Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #856 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 856 Sunday, 8 July 2001 Today's Topics: Re: Fripp & Blondie Fripp & Blondie Fripp as Dr. Prunesquallor? Weird Guitarist has exhibit... Re: LP trivia; Fripp & Blondie; Banco (NEARfest) Re: "Sheltering Sky," Violin Fripp and Blondie Fripp & Blondie LP Trivia- a 3-sided album? Djam Karet & Gormenghast July 28 West Palm Crimson tickets How I got into King Crimson seattle tool/kc ticket info? Collecting Collectors Club releases review for the 2001 remasters now online How many grooves? Re: Dragon cover? 1980's TV Appearance Track Lists Re: Tool inspired by KC? Re: Dragon cover? Re: Dragon cover? Re: Dragon Cover ? 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 17:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Merlot Subject: Re: Fripp & Blondie >Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 17:10:02 -0400 >From: mike >Subject: Fripp & Blondie >I have a video-bio from UK TV about Robert Fripp from about ten years >back. At a point in the video, they mention "Fripp's work with >Blondie", >and follow it with an audio of Deborah Harry saying "And I want to >thank >the guitarist, Mr. Robert Fripp", while you can hear the crowd >cheering... I do recall hearing--a long time ago--a live tape of Blondie (not sure if it was at CBGB's) performing Heroes with guest guitarist Robert Fripp. I also remember seeing Mr. Fripp in back of the Palladium in 1978 after a show (I think it was P. Gabriel but not 100% sure) and he was deep in conversation with a semi-disguised Debbi Harry. I knew it was her because I was 15 and very much in love with her at the time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 20:46:23 -0400 From: "Jim McLaughlin" Subject: Fripp & Blondie mike <{HYPERLINK "mailto:mikemc at nyc dot rr dot com"}mikemc at nyc dot rr dot com> wrote: >But, now that I have proof they DID work together (at least to a small extent), can >anyone clarify exactly what (or which pieces) Fripp was involved in? I don't know what studio work was done, but I have a recording of two tunes that Blondie announced "Please welcome Mr Robert Fripp" "Heroes" and "Bang a Gong" I have no further info because its on a 1/4" reel that I gave to my brother years ago. Now its probably in his attic. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 23:33:50 -0400 From: "pierre guertin" Subject: Fripp as Dr. Prunesquallor? [Unknown MIME type or encoding (text/html), contents not processed] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 23:50:40 -0400 From: "Joseph A. Popp" Subject: Weird Guitarist has exhibit... I am Joe Popp. I play weird guitar stuff. I'm 46 years old and have always played weird guitar music. I am having an exhibit of my art and several of my home-made musical instruments. Hung with these will be 12 one minute sound modules mounted on the wall. These each play a piece of music concieved and recorded for this exhibit. The artworks are collage on multiple layers of glass and a few assembleges. If anyone is interested, please come to the reception for the show. The Gallery is called the Fran Schanz Gallery and it is located at 1503 State Street in Erie, PA. The reception will be held on Saturday July 7th from 7:00pm to 10:00pm. I'd love to see anyone interested in weird music and art stop by and let me know what you think. Thanks Joe Popp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:00:07 From: "Michel Champagne" Subject: Re: LP trivia; Fripp & Blondie; Banco (NEARfest) Regarding the "one-groove-per-LP-side" thread, not so fast there . . . Martha and the Muffins' 7" single release of "Saigon" (1980, DIN17), featured a b-side entitled "Copacabana" that actually had two grooves running alongside one another and, depending on which lead-in your stylus settled on, you'd either hear the tune backwards or forewards. (WOW!) And MAD Magazine included a flexi-disc(tm) in their 1980 Summer Super Special issue that actually had eight *grooves*, each producing the same 40-second-or-so playback except for an apparently ever-changing "mystery ending". Neither of these, of course, are actually LPs, but . . . Of dubious effect, I would think that cutting the masters for releases like these must have been a royal pain in the rump! Regarding Fripp & Blondie: RF added some fairly burning guitar to the track "Fade Away and Radiate" on Blondie's "Parallel Lines" release, and I know he played live with the band on at least one occasion, at the Hammersmith Odeon, on Jan 12, 1980, adding his signature sound to their rendition of David Bowie's "Heroes". This was released on a Chrysalis 12" single (and perhaps elsewhere) as the b-side of "Atomic" from the "Eat to the Beat" release. I think I read somewhere recently (perhaps even in ET) that an upcoming CD re-release of that title will include this performance. I don't think Fripp ever wrote or was credited with any of Blondie's material, however I'm fairly certain he was living in New York City at the time that he contributed to "Fade Away and Radiate," the writing of which is credited to Blondie lead guitarist Chris Stein. This was the same period that the bulk (if not all) of the material for the original "Exposure" LP was assembled. I also seem to recall reading around the time that RF and Stein had spent a fair amount of time together "bouncing ideas around," as it were, and I believe that Stein was responsible for the photography and design of the original "Exposure" LP sleeve. So it stands to reason that Stein's playing and writing from the period could conceivably have been influenced to some extent by our favorite happy gigster, however to what extent is unknown at best. Regarding BANCO: I am by no means any sort of an authority on this group, but I share your enthusiasm. The only assistance I can offer is to go to http://www.btf.it/prog/banco/banco.htm, which is the "Banco page" for BTF, an Italian CD & vinyl distributor, where you can be sure to find a great deal of Banco's catalog available, and usually at very reasonable prices, as well as other helpful links. I have purchased CD's from BTF a number of times and have never had any problems. Regarding Banco's catalog, I personally own just a handful of releases: "Darwin," "Banco!" (the 'Manticore' album), "Nudo," and "Live in Mexico City" and I like all of them very much. Over and out! Mike Champagne New Orleans, LA PS. KC here at the HOB on 7/31: got my tickets and can't wait! Check out my review of the Nashville shows at the DGM site if you haven't already. (http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cgi-bin/reviews.cgi) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 00:38:12 -0600 (CST) From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN Subject: Re: "Sheltering Sky," Violin > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 10:38:56 +0100 > From: Peter Clinch

> Subject: sheletring sky, electric violin > > In ET #852 Steve Moore wondered (in reply to my mail): > > >> That's not a guitar, it's an electric violin. > > > Are you *sure*?? It sounds very much like Belew's guitar to me. Who was > > playing electric violin on Discipline? > > We seem to be at cross purposes: I was talking about the version on Mr. > McFall's Chamber's recent CD "Upstart Jugglers", where the lead line is > taken by Greg Lawson playing the electric violin. That seemed readily evident to me, but I guess not to others. As for the Roland GR300 guitar synth it has a vaguely violinish quality to its sound due to the circuitry used. Supposedly it actually triggers the notes you play before the circuitry determines the specific pitch you've chosen, resulting in a slight glissando effect to each note. tim gueguen 101867 NP: Neu! s/t ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 00:47:34 -0600 (CST) From: TIMOTHY GUEGUEN Subject: Fripp and Blondie > > Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2001 17:10:02 -0400 > From: mike > Subject: Fripp & Blondie > > I have a video-bio from UK TV about Robert Fripp from about ten years > back. At a point in the video, they mention "Fripp's work with Blondie", > and follow it with an audio of Deborah Harry saying "And I want to thank > the guitarist, Mr. Robert Fripp", while you can hear the crowd cheering. > I've heard that Fripp wrote the opening to "One Way Or Another" and some > other Blondie pieces, but that could just be rumors. But, now that I > have proof they DID work together (at least to a small extent), can > anyone clarify exactly what (or which pieces) Fripp was involved in? > AFAIK the only Blondie album piece Fripp played on was "Fade Away and Radiate" off their classic Parallel Lines album. You'll have no trouble recognising his playing. The tune itself opens up with a pseudo-Mellotron sound courtesy of keyboardist Jimmy Destri's Polymoog going thru a tape echo, in homage to Fripp's prescense. Destri told the then Comtemporary Keyboard magazine in a '79 interview that as a teenager he was found of the sound of King Crimson recordings. tim gueguen 101867 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 03:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jay+ Nittoli Subject: Fripp & Blondie With regard to Fripp working with Blondie; he can be heard loud and clear on the cut "Fade Away & Radiate" on Blondie's Parallel Lines Album. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 08:20:32 -0700 From: "Indiie M" Subject: LP Trivia- a 3-sided album? There is ONE album I know of that has more than one groove per side... the Monty Python "Matching Tie & Handkerchief" LP. There are actually two grooves on one side of the LP. The only way I found out was after many plays of the album, suddenly I was hearing something completely different... the needle had dropped into the second groove. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:42:43 -0700 From: Robert Cervero Subject: Djam Karet & Gormenghast Re ET #854: In the Nearfest report, it was mentioned "Djam Karet is clearly one of the best of the young American prog bands". I too really like Djam Karet, however the band's hardly "young"; these guys have been performing, albeit irregularly, for many moons. As with Crimson, mainstream appeal and box office potential has never framed their (all instrumental) approach to music. The comment on Fripp's role in PBB's Gormenghast prompted me to dust off an old LP and listen to one of my favorite prog-era ballads of the 70s, "Gormenghast" by Irish folk-prog band Fruupp; there must have been a subliminal Crimson connection for upon scanning the credits of the Modern Masquerades album it rekindled my memory that it was produced by none other than Crimson's own Ian McDonald. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:16:25 -0400 From: "Erik Varga" Subject: July 28 West Palm Crimson tickets I purchased 2 tickets to the upcoming King Crimson show (July 28th, West Palm Beach, FL - Carefree Theatre, 8pm.) Unfortuantely, I CAN NOT ATTEND. If anyone is interested in acquiring these tickets from me, please let me know ASAP! My email is: vargan at mindspring dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:33:04 -0000 From: "Danny Anderson" Subject: How I got into King Crimson I had a buddy who was attending Reed College in Portland who kept turning me onto new music back in 1973. Yes, Gentle Giant, Henry Cow, Hatfield and The North and King Crimson. Starless and Bible Black was just released and he played it for me. It was okay. I went to the local head/record shop and bought it and then didn't like it. So I sold it back. I checked out several other KC records and thought they were, "You know, okay." A martial arts student of mine who worked at that record shop said to me one day, "Hey, I heard you were into King Crimson. I've got something for you." It was a promo copy of Starless and Bible Black. I listened to side 2 one evening when I was in the mood for something weird and unconventional. It hit home and I have been in the mood ever since. Dan PS Did anybody ever download the KC tribute tracks that were featured on Elephant Tape? If so, anybody into a trade of sorts? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:26:06 -0700 From: Bob Ramstad Subject: seattle tool/kc ticket info? Howdy folks... Just wondering if anyone out there has had any success tracking down solid information on buying tickets for the two Seattle Tool/KC dates... I've hunted high and low and had absolutely no luck finding any information on either 8/6 or 8/7 -- in fact, the Paramount Theatre web site doesn't give information for either show, neither does the Paramount Theatre telephone hotline, and Ticketmaster doesn't list any dates for Tool at all. I'm drooling in anticipation. I've never heard Tool, and I'm looking forward to checking them out for the first time live. -- Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 15:43:17 -0400 From: Dan Cooper Subject: Collecting Collectors Club releases Hi all! I was a bit late in the game getting into the Collector's Club, and would be interested in talking to anyone who would be interested in selling Collector's Club releases. I am particularly interested in the "Red" and "Discipline" era releases. Please e-mail me at dcooper at lspa dot com if your interested. Thanks! Dan Cooper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:09:10 -0500 From: Steve Marshall Subject: review for the 2001 remasters now online Hi Everyone, Subject says it all. check out our review for the new Discipline, Beat & Three of a Perfect Pair remasters, now online at The Night Owl... Steve Steve Marshall Editor - The Night Owl stevem at thenightowl dot com The best place on the web for music reviews Member - National Music Critics Association Don't forget to check out our latest contest - You could win 5 free CDs by some of your favorite jam bands! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 12:51:52 -0400 From: Randall dot Hammill at hartfordlife dot com Subject: How many grooves? In response to all of the respondents of Eric Young's trivia question: Since everybody knew they had one groove per side... On which record (not CD or tape) did Robert Fripp perform that does NOT have 1 groove per side? Randy Hammill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 13:05:51 -0400 From: Jim Bailey Subject: Re: Dragon cover? >A friend of mine was telling me about an album in the late 60s or early 70s >by a band that she's pretty sure included Robert Fripp and Greg Lake. She >thought it was King Crimson, but I know (or at least I think I do) all of >the early King Crimson album covers. She says the cover was of a dragon and >in the dragon's mouth was a beautiful woman (possibly a girl). Do you have >any idea what the album was and who it was by? Ok lads, the race is on! Who'll be the first to get in an answer to this one. Here's my shot: Judging from the cover description, Clark, it would have to be Pete Sinfield's solo album, "Still." Fripp was not present, but Lake definitely was (along with several other KC alumni). So, she was close, but doesn't, I'm afraid, qualify for the cigar (...it's an old joke). The cover picture BTW, was called "The Big Friend," by Sulamith Wulfing. As an aside, a few years ago, my wife bought a miniature print of an infant lying in the petals of a crocus. My immediate reaction was: "That looks like the same person who did the cover for Still." Close inspection did indeed reveal the same signature. Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 08:18:17 -0700 From: Clark Ray Subject: 1980's TV Appearance Track Lists Does anyone have a track listing for each of the following 3 King Crimson 1980's TV appearances: 12/4/1981 Friday's, ABC TV 3/18/1982 Old Grey Whistle Test, BBC 5/27/1984 MTV If you do please email me privately. Thanks, Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:00:18 -0400 From: take5 at rcn dot com Subject: Re: Tool inspired by KC? As someone who enjoys the music of both bands, I shall do my best to answer this question. When Tool started out, they sounded like a very good metal band, but stuck to the standard rock/metal format. This is basically what makes up the content of their first album, Undertow. Their next two albums are a deliberate move into more unconventional waters. Kin Crimson is by no means their primary source of inspiration, but their influence can be seen in two ways: 1) Composition: Tool's sinature rhythm lines often use a looping motif. A good example is the single off their new album, Schism. The bass line, doubled by the drums ("I know the pieces fit"), is ver reminiscent of 80s Crim. 2) Attitude: Songs that are 8 minutes long, albums where one song leads into the next seamlessly and where the whole album is a work greater than the sum of its parts, hard rock lyrics that are artsy and pretentious- these hallmarks of Tool's persona are obviously influenced by 70s prog and Crimson. Musically, I would say that 80s and 90s Crimson is more of an influence than the previous incarnations. Tool fuses the "artsiness" of Crim, the rhythm approach to 80s Crim, and the sound and attitude of modern angst-ridden rock. Tool is a heavy metal band, period. If you don't already like metal, you probably won't like Tool. As far as Tool influencing Crim, that's probably not likely, considering Crim is much older. The only possibility there is that Tool's success might inspire Crim to make their music a bit heavier, since heavy music seems to be popular right now. Tool's popularity can also draw younger folks into Crim, such as: tool_freak5000: It's great to see kids getting into this stuff. I'm a relativly younger Crim fan myself (23) so I know where you're coming from. Following a similar path you are taking, I found myself getting more into jazz than anything. Also, your story makes me feel confident about my pro-Napster stance. You're welcome for the remark about Buffalo 66. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:10:03 EDT From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Subject: Re: Dragon cover? In a message dated 7/6/01 2:30:01 PM, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: >Clark Ray >Subject: Dragon cover? > >Hi! > >A friend of mine was telling me about an album in the late 60s or early 70s >by a band that she's pretty sure included Robert Fripp and Greg Lake. She >thought it was King Crimson, but I know (or at least I think I do) all of >the early King Crimson album covers. She says the cover was of a dragon >and in the dragon's mouth was a beautiful woman (possibly a girl). Do you >have any idea what the album was and who it was by? That would be _Still_ by Pete Sinfield, also released on CD under the title _Stillusion_. Greg Lake is on it (along with a number of other Crimson members), but Robert Fripp is not. The wonderful cover design is the painting "The Big Friend" by the mystic German artist Sulamith Wulfing. (I hope ET accepts umlauts.) (As opposed to just plain louts, like me.) Your pal, Biffy the Elephant Shrew http://members.aol.com/biffyshrew/biffy.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 15:16:17 -0700 From: "Erwin Bush" Subject: Re: Dragon cover? Clark Ray wrote: >>A friend of mine was telling me about an album in the late 60s or early 70s by a band that she's pretty sure included Robert Fripp and Greg Lake. She thought it was King Crimson, but I know (or at least I think I do) all of the early King Crimson album covers. She says the cover was of a dragon and in the dragon's mouth was a beautiful woman (possibly a girl). Do you have any idea what the album was and who it was by?<< That was Peter Sinfield's solo album, "Still". He had a lot of his friends performing on it. It was released by ELP's Manticore Records. The cover was a reproduction of "The Big Friend" by Sulamith Wulfing. It's currently available on CD with a few extra tracks as "Stillusions." Erwin erwin at erwinbush dot com Almost at http://www.erwinbush.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 08:33:42 +1000 From: "John Drayton" Subject: Re: Dragon Cover ? Sounds like Peter Sinfield's solo album. I don't know who played on it. Is it any good? John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 18:39:05 -0400 From: J A Sontag Subject: Dragon Cover < <