Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #808 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 808 Sunday, 4 March 2001 Today's Topics: Local et'ers?? Oh NO! Not "The Cars"! Re: Through the Past, Hardly ham and song Re: hammond song/the roaches Re: hammond song Re; Hammond Song Completely safe post crimson on top 10 prog Remasters and then some... UK Channel 4 top 10 Re: Hammond Song/"The Roaches" Re: a word about Heavy ConstruKction and Rik Ocasek Re: Les Roches Prog top ten Re: song title/performers on Tony's Road Movies Ian MacDonald/Matthews ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:05:10 EST From: BrianHopely at cs dot com Subject: Local et'ers?? Hey all- I've tried contacting people in the Philadelphia area from the local et'ers section, but got 0 responses. Has anybody checked or updated that section of the site any time recently? If not, go ahead and put me in there for the philadelphia area. Another point- I've been meaning to post this for a really long time but i have a question- To all of you who saw Fripp's soundscape show at the painted bride in philadelphia, did you notice how he almost had one young man in tears? i actually felt sympathy for this poor guy cause fripp was making him feel stupid for asking a question that wasn't stated exactly right! he was sitting on the pillows, about a foot away from fripp. He had that look of lunacy in his eye, and i thought he would either a. run out of the place crying or b. scream bloody murder and try to strangle fripp right there! poor guy! brian hopely ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:09:36 -0500 From: "Caruso, Josette" Subject: Oh NO! Not "The Cars"! I would HATE to see Rick as the lead singer of ANY band...he is really boring in the cars.....besides, I REALLY like Adrian...I like his voice and he's a very nice addition along with Trey to give the girls something to "look at"!!! xoxoxox...Josette ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: Through the Past, Hardly A correspondant writes: >We all know Fripp's dislike about looking back at the past Given four discs' worth of "Epitath", four of "The Great Deceiver" and 15 (and counting) in the KC/DGM Collectors' Club, I'd say it looks like Fripp has gotten over that particular pet peeve. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:17:49 EST From: KB305 at aol dot com Subject: ham and song In a message dated 02/27/2001 3:04:43 PM Central Standard Time, et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk writes: > Recently I discovered a band called "The Roaches", a band conceived in the > late 70's. One song they did was called "Hammond Song", on which Robert > Fripp played a guitar solo. Upon further research I learned this band was > from my home town of Hammond, LA. My questions are, what role did Fripp > have in this band besides his guest solo, what happened to these women, and > is it true that they are from Louisiana. Much thanx for any info. Tell > Fripp to include the N.O. House of Blues again on his next tour. > > If you'd listen to the first song on the Roches CD, 'We', you'd learn that: 'We are Maggie and Terrie and Suzzy' and that 'We come from deepest New Jersey but now we live in New York City' and furthermore 'We spell our last name R-O-C-H-E' Fripp produced that recording. At my last knowledge, they were slaving away in the Westchester County delta (near Purdys). I'll get right on that call to Fripp regarding New Orleans! He owes me one! now going back to... something, Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:20:25 -0500 From: Fred Boak Subject: Re: hammond song/the roaches In ET #807, jfournet at bellsouth dot net asked: >Recently I discovered a band called "The Roaches", a band conceived in the >late 70's. One song they did was called "Hammond Song", on which Robert >Fripp played a guitar solo. Upon further research I learned this band was >from my home town of Hammond, LA. My questions are, what role did Fripp >have in this band besides his guest solo, what happened to these women, and >is it true that they are from Louisiana. Much thanx for any info. Tell >Fripp to include the N.O. House of Blues again on his next tour. The Roaches were/are three sisters: Maggie, Terre, and Suzzy. Fripp produced their first ("The Roaches') and third albums ("Keep on Doin'") as a trio. There was one pre-Fripp album duo album with just Maggie & Terre ("Seductive Reasoning," if I remember correctly), which was produced by Paul Simon. In addition, Terre sings on the Fripp version of "Exposure". If I remember correctly, Levin (and maybe Bruford) perform on a few songs from the third album. They're still around, though they don't seem to perform that much and Suzzy seems to have started a bit of a solo career. I'm pretty sure they're not from Louisiana. The song "We", from their first album, says that they're from New Jersey. The Hammond Song sure is pretty, though. I sang with an acapella group at MIT (the Chorallaries) and we sang an arrangement of that song. - Fred. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:49:16 -0500 From: Sylvan Subject: Re: hammond song "jfournet" wrote: > Recently I discovered a band called "The Roaches", a band conceived in the > late 70's. One song they did was called "Hammond Song", on which Robert > Fripp played a guitar solo. Upon further research I learned this band was > from my home town of Hammond, LA. My questions are, what role did Fripp > have in this band besides his guest solo, what happened to these women, and > is it true that they are from Louisiana. Much thanx for any info. Tell > Fripp to include the N.O. House of Blues again on his next tour. You mean the Roches (not a typo)? They started off as backup singers for Paul Simon in the early 70's. I have one of their albums, Nurds, but I never knew they worked with Fripp. A quick visit to allmusic.com confirms this. He produced and played guitar on their debut album (1979), which also featured none other than Tony Levin on bass. Small world. ;) -- Sylvan The problem with polls is that they only take into account the opinions of people with nothing better to do than responding to polls. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:52:26 -0500 From: Michael dot Russell at mercerdelta dot com Subject: Re; Hammond Song In reply to jfournet's query about The Roches: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche have put out several albums over the years; all of the discs I've heard are a joy. RF was involved with their 1979 album THE ROCHES as producer and guitarist. At the same time, Roche voices are heard on RF's Exposure album, and Terre sings the Fritched Samurai War Whoops on the title track. RF, TL and BB appear on the Roche's disc KEEP ON DOING (albeit WAY in the background), and RF performed several gigs with the girls. I saw them at Carnegie Hall, where RF positively beamed?he seemed to be having enormous fun. The Roches also sang their version of the Hallelujah Chorus on Saturday Night Live around 1980. At least on record, they sing about being from New Jersey originally . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 15:02:08 -0700 From: "Michael Cox" Subject: Completely safe post Hi everyone! I'm a long-time lurker and had a question... Oh dang! I just read the Forbidden Topics list. Oh well, if anyone knows how to play a tritone on a Mellotron tuned to the New Standard Tuning, contact me privately. I also have a lot of bootleg Philip Glass but I can't tell any of it apart. (If anyone gets the idea that this is a good-natured jab at the fact that too much censorship leads to BOREDOM, please disabuse yourself of it... or simply go abuse yourself.) So let's see, what's not on the list.... How's the weather? Michael Cox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:06:39 -0000 From: "Woody" Subject: crimson on top 10 prog lets hope they get a decent entry in the top 10, with some quality footage Woody @ Osmosis Productions pondering the unponderable, with pondering ponderality, in a preponderous ponderational ponder. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:06:17 -0500 From: "top jimmy" Subject: Remasters and then some... I am looking forward to the next set of remasters. I just picked up the Wetton era ones and was blown away by how much better these cds now sound. The guitars smoke. The drums sound like thunder at time, yet all the crashes and little fills are not lost and of course the bass is right in your face as well. I highly recommend picking up the remasters. I was also very happy with the latest KCCC. I was not a huge fan of the pre Wetton releases, but this club release made me go back and take a second look. I just might upgrade and get those remasters also. Anybody interested in obtaining some used Crims cd pre Vroom, please contact me. I don't think Fripp or fellow bandmates would have a problem if fans resell used cds to upgrade to the recently released/forthcoming remasters. I look at it this way, if I am selling a cd and using that cash to buy a new one, then I am putting that royalty money in the rightful hands. If I am not up going to buy the remasters because I can't afford or don't want two versions, than the artist in question will not get that royalty money. I guess if I were more in touch with technology I could just go to Napster, but I am one of those cd collecting freaks that needs the newest remaster with the coolest artwork. Call me crazy, I have about 2,300 cds now... Crimson and Tool? Will that work? I am not a Tool fan, but am dying to seeing the Crims in action. Guess I could leave after Crims or show up after Tool...Why is Maynard complaining about not being sober? Its only talk... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 16:09:23 -0700 From: "Sam Behrend" Subject: UK Channel 4 top 10 > UK Channel 4 will be having a top 10 prog rock countdown next > Saturday. For those of us unable to view, please post the results. Thanks. Sam Behrend Tucson, Arizona ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 18:16:42 EST From: Oidtman at aol dot com Subject: Re: Hammond Song/"The Roaches" I recall a band named the Roches with a singer Terri who was on Exposure. Correct me if I'm wrong but memory serves me that her voice was "fritched" (?). I think she was the lead voice on the song "Exposure". They were pretty cool. "Exposure". Nothing needs to be said. cao ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:41:51 +0100 From: "T. Kemper" Subject: Re: a word about Heavy ConstruKction and Rik Ocasek Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:25:25 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Hartley Subject: Re: Rik Ocasek ?! Hi there! I'd like to know what makes Martin think of Rik Ocasek as King Crimson singer? I like the Cars' music but the connection Ocasek-King Crimson sounds weird to me. I don't know anything about Ocasek's lyrics so give some explanation, please. It's a funny idea in a way. Adrain Belew's lyrics are one of the things I highly enjoy about KC. I love his sense of humor and his choice of words, his guitarwork, and his way of singing in the studio, but was really disappointed about the quality of Adrian's voice on Heavy ConstruKction. I really thought it is quite thin, too. Strange thing, though, cause I've just seen KC live in Bonn, Ger. last year and his voice sounded fine to me... But I am quite disappointed about the quality of Heavy ConstruKction anyhow. The oldfashioned package, the choice of songs and their messy order, the rather bad sound quality and the poor 'enhacement' make it look like it's been put together in great haste and that's a shame. I think a band that can play as exact and yet adventurous as KC do deserves better. Maybe I got too used to the high standards of KC's artwork in general. Basically I think that an enhanced CD is a great idea. But why not dare to go further than a poor quality live-video? The standards for video streaming at the moment allow far better quality than what is shown on Heavy Con. I understand that putting a video on a CD uses up a lot of disk space, but with three CD's there IS quite a lot of space. I don't know if other ET's agree, but I wouldn't mind if up to one Cd was filled with 'enhanced' material if it is of better quality. (no I am NOT trying to sell something, I just like the connection of music and the 'new arts') this was my first time on ET and I enjoyed it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:22:28 +0000 From: John Peacock Subject: Re: Les Roches Jfournet a dit: > Recently I discovered a band called "The Roaches", a band conceived in the > late 70's. The Roches. Three sisters. They might be said to have been conceived during the fifties. That was a joke. Maggie, Terre and Suzzy. Maggie and Terre recorded an album in the mid-seventies. Produced by Paul Simon, I think. Fripp produced two albums for them "The Roches" and "Keep on Doing". I seem to remember that Fripp was dating Terre Roche at the time, but don't quote me on that. She appears as a vocalist on "Exposure", and the sisters contribute to the Indiscreet portions of the original League of Gentlemen album (how to dance with your hips and Plunderburger). > One song they did was called "Hammond Song", on which Robert Fripp played a > guitar solo. That is a wonderful Fripp solo, one of my favourites. Levin and Bruford also appear on one of the albums, I think, but very much in the background. you wouldn't know if no one told you. "The Roches" was recorded in what Fripp called "Audio Verite" - using no exciters or other tricks, very plainly recorded. I think it does sound very upfront and honest, since folky acts tend to be chorused and sweetened to death. With the Roches there was always a conflict between sweetness (in the harmonies) and a slightly cynical edge. I think "Keep On Doing" includes their barnstorming a capella version of Handel's Hallelujah Chorus. They continued together until recently. Possibly split up now - Suzzy and Maggie played here (UK) last autumn. Suzzy Roche is also an actress. > is it true that they are from Louisiana. I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised. It's a French name. John -- Obligatory self-promotion thing: http://website.lineone.net/~grangousier/home.html http://www.mp3.com/peacock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 00:27:21 +0000 From: John Peacock Subject: Prog top ten > Steve Day said: > > > "Top Ten - Progressive Rock > > Bill Bailey ... takes a look at the best of progressive rock And I thought they'd get Rick Wakeman to do it. They're just going to take the piss, you know. I had that League of Gentlemen video all along. Ha ha ha. John -- Obligatory self-promotion thing: http://website.lineone.net/~grangousier/home.html http://www.mp3.com/peacock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 22:09:54 EST From: Martygbe at aol dot com Subject: Re: song title/performers on Tony's Road Movies Can someone tell me what song is featured on Deja Vroom, Tony's Road Movies, Rehearsal (Part Two). Thank You, Marty Gardner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 19:45:20 -0800 From: "Brian Pearson" Subject: Ian MacDonald/Matthews Re Mr. Stansberry's comments in ET # 807: I have not heard the version of ITTTW with Judy Dyble on vocals, but I am reasonably certain that the Ian MacDonald (later Matthews) from Fairport never played any wind instruments. He was an excellent singer, remained with Fairport through their highly successful "Liege and Lief" album, then left to form Matthews Southern Comfort. Over the years he has recorded sporadic solo albums, including a couple on Windham Hill in the late 1980's. Another musician not to be confused with the KC/ MacDonald & Giles/ Foreigner alumnus is IAIN MacDonald, formerly of the great Battlefield Band. He specializes in Scottish traditional music on bagpipes, pennywhistle, flute, etc. and appears in a supporting role on many different Celtic artists' albums. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #808 ********************************