Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #831 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 831 Wednesday, 2 May 2001 Today's Topics: Re: Abstinence and Rock and Roll ProgNaut.com Update #042701 Re: An Introduction To King Crimson Compilation Moving Wheels, Moving Wheels KCCC 15 - Live At Mainz Review Latin progressive groups (v.2) May 2001 Keyboard Magazine questions????????? Re: An Introduction To King Crimson Compilation #Kingcrimson irc-hispano.org Re: Latin progressive Groups Re: KC & TOOL Tool/King Crimson The Dark Aether Project in Baltimore Saturday May 5th The Love Of Music Update : Making Room for the 24 bit remasters ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:32:25 -0600 From: "Michael Cox" Subject: Re: Abstinence and Rock and Roll Hi all, I had to laugh out loud at Mr. Hartley's amazingly naive call for Rock and Roll Prohibition. To not realize that probably 80 - 90% of the music you love was conceived/performed by musicians who were in some sort of altered state is either intense denial or incredibly naive. If you want your music guaranteed sober, go to church. Of course a musician shouldn't be falling down drunk when they play. But I certainly relax and play better with a couple of beers in me. Rock and roll isn't for choirboys. Let me get this straight. You would ask for your money back if Jaco Pastorious was a little tipsy, but not if Mr. Fripp walked out in mid-performance? Talk about pretzel logic. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ProgNaut at webtv dot net (Ron) Subject: ProgNaut.com Update #042701 ************************************* ************************************* P r o g N a u t . c o m a Progressive & Classic Rock Fan Page located @ www.ProgNaut.com (Updated Last: APRIL 27th, 2001) o Band Pages revamped o Prog Links updated o General Lnks updated o Request form for Band New & Changed URLs ************************************* ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:34:46 -0400 From: Ron Harding Subject: Re: An Introduction To King Crimson Compilation I don't get enough spam these days, so I thought I'd delurk and put out my own two cents on King Crimson compilations. My favourite King Crimson tracks have always been the high-energy instrumentals. A while ago, I burned a compilation disc, which I enjoy so much I almost never play the original studio discs anymore. Pop it in the car stereo, and don't be shy with the decibels. Here's what's on it: Lark's Tongues in Aspic, Pt. 1 Abridged studio version from the Essential King Crimson box. Improv - Asbury Park Digitized (using a crappy SoundBlaster 16) from my USA LP. A serious can of improvised whoop-ass. Improv - The Fright Watch The Talking Drum Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Pt. 2 These last three are consecutive tracks from the Night Watch live CD (the legendary Amsterdam Concertgebouw show). The energy and intensity of these performances makes the studio versions sound like Lawrence Welk. And a rare Fripp boo-boo to lend an aura of uniqueness to the proceedings. Fracture S&BB version, which was actually recorded live at the same Amsterdam Concertgebouw show. If only I could have been there. But I was only 6 years old, and on the wrong side of the Atlantic. Improv - We'll Let You Know Starless Discipline The regular versions, from the original discs. Sartori in Tangiers Live version from the Essential King Crimson box. There it is. 73 minutes of "how can you listen to this crap?". There are quite a few other gems I wanted to include, but there wasn't room. Some day, I'll make myself a "Best of Instrumental Crimson, Vol. 2", which will include Trio, one of their versions of Mars, the Schizoid Man from USA, The Sailor's Tale, and a bunch more I can't think of right now. - Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:55:21 -0400 From: "Josh Chasin" Subject: Moving Wheels, Moving Wheels IN ET #829, Karl Maybach asks: "By the way, does anybody else see "Neal and Jack and Me" (from "Beat") referring to Jack Kerouac and Neal Cassady?" Honestly, has there ever even been any question? The lyrics themselves refer to "Des visions du Cody...Sartori a Paris...", which are direct references to two Keroac novels (the Cody in "Visions of Cody" being, of course, Neil Casady.) The album itself is called "Beat" (as in, Beatnik). There is another song on the album, "The Howler", which is presumably a reference to Keruac and Casady chrony and contemnporary Alan Ginsberg (famously author of the poem "The Howling"). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:24:03 -0000 From: "Danny Anderson" Subject: KCCC 15 - Live At Mainz Review I remember John Wetton saying in an interview (in the KC scrapbook) that he liked the album USA and thought it was ballsier than the studio albums. Well, this is the one he could say that about as well. High points for me - Improv: The Savage - aptly named and too short. I like how John and Bill ignore RF and DC's attempts to go into Dr. Diamond until they are ready. Improv: Atria - very strong. They take no prisoners on this one. Starless - this appears to be a new addition to the set. Cross solos after RF's "Chinese water torture" solo, then RF's solo and in the end all hell breaks loose. BB on this album is very outgoing and energetic. JW is powerful, as always and DC's electric piano work is much more forward in the mix than usual. And RF's guitar work is the usual - not for the faint hearted. Good stuff. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:22:27 -0400 From: Cristian Zambrano Tapia Subject: Latin progressive groups (v.2) As a guide for "new listeners", I strongly recommend "Alturas de Machu Picchu" by Los Jaivas. The first time I listened, realised that it was progressive music in spanish (at that time I was listening Yes every day!) and it's reminiscent of the best passages of 70's british prog-rock. Best track: "La Poderosa Muerte" CU Cristian Zambrano Tapia Ingeniero Civil Qu{imico VTR, Juntos mucho mejor http://www.vtr.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:15:41 -0500 From: "Kade" Subject: May 2001 Keyboard Magazine Hey ETers, I figure some of you may be into keyboards and perhaps you subscribe to Keyboard Magazine too. I am looking for the May 2001 Keyboard Magazine that was packaged with a Korg Video and coupon. What I am interested in (actually my friend is) is the Korg Karma coupon. If you do not own the Karma, nor do you plan to buy a Karma, would you mind giving the coupon to me (actually my friend)? It would be greatly appreciated. Thank you! Kade PS: Please respond directly to me at kade at rli dot net, not ET. Thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 06:43:31 -0000 From: "Daniel Branco P." Subject: questions????????? HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How are you???????????? (That's my first question) Only a few days ago I saw the video of KC in Japan: RECONTRAMACROCHANFLESUPERMEGA-BRUTAL (traduction: good in a special manner). I saw the stick and the warr guitar, and also some similarities in way of play, but, what are the diferences? Thanks! Bye ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:09:20 EDT From: Bassdude007 at aol dot com Subject: Re: An Introduction To King Crimson Compilation In a message dated 4/27/01 3:29:38 PM Central Daylight Time, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: << Subject: An Introduction To King Crimson Compilation >> Hey dude- I'm Patrick and I play the Bass. Nice list for a new KC initiate. Mine would vary a bit by being a bit shorter. Too Much Overload for those unknown of the Crimsoid Beast. Leave em with a taste wanting more.... My List: (still mighty long though...) 21st Century Schizoid Man (ItCoTCK) Sailor's Tale (Full version) (Islands) Groon (single from "The Essential King Crimson" box set) The Great Deciever (SABB) Starless (The Great Deciever disc I) Elephant Talk (Discipline) Three of a Perfect Pair (ToAPp) LTiA (part 3) The Construction of Light (TCOL) LTiA (part four) (Heavy Construction) Three of a Perfect Pair (Heavy Construction) accoustic in that order...I know the timeline is a bit flawed with the Groon placement, but yet "Oh So Nice". I would have included many other favourites such as "Deception of the Thrush" (which I believe is a Kurrent Klaasic...Wonderful Stuff!!! Kudos!), anything from the 5 piece "LTiA" album, in fact the whole disc.... "Thela Hun Gingeet", "Mars", not even mentioning Project X or KCCC discs and such. The lineup of Fripp, Belew, Gunn and Mastelloto are the reigning Red line-up and having seen them 2x in Chicago this past year I am biased in their favour. I've seen the King in former incarnations over the years, and this current band just SIMPLY SMOKES!!!! Trey Gunn is a Major-Thumper!!! All things Crim are all Good Things! Peace-out and be good. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:37:48 -1300 From: "Fran" Subject: #Kingcrimson irc-hispano.org Hi, Elephant-talk. I'm the admin of #kingcrimson on irc- hispano.org. #kingcrimson is asociated with a many pages of KingCrimson in spanish. I would like that channel will be announced in your page, for the King Crimson lovers of spanish languaje. Sorry, my english is too bad :). ============================================= fran911 at mixmail dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:24:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge Luis Jimenez Subject: Re: Latin progressive Groups There's a lot of bands from south america doing great pregressive rock for instance "TEMPANO" from Venezuela, they were the ones who opened the show for YES in Caracas in 1999 they're awesome... JL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:32:24 +0100 From: "Paul Owens" Subject: Re: KC & TOOL All, If KC really are opening for the TOOL tour are we to infer that the Frippmiester finds the site of heavily tattooed 16 year olds stagediving less off-putting than camera flashes? Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 19:27:39 -0500 From: "Joseph Barker" Subject: Tool/King Crimson I heard that King Crimson would be opening for Tool's North American tour late this summer. Do you know if there is any truth to this? That would be an incredible show if it was! J.R. Barker www.jrbarker.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:58:20 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin Subject: The Dark Aether Project in Baltimore Saturday May 5th On Saturday May 5th, The Dark Aether Project will take a break from work on their third album for a special performance to premiere new material live at Orion Studios located at 2903 Whittington Ave in Baltimore MD. Showtime is 8pm and admission is *free* for all ages. The Dark Aether Project: Allen Brunelle: Drums/Keyboards/Vocals Jennifer Huff: Vocals Adam Levin: Warr 8 String Touchstyle Guitar/Keyboards/loops John McCloskey: Guitar/Guitar Synthesizer Marty Saletta Keyboards/Stick See http://www.DarkAether.net/ for more information "...jazz-inflected, often minimalistic...foreboding soundscapes...classy ...offers mature musicianship without pretentiousness" - John Collinge - Progression (US) "..intense and blistering lead work...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike...worthy of attention." - Peter Thelen - Expose (US) "...delivers what the demanding progressive rock fan wants: a unique and original product, dexterity, a sharp musical flair and the ability to play with the listener's emotions." - Cyclone Magazine (Quebec) "I'm blown away. This is - forgive my colloquialism - some serious shit. ...an absolutely fabulous album." - Larry Nai - Progression - (US) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:30:53 +0200 From: "Lars Berger" Subject: The Love Of Music I have been a Crimson follower for a long time and I really like the two recent records, The Construkction Of Light and Heavy Construkction. Am looking forward to the next effort, and also the new Tool album. If they tour together in the summer, that will surely be one of the coolest things so far, all categories! What these two bands share is a heavy dose of musical integrity, a quality not too easy to find these days. Which is kind of strange, because if you loose that, what do you have left? Maybe a large pile of dollar bills if you are lucky, but most of the time you're left with nothing. When it comes to music I want to stay naive until I die, and enjoy making music with other human beings...it's all that matters really, at least when it comes to the musical side of life. Please feel welcome to visit: www.electricearth.org /Lars ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:26:34 EDT From: AlfredDodson at aol dot com Subject: Update : Making Room for the 24 bit remasters Hello Again Larks' tongues In Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, and Red have been sold. I still have Discipline, Beat, and Three Of A Perfect Pair available. Thanks for all your help, Alfred Dodson ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #831 ********************************