Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #846 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 846 Thursday, 14 June 2001 Today's Topics: Re: Islands remastered anywhere? remasters Re: Islands remastered Re: Islands remastered anywhere? Tool/Crimson combo shows Silly Love Songs Re: Robert Fripp Picks Crimson/Tool A Crim Without a Fripp! I talk to the Wind Project X plus... FFWD--Fripp and the Orb CD for sale Parisians wanted Next album?? Crimson Mini-LP release idea King Crimson Promotional Video for sale What opening up for Tool means JIBILIAN/GLASS OPENING FOR EARTHWORKS Re: camping for tickets??? Another snippy Tool fan. ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:04:58 -0400 From: Cristian Zambrano Subject: Re: Islands remastered anywhere? >Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:14:32 EDT >From: SuprMallet at aol dot com >Subject: Islands remastered anywhere? > >Did Islands get remastered when all the other 70's Crim discs got >remastered? I've been to every record store in my city, and if they have >Islands it's only the '89 edition. I've checked online, but none of the >sites I've checked can verify it's the remastered edition that they >have. Djangos.com had Islands used with a release date of 2000, but when I >ordered it, it turned out to be the '89 one, again. So does anyone know a >place either in Los Angeles or online that definitely has the remastered >Islands, or does it just not exist? Last year (september perhaps) I attended a Rick Wakeman show in Santiago (Chile) and I bought in a music store the Island CD "30th Anniversary Edition" (2000 release) with photos, lyrics, reviews, etc with the "pink design" CD. Maybe it's out of print, because the "KC Island HDCD" still remains in my CD collection... ...sometimes great music reaches people who lives in the edge of the world... (fortunately!!) Cristian Zambrano Tapia Ingeniero Civil Quimico Pares y Alvarez Ingenieros Asociados Telefono: 56-41-333260 - Fax: 56-41-333259 Concepcion - Chile E-mail: Cristian dot Zambrano at pyaing dot cl http://www.pyaing.cl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:28:28 -0000 From: "lawrence moseley" Subject: remasters I assume all the remasters will be available for a long time. After all , on each inside back page there is the statement saying that they are 30the anniversary issues. Original issues 20, 19 and 17 years ago...how time flies...? Still , I saw a copy of The Wall with a thirtieth anniversary label on. I could be wrong but this was released 21 and 1/2 years ago, even before 80s Crim releases. And why are bands listed as playing in Offenbach (see Heavy Construction, JPJ tour t-shirts and anyone's bootlegs). I believe the town is Offenburg in Germay and Offenbach was a classical composer. So Islands is being remastered, any extra tracks? How about Earthbound? Anyway, the remasters sound great, though the live versions (I only recently heard Absent Lovers and the Club Live At Cap d'Agde (spelling...)are, I think so much more intense. Speaking of other music Crim fans might like I am curious about Djam Karet. I have heard nothing from them but they seem like a good prospect to investigate. For instrumental power and virtuosity and I assume expression. Any pointers as to where I could start? An email reply direct would be best I suppose. Apparently KC have an album of 80s material they deemed unworthy before TOAPP according to Mr Bruford in the booklet's info. Perhaps this should be a future Club release? The Schizoid Man (CD EP?)is a second issue of it's type apparently. What was the first and are there any more of this type? To the guy wanting an idea about one release from KC...go for a live CD. If Absent Lovers is a reasonable price that would cover the 80s Crim base quite well. Waiting for USA Live...well we're all doing that...LTIA is classic of course. Choosing between studio releases is not easy. ITCOTCK, LTIA are lynchpin releases. Mind you I think Thrak is as well. Let's face it KC has more direction than a roadmap and sometimes the route you take can take a little longer on some but it's always worth the trip.Studio Crim is civilized chaos..Live Crim is unleashed chaos on civilization..but very musical... Any way, so much for all that. take care KC fans. Lawrence ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 10:37:49 EDT From: SuprMallet at aol dot com Subject: Re: Islands remastered Thank you all to responding to my initial query concerning the availability of the Islands 24-bit remastered disc. I've now picked it up, so no need to send any more emails. Thanks again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:14:52 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Islands remastered anywhere? At 12:11 AM 5/31/01 GMT, you wrote: > >Did Islands get remastered when all the other 70's Crim discs got >remastered? I've been to every record store in my city, and if they have >Islands it's only the '89 edition. I've checked online, but none of the >sites I've checked can verify it's the remastered edition that they >have. Djangos.com had Islands used with a release date of 2000, but when I >ordered it, it turned out to be the '89 one, again. So does anyone know a >place either in Los Angeles or online that definitely has the remastered >Islands, or does it just not exist? > It would seem unlikely that what your seeing everywhere is actually the '89 edition. What's happened is that the mini-LP sleeve remasters (which were always a limited edition anyway) have been depleted. But the same remastering is now available in a gem box. What has added to the sort of confusion you experienced at Djangos is the fact that when the mini-LP sleeve versions were being replaced by the gem box versions, they did not change the catalog numbers! So CD stores may try to order the mini-LP sleeve version from their suppliers (who think they have them in stock because the catalog number is correct in their computer), but end up getting the gem box version! While I can't speak for other stores, I can tell you that my store, The Artist Shop still has the mini-LP sleeve versions of all the releases thus far in stock. And I suspect DGM does too. BTW, I've been told by Caroline that the next releases will be USA and Earthbound! I haven't gotten verification on the pricing yet (seems USA 'might' be a double disc), but as soon as I do, I'll have it up on the website. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 12:02:32 EDT From: CDCDB at aol dot com Subject: Tool/Crimson combo shows Being an avid KC and Tool fan, I cringe at the thought of them doing a tour together. I have been going to concerts for over 30 years, and having seen both of these bands numerous times, the idea of them sharing a tour is scary at best. I have often mentioned Tool to my KC friends and vice versa. The problem I see is the general mentality of the Tool group. While conversing with some Tool fans while trying to buy tickets to the last tour, the exhibit very little tolerance for inovation. The comments show very little appreciation for anything differant; many being very disappointed by the deviation of the new album Laterus or the Maynard side project Perfect Circle. Then have them watch a KC show. KC deserves better then to be assaulted by a bunch of pseudo-art-metal heads. Don't get me wrong, I have met Tool fans who appreciate the subtle and intricate aspects of Tools musicianship, and probably would love KC. But I still remember all similar dual headline situations that I have attended that have not worked at all. At the NineInchNails / Bowie tour, people were actually fighting over the bands. Great if your on a WWF CD, but..... If it happens, I will be there. I just hope that I am wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 14:29:16 -0500 From: "RadioactiveToy71" Subject: Silly Love Songs In ET #844, Josh Chasin asked / commented: "Perhaps Adrian and Tool could find some common ground if he joined Tool for a live rendition of their cover of Paul McCartney's "Silly Love Songs." (No, I'm not kidding. I found it on gnotella last night. Truly twisted. Don't know where it's from.)" You'll find it on a CD by the Replicants, featuring Ken Andrews (ex Failure) and one Paul D'Amour, who should be familiar to all Tool fans...fwiw, the CD is a collection of cover tunes by Neil Young, The Cars, Steely Dan, and Paul McCartney, among others (MJK helps out with vocal duties on Silly Love Songs). It's a fun and interesting listen, but it doesn't age well; personally I'd like to see these guys step out with an album of original material, but that's just me. If you really want to waste some money, check out MJK's contribution to the "Kiss My Ass" Kiss tribute album, whereupon he jams with Tom Morello of RATM and (I believe) Billy Gould of FNM...the CD itself blows chunks but that's about the only thing on there worth sitting through. Before this whole Tool/KC thing gets buried, I wanted to comment that regardless of whatever reservations we might have about Tool and KC together, I still think it's a great idea. Given how finicky us music fans can be, this may be the first and possibly only chance for some young person or persons to hear / see the mighty KC in a live setting. If they happen to get turned on to their music by the performance, then great! Perhaps they'd be inclined to go out and seek KC's music for themselves and start down the path so many of us have travelled (and still do). On the other hand, it also might be a great shot at turning some of us onto Tool's music. Not a big fan here, but hey, I'd go if the chance came up. Wouldn't mind seeing what the fuss was all about... In either case, it could be a hell of a lot worse. KC could not tour at all. Or they could do what another fave band of mine does (Saga), tour only overseas and not play here at all, completely missing a small yet powerful fan base. Whatever opportunity KC gets to show their stuff in front of a paying crowd, hell I'm for it. Especially if it's a crowd of people who have never heard or seen them--that's a whole auditorium full of potential converts! Much more risky than preaching for the choir... So who's been to the shows? Set list / review? Chris We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:22:35 -0400 From: "David Altemir" Subject: Re: Robert Fripp Picks >Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:57:00 +0200 >From: "Alvaro Calzas Millan" >Subject: Robert Fripp picks > >Does any of you know what kind of picks and strings does Robert Fripp use? >If he has changed that, I would prefer to know what did he use at early >King Crimson recordings. >Thanks a lot. > All I know is that I went to the New Standard Tuning weekend in New Jersey this past March and they handed out these "magic picks". Unfortunately, they're not available commercially, although some of the Seattle Crafties are working on manufacturing these things for sale. I assume these picks are pretty much the same as what Robert uses. (Although I would also like to find out what Robert actually uses). Let me describe the pick: It's a perfect triangle, 1-5/16 inch per side. It's about 0.56 mm thick and made of some kind of yellowish, translucent plastic (don't know exactly which kind). I just went to some hole-in-the-wall music store here in Cambridge, MA and found something very similar (same thickness, looks like same material) made by Clayton USA (I've never heard of this brand before). However, it's not a perfect triangle; instead, it's kind of a "rounded triangle" (i.e., no straight edges -- three curved edges with rounded corners, instead). I then use some sheet metal shears to cut three straight edges to make it a perfect traingle. I finish it off by using a metal file to clean up the edges. The finished pick looks (and plays) just like the one I got in New Jersey, except that it is slightly smaller (hasn't made a difference to me yet). Fender also makes some picks shaped like this in thin, medium, and heavy gauges, but the Clayton USA picks are the only ones that come in the desired 0.56mm thickness and yellowish, translucent (and comparably stiff) material. Good Luck. Please let me know if you find out any more info. (BTW, I don't have any specific info about the strings.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 03:17:14 -0700 From: Marc J Goodman Subject: Crimson/Tool Hey Gang, After thinking about this KC/Tool tour, I arrived at the conclusion that this is a win/win. First of all, when did you ever see anyone ever show up early to see the headliner at a show when they didn't have a primary desire to see the opener? This means that we show up earlier, less parking hassles, easy trip up to the front of the floor by the stage, check out a hot set by KC, no moshing concerns, the Tool fans show up fashionably later than we do, hopefully absorb some Crimso energy to take home with them, and those of us who don't care to see Tool, or see enough of them after a bit of their set, (which I'm sure will be pretty cool as well), can split for an early night back home or out for a slice and a beer (or whatever). Sound good? Everybody's happy now, right? Sorry for the run-on. Marc J Goodman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:05:04 +0100 From: "jeremy.rowden" Subject: A Crim Without a Fripp! Don't know if anyone knows anything of this rumour I've just seen in the June issue of Classic Rock magazine. On the Hemispheres page by Nick Shilton the opening paragraph kicks off with a story about "former members of a major name prog band threatening to hit the road without the band's eccentric guitarist and leading light" under the name of "Crimson". Hired hand unknown guitarist for the trip, one Steve Hackett (whoever he is). Who else is involved? Is this nothing more than the aftermath of an evening on the (sour) grape at a Crimson ex-pat convention in a pub somewhere in prog heaven? Will the whole thing be bollocks? Should the Frippster be told? Will Hackett take a bow at the end of the show or just stand at the back scratching his arse? Only time will tell. Cheers, Jez Rowden. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:18:10 +0100 From: "sjwilson" Subject: I talk to the Wind Dear ET I am trying to track down which KC album contained an different version of " I Talk to the Wind" from the one that is on ITCOTKC.The vocal was sung by a girl and it had a less stilted and "flutey" tone than the ITCOTKC version. Can you help? Martin Wilson - New Forest UK ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jun 2001 00:24:33 EDT From: James Dusewicz Subject: Project X plus... I have been spending quite a bit of net time at the DGM site. I finally broke down and in the space of a week and one half - bought KCCC #'s 1-6, #7-13, and #'s 14 and 15. And I await #16 imminent release. First, I had to purchase Project X, since it was essentially the jams they were working on during TCOL sessions. Needless to say, this music is at times haunting, strange, and by turns terrifying. "Belew Jay Way" seems to stand out for me. Perhaps it is Adrian's poke at those who obsess about his obvious Beatle influences?? Having bought the 1989 definitive editions, I find myself slightly ambivalent about buying all of the KC catalogue on 24 bit. I am reminded though that Aerosmith's Box of Fire has been done the same way, and the difference is outstanding. While I ponder this investment on the 24 bit re-masters, I have most of the live KCCC releases to listen to. Now if they will only arrive timely. jim campaigner at usa dot net James Dusewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 22:40:35 -0700 From: Kevin Subject: FFWD--Fripp and the Orb CD for sale Hello, I have a copy of FFWD, the collaboration between Robert Fripp and the Orb, that I'm looking to move on to a more appreciative person. Please make me an offer at kevin at houndsofheaven dot com if you are interested. I'll take offers for about a week after this newsletter goes out. Thanks Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:55:18 +0200 From: "Marcus Enochsson" Subject: Parisians wanted B'jour! I'd like to take the opportunity to call out for crimheads in Paris. The reason is that I'll be spending a term of my life there and would greatly appreciate to meet some French people and not only spend my time with the other Swedish students that'll be there as well. Furthermore, I'm an addicted guitarist and would really love to have some kind of band or groove collective to join/start for the time when I'm there. Meaning I'd love to meet some other musicians as well. So, if you are in Paris for the spring 2002, feel free to send me a mail and we could either meet and chat Crimso or play some music. And also, to anyone who wonders if prog is doomed to be forever forgotten by the public masses, check out two releases this week from two mainstream inheritors of prog, namely radiohead and Air. I trust these artists enough to recommend these albums though I haven't heard them all through. Have you heard their singles; Airs "Electronic Performers" or radioheads "Pyramid Song"? Gosh, when was the last time there was a top 5 single in the UK in 13 + 19/8??? The latter one is such a one now anyway. And also, the un-unmentionable KC companion Tool touched the US #1 right away!!! GO PROG, GO!!! Cheerio, Marcus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:00:19 EDT From: ChalkPie88 at aol dot com Subject: Next album?? Crimsos: Howdy and hello. I have certainly been out of the loop for the past couple of months here. When is the next Crimson album going to be released and is it still Fripp/Belew/Mastellato/Gunn? And as far as the TOOL thing, I still have never heard a note from these chaps - but my buddy swears they are great!!!!! Should be interesting, at least. P.S. - Been totally digging The Flower Kings lately. Swedish symphonic prog band with one hell of a composer/guitarist/singer - Roine Stolt. Pick up "Stardust We Are" and/or "Space Revolver" to start. This guy can emulate just about any style of the great guitarists, but I believe he is a mutant blend of David Gilmour meets Steve Howe meets Zappa. Great Stuff!! Cheers, Frank C. Huntington, NY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:29:29 -0400 From: "Dom & Neen" Subject: Crimson Mini-LP release idea Hi Folks, Dominick from Concord, N.H. here. I just had a "schizoid" thought while adding my 3 newest KC 24 bit releases to my collection. With everything that R.F. has planned for release in the near future (Earthbound being the biggest jaw dropper to me), why not take it one tiny step further for us completists in the crowd? Robert, please remaster/release the original 1976 "Young Person's Guide to KC" compilation and give it the same treatment all the rest have gotten so far along with that great mini-lp packaging. To me, it's worth it just for the J. Dyble vocal "I Talk to the Wind" track. Along with that awesome Fergus Hall artwork, it would be find addition to any collection. Plus it will help to mirror the continuity of the original vinyl releases( spare 1984's "The Compact KC" of course). Is there anybody else out there who would love to see this KC masterpiece released? regards, Dominick , aka (!rKu$. Co-founder of Yahoo's biggest little KC club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/kingcrimson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 15:08:26 +0100 From: "David Hudson" Subject: King Crimson Promotional Video for sale I've got a promo video of the band recording Thrak at Real World Studios. I've put it up for auction on EBay. It can be found at the following URL. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1435908006 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:43:25 -0500 From: "Lord Bravery" Subject: What opening up for Tool means It's probably been discussed before, but Tool has full integrity as their motivation for their opening acts on Tour selections, although the results for the Audiences haven't been too pleasant yet. I recall the experiences of seeing both Avant-Garde Metal groups "The Cows" and "The Melvins", both of which are really out on their limbs opening for Tool's Anima tour. Tool wanted these acts on their tour because these bands were Tool's Influences, and by that measure, meant that Tool wanted ther audiences to be exposed to the same sort of sounds that the members of Tool loved hearing, and consequently those groups which gave Tool's members the reason to become performers. Same idea as when Bowie and NIN did that trek together, or when Deep Purple and ELP went on tour with Dream Theater (reverse situation there) Tool went out of their way to bring these bands out (Audiences hated them, though Tool made anoucemnets that people should hold on to those performances and stop negatively reacting if they wanted the main act to perform. Mostly, this strategy worked, and collaberrations ensued. In fact, when the Melvins put out some albums last year, Tool performed on a track or two. - Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 14:19:55 -0400 From: "Gary/Denise Jibilian" Subject: JIBILIAN/GLASS OPENING FOR EARTHWORKS On June 1st, my duo, JIBILIAN/GLASS, Detroit's new Progressive Voice, had the honor and privilege of opening for Bill Bruford's EARTHWORKS. I play the NS/Stick, the new eight string tapping instrument made by Emmett Chapman, creator of the Stick. Todd Glass plays drums. We just released our debut cd, "GALAXY RODEO," which greatly appeals to fans of King Crimson, Gordian Knot, etc... We played a very good set, mainly due to the fact that we were playing to out #1 target audience, and the crowd loved what they heard, telling us throughout the night how happy they were that there's finally a Crimson-esq Prog band. It was a pleasure to meet Mr.Bruford, who is a very nice down-to-earth person, and simply amazing to hear/watch him and his great band play. Though the overall theme of Earthworks is Jazz, no two songs sounded the same, each composition building into a larger than life "Movement," keeping the audience truly entertained and amazed for a solid hour and a half. That same night, the club owner booked us to open for CAB on June 23! First Bill Bruford, now Dennis Chambers. Which legendary drum god will we open for next? Gary Jibilian www.garyjibilian.com jibilianbass at prodigy dot net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 17:17:50 EDT From: Bassdude007 at aol dot com Subject: Re: camping for tickets??? I'm a huge TOOL fan and K.C. nut too. I cant wait for the tour (if it will indeed happen..) but what I do know is, I live in Chicago, and the same deal with Ticketmaster here. I went to my local outlet and after a lottery was drawn, was third in line. Tix went on sale for TOOL at the Riviera Theatre at 2 pm. There was an incredible line waiting... 2 pm comes... Only the first guy was able to buy a pair. They sold out Chicago in 45 seconds. Tickets scalped outside the Riviera theatre on the Thursday night of the show were fetching up to $900 for a pair, IF you could find em... If and when KC and Tool come back they must play a larger venue, or have a several night stay in the city. The demand will be overwhelming! What a frightening night of beautiful, scary music awaits... Patrick The Bassdude ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:24:20 -0700 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Another snippy Tool fan. Go write your own review. ;-) One of the things I've noticed since I posted this review is that a lot of Tool fans are completely unable to accept opinions differing from their golden path of enlightenment. I've had to set up filters to take care of several persistent young Tool fans who've decided that it isn't enough that my review recommends Lateralus as a "must-purchase album." My review must unreservedly proclaim Lateralus the most important album ever made and Tool some kind of modern-day prophets. Maynard has created a real freakshow there. Several people took offense at me laughingly calling Maynard a "big drag queen" and said that he hasn't worn a dress onstage in three years and that he was only wearing Speedos, a wig and bra on the last tour. Others derided me for not understanding the great metaphysical truths hidden behind the music and packaging of Lateralus. These are the same breed of music fans that thought Jimmy Page was channeling Crowley back in the 70's. That said, Fripp obviously knew what he was doing when he hooked up with Tool. Their new release has gone straight to number one on the Billboard charts. I notice the Tool newsgroup on Usenet is getting hundreds of posts a day now. These upcoming shows are undoubtedly going to sell out quickly and I imagine KC will attract a lot of new fans in the process. God help us all when these fanatic kids looking for deeper meaning discover Happy Mr. Fripp's Guitar Craft monographs and the 4th Way. ;-) -Rob At 04:47 PM 06/03/2001 +0000, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:48:28 -0500 (EST) >From: Adam Levin >Subject: Re: Tool - Lateralus CD review > >R. Jackson wrote: > > > http://www.mediasieve.com/tool_lateralus.html > > > > The URL above is to my review of the new Tool album. > >Can you please post the proper link to the album review? What I found on >the posted link was an amateur psychoanalysis of Tool's vocalist and the >band's fans. Presumably the review that discusses the music is on another >page. > >-Adam http://www.mediasieve.com/ ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #846 ********************************