Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #852 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 852 Tuesday, 26 June 2001 Today's Topics: Re: Fripp/Gabriel tour info Wanted: KCCC #16 - Bekeley 1982 Re: Fripp w/ Gabriel 11/4/78 NYC Palladium - A question 1969 "Crimson" reunion w/ Steve Hackett? Re: Fripp w/ Gabriel 11/4/78 NYC Palladium - A question New Brian Eno release Re: Sister Christina Ricci and the Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey... S&BB lyric sheet Re: TIcketmaster & KC BUFFALO 66 Polonaise Art Gallery Re: Sheltering Sky Steve Hackett/Tokyo Tapes New recording? Wanted: KCCC #16 - Bekeley 1982 Re: GG&F Re-Release 3 OF A PERFECT PAIR cRIMSON SIGHTINGS & HELP Deception of the Thrush ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 17:28:32 -0400 (EDT) From: dhosek at w114 dot web2010 dot com Subject: Re: Fripp/Gabriel tour info A complete PG tourography is at http://www.deltaforce.net/~jnu/pg/tours/new.html Fripp was the guitarist only on the first tour. It's actually kind of interesting to see the rotating cast of guitarists before David Rhodes settled into the role of PG's regular guitarist. & a bit of KC-related PG trivia: On which PG album(s) did Tony Levin NOT appear? -dh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 18:49:10 EDT From: MongoBoy at aol dot com Subject: Wanted: KCCC #16 - Bekeley 1982 KCCC #16 will be coming out in a few weeks. I'm hoping to contact a KCCC member that does not want it and would consider a trade for similar items of interest. I can offer a new, un-opened (and recently deleted) UK - Live Concert Classics Vol. 4. or other items. Interested parties should contact me by private email only. Thanks, ML ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 22:50:33 EDT From: HFHIFI at aol dot com Subject: Re: Fripp w/ Gabriel 11/4/78 NYC Palladium - A question In a message dated 6/20/2001 4:51:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: > Hello Fellow ET Kindred Spirits: > > Will someone please help me clarify this memory. I recall seeing Peter > Gabriel's second tour at The Palladium in NYC on 11/4/78. I also recall an > encore of The Kinks - All Day And All of the Night. I seem to recall that > Fripp joined the band on stage and ripped an amazing solo. I think?? Those > were pretty hazy days for me. Any help would be appreciated with regard to > RF behind the curtain etc... on PG's second tour. > I saw PG on that same tour when he did two surprise gigs at the Bottom Line. Some of it can be found in bootleg or from old King Biscuit tapes. Fripp did indeed do the Kink's cover at that show, as well as "Here Comes The Flood" and "White Shadow." He also confusedly played a tambourine when PG did an encore of "Back in NYC". So I assume he did the same thing at the Palladium shows, which were a day or two later. As for behind the curtain, that was the first PG tour. He played the entire tour as "Dusty Rhodes" and never was credited. I found this out when I met Tim Cappello, who played winds on the tour (and later became the huge "Conan the Barbarian" wind player for Tina Turner). It was odd to sit through the show swearing I heard two guitars but only seeing Steve Hunter on stage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:34:40 -0700 From: "Brian Pearson" Subject: 1969 "Crimson" reunion w/ Steve Hackett? Well, these rumors keep popping up. A reunion of "original" KC members w/ Mr. Hackett occupying the guitar chair? This could be either wonderful or awful, depending on where they go with it. Wonderful if these obviously talented players were to develop enough new material, logically evolved from their lifetime musical experience, to keep it fresh & interesting. The classical-influenced, woodwind and keyboard based style of Prog still has much legitimacy (at least for me) IF it is grounded in strong, melodic songwriting. Awful if it were to degenerate into an "old farts play the hits" nostalgia tour a la recent reunions of Foreigner, Kansas, Uriah Heep, et al (ad nauseum) playing the circuit of small town biker bars and dusty horse pavillions at county fairs. Sure it would be nice to hear original members rescuscitating ITCOTCK material as a SUPPLEMENT to their recent creations. But unlike many music fans ("Hey DOOD, play Freebird") I would like to hear a predominance of new, interesting, challenging material. Would especially like to hear Mr. Hackett step forward w/ some of his recent work. Anyone else feel likewise, or otherwise? Pls. comment. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 12:11:39 +0800 From: "Robert Miyares" Subject: Re: Fripp w/ Gabriel 11/4/78 NYC Palladium - A question > "Will someone please help me clarify this memory. I recall seeing Peter > Gabriels second tour at The Palladium in NYC on 11/4/78. I also recall an > encore of The Kinks - All Day And All of the Night. I seem to recall that > Fripp joined the band on stage and ripped an amazing solo. I think?? > Those were pretty hazy days for me. Any help would be appreciated with > regard to RF behind the curtain etc... on PG's second tour." I was also at that show and it was not a mirage. RF was very out and about in those days. A couple of months later I saw him jam with Hall & Oates at Avery Fisher Hall performing "You Burn Me Up I'm a Cigarette" and then a wilting solo on H&O's "No Brain, No Pain." -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 00:53:35 -0400 From: Loren Karnick Subject: New Brian Eno release Hi, Folks, Haven't contributed in awhile, but this was such a surprise that I had to share it.I receievd a postcard announcing Brian Eno and J. Peter Schwalm's "Drawn from Life". I haven't seen this mentioned earlier (though I am a sporadic reader of ET, shame on me), and it "boast[s] a vocal collaboration with Laurie Anderson." It states that it is available from DGM. The marketing approach is new to me, but it is a bit of fun in a goofy sort of way. (Oh, and it is now a treasured piece of miscellanea). Loren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 02:33:14 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Sister Christina Ricci and the Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey... Vince Gallo produced and starred in the movie. Hes one of my faves to date. I hear he has a prog band called Bunny and is an old skool fan of KC, Yes, and others. Just a great film IMO, the bond between him and Ricci is so weird but its fun to watch. Gallo is unmatched! Such a bad ass. This movie alone is worth renting to see Moonchild on film, but also the relationship between Gallo and his mother is very crazy as well. PS. anyone here heard of the Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey out of Oklahoma? these guys are too much! some serious prog style avant-garde music goin on, I mean bloody knuckles voyage to the centre of the cosmos type stuff!! PPS. anyone have a video for me of the 72-75 band for trade? not sure if there are many out there with any length but I have lots to trade jazz, funk, bluegrass, jamband, avant-garde, Mr Bungle, Fantomas, Medeski, Martin and Wood, etc.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 20:26:05 +1200 From: David Maclennan Subject: S&BB lyric sheet Re making a lyric sheet for the S&BB remaster, Mr Tea's idea of scanning and reducing the lyrics from a vinyl version of the album is one way, but surely the easiest way would be to simply photocopy the lyric page from an earlier CD version, which did have a reproduction of the original version? That's what I'm doing. David Maclennan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:12:17 From: "Spear man" Subject: Re: TIcketmaster & KC > It seems 90% of the larger and/or > established venues MUST sell their tickets through Ticketmaster. They > are contractually obliged. The other few larger arenas remaining are in > the hands of another conglomerate (whose name escapes me). Hmm, curiously both the grateful dead and phish sold plenty of tickets through non-ticketmaster mail order for these quasi-sown up purportedly 'ticketmaster' venues. I think the sum was something like 50% thru the band's mail order and 50% thru ticketmaster or other agency, e.g. (the old days) BASS tickets (now tickets.com)--unless the band's mail order got so many ticket orders that they sold out before the tickets went to ticketmaster or the band didn't sell that many thru their mail order business which means ticketmaster got additional tickets to sell. Buyers advantages included a) advance mail order sales b) two first day on-sale dates--first onsale thru the band's mail order service, the 2nd thru ticketmaster c) lower service charge fees thru band's mail order; e.g. $2/ticket vs. $4.50-$15?. d) more legitimate fans at shows because the general public won't jump thru too many hoops to get tickets. e) lots of people trying to sell extra tickets in the lots f) bands generally have a no-scalping policy for tickets sold thru band's mail order. g) if you lived out of state and liked to go on tour you could get tickets for concerts outside of your local area h) less scalping Buyers disadvantages included a) money order fees (generally postal money order or american express only accepted--so you've gotta truck to the post office) b) postage fees in two directions (the return generally by fedex 2nd day) c) postmark dates on non-metered mail only--usually involves trip to post office 1st day mail order is available. d) ticket orders filled firstcome/firstserve--no priority mail accepted-- and the filled orders could mean you still get lawn seats if the reserved seats already gone.... e) orders often not filled until after the Ticketmaster 1st onsale date. Double purchase (great for band/promotors/venue) to assure at least tickets somewhere in the venue. f) more scalping Major advantage to bands a) often more tickets sold due to delays in processing mail orders b) often actual hardcore fans of the band could go to the concerts--not just see-and-be-seen posers Major disadvantage to bands a) band must become really corporate to pay staff to handle mail order ticket purchases--welcome to the machine! Of course if you already have mail order vending, this isn't that much of a logistical problem. A problem regardless--counterfeit tickets. --spearman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:18:14 -0400 From: bmreynolds at nisource dot com Subject: BUFFALO 66 I bought the goofball comedy "Baseketball" and there was a preview for BUFFALO 66. It was composed of stills from the movie backed by a song I had never heard. At the time, I was just starting to get into prog-rock like ELP. The song was "Heart of the Sunrise" by YES. I was blown away and since then have become a major YES fan, which in turn has caused me to explore prog-rock even further. Most recently, I've discovered KC and I am blown away by the intricacies of their styles. I got the DVD yesterday along with Cirkus and Discipline gatefold editions. I am hooked. So, thanks BUFFALO 66 preview! BTW, TOOL's Lateralus album is an achievement and everyone should check it out. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 14:36:36 GMT+1 From: "Lukasz Drozd" Subject: Polonaise Art Gallery > Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:12:25 -0400 > From: "Alan Cohen" > Subject: Re: King Crimson in painting > > >She is going to have a one-man show in the Polonaise Art Gallery in > Does Polonaise Art Gallery have anything in common with Poland (I'm asking cuz I'm from Poland :) Pozdrawiam, Lukasz Drozd drozd at vela dot filg dot uj dot edu dot pl drozd at pro dot onet dot pl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 16:31:05 +0100 From: Steve Moore Subject: Re: Sheltering Sky In ET #851 Peter Clinch

wrote: > That's not a guitar, it's an electric violin. Are you *sure*?? It sounds very much like Belew's guitar to me. Who was playing electric violin on Discipline? __Steve__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 15:00:51 -0500 From: Michael Hackett Subject: Steve Hackett/Tokyo Tapes Speaking of Steve Hackett, I thought it would be apropos (this being a King Crimson discussion list) to bring up Steve's "Toyko Tapes" album, recorded live in Japan in 1996 with a band which included ex-Crims John Wetton and Ian MacDonald, as well as Chester Thompson and Julian Colbeck. If you're a fan of old Crim and old Genesis, you really can't go wrong. The performance includes ITCOTCK and "I Talk To The Wind", which are both good, but perhaps not highlights. "Firth Of Fifth" and "Los Endos" are great, though -- these are not just straight readings of the originals -- and an brilliantly pared down "Heat Of The Moment" is actually a wonderful treat (believe it or not :-) )! Regardless, it's a lot of fun, and might be a good place to start if you want to check out some of Steve's solo stuff. Also good is his old "Voyage Of The Acolyte" (featuring his Genesis mates of the time) and "Spectral Mornings" albums, and his more recent "Guitar Noir" (although I preferred the original UK version to the newer remixed and reordered version on his own Camino label). He's also put out a couple of fine acoustic guitar albums, if that's your cup of tea. Enjoy! -- Michael (no relation :-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:01:03 From: "Mark Kisselbach" Subject: New recording? I've only read a few diary entries from Fripp and Mastelotto about recording the new Crim album. Is it just me, or does it seem like not much recording was done? If this is so, there will be no studio effort in "late 2001" as posted on the discography section of ET. I hope I'm wrong--can anyone help me out? Mr. Fripp, how about a personal response to this loyal Crimhead? --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:27:48 EDT From: MongoBoy at aol dot com Subject: Wanted: KCCC #16 - Bekeley 1982 KCCC #16 will be coming out in a few weeks. I'm hoping to contact a KCCC member that does not want it and would consider a trade for similar items of interest. I can offer a new, un-opened (and recently deleted) UK - Live Concert Classics Vol. 4. or other items. Interested parties should contact me by private email only. Thanks, ML ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:14:39 EDT From: Mfortfam at aol dot com Subject: Re: GG&F Re-Release << Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:08:27 -0000 >From: "Danny Anderson" >Subject: GG&F Re-Release Since there is going to be only 1,000 copies of the GG&F reissue and I don't have the bucks to spring for it, is there anybody out there who is willing to make a tape and work out a trade of some item with me? Dan >> "GG&F reissue"? I'm pretty sure the '1000 numbered limited edition' relates to the vinyl LP called _Metaphormosis_ on Tenth Planet Records. This is NOT a re-release of the GG&F studio album _The Cheerful Insanity Of..._, although a few song titles appear on both. (I think there's some confusion because _Cheerful Insanity_ is being reissued as a mini-LP edition? In Japan?) Unlike their studio album, GG&F's _Metaphormosis_ contains home demo recordings of that same era, presumably from Peter Giles' personal archives. (Since he owned the Revox tape machine back then!) Ian McDonald (pre-Mellotron) appears on several selections, as well as vocalist Judy Dyble on a couple of songs. But the _Young Persons' Guide..._ version of "I Talk To The Wind", which featured McDonald and Dyble, does NOT appear on _Metaphormosis_. An alternate take with McDonald on lead vocals is featured instead. Although the demos are of good quality considering their vintage (similar in quality to "ITTTW" on _YPG_), the _Metaphormosis_ collection is more of a curiosity rather than a necessity IMHO. "For Completists Only" as they say? Mark F. 'YesELPkCrimson' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 09:50:11 -0400 From: "John Drayton" Subject: Deception of the Thrush Apologies if this has already been covered (although if it has, can someone tell me where?) but I have a question about DOTT as it appears on "Heavy ConstrucKtion". Is the sampled voice that of T.S.Eliot? It sounds roughly like him reading bits of "The Wasteland" although I can't make out the title phrase from "Burnt Norton"? I would appreciate any references people have come accross to this connection. John ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #852 ********************************