Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #821 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 821 Friday, 30 March 2001 Today's Topics: Patricia Fripp HDCD The Dark Aether Project in Baltimore May 5th Re: The Stevens in BLS Re: The Stevens in BLS Re: HDCD defined from a Telephone Company geek Trey Gunn with Eric Johnson Re : Tony Levin and Yes Re: Peart, Bruford and swing ITCOTCK Gatefold edition. ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:47:32 -0500 From: "James J. Hannigan" Subject: Patricia Fripp Has anyone plopped down the $100 for the Fripp speech collection that his sister is selling? Check out the website, it has a clip of him discussing when Hendrix saw KC, and someone claimed JH called them "the best band in the world." http://www.robertfrippunplugged.com/ >>I don't wish to flame anyone, but how on earth can Jethro Tull be >>labeled "progressive"? Tull formed when the trend was for blues based >>rock - Zep, Beck Group, Ten Years After, etc. To differentiate >>themselves they went for an English folk rock sound. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:17:00 -0500 From: Randall dot Hammill at hartfordlife dot com Subject: HDCD OK, now that we've confused everyone with bandwidths, frequencies, etc. I do have a question about this (which I am sure has been answered elsewhere on the net). The KC releases are 24 bit/96khz releases. Many new DVD players are capable of playing this back. But DO they play this back any differently than a CD player? Also, I'd like to hear if anybody can hear a difference. I don't think my current DVD Player does (I have to check it), but the new one I am getting will. Randy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:45:56 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Levin Subject: The Dark Aether Project in Baltimore May 5th The Dark Aether Project will take a break from work on its 3rd album on Saturday May 5th to perform at Orion Studios in Baltimore, MD to celebrate the release of the "What's New In Baltimore" CD compilation featuring music by some of Baltimore's finest modern avant/experimental/progressive rock bands. This will be the premiere performance of the new lineup and will feature nearly 30 minutes of new material as well as radical reworkings of older material. This is a *free* all-ages performance starting at 8pm. The Dark Aether Project: Allen Brunelle: Drums/Keyboards/Vocals Jennifer Huff: Vocals Adam Levin: Warr 8 String Touch Style Guitar/Keyboards/Loops John McCloskey: Guitar/Guitar Synthesizer Marty Saletta: Keyboards/Stick See http://www.DarkAether.net/ for more information ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:12:59 EST From: Mfortfam at aol dot com Subject: Re: The Stevens in BLS "RadioactiveToy71" wrote in ET 818: << I recently picked up a CD that I cannot for the life of me remember the name of, but it's Bozzio, John Torn (? not Zorn, I know that), and someone else on bass and they're very very good (the CD is in the car and I can't go get it right this second, perhaps another poster could nail it?). >> That sounds like _Polytown_: Terry Bozzio, *David* Torn, and Mick Karn in '93 or '94. Yes, they were very, very good. David Torn is the guitarist who recently worked with Bruford & Levin (_Upper Extremities_ & _B.L.U.E. Nights_) and has an interesting solo catalog as well. In fact, Bruford & Levin worked on an '87 album of Torn's called _Cloud About Mercury_ which is worth checking out if you haven't heard it. Mick Karn was the bassist in... Japan and Rain Tree Crow, I think? He also has some solo albums that I'm less familiar with. HTH. 'YesELPkCrimson' (Mark F.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:04:32 +0100 From: "C McG" Subject: Re: The Stevens in BLS RadioactiveToy71 wrote: >I recently picked up a CD that I cannot for the life of me remember the > >name of, but it's Bozzio, John Torn (? not Zorn, I know that), and >someone else on bass and they're very very good (the CD is in the car >and >I can't go get it right this second, perhaps another poster could >nail >it?). I will answer your query with 6 degrees of separation from the poster's question to the poster's name: 1. The CD in question is Polytown By Terry Bozzio, David Torn and Mick Karn. David Torn is the guitar loop wizard from BLUE. Check out his Cloud About Mercury CD with Bruford, Levin and Mark Isham (new age jazzer on wind and synth). 2. Torn's portfolio also includes work with the great David Sylvian. 3. Mark Isham, also on the Polytown CD, has sat in on sessions for Sylvian's solo albums. 4. Mick Karn is the rubber-band bass monster from Sylvian's seminal art-pop band Japan. 5. Japan's synth player was Richard Barbieri from the should-be-huge Porcupine Tree 6. Porcupine Tree's debut album contained the song Radioactive Toy Hope that clears things up RadioactiveToy71! The idea of a Bozzio, Karn, (John) Zorn collaboration has sent me salivating for my Naked City 'Grand Guignol' CD. Avant-jazz guitarist Bill Frisell does some great work on this album. Coincidentally (?) Frisell also worked with David Sylvian. Any fans of Japanese prog-noise duo Ruins out there? Da Zeuhl Wortz Mekanik - - - Magma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:08:20 -0600 From: Jeff and/or Cynthia Subject: Re: HDCD defined from a Telephone Company geek > On traditional CD's, the word length is 16 bits, so it is sampled 2756 >times per second, to come up with a sample rate of 44,100 bits per second >(CD standard). > An HDCD is sampled with a 20-bit word length, at 2205 times per >second, to get 44,100 bits of information per second. Even though the >sampling rate is smaller, the word bit is longer and many people feel that >this results in superior sound definiton. I agree. I'm quite sure this is incorrect. On traditional CDs, the word length is indeed 16 bits, and the sample rate is 44,100 _samples_ per second. Each sample is 16 bits. That means there are 2^16 (or 65536) voltage levels that can be represented per sample. The bit rate is 705600 per second per channel, or 1411200 bits per second for your usual stereo disc. For a 20 bit disc, the sample rate stays the same, but there are 2^20 (or 1048576) voltage levels that can be resolved. There is more resolution on your silly scope's vertical axis (voltage), but the horizontal axis (time) stays the same. The increased resolution is why it would sound better, but I contend you would only hear the difference in very quiet passages of music. Much of the sonic gain you hear with HDCD comes from better attention to the analog circuitry of the player. Try to record something on you computer at 2205 samples per second on your computer, even at 16 bits. It'll sound worse than your telephone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:38:20 -0600 From: Chris Cowan Subject: Trey Gunn with Eric Johnson Someone on the list was asking about Eric Johnson playing with Trey Gunn. I had the great pleasure of seeing the Vortexian show, with Eric, Trey, and Jerry Marotta on drums. Trey's diary entry was correct, they put Austin on it's ass. (I guess this makes up for the fact that Pat Mastelotto lives here in town and KC did not even have a tour date within the state of TX this last time!!) The show however, consisted of no new EJ material. It was all classic stuff from EJ's solo albums Tones, Ah Via Musicom, and Venus Isle. What was interesting to see was Trey step into the role of being a bass player, on the Warr Guitar, with this material.. His playing and approach were very different than what I had seen in other shows (the double KC trio, and the ProjeKct 3) or what I heard on Trey's solo efforts. I have also seen EJ with Alien Love Child multiple times, but Vortexian was just light years ahead of them. They really made EJ better. Unfortunately, I don't think there was any studio effort, and to the best of my knowledge they played at most 5 or 6 shows. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:04:39 -0500 From: John MacNeill Subject: Re : Tony Levin and Yes >> The live "an evening of Yes music plus" is greater than the studio album, >> but I don't remember wether or not Tony Levin plays on it... >Tony was ill at the time of that show (at Shoreline Amphitheatre, Mountain >View, CA) and was 'replaced' by Jeff Berlin. There are numerous soundboard >ABWH shows in circulation that feature Tony on bass. >Adam An mp3 of a duet between Levin and Bruford from the ABWH tour is available on Tony Levin's site http://www.tonylevin.com/stuff.html, in the MEDIA section, download "Rare Bruford/Levin duet." For me, it was the highlight of the show! John MacNeill - Sound Organizer http://www.noisynoise.com jmac at noisynoise dot com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:11:08 -0600 From: "Chris 'Coz' Costello" Subject: Re: Peart, Bruford and swing > Warren Melnick > << You have got to be kidding me! Do you think the > only place he plays is in Rush? Check out the Buddy > Rich tribute CDs that he put together and played > on. Then tell me whether or not he swings...>> IMHO, the only drummer on Burning for Buddy that swings less than Peart is probably Matt Sorum, although his track is still fun. Do you really think that NP even comes *close* to, say, Kenny Aronoff's take on "Straight, No Chaser" or Marvin Smith's track? Really? > From: Lucas Bleicher > Well, I was just referring to his drumming on Rush > (which I like very much). Unfortunately, I never heard > him playing jazz. I'm aware of this CDs (I think Broof > plays on one of them, is that true?), but I never saw > them in any store... Bruford, with typical Bruford hubris, is the only one who played one of his own compositions instead of a Buddy tune on the first record, unless you count the Max Roach bit. It's a neat tune, though. Later, COZ - - -- Chris 'Coz' Costello :: coz at enteract dot com Signal to Noise :: http://www.enteract.com/~coz/ URT :: (temporarily unavailable) "Hipness is transient. You have to change in order to be continually hip." -- Vinnie Colaiuta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 11:40:11 -0400 From: "Pablo Velasco" Subject: ITCOTCK Gatefold edition. Could anyone tell me if there is a place in Internet where I can still purchase the remastered gatefold edition of ITCOTCK. Please e-mail me: cvsax at unete dot com Thank you Pablo ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #821 ********************************