fueled Brewtality". This is a live
album...Raw and VERY heavy...One of the heaviest CD's I own. It's truly
crunching! I would check it out if I were you...Really heavy stuff
though...Metal at its best.

...and tons more albums, too. I could go on all day! So many bands, so little
time...

I'd also like to say that I will probably be attending the KC show December
14th here in New York :-) I can't contain my excitement! I've never seen the
guys live before! I hope I can get tickets...

Stay Strong...
                     ---Mike

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:09:52 -0500
From: "Jordan Clifford" <GrooveHolmes394 at hotmail dot com>
Subject: Re: to Adams Re: to ear candy

Adam, whether it makes a difference or not, im about the same age as you
are, and i just thought id comment on your list of music you've been
listening to.
You couldnt have picked better albums the At The Drive In and especially Day
Dream Nation. Sonic Youth are among the best, if not the best, "indie" "art"
(whatever you wanna call them.. they've ranged from experimental white
noise, to punk, to just fun catchy songs)rock bands of the 80's-90's and
Daydream Nation may be their best. It is one of the best albums ever, ive
been listening to it a lot lately. And as for ATDI, Man do they have some
energy. i havent heard a band that made me this excited, excited because of
their music and because of their energy, in a long time. They are very
talented and they have a very interesting way of structuring songs. Very
layered, and the singer is very emotional and intense. Not to mention their
complicated, perhaps nonsensical lyrics which make the songs more intense. I
would have given anything to see them live. and while im on the topic, i
fucking LOVE their hair. and im not just saying it because i sport the exact
same style only in red, but i just think they are great.

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:13:17 -0500
From: "Jordan Clifford" <GrooveHolmes394 at hotmail dot com>
Subject: Re: Les Claypool Does Crimson... and Pet Gab!

Oh definately, I have All of the Primus albums, including the 2 cover
albums. Its very interesting to see Primus and Les play music they were
influenced by.

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:35:29 -0500
From: "Jordan Clifford" <GrooveHolmes394 at hotmail dot com>
Subject: Re: Oysterhead and other stuff... Good Music

OH man, lets not get me, or anyone else started on OTHER stuff. I totally
agree with everything you are saying about music snobs, Bob. With such
intelligent stuff like Jazz, and an intelligent band like Crimson its to be
expected.

I am a huge fan of.. good music. Anything good, i like. If its good Punk, i
like it. if its good Hip Hop, i like it. if its good "Pop", i like it. same
goes with everything else. I dont really like to categorize, but you wont
find me saying i hate a certain genre because there is something ill like
out of everyhting. I could list hundreds of band that im into. if i get
started, each band will lead me to another, and then ill never stop. but
here it goes anyway, ill try to restrict myself to my favorites right now
really into The White Stripes, Red Hot Chili Peppers (blood sugar sex magic:
best album of all time? no, but close :P) Tom Waits, Medeski Martin and
Wood, Sex Mob, Cibo Matto, Tool, Radiohead, ATDI, The Roots, A Tribe Called
Quest, Talking Heads, John Coltrane, Charlie Hadden, Mission Of Burma, shit,
i just cant go on. its just not possible for me to name some bands and not
name others, and most of these are fairly main stream compared to KC. if
anyone else can limit themselves id be interested to see what people listen
to, as would the rest of the newsletter it seems.

sorry for rambling
Jordan

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:07:06
From: "Dale Hoyt" <dalehoyt at hotmail dot com>
Subject: GIG REVIEW: San Francisco Show

Glad to report that the San Fran concert was magnificent despite all the
efforts of the Bill Graham people to make it a miserable oppressive
experience. BGP is why I don't go to see live music in San Francisco.

But Crim suffered through it all and gave an energetic and ocaassionaly
mischievous performance. The encore of Frame by Frame was wonderful and had
Belew and Fripp doing unheard harmonies towards the end that sounded like
the Mommas and Poppas. I assure you that's a compliment.

It also confirmed what I've always suspected but never said out loud: Adrian
Belew has the most beautiful male voice in popular music. He hit some high
notes in Dinosaur that would make Whitney Houstin jealous.

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:28:00 -0800
From: don lind <donlind at earthlink dot net>
Subject: GIG REVIEW: KC sound mix

Saw the show in SF.  The mix sucked. Sounded like  it was mixed by some
Limp Biskit/Green Day alumni. Too loud, no finesse. Now I like loud, but
this was stupid.

Management/Band should LISTEN.

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:54:50 -0800
From: Andy Heffernan <ahh at juniper dot net>
Subject: GIG REVIEW: Nov. 14 show in SF

I went to the show a few nights back at the Warfield in San Francisco.

This venue is right next to the Crazy Horse Gentlemen's Club, one
one of our finer strip club establishments.

Be careful to get in the right line!

"Gee, I never had to tip an opening act before."

Anyway.

John Paul Jones did an hour set (including encore), playing a mix of
his own material and Led Zeppelin songs.  He was having a great time,
and hey, it's nice to see survivors.  I think I prefer his own stuff
to the Zeppelin material, though.

King Crimson hit the stage a half-hour later.

The set list:

    Dangerous Curves
      -- a new one, a fabulous opening number and much more powerful
         and scary live than the performance on the Level Five Tour CD.
         Gives you that "Prepare to crap your pants" feeling.
    The ConstruKction Of Light
    ProzaKc Blues
    EleKctric
       -- don't remember specifics, but it reminded me of much
          of the TCOL material
    Dinosaur
    Elephant Talk
    Thela Hun Ginjeet
    Virtuous Circle
      -- Loved it, similar to ProjeKct material.
    Level Five
      -- Heavy stuff
    Frying Pan
      -- Either my location was bad (the floor) or the wadding in my
         ears was attenuating the high frequencies too much, but this
         one was too bottom heavy for me.  Bass and bass drum swamped
         all the guitar parts.  Didn't really work.
    Larks Tongues V
      -- There was a part in the middle where Robert and Adrian got
         lost and stopped playing for a few bars.  Oops.

Encore 1:
    Deception of the Thrush
      -- A different arrangement of the Thrush we've come to know
         and love.  Not a good first song for an encore, it starts out
         too quiet, and the audience was too charged up and wouldn't
         shut up and listen to it.
    Frame by Frame

Encore 2:
    Red
       -- Again, the low-end was a bit too heavy, and part of the
          drum part seemed to be working at cross purposes to the
          melody (such as it is)

Lights up, dodge the homeless on Market Street, go home...

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:03:52 -0800
From: "Fred Raimondi" <fred at d2 dot com>
Subject: GIG REVIEW: KC in Los Angeles (spoiler)

Saw KC last night at the Universal Amphitheater in Los Angeles, CA. The
playing was pretty stellar, but the sound was . . .how can I put this . . .
.annoying? The midranges (read guitars) were WAY TOO LOUD. So much so that
it kind of hurt to listen. When they played quietly, the sound was MUCH
better. Actually, enjoyable. Pat and Trey were in the pocket and last night
was the tightest I've ever seen their rhythm section.

On the Discipline (D being 1 and e being 10) scale I give this show a  . . .
 .

Discip

Actually, one of the funiest things that I heard while trying to observe
those around me as i was leaving was this guy who kept on saying "No Larks
Tongue . . . No Red . . . .what kind of Crimson show is that" In reality he
was wrong, because they did play Larks' tongue IV from TCOL. I noticed a few
youngsters there which I was secretly hoping were there to see KC and not
John Paul Jones (who I might add was a disappointment). The male to female
ratio was about 15:1 and one of the really funny things was that there was a
line outside of the men's room instead of the ladies room.

Nonetheless, KC never disappoints.

Cheers

Fred Raimondi

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"Establish the posible and move gradually towards the impossible"
-Robert Fripp

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