Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #872 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 872 Friday, 7 September 2001 Today's Topics: CADENCE & CASCADE Two Cents' More Re: Ken Burns, etc. Cobain+Wetton=Hammill An Announcement The Flower Kings information "Crimson" reunion Re: 4:ii (correction: I AM stupid) CD Filk: "Neil and Jeb and Me" the Other KC: CK Peter Hammill Live DAMAGE Re: Level 5 Re: 24 bit Discipline re-master defect? 24 bit Discipline re-master defect? Enough Already. :-) Re: Genesis, Peter Gabriel & Tool Radius Re: 24 bit Discipline re-master defect? Re: Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Tool more about the southamerica issue Soundscapes Daevid Allen University of Errors Giles giles+fripp lp ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2001 19:38:22 GMT From: crpm at eresmas dot com Subject: CADENCE & CASCADE Hi! Last Saturday I became aware that a particular and exciting bootleg of Premiata Forneria Marconi exists. From the 1973 tour, Cadence & Cascade comprises PFM naterial and a version of Cadence & Cascade and three songs from Still, performed by Peter Sinfield with Mel Collins and the whole of PFM backing. I am searching this boot, and other unofficial material from Peter Sinfield (BBC, etc). In the Fripp's discography I've found that the Recorder Three traKCs of solo frippertronics were reissued on a Voiceprint CD. But this particular record is out of catalogue. Any of You can help me? I've got some unofficial material (CDRs) from Fripp, in and out of Crimson, to trade with. Drop me a line. My name is Carlos Romeo and my e-amil is crpm at eresmas dot com. Thank you very much. --- ?Apuntes, trabajos, practicas, problemas? Todo para el estudiante en www.rincondelvago.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 20:10:13 EDT From: JohnWylam at aol dot com Subject: Two Cents' More Re: Ken Burns, etc. Hi, Folks -- The Ken Burns thread is of special interest these days. After watching the *Jazz* documentary, I came away thinking what a conservative position Burns took, not at all surprising in the current US political climate tho how much more refreshing would it all have been had Burns dared to open out his definition of jazz at all. When you consider how prominent Wynton Marsalis was in terms of citation, treating the audience to his own deeply conservative point of view regarding what is and is not jazz, then perhaps this isn't so surprising. To treat Coleman, Coltrane, the Art Ensemble of Chicago, Sun Ra and so many others, in this way reminds me not a little of Harold Bloom's impertinence in designing the modern canon in poetry. Finally, it's up to us, the audience, to decide who is truly of importance and who is less worthy of praise. I agree wholeheartedly with Craig's comment about Sun Ra, by the way. As someone said of Frank Zappa by way of eulogy (and why the hell didn't people write such things while the visionaries are still alive?) a great many musicians could've sued him for paternity. Now, to bring the subject back around to KC in particular. I'm always distressed when this band, and the prog movement in general, is treated the way it is by writers who have little/no experience with this music and give it nothing in the way of attention. VH1's greatest-band countdown is a possible case in point, tho I ought be happy KC so much as made the list at all. It occurs to me that the aforementioned Frank Zappa ought to have been higher on that list as well, but innovation takes a back seat to economics, to marketing. I shudder to think what this list will look like in twenty-five years. Re: Brian's comment about KC and the relation to other art forms, it made me think of a reviewer's comment about a collection of Robert Lowell's poems, that Lowell had "made poetry difficult again," as tho one person could do any such thing alone. KC, partly through the suggestivity of language and partly through a sense of musicianship that walks across boundary lines and reminds us how vague those markers actually are, serves the audience as an ongoing lesson, or series thereof, threads of which we follow as audience members/respondents. When you're confronted by a piece of art, a novel, film, painting, work of stained glass, whichever, and it moves you to answer in your own artistic idiom, you experience the same thing Fripp talks about when he defines truly motivating music as that which "makes [him] want to reach for [his] guitar." If you've seen Chagall's paintings or stained glass, for example, particularly the example that hangs at the Art Institute of Chicago, it moves you. Lessing will absolutely make you hallucinate. Then, you might feel motivated to respond in the artistic language you've chosen, or which has chosen you. OK, I'll stop here. A belated happy annniversary to ET from an aging Crimhead who plays this music in his office at school and has often encountered this question from his students: "Who's that? I've never heard *that* before...." Helping to keep the ball in the air.... John Wylam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 09:02:39 -0400 From: Bob Pascarella Subject: Cobain+Wetton=Hammill Someone had just responded to an old post of mine suggesting a Wetton influence in certain Nirvana vocals. I had further suggested a comparison to Peter Hammill, stating that Kurt might have heard a little number called "Disengage" at one point of his short life. It was then suggested that this would provide for a typical ET thread. So..there it is. R.P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 21:35:45 +0700 From: Xenantaya Subject: An Announcement If you happen to be in Indonesia on the 7th of September..... INDONESIAN PROGRESSIVE SOCIETY proudly present: INDONESIA PROGRESSIVE FESTIVAL 2001 Sept 7, 4 p.m onwards Bale Ayer Taman Ria Senayan, Jakarta Headliners: DISCUS This 7-piece band appeared to ProgDay USA 2000 and BajaProg Mexico 2001 and have released their debut album, Discus 1st, on Italian Mellow Records (worldwide) and Aquarius Musikindo (Indonesia). Discus has several other well acclaimed performances during their short tour in USA as well as some local gigs in Jakarta and Bandung. Recently they were honored as the opening band in this years Jakarta Anniversary. Discus uniqueness in blending progressive rock with ethnic, jazz and chamber music honored the band as the pioneer in the rebirth of Indonesias progressive rock. At Indonesian Progressive Festival 2001, Discus will perform highlights from their first album and songs from their forthcoming new album scheduled for release this September! SMESTA Indonesian Neo-prog? This 6-piece band offers us well-composed songs in the Neo-progressive vein. While preparing their debut album, Smesta has performed several times received acknowledge from media. Their first album is scheduled to release also this September. PENDULUM This Indonesian progressive-metal-fusion quartet has countless local gigs experience. Pendulum offers another dimension of progressive-metal-fusion, this all-instrumental band will definitely rock the audience. They will perform songs from their upcoming debut album. The Indonesian Progressive Festival 2001 will be their first time major public appearance as Pendulum! IN MEMORIAM This is a 5-piece band playing Gothic. I've listened to their demo tape and all I can say is WOW! Something dark and hard I'm sure will be the most interesting band in the evening. VANTASIA Another 5-piece band bringing a song or two of their self-composed songs in the progressive metal vein. THE MIRACLE Again a 5-piece band plays DT-ish progressive metal. They're damn good and will cover around 2 Dream Theater hits. X-TRA Still a very talented 5-piece musicians to play in a DT-ish vein. These four bands are scheduled to be the first bands in the evening. Another instrumental band is being auditioned at the moment. I heard they're something in the Canterbury vein. Can't wait to hear the news. Apart from the festival, there will be a small counter selling used CDs, tapes, videos, laserdisc, DVDs, vinyls and also Roger Dean posters. ABOUT THE VENUE Bale Ayer is a venue inside Taman Ria Senayan complex. Located in central Jakarta this lakeside stage is very popular for its remarkable outdoor environment. Excellent sound system and lighting will definitely highlight progressive music to the outdoor crowd. Ticket price: Rp 50.000,- each except Rp 20.000,- for students Tickets are being produced and ticketbox will be announced soon. However you can contact us and booked in advance. Please contact us by sending details to our email address below. More Information: Indonesian Progressive Society Secretary Office email: id_prog at yahoo dot com Witness the resurrection of Indonesian progressive music!!!! Salam Sakral! Reza! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 10:47:43 -0400 From: Timothy Roache Subject: The Flower Kings If you are in the New York / New Jersey / Philadelphia area, please come out and support the best prog band on earth that no one knows about, the Flower Kings, on their current tour. They are playing the Bottom Line in New York City Tue 9/4, 7:30 and 10:30, and Philly the following night, followed by shows in Jersey and Boston. Check out www.flower-power.org.uk . Please come out and support this exceptional band, they are anticipating that they will lose something like $10,000 on their US tour. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 12:20:05 -0400 From: "odemaris chiorino" Subject: information hello, i'm chilean, i don't speak or write very well in english. I want to know if king crimson will come to Chile in October, here i listen king crimson visit chile but in your web site i don't see anythingn about this. Please answer my email and excuse me for mistake, thank you and bye Odemaris Chiorino Descargue GRATUITAMENTE MSN Explorer en http://explorer.msn.es/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 15:28:56 -0400 From: hwhitman at scte dot org (Howard B. Whitman) Subject: "Crimson" reunion From an interview with Genesis guitarist Steve Hackett, as posted on www.worldofgenesis.com and linked at www.stevehackett.com: WOG: Record Collector Magazine wrote that you plan to join forces with some ex-King Crimson members to record under the name Crimson. Is that true? SH: It's not strictly true. Mike Giles, who was the original King Crimson drummer, phoned me up and asked if I would be interested in playing at a concert over a re-formed King Crimson with all of the original members; because, they'd assumed that Robert Fripp wouldn't want to do it. So, he asked would I be interested having worked with Ian (McDonald). So I said, "tell me more." It seems that there may be a number of guest musicians for this. they may have a number of guitarists to, perhaps, help them get over the fact that they are without their original guitarist. They wanted to do the classic material, early stuff. Whether or not they'll still do this, I don't know, but I gather that various people apart from Robert (Fripp) have given it the thumbs up...from the original 1969 Crimson. WOG: So, this is more of a one-off thing? There are no plans for an album? SH: Well, I think this is talking about a one-off thing. I don't think that they intend to get together to record an album. It's nice to be asked is all I can say. Sheds some interesting light on the rumors floating around... The rest of the interview is worth checking out as well, including some pointed commentary on Genesis and his ill-fated supergroup with Steve Howe, GTR. take care all, Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2001 22:36:46 +0200 From: "Marcus Enochsson" Subject: Re: 4:ii (correction: I AM stupid) Hi again folks! It seems that I made a too hasty conclusion in my last post. I assumed that I wasn't stupid, but the brutal reality proved to be intirely different from how I had perceived it. I AM, in fact, stupid. Either I had simply missed to paste the copied review extracts from toolshed.com before submitting my initial post to ET, or there was some sort of screw-up with hotmail sending pasted or forwarded material or whatever, that I either didn't notice or perhaps, couldn't notice. Either way I apologize to Mike and other ET maintaining dudes. Though I now partly feel that I want to let this case rest, I also realise that there are many interesting observations about King Crimson, made by Tool fans that still may bring some joyful lecture to some of us. So, here we go again, KC related extracts of gig reviews found on Toolshed (far from complete): From a bit into the 5 aug site and forward to the 10 aug: "We took our seats and watched that which is King Crimson. Quasi-Futuristic, complex, spacey with a touch of Butt Rock is my uneducated opinion of the performance. Overall I dug the set and the sounds, more compelling than I could have Imagined. Pretty tight band. I only noticed one fuck up. Pretty tight. I intend to look into these guys. The butt rock sound came mostly from Robert Fripp's guitar. It just had what I would call a butt rock sound. A little too much in my opinion. " "king crimson started at 7:30. i thought it was very funny that NO ONE noticed that danny was just walking around the auditorium before he went to the soundboard area. he walked by me twice or so.. " "Oh, and King Crimson? FUCKING ROCKED. Their albums do them very little justice compared to their live set; I'm not familiar enough with them to tell you what all they played (and i missed at least one song at the beginning because of my nicotine habit) but I recognized FraKctured (i think) and Into the Frying Pan from the latest album in there somewhere. If any of you get the chance to see this little leg of the tour, DO IT. King Crimson was great. The bassist had some kind of really fucked up 10-string bass (Being ignorant as I am, I did some research -- it's not a bass at all. It's a touch guitar, I believe that particular one was custom built by Warr Guitars. 10 strings, MIDI, has the full range of a PIANO.. Trey Gunn made that thing *sing*!)" "King Crimson played a killer set, I"ve never heard anything like it. They even played some classics like Thela hun jin jeet and Elephant talk. While watching the show I noticed in the right hand corner a huge black bulge draped in the backround, we were crossing our fingers it would be the gold kit. " "Anyway, King Crimson rocked. They have these king of rocky spooky music that would go perfect with some old horror movie. The "bass" player was interesting. For a while I didn't know where the low sounds came from. I thought the guy sitting down was making them but he had a guitar. Another reviewer cleared it up for me. I want a touch guitar:(" "King Crimson came on and played a 5 song set. If youve never heard their music, its a weird mix between tools songs length, les claypools awesome bass playing, and the 1970's guitar solo venture. An ok band, but now Im ready to see who I paid for." "King Crimson was good. I don't like them, I don't dislike them, but I respect them if they were an inspiration to Tool." "Before I forget, King Krimson was really good and very "trippy." I am looking forward to a second listen tomorrow so I can better comprehend what it was that I heard. Some really cool shit! " "King Crimson was just *amazing*, and their influences on Tool were very apparent... I had never heard them before, so I didn't know what to expect, but I was very pleased with their performace. During and after their hour long performance, the crowd showed them a TREMENDOUS amount of respect... absolutely no booing, only one or two calls of `TOOL!`, and at least a minute of roaring applause after they finished... very cool." "King Crimson rocked their diehard fans. I myself was in my own little world waiting to hear my favorite melodies and epics." "Wow, what can I say. King Crimson was alright, they sure had energy if nothing else." "King Crimson was interesting to watch as well...By the way...All you people yelling "Get off the stage" or "We want Tool" should hit yourself...hard...Can't you show a little respect?" "I had no idea what to expect out of King Crimson; they were great! I think it's safe to say that they had some influence on Tool. Trippy guitar work, and their bass player with that solo?!?! Wow. I may just go out and buy one of their cds." "King Crimson were very interesting, this was the first time I'd ever heard their material and although their set got a little boring at the end they put on a good show." "First of all, king krimson was the worst open since the cows at the ups field house." "King Crimson took the stage as people continued to fumble about, lighting their lighters in an attempt to shed some light on the aisle and seat numbers, making noise and distracting the few of us actually on time for the show. Honestly it wasn't that upsetting because it was only King Crimson on stage. Although I respect their talent (and they do have a tremendous amount of talent), it simply didn't do it for me as much as I would have liked. Yet Im still cheered loudly as each song ended as did many of the fans. Tool was also very appreciative as Maynard showed in one of his monologues to the audience: 'It's an honor being able to play with King Crimson this tour. Being able to play with King Crimson is like Lenny Kravitz being able to play with Led Zeppelin or Britney Spears being able to play with Debbie Gibson. I'm a big Debbie Gibson fan. Not so much a Britney fan though. More of a Christina fan. Trailer trash...mascara...' All the while the crowd erupted with laughter." "King Crimson kinda sucked but they had some good sounds here and there, TOOL is the best band out there today, no one can step to their level, its just sweet to see a band like this play and when they come back, I WILL BE THERE .....TOOL FUCKIN TOOL!" "well all i got to say is that was the best show hands down ive ever seen.i was so pissed during crimsons set list because all of the assholes yelling,"king crimson sucks!" and shit like that. what is the point in being negative about music that has inspired a band like tool. i dunno i geuss this is just pissing in the ocean. so anyways about the concert. " "King Crimson was everything and more. Incredible display of musicianship and artistry. Brilliant. They even played "Red". If you don't what this means, shame on you. " "Okay so King Crimson played well. There bassist impressed me the most but pardon me if I leave it at that" "King Crimson came out and played for a while, and while there bassist was amazing and their sound was unique, I was there for Tool alone, as was everyone else in the theater. " Cheers, Marcus PS. I've read two reviews in Swedish papers of Rosenbergs: Mission You, 3 and 4 out of 5. Very positive reviews. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 00:38:53 EDT From: SteveAFran at aol dot com Subject: CD Just a note to announce that I have a new CD with Tony Levin and Larry Coryell as special guests. I play Chapman Stick also. Tony on Stick , Jerry Marotta (drums) and I (Stick), recorded at Jerry's studio. Find info at SteveAdelson.com Thanks, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 23:49:30 -0700 (PDT) From: cave deum Subject: Filk: "Neil and Jeb and Me" Inspiration struck the other day... i spent the last hour filling in holes. If you find my politics abhorrent, please don't burden the list with your opinion; just e-mail me instead. Or write your own filk. ===== I'm deals, i am making deals I am the 1995 Texas governor I'm deals, i am making deals making deals I am the 2001 US President A team.....the Texas Rangers Flying planes...the National Guard... Digging for oil in this great state... There's a fraud we've all seen before... Defaulting on loans to the S&L With hands full of taxpayer money we laugh as we profit hundredfold... run for governor of Florida and win Hurry up and wait for Poppy to run for president Which sets a Bush precedent... Texas ranch homesickness in a clean White House And the longest ever trip to Europe.....no Speak no speak no speak no speak your language Mangle English for the fun of it... a world laughs I can't explain, i sit alone at home I sit alone at home.....Neil and Jeb and me Dimwit brothers, dimwit brothers... ===== rone i wonder if ade will see this... heh -- Looking for God's underpants since 1985. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 16:02:57 +0000 From: "lawrence moseley" Subject: the Other KC: CK Hi all, Just wondering if anyone has heard any more about the Steve Hackett Guitar'd Crimson King? I have not heard anything for a while, is this going ahead, rehearsals perhaps? Ciao for now Lawrence ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:52:32 +0100 From: Tim Bowness Subject: Peter Hammill Live Sorry to deviate from some of the existing threads, but I thought the following may be of interest to some of the UK based contributors to this list: Burning Shed And The Norwich Fringe Festival Present: Peter Hammill - Monday, 8th October, Assembly House Music Room, Theatre Street, Norwich. Doors open 7.30pm, performance starts 8.15pm. Tickets are priced at #10 and are available from the Norwich Arts Centre box office (phone 01603 660352/fax 01603 664806) and www.burningshed.com (for secure online ordering subject to a #1 booking fee). Legendary singer-songwriter Peter Hammill makes a rare trip to Norwich to perform an entirely acoustic reading of songs spanning his distinguished and prolific 33 year career. The former leader of Goth Prog mavericks Van Der Graaf Generator has created a unique and challenging body of work that has proved a major influence on the disparate likes of New Wave icons Howard Devoto, John Lydon and Mark E Smith, and 80's pop Gods Human League, Billy Mackenzie, The Cure and Fish. With his latest album, 'What, Now?', Hammill continues to propagate his most singular of musical visions. An experience not to be missed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:10:52 -0800 From: "Alvaro Vallejos" Subject: DAMAGE Hi, I don't know if I'm sending this to the right person. Anyway, I just heard that a new mix/master of Damage by Sylvian/Fripp is going to be realesed soon. Can you post any information in the site? Thanks, Alvaro ApexMail now registers domains! www.apexmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:42:12 +1000 From: "Peter Allen" Subject: Re: Level 5 Erh... How do you know about this new KC piece? Peter > Date: Monday, 27 Aug 2001 12:38:03 > From: erikv at vargaresearch dot com (Erik Varga) > Subject: Level 5 > > I was listening to 'The Repercussions of Angelic Behavior' CD from > 'Rieflin, Fripp, Gunn' this morning and heard something familiar... > Has anyone else noticed that Track 8 is the same guitar riff as the > new King Crimson piece: Level 5 ? Dr Peter Allen (pda at melbpc dot org dot au) Melbourne PC User Group ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 02:15:47 -0500 From: "Brett Needham" Subject: Re: 24 bit Discipline re-master defect? My re-master copy of Discipline skips on "Sheltering Sky" as well. Has anyone tried to contact DGM to see what they have to say about this? Brett Needham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 20:01:50 +1000 From: "Peter Allen" Subject: 24 bit Discipline re-master defect? No, I don't have the problem. I have the made in EU version gatefold, but bought when that batch first came out in the USA. Sorry, that doesn't help much. Peter Dr Peter Allen (pda at melbpc dot org dot au) Melbourne PC User Group ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 12:38:34 -0400 From: mike Subject: Re: Genesis, Peter Gabriel & Tool "I'm not particularly fond of vicarious anger so I observed. I thought they booted Peter Gabriel from Genesis for coming on stage like that." It's all a matter of taste: personally, I'm sick of bands like Tool. And, the three songs written by the Collins/Genesis you mentioned were all written for the radio and in most musician's opinions are just that - commercial crap. If you read up on Genesis & Gabriel, he QUIT the band (not booted to quote you), announcing to the band and media prior to "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway" tour, saying, he "wanted to go in a different direction which the band was going" i.e. commercial music written for the radio. He wrote "Salisbury Hill" about it, if you listen. I saw the first Genesis tour without Gabriel and was appalled: Collins singing the brilliant "Supper's Ready" with lyrics written by Gabriel, while throwing tambourines from the stage so as to feed his ego watching everyone jump up. He turned a true epic composition into what would become the usual commercial Collins shit. I saw the first Gabriel tour and it was AMAZING: Fripp on guitar, Steve Hunter on guitar, and not all the little teeny-boppers Collins appealed to. Where is Collins today? Spending all the money from his radio songs, while Gabriel continues to write music, produce smaller bands, and promote other bands & causes. Seems like one of the two had only money on his mind. Artist? Yes. Music masterpieces? Not hardly. But maybe commercial genius. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 14:23:50 +0200 From: "Zygmunt Gruntkowski" Subject: Radius Hi! As a KC fan I've been trying to get all (I don't doubt all are valuable:-) valuable releases connected somehow with King Crimson. Having heard Low Flying Aircraft (1986) with David Cross and Kieth Tippet I'm interseted in Radius music, a band with D. Cross founded after LFA project. Does anybody know their music and could write a bit about it? Unfortunately I've heard that their CDs are actually unvailable (?). If anybody could help me to buy or trade these albums please contact me: zyfri at wp dot pl ziggy Discigraphy: Arc Measuring (88) Sightseeing (89) Elevation (92) Severe Test (93, as Geoff Serle) There Is No Peace (95) Civilizations (00) -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 10:41:30 -0500 From: Steve Marshall Subject: Re: 24 bit Discipline re-master defect? At 09:42 PM 9/1/01 +0000, Glenn Longmuir wrote: I've gone through 3 brand new copies of the gatefold 24bit remaster of >Discipline (made in Holland) and each one has skipped on track 6; The >Sheltering Sky. There are no visible surface defects and I've tried it >on 3 different cd players with no luck. Has anyone else had this >problem? Mine plays fine (and sounds great)..... Steve Steve Marshall Editor - The Night Owl stevem at thenightowl dot com The best place on the web for music reviews Member - National Music Critics Association Check out the latest edition of Night Owl Radio - now online! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:14:28 GMT From: crimson at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Mike Dickson) Subject: Enough Already. :-) OK - enough about Genesis and Tool already. :-) Mike Dickson ET Administration and Distribution, Temporary Moderator and Janitor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 14:36:53 -0400 From: "Jon Woodworth" Subject: Re: Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Tool >>Yeah, and what happened when he left? Peter Gabriel went on to write >>"The Rhythm of the Heat" and "Here Comes the Flood", while Collins' >>Genesis came up with such brilliant masterpieces as "Invisible Touch", >>"Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" and "I Can't Dance". Yes, I think we can >>all be quite sure where the talent did, does, and always will lie. Actually, most of Gabriel era Genesis music was written by Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford. Check out "A Trick of the Tail" and "Wind and Wuthering" if you don't believe me. Both are excellent albums, both were produced post-Gabriel. And to address the post that you were addressing: I don't think Gabriel was 'kicked out' of Genesis. Now back to Crimson... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 18:46:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Luis Jimenez Subject: more about the southamerica issue Hi guys, I have been reading all this stuff about the southamerican fake tour, I think I have somthing to say here. First of I'm a musician and I don't play in places that I don't want to or I cannot play, however I don't think that's the point of Mr. Fripp, probably the schedule of krimson is to tight now for a Southamerican tour or even world tour, maybe they have other things to get done before that, so I don't think that Fripp and the guys have anything againts to play in southamerica. On the other hand, I lived 27 years in Caracas-Venezuela, I know how does it feel to know that your favorite band is touring everywhere except your country (or countries) is very frustrating and sometimes you hate the band because of that, I barely could see 2 or 3 progressive shows down there and personally I don't think that southamerica is third world anymore!! there's enough people buying krimson or any other progressive band CD's in Brazil, Peru, Argentina, Venezuela, etc and this people ussually pays a lot more for that material than we pay here in the states, just because is a "special interest music" I was one of those who paid $30 for "B'boom live in Argentina" or "Thrakattack"... Perhaps late this year or early next year King Crimson would be touring around the world and I really wish they include South America not just because it deserves but because people down there really love the band!. Thanx for reading. Jorge Jimenez Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:39:43 -0400 From: "Peter Badore" Subject: Soundscapes Don't know if this has been discussed in the past, but I'm interested in more details on Robert's equipment. I've been doing references on the web and have found most of the stuff comparing it to the photo on DGM's soundscape page. But I'm in the dark about at least 3 items. Here's what I've found based on ET, DGM, and www.guitargeek.com : Floor: Roctron All-Access Midi Pedal Roland VG-8 Guitar System Roland GR-30 Guitar Synthesizer Roland GR(-1) Guitar Synthesizer Digitech Whammy Pedal Rack (based on photo): Top Section: Eventide 3500 Harmonizer Eventide 3000 Harmonizer Main Section: Roland GP-100 Guitar Preamp/Processor Roland GP-100 Guitar Preamp/Processor TC 2290 Digital Delay TC 2290 Digital Delay Sound Sculpture Switchblade 16 TC 2290 Digital Delay TC 2290 Digital Delay 3 other devices Carver PT 1250 Stereo Amplifier Would appreciate any corrections, updates, and information on whatever those three unidentified items happen to be. Peter Badore (KC fan since '76!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:37:27 -0700 From: "PT" Subject: Daevid Allen University of Errors I'm the drummer on the University of Errors albums. We recorded a version of 21st century "Prog-rock" man for the 2nd album, but didn't include it. Daevid's "prog rock" man takes some funny liberty with the lyrics. However, I'm not playing on this current tour, so I'm not sure what the live "Island" jams are, however I would be the only guy in the band who would know the songs on that album (I assume you mean the Islands LP by KC?) I did tour with the band on 2 previous tours, on which several nights I wore either a KC "Red" or "Larks Tongue" T-shirt on stage. My pal/boss/bandleader David was not entirely amused by that !?!?! cheers, Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 09:02:05 +0100 From: "Keith Wright" Subject: Giles giles+fripp lp Anyone who has not yet got a copy of Metaphormosis I have 4 copies left priced @ #15 post free in uk thank you ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #872 ********************************