Reply-To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Sender: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Precedence: bulk From: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk To: toby at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: Discipline #83 Discipline, Number 83 Sunday, 14 March 1993 Today's Topics: Talk To the Wind demo + thanks + Great Deceiver boxed set book Re: I Talk To The Wind demo Thela Hun Ginjeet Discipline (Sartori in Ginjeet). Encdote + wanted lyrics ++ Re: Discipline #82 Satori in Tangier Holdsworth Vernon and Robert [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 12:07:55 PST From: Cat food cat food cat food AGAIN!!! Subject: Talk To the Wind demo + thanks + Great Deceiver boxed set book The version of I talk To The Wind on Young persons Guide was a demo to the record company I believe. Thank you for taking the trouble to type in the lyrics to the Red songs. [ They were never included on the american version of the albums] This is a whine: I'm not sure why reviews to the other boxed set are in the live boxed set. [End of whine] I loved the travel log though. I have to confess that when I was younger I thought the members of King Crimson so "cool" and "hip"and "[insert-your-trendy-word]" to ever have to deal with problems at this level. Especially problems like running out of tape in the middle of a jam. I thought only lowly non-high-end recording fools like myself hit that problem. After reading the section in the booklet on that, the little snippet of Fripp speaking "If you want to change reels, go baby!" between songs, pretty funny. Lastly (I'm long winded today), Discipline #n is great! Jay Kuhn [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 12:57:42 PST From: 08-Mar-1993 1552 Subject: Re: I Talk To The Wind demo >The track I Talk To The Wind on A Young Person's Guide to King Crimson >sounds much different than the original on In the Court of the Crimson >King, as if it was sped up or a female singer's voice was dubbed over >Lake's. Does the booklet which I hear is supposed to come with the LP >explain this? (I own the tape) My copy of the tape came with the booklet, which was nice because my LP (used) didn't. The answer is that it is a demo version of the tune recorded by Giles, Giles and Fripp (the pre-Crimson band) during its last days. By this time Ian MacDonald had joined and Judy Dyble, who had just left the folk band Fairport Convention (to be replaced by Sandy Denny), was the vocalist. Perhaps the most bizarre thing about this period is how after adding Greg Lake they turned from a folkish outfit into the fire-breathing band we know them as today. >Who is David Sylvian? What has he done previous to working with Fripp? Sylvian was the lead singer for a band called Japan in the early 80s before going solo. Check earlier postings about his career. Brian Rost rost at tecrus dot enet dot dec dot com 508-568-6115 DEC, Hudson, MA ******************************************************************************* "Have you noticed how the hole in the ozone layer has grown progressively larger since rap got popular?" -Anonymous ******************************************************************************* [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1993 15:32:09 -0800 From: Chris Stelzer Subject: Thela Hun Ginjeet I do remember one thing: Thela Hun Ginjeet is simply an anagram of "Heat in the Jungle" Chris Stelzer stelzer at ocf dot berkeley dot edu [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Subject: Discipline (Sartori in Ginjeet). Date: Mon, 8 Mar 93 17:36:04 PST From: oedipus at cruzio dot santa-cruz dot ca dot us (Edsarr) Goodevening, christp at alleg dot edu requests info on Thela Hun Ginjeet and Sartori in Tangier... Thela Hun Ginjeet is an anagram for Heat In The Jungle. Now here's a bit of trivia... The chorus of the song goes: Quata Remay Thela Hun Ginjeet Quata Remay Heat In The Jungle Street (Quata Remay is the best phonetic approximation I can create for the words Adrian sings here, I've never seen printed lyrics so I know no better). After the KC show at Boston's Orpheum theater during the TOAPP tour, I waited backstage to try to talk to Adrian (I knew that Fripp refused to perpetuate anything resembling the vampiric relationship between performer and audience). When Belew came out, I congradulated him on an incredible show, and asked, "I know that Thela Hun Ginjeet means heat in the jungle, but what does 'Quata Remay' mean?" Belew replied, "Nothing." I insisted,"Oh come on, nothing?" He looked me in the eyes and said, "It's just words to sing, it doesn't mean anything." He wrote it so I suppose he should know. (Or maby some things are to be told, and some things are to be experienced. ;-)) Sartori in Tangier refers to Beat Poets Ginsburg Burroughs Kerroac Drugs Zen Morroco Consciousness Enlightenment Counterculture Art Words Concepts Buddha. The album's called 'Beat' (pun to beat poetry). Neil Cassidy is Neil and Jack and Me (listen to the other lyrics). The lyrics to Neurotica are in classic Beat format stream consciousness flowing parallelism flashing eyes shining life. Since the album came out, I suspected that Adrian had recently read On The Road. "If you know you have an unpleasant nature, and dislike people, this is no obstacle to work." - J. G. Bennet (quoted on Exposure) -- Rev.Dr.Oedipus P. Wienushausen # The only constant is change; oedipus at cruzio dot santa-cruz dot ca dot us # enjoy the illusory dance. # Love is the nature of universe. Poised on the brink: Utopia/Oblivion # >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>! [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Mar 93 19:57:26 +0200 From: ophir at math dot tau dot ac dot il Subject: Encdote + wanted lyrics ++ Hello evry1! Did you know that "Devil's Triangle" is based on a classical music piece? It's Gustav Holst's (English composer) "Mars" from 'The Planets'. By the way ELP made their version of it in their album: Emerson Lake & Powell. After getting the lyrics of RED (unbelievable isn't it?) I go for more: Does anyone have the lyrics of "The Mincer"? ( I know it's about 2 sentences but yet...) I read that Bjorn Lisper has actually played a Mellotron! Could you write and tell us about it? And now for the daily Trivia (No I don't know the answers): In "Book of Saturday" does Fripp play the tape back or just plays with the Volume? About John Wetton and 'UK'. What ever happened to John Wetton (since 1980)? How many albums did UK release? (and lyrics again...) Does anyone in this world have the lyrics of 'UK'? Great to be in 'Discipline' Ophir. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Tue, 9 Mar 93 13:32:50 -0800 From: Academick Fraud Subject: Re: Discipline #82 Thela Hun Ginjeet is an anagram of Heat in the Jungle--note that those words are spoken by Adrian in the song, as he is referring to his interview in New York. Sartori in Tangier, I believe, is a reference to a Paul Bowles novel, as is the song "The Sheltering Sky," named after one of his more famous books. Sartori is (please correct me fellow mysticism followers) an enlightened state, similar to a nirvana notion, and Tangier is a North African city that Bowles frequented. I don't know if those words appear in Bowles' novel (it's very likely). Hope these helped as answers to King Crimson's song originations...? -elba [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 15:37:37 -0600 From: press at lip dot wustl dot edu (Bill Press) Subject: Satori in Tangier Hi there... this I'm new to this digest, and was planning on waiting in the wings for a while before posting anything. In the last digest, though, somebody asked > ... what does Thela Hun Ginjeet and Sartori in Tangier mean? While I have no idea what Thela Hun Ginjeet means, I do know that Tangiers is a country between Algiera and Libya. I believe William Burroughs spent some time there freaking out (if you've read any of his stuff, you'll know what I mean). A satori is, loosely speaking, an epiphany, an awakening, an enlightenment. Hope this helps, Bill [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 22:15 PST From: ken%wet at netcom dot com (kenneth stuart) Subject: Holdsworth Hello, Okay, I am not overly impressed with anything I've heard by Alan Holdsworth. But, I keep hearing him praised in places such as Discipline. So, what should I listen to, in order to hear the best Holdsworth? Ken [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] From: MICHAEL dot LEE at mail dot admin dot wisc dot edu Subject: Vernon and Robert Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 13:05 CST I picked up the Guitar World (or whatever) that had the Fripp/Reid conversation I'm a fan of Living Colour (and obviously KC) so it was a lot of fun to read. It's much in the same flavor of the discussion that was posted a month or so -- Robert discusses how musicians are like prosititues, topless dancers, etc. It's also funny because the magazine adds some educational descriptions for things like Maoists, jazz musicians, etc. What was funny was in the most recent issue of Spin, they also compared the new Living Colour album to Crimson (specifically Larks Tongues In Aspic). Of course, they didn't quite mean it as a complement (that would require too much taste....:-) ) There were some really funny descriptions --- the all time winner line describing Vernon Reid as a "multicultural Robert Fripp". I think I laughed for a few minutes on that one. (Of course, I find it odd that they would spend so much of the review comparing Living Colour to Crimson, especially when the reviewer didn't have a positive opinion of Crimson.) 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