Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #858 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 858 Saturday, 14 July 2001 Today's Topics: Heavy ConstruKction Re: Dragon cover? Nico,Tony Levin & Trey Gunn LP grooves Re: Dragon cover? Re: Dragon Cover? Two grooves on a cd ! (kind-of) Dragon Cover Crimson Cartoon groovy Re: How I got into King Crimson Robert Fripp Question Tool inspired by KC? KC to be inspired by Tool? "Fridays" US TV appearance Re: Fripp & Blondie ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 21:35:25 +0100 From: "Colin Gort" Subject: Heavy ConstruKction I refer to Cd 2 of the above triple album that contains concert footage. Despite following the instructions, I am unable to obtain the password from www.kingcrimson/password.htm as it is unavailable. Please could you make this available so that I can watch this brilliant concert. Regards; Colin Gort (KC fanatic since Hyde Park 1969) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 20:27:33 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Dragon cover? At 10:16 PM 7/6/01 GMT, Clark Ray wrote: >A friend of mine was telling me about an album in the late 60s or early 70s >by a band that she's pretty sure included Robert Fripp and Greg Lake. She >thought it was King Crimson, but I know (or at least I think I do) all of >the early King Crimson album covers. She says the cover was of a dragon and >in the dragon's mouth was a beautiful woman (possibly a girl). Do you have >any idea what the album was and who it was by? The album referred to is not a Crimson album. It is a solo album by Crimson's original lyricist, Pete Sinfield, originally called Still. The CD release of it is called Stillusion and has been remastered and features bonus tracks. It was released by Voiceprint. As I recall, Robert Fripp does not appear on it. However, other Crimson alumni such as Greg Lake, John Wetton, Mel Collins, etc., do appear on it. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:00:07 -0400 From: "Caruso, Josette" Subject: Nico,Tony Levin & Trey Gunn Nico and Recky and I went to see the CGT last week...with Tony Levin. Nico likes to be playful with Trey (you have no idea how glad I am!) and, she had a very cute idea....she wore something extra special, just so that Trey would get a real laugh out of the photo I took with her and Tony..... http://www.NicosIntimateNotebook.com xoxoxoxoxox Josette ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:16:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Ben Wolfson Subject: LP grooves A frighteningly high number of people have mentioned Monty Python's three-sided LP, but so far I don't think anyone's mentioned the 8-sided record MAD Magazine once released. I think it was one groove for most of the record, but the last song had 8 different endings. -- Barnabas T. Rumjuggler Isn't hip hop *really* just a Eurocentric post-colonial colonization to sell more Sprite and Glocks? -- Crgre Jvyyneq ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 17:28:38 -0400 From: David Shattuck Subject: Re: Dragon cover? >A friend of mine was telling me about an album in the late 60s or early 70s >by a band that she's pretty sure included Robert Fripp and Greg Lake. She >thought it was King Crimson, but I know (or at least I think I do) all of >the early King Crimson album covers. She says the cover was of a dragon and >in the dragon's mouth was a beautiful woman (possibly a girl). Do you have >any idea what the album was and who it was by? This could be the debut album by Montrose, entitled "Warner Bros. presents Montrose!" which was released in 1975, after Ronnie Montrose left the Edgar Winters Group. The cover has a winged Godzilla-like monster holding a beautiful woman in its' arms. No members of Crimson were ever in Montrose, but Sammy Hagar (ex-Van Halen) was, although he was not on the first album. Hope this helps. Dave S. Rochester, NY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 16:05:04 -0700 From: John Brower Subject: Re: Dragon Cover? In ET #855, Ray Clark wrote: "A friend of mine was telling me about an album in the late 60s or early 70s by a band that she's pretty sure included Robert Fripp and Greg Lake. She thought it was King Crimson, but I know (or at least I think I do) all of the early King Crimson album covers. She says the cover was of a dragon and in the dragon's mouth was a beautiful woman (possibly a girl). Do you have any idea what the album was and who it was by?" Many will recall that this is Peter Sinfield's STILL (1973), which features Greg Lake, Keith Tippett, Boz Burrell, Mel Collins, Ian Wallace and John Wetton among its players. Robert Fripp was not an active contributor. The cover is indeed a dragon with a young girl resting in its mouth. The painting is "The Big Friend" by German artist Sulamith Wulfing. FYI, you can order prints of her artwork from: http://www.paperpeddler.com/ John B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:40:16 +0200 From: Marchetti_Herve Subject: Two grooves on a cd ! (kind-of) Joe Funk wrote: >"Monty Python's LP: "Matching Tie & Handkerchief" >has two separate grooves on side 2.. >When I first purchased it, I couldn't understand why you >would hear 2 totally different sets of comedy skits on the same >side!! (Unfortunately, this cannot be reproduced on CD..)" Well, there's a trick that can be done on a cd that almost gives the same feeling: I have this CD by the late Belgian band Kiss My Jazz, which contains a 'hidden' album within itself. If you load the cd and simply press play (just like every regular cd), you'll hear an album, with multiple songs, and everything is fine. Then, if you load the cd, press play, and then press and hold the <<-search key on your cd player, the cd will amazingly rewind "before" the first track. Hold it until the time displays something like [-30:00] (I don't quiet remember the exact time), release the search key, and there you are, you have about 30 minutes of additionnal music, 'another' album within the album. This maneuvre is described in an hidden notice behind the plastic cd carrier (inside the cd box), along with informations and track listing for the 'ghost album' (as they call it). Does anyone knows of other cds with this clever type of bonus tracks? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:15:25 -0700 From: "Scott Salat" Subject: Dragon Cover Regarding the query about the album cover containing the picture of the dragon, I seem to recall that Peter Sinfield's first (only?) solo effort had such a cover. I can't, however, remember whether Fripp and/or Lake appeared or whether there was a woman in the dragon's mouth. I guess I'll have to haul out the old vinyl and take a look. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:44:13 +0200 From: "Florian Reiss" Subject: Crimson Cartoon Hey-ho! I guess most of you already checked out the great artwork by Denis Rodier for the BPM&M album "XtraKcts & ArtifaKcts". If you guys are interested in some more hilarious Crimso cartoon snips & bits from Rodier, you should click on this link http://expresso.qc.ca/users/drodier/pages/comics/humor/bpm/bpmThb.html Enjoy! flo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:08:58 -0400 From: "Thompson T. Terry, Jr." Subject: groovy Hi gang! Not meaning to be too uber-geeky (showing my true nature ;) but Mad Magazine's acetate record "Super Spectacular Day" (circa 1980?) had 8 grooves on its one side for each of the 8 different "surprise" endings to the song depending on where you dropped the needle. It made for good entertainment on the syndicated radio Dr. Demento Show at the time. -- Uh oh, too much information. Reeling me back into Crim-land, I have "Sundays All Over The World." Is this the first recording of Trey on a touch style guitar? Also, I would like a recommendation on Toyah Willcox's solo output. What's worth seeking out, if anything, and why? Private replies please, unless this is a general interest subject. Thanks. TTT Thompson Terry mailto:tterry at palisade dot com http://www.palisade.com =============================== "Vision without Action is a daydream; Action without Vision is a nightmare." - Japanese proverb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Subject: Re: How I got into King Crimson In ET 855, "o`oGothiC ShadoWo'o" wrote: > > Later on, Napster started to lose money as Metallica sued the hell out of > them. So I downloaded "AudioGalaxy Satellite" (which, might I add, not a > bad program AT ALL)... and typed in King Crimson. A looooooong list > appeared and a lot of them were the newer songs. I decided to check out > some of the songs. I loved those songs!!! > > I guess I'm not too fond of the live performances but the studio albums are > some of the greatest! So now I'm a 15-year-old King Crimson freak. I > purchase the albums like crazy (and other bands... but King Crimson is the > most important at this moment...) Greetings, Thanks for sharing your story - I'm always happy to hear of new crim-heads. FWIW, my advice is to go back and listen to those live CDs every once in a while. If you're like me, you will eventually be amazed. When I wear my KC/LTiA t-shirt around, I often get comments along the lines of "are those guys still around?" and "King Crimson... I remember them". I always explain that they are still active and making great new music, but mostly get blank stares in return. In the face of that nonsense, it is nice hear that new Crim is getting through to new fans. Then again, perhaps I need to get a "Nuovo Metal" t-shirt instead (when it comes out) so that the older fans won't recognize it (though LTiA is by far my favorite album cover). Also, it is good to hear that the Internet continues to do a good job of bypassing those traditional roadblocks-in-the-way-of-new-music, MTV and radio. > Oh yeah, and one more thing... I found a live version of "Cirkus" and it > sounds like Boz Burrel's voice... it was "Live in Boston" so I don't know if > it's him or not, I can only guess. Yep. I think the Boz-fronted Crim was the only one to play Cirkus live. Yours, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:31:13 EDT From: SOCE1 at aol dot com Subject: Robert Fripp Question Did Robert Fripp ever play with Foreigner? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:56:15 -0400 From: Johnny Romano Subject: Tool inspired by KC? KC to be inspired by Tool? > >Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 23:41:13 -0500 >From: "Sam Wesley" >Subject: Tool inspired by KC? KC to be inspired by Tool? > >Am I listening to the same CD as the folks making such a suggestion? > >What I'm hearing is a band that sounds more like Metallica than anything >else. There may be a little rockin' Rush in there, but again, that sounds >like Metallica (who have opening expressed their Rush influence). Most of >the guitar work sounds like so much death head banging chords. The drumming >is heavily based on bass drum and what sounds like large mallet drumming. >The singing is largely unvarying and the lyrics are hard to make out. > >I can't make out any musical association. > >Sam > I think you need to learn more about music and listen to it again. The similarities are more than obvious. For someone to honesty say such things as you have leads me to believe that you don't really understand what you're talking about. 1 - You said it sounds more like metallica. Obviously you've never really listened to any metallica before. 2 - "Death Head" banding chords? 3 - Heavily based on bass drum? What?!?!? 4 - The lyrics are hard to make out because you're brain does not yet know how to seperate the vocalist from the music. After less than half a week of listening I was able to sing along to about 75% of the lyrical content. My recommendation is that you listen to a little more Tool, and I cannot stress the importance of getting to know the songs through repeated listening. Then listen to crimson again and surely you will see what seperates tool from the metal bands they are associated with. mike http://www.mp3.com/phoenixdown ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:37:35 -0500 From: "Michael Kilpatrick" Subject: "Fridays" US TV appearance [Unknown MIME type or encoding (text/html), contents not processed] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:45:09 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Fripp & Blondie At 08:21 PM 7/9/01 +0000, you wrote: >RF added some fairly burning guitar to the track "Fade Away and Radiate" on >Blondie's "Parallel Lines" release, and I know he played live with the band >on at least one occasion, at the Hammersmith Odeon, on Jan 12, 1980, adding >his signature sound to their rendition of David Bowie's "Heroes". This was >released on a Chrysalis 12" single (and perhaps elsewhere) as the b-side of >"Atomic" from the "Eat to the Beat" release. I think I read somewhere >recently (perhaps even in ET) that an upcoming CD re-release of that title >will include this performance. The Blondie/Fripp version of "'Heroes'" is also available on compilation CD titled "The David Bowie Songbook," which features a variety of cover-versions of Bowie tunes. Interestingly enough, this CD also contains Iggy Pop's version of "China Girl," which was the original (although it is co-authored by Bowie). --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #858 ********************************