Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #807 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 807 Tuesday, 27 February 2001 Today's Topics: Earthbound & USA hammond song Female Vocals On I Talk To The Wind Re: RF on "obscure British folksinger's LP" ITTTW Info - Ian MacDonald vs Ian McDonald Re: ITTTW Info Trivia Top Ten Prog Rock on TV Re: Rik Ocasek ?! Hey Ian Wallace A TOOL/KC tour is not that impossible... Top 10 Prog Rock Bands Another clue on trivia question Hammill Lyrics online... David Sylvian interview Re: Trivia question KCCC 14 BRUFORD MASTER CLASS IN BARCELONA Adrian Belew Out Of Print CD on e-Bay. Og in Edinburgh ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:57:59 -0500 From: "pierre guertin" Subject: Earthbound & USA Here's a new elephant-talker for you guys. I can see now that Earthbound has been revoved from the Scheduled Releases on the KC Releases ET web page. Hope et comes back soon. I mean, the reputation of this live LP is bad, but it can't be worst than some of the Collector's Club stuff we've been getting, or even the Epitaph CD's. I've never heard it, so I would like to make up my own mind about it. A double CD with the original USA is a good idear but it does not have to be so. Perhaps a "King Crimson Collectors Edition No.3" is in order. Anyway, let it come out! Enough with the delays already! Idem with USA. Someone wrote that all the cuts on it have already come out elswhere. I can't see that. "Schizoid Man" is from the Providence show and, yes, it is in the Great Deceiver box. The other cuts are from the Asbury Park show and the only cut from that show that's out on CD that was on the original USA LP is the "Asbury Park" improv. It's on the 4th CD in the Frame By Frame box. That's it. The rest is nowhere to be heard. I remember listening to the USA LP often on my parent's old hi-fi and really enjoying it a lot. It's a shame it did not come out on the first edition of CD's in the late 80's with the rest of the KC LP's because now there would not be any discussion as to what should be done about the USA album, re.: should it come out the same as it was on LP or as the whole integral Asbury Park show. It would come out as the whole show now and collectors could have both versions if they wanted to. I've seen in a used CDs shop a CD version of USA with bonus cuts but I did not buy it as I buy only official stuff (but if everybody did that, there would be no Collectors' Club CDs out today to balance the bootleg market ---- there's a Cath-22 in there somewhere). Anyway, I say, let USA come out in it's integral Asbury Park show version on 2 CDs because if we nostalgia buffs want to hear the original USA album as it was on the LP, we can. All we've got to do is programme our CD players (one that plays at least 3 CDs and is programmable) to play the cuts from the integral show Cd in the order they were placed on the LP except the last 2: the CD player can be programmed to play then the original edited version of the "Asbury Park" improv (as it was on the LP) from the 6th cut of the 4th CD of the Frame By Frame box and then the Providence version of "Schizoid Man" from the 1st cut of the 2nd CD of the Great Deceiver box. And/or one can also burn his own mix of cuts as they were on the LP. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:08:47 -0600 From: "jfournet" Subject: hammond song Recently I discovered a band called "The Roaches", a band conceived in the late 70's. One song they did was called "Hammond Song", on which Robert Fripp played a guitar solo. Upon further research I learned this band was from my home town of Hammond, LA. My questions are, what role did Fripp have in this band besides his guest solo, what happened to these women, and is it true that they are from Louisiana. Much thanx for any info. Tell Fripp to include the N.O. House of Blues again on his next tour. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 16:06:34 GMT From: Les Labbauf Subject: Female Vocals On I Talk To The Wind ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:07:26 From: "Michel Champagne" Subject: Re: RF on "obscure British folksinger's LP" That would be Colin Scot (full name Colin Scot Thistlewaite), whose 1971 United Artists LP was issued in the states on a budget label called "Import Records" back in the mid-70's, along with such gems as the "Mainhorse" LP (w/Patrick Mroaz), the "Tomorrow" LP (w/Steve Howe), et. al. I always wondered who the hell CS was, however, because the album is full of luminaries such as "Bob Fripp (Herbalist!)", Brinsley Schwartz, Martin Hall, Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammill, Jon Anderson, Rick Wakeman, Phil Collins, Dave Jaxon (Jackson), is produced by John Anthony (who produced all of the VdGG output from 69-71, as well as "Trespass" and "Nursery Cryme" for Genesis), and features cover art by Paul Whitehead who did the artwork for those same LPs & more. Furthermore, the credit for bass guitar is a riddle, he signs his name "Scot" with a flourish that suggests a fish, and the face on the cover looks very much like Chris Squire. (Chris Squire ==> C S ==> Colin Scot?) The music is folksy all right, vocally reminiscent of Dave Cousins (of the Strawbs) but otherwise fairly pedestrian to my plebian ears. More of a curiosity than anythign else, to me at least. So, I assume I've solved your riddle, but I still have no idea who the guy really is. Care to enlighten? Regards, Mike Champagnne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:04:42 -0500 From: "Mark Stansbery" Subject: ITTTW Info - Ian MacDonald vs Ian McDonald I am aware that the Ian MacDonald (later to be Ian Matthews) who was a member of Fairport Convention with Judy Dyble is not the Ian McDonald that was a member of King Crimson. I have always assumed, from what my ears tell me (the voice, the woodwinds), that the Ian McDonald on the alternate version of ITTTW was the Ian McDonald of Crimson fame. The post from Mr. Tea (ET #806) doesn't outright say, but it makes me wonder. Am I in error? Was it Judy's buddy from Fairport? Thanks, Mark Stansbery ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:25:35 -0700 From: "Proginoskes" Subject: Re: ITTTW Info Another interesting thing concerning the two versions of "I Talk To The Wind": One of the KC bootlegs I have (sorry, Robert) is an interpolation of the two: you get to hear the guitar part during the chorus (and playing against the flute at times), but Greg Lake is singing. It's the version on _In Support of Their Satanic Majesties_, I think. -- Christopher "HeKcman" checkman at math dot la dot asu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2070 08:10:21 +0200 From: "Gerard Boland" Subject: Trivia is the answer Toni Childs "The Womans Boat" Gerry Boland ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 12:58:32 +0000 From: Steve Day Subject: Top Ten Prog Rock on TV UK Channel 4 will be having a top 10 prog rock countdown next Saturday. Details from the Radio Times website (http://www.radiotimes.com/) follow: "Top Ten - Progressive Rock Channel 4 Saturday 03 March 22:00 to 23:30 Bill Bailey [an extremely funny British comedian] takes a look at the best of progressive rock, featuring some of the biggest rock legends of all time ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:25:25 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Hartley Subject: Re: Rik Ocasek ?! et at blackcat dot demon dot co dot uk (Elephant Talk) wrote: > From: "Martin Miron" > Subject: Adrian > > I'm getting worried about Adrian. He sounds great in the studio but after > listening to Heavy Construction, I think his natural voice sounds very thin > live, at least for being a front man. And he's getting too silly. Humor is > fine, but each new song is just sillier than the last. I think he was at his > best backing David Bowie a few years ago. Wow, I'll strongly disagree; I find Adrian to be just about perfect for KC's vocalist/frontman/lyricist. I think his vocals sound stronger than ever, and I don't see much humor in Cage or Frying Pan or the coda to LTiA4 or... well, you get the idea. That's OK, we can agree to disagree, but... > Somebody great in his spot would be Ric Ocasek. Think about it. ...this is just plain wrong. I just don't think he's talented enough at any aspect of his craft to be worthy of inclusion in KC. I had the misfortune to have seen the Cars twice back in the 70's and 80's, and they easily win my "Worst Live Act Ever" award. I've seen more life in Disney animatronic figures, and if I wanted to hear note-for-note renditions of the songs, I'll just put on the album. The thought of Ocasek in KC makes me shudder! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 13:28:45 -0500 From: Dan Buxbaum Subject: Hey Ian Wallace That was nice brushwork on Cadence And Cascade from the Summit Studios, 3-12-72 (K.C.C.C.#9)! The annswer to my trivia question is: Toni Childs: The Woman's Boat (1994, Geffen). -- "The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes." -- Marcel Proust ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 14:45:05 -0500 From: "Colin Beaumier" Subject: A TOOL/KC tour is not that impossible... Hi -- I was reading about the A Perfect Circle show in Pensacola FL, where someone(s) took(ed) pictures... I guess that Maynard James Keenan, the lead singer and also the Singer for Tool, performed the rest of the show with his back to the audience-- think what you will, I think that this is cool as it makes the music the central focus, colectively speaking, that is...! If you don't know too much about either TOOL or APC, please check out: www.aperfectcircle.com and www.toolband.com (don't be afraid....!) Also here is the post regarding the photography by a fan-- pretty similar to a reaction by Robert Fripp...I would love to see KC and TOOL perform, or improvise something together. :"i was at the quest too last august and i was taking pictures of maynard and billy and i stopped taking after maynard told us not to flash it anymore..and i agree i think i was just too excited to have thier pics in my collection but hey i am going to ROY WILKINS auditorium next month and u know what i wont carry any cameras cuz i do agree that annoys them... anyways" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:05:40 -0000 From: "Brian Champion" Subject: Top 10 Prog Rock Bands Probably not the first with this but Channel 4 (UK) is showing a Top 10 Prog Rock Bands documentary, next Saturday (3rd March 2001) evening. The trailer for this finishes with a picture of the Schizoid Man from ITCOTKC. IIRC I saw a request for any video footage in ET a couple of months ago for this venture, looks like it could be interesting. In the words of Nick Evans "Wah Hey!" Brian the Snail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:42:49 +0100 From: "Girard, Serge [JanBe Extern]" Subject: Another clue on trivia question Hello all ! In ET#806 Dan Buxbaum answered to Danny Anderson: "It's the Rimitti album which has the indian musicians on it...and Flea as well. Here's one for you. What obscure British folk singer does Bobby back up on a few tunes on acoustic guitar? If I remember right Peter Gabriel is on it as well." I like to suggest to stop this quiz and to give us the answers as soon as possible... Dan (Buxbaum) please no more clues but concrete names/titles etc. W'ere waiting too long now. Regards, Serge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:36:42 -0500 From: "Tim Roache" Subject: Hammill Lyrics online... A couple of issues ago I put the call out for the lyrics to Peter Hammill's "The Silent Corner & The Empty Stage". Several people responded, referring me to the Hammill-oriented website www.sofasound.com I post this to the ET audience at large because it makes for a great read. Even if you are unfamiliar with the music, Hammill's lyrics are worth exploring taken as pure poetry. Thanks to all the respondants. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:54:48 -0600 From: Patrick Logterman Subject: David Sylvian interview There will be a short interview with David Sylvian on The Onion web site as of Wednesday, February 28. http://www.theonion.com Enjoy, Pat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:16:24 -0500 From: "John Kuge" Subject: Re: Trivia question Dan Buxbaum wrote: >Well, Danny, I have to inform you that "the Rimitti album" was not the CD I >had in mind in answer to my earlier question. Having never heard that album >I don't know who's on it. But since you mention Peter Gabriel, here's >another (big) clue: Mr. Gabriel also appears on the CD (on one track only) >to which I am referring too. I hope that gives away the answer now! (Have >no idea as to your question about the "obscure British folk singer".) Well, I'm stumped on the Indian musicians question, but the "obscure British folk singer" one is easy (I'm surprised no one's answered this yet): it's the self-titled (only?) album by Colin Scot, circa 1970 or '71. I bought this album because of the amazing roster of guest musicians: Fripp, Jon Anderson, Rick Wakeman, Phil Collins, and Peter Gabriel(!) And no, there's nothing really "proggy" about it at all, but it's a pretty good record anyway, with a Cat Stevens/Donovan kind of vibe. No specific credits are given, but you can pick out Fripp's guitar stylings on several tracks (esp. the excellent "Here We Are in Progress."). Worth checking out, and I think it's even been released on CD.... --John Kuge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 17:29:28 -0500 From: "Louis Sormany" Subject: KCCC 14 What an interesting and surprising cd! As one ETer wrote it, it was the missing link between the 1969 incarnation and the concerts of 1972, where the group had progressed greatly (but not always for the best: "Groon, "Peoria" and "Earthbound" have never impressed me greatly). I was surprised by the quality of the sound, more than fair. It's very interesting to hear this version of "In the Court", comparable to those by the 1969 incarnation. When I saw KC in 1971 (in August in London at the Marquee and in Quebec in November), they didn't sing it and, untill I discovered the site "King Crimson Live", I didn't think that they had performed this song live. "Get that Bearings" reminds me the concert at the Marquee where the sound effects with drums were remarquable and very appreciated by the spectators. It's also interesting to hear the first and rough version of "Ladies of the Road", the flute on "Sailor's Tales" and the version of "The Lady of the Dancing Water" with sax instead of flute. And what an evolution between "Drop In" and "The Letters"! A great double cd. Louis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 23:54:24 CET From: fnt at eivissa dot vilaweb dot com Subject: BRUFORD MASTER CLASS IN BARCELONA BRUFORD CLINIC. BARCELONA February 23rd. (venue: Apollo) Bill has joined the Virtual Drummer School (www.virtualdrummerschool.com), and went to Barcelona to record some lessons and exercises avaliable in this school on the net. To help promote this, he did a clinic along with local drummer and head of the school, Salvador Niebla. Bill was happy, had fun, and the audience just loved him. He began talking about music itself, described what rhythm is, and went from simple to complex, speaking about how to create music with drums ("the most horrible instrument when played badly"). With a perfectly understandable vocabulary, he explained things clearly with short and simple sentences that reminded me the way Robert Fripp writes his diary. His approach to music was also very similar to Fripp's. Then the people asked him questions. He explained why has he decided to build such a strange drum kit. He said that the symmetric display allows him to play call and response figures from one side to the other of the drum set, being the center the hi-hat, snare and bass drum. He spoke about mental independence between hands and feet. He gave us sheets of paper with exercices written. He played those exercises while we read them. This helped us understand complexity of some of the patterns. A curious point was his descrption of the first meeting with Mastelotto. His words were very close to these: "I entered the room and this guy was introduced to me. He said 'Hi, I'm Pat, I'm gonna play with you', I said 'What instrument do YOU play?'. He said 'Drums'. I said 'Great, we can work on that'. I've been to several clinics by famous musicians. Never saw anything so enjoyable. We saw a wise and humble man who was willing to share his knowledge and experience. Ferran Nogues (Eivissa) Aquest missatge ha estat enviat des del servei de correu gratuit de VilaWeb. http://correu.vilaweb.com Aquest servei es public i, per tant, el contingut del missatge no te cap relacio editorial amb VilaWeb. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:20:30 -0300 From: "Gustavo Enriquez" Subject: Adrian Belew Out Of Print CD on e-Bay. Hi Eters: You can visit the next URL to see my current auction on e-Bay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1412770840 I can ship worldwide. Thank you. Gustavo Enriquez Buenos Aires - Argentina Contact pgm at house dot com dot ar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 09:46:07 -0000 From: "Martin Lennon" Subject: Og in Edinburgh Hi. I've been a long-time lurker for, well, a long time. This is my first post and, if no-one minds too much, It's going to be self-promotional. The Crimson link here is tenuous if it exists at all. I do apologise. I'm a member of a three-piece improvisational group in Scotland called Og. We've also been three - fourths of a Scottish music band for some years, so we have a history of playing together to draw upon. At the moment, we're putting together an album of improvs for sale on-line and at our debut gig in this format. The gig is in Edinburgh, at the Bongo Club (venue for, among others, the CGT and Mr McFalls Chamber) on March 14 at 8.00pm. If you're in town and come along, please introduce yourselves. We'd love to meet you. The line up includes keyboards, violin, piano, bass, guitar loops and Chapman Stick, though obviously not all at the same time. What do we sound like? Well, you can guess some influences, but there are others: much inspiration is taken from the many forms of light classical, jazz, minimalism - even folk music. We hope to be sharing the stage with Scottish guitarist and looper, David Allison, but that has still to be confirmed. More info, sound clips (mp3) and updates can be found at www.electricmotion.co.uk Just follow the link to Og. Thank you for your kind indulgence, and I'll be more on-topic next time Martin Lennon ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #807 ********************************