Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #804 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 804 Tuesday, 13 February 2001 Today's Topics: Crimson and related releases Separated at Birth 3 KC References in Rolling Stone Fripp "Owning" Crim Re: Liquid Tension Experiment & Bozzio Levin Stevens RE Hammill Gabriel Essential Hammill No-one knows answer to this easy trivia question? Gordian Knot Lyrics to Hammills "Silent Corner" anyone? Re: Trey Gunn Interview on KSER radio free Everett The KC breakup, Thela Hun Ginjeet, Drugs more KC related on ebay... King Crimson - Japan - Genesis Collector's Item The play about Crimheadishness returns New line up? League of Gentlemen New Bill Bruford disucussion list at yahoo groups Live At Plymouth 1971/Sinfield vs. Eno KCCC #14 Live At Plymouth Guildhall ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.shtml You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:52:00 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Crimson and related releases Hi, folks: Sorry to be late in getting news out. My wife and I have just brought home a brand new baby boy, William Wallace Davis, and that's made me a tad behind in a lot of things. As ususal you'll find the latest Artist Shop Newsletter in its entirety at . But here are some excerpts for Crimson fans. Available on our Manticore page Greg Lake/Greg Lake Greg Lake/Manouevres First time available on CD - Greg Lake's two solo albums initially released in the early 80's on the Chrysalis label and long sought after by fans! Greg was working closely with guitarist Gary Moore during this period and has always spoken highly of their collaboration. These albums have been remastered for this CD release. soundbite - soundbite - Emerson Lake and Palmer/Brain Salad Surgery ....DVD-Audio New DVD Audio version of Brain Salad Surgery Helps Launch Historic New Audio Format! Warner Music Group (WMG) becomes the first of the major music companies to offer albums in the DVD-Audio format. The new format, which features Advanced Resolution(TM), multi-channel audio that dramatically enhances the listening experience, is the most significant industry format launch since the introduction of the CD nearly twenty years ago. Among the first releases are ELP's classic, Brain Salad Surgery! All of the recordings have been remixed from the original masters to take advantage of the optimal surround and stereo sound quality. All albums released from WMG labels will offer consumers the flexibility of being able to be played in three ways: first, in Advanced Resolution surround sound; second, in Advanced Resolution stereo; and third, for those who own a DVD-Video player but have not yet upgraded to DVD-Audio, DVD-Video compatible DolbyA Digital surround. This last feature will enable the discs to be played in the nearly 10 million DVD-Video players already in U.S. homes. With a sampling rate and bit depth that at least doubles the resolution for the current CD standard, DVD-Audio discs deliver sound quality that is significantly closer to the master recording than is possible with CDs. Beyond this enhanced listening experience, DVD-Audio discs offer many other unique features to increase the enjoyment of this new format: in addition to brief DVD-Video quality music videos and artist commentary, when played on new DVD-Audio players, ``visual menus'' with remote navigation may also offer access to ``photo gallery'' still pictures, artist bios, discography and credits or song lyrics viewable during Advanced Resolution playback. Coming soon from 3rd Stone No-Man/Returning Jesus No-Man (the duo of Tim Bowness and Steven Wilson) have finally completed their long-awaited new album "Returning Jesus." The album, the band's first since 1996's 'Wild Opera', is No-Man's most ambitious and timeless to date, featuring a more organic band sound than heard on previous releases. Uniquely and effortlessly combining disparate influences from chamber jazz and classical musics (Miles Davis/Steve Reich) to experimental pop (Eno/Talk Talk/Pink Floyd) with a singer-songwriter intimacy and intensity, 'Returning Jesus' ranks as the finest achievement in the band's decade long career. Guest performers include Steve Jansen (Rain Tree Crow/Japan) on drums and Procupine Tree's Colin Edwin on bass/double bass for most tracks, in addition are trumpeters Ian Carr (Nucleus) and Ian Dixon, saxophonist Theo Travis, additional production from David Kosten (Faultline) and guitar contributions from acclaimed singer-songwriter Ben Christophers. The full tracklisting for "Returning Jesus" is: "Only Rain", "No Defence", "Close Your Eyes", "Carolina Skeletons", "Outside The Machine", "Returning Jesus", "Slow It All Down", "Lighthouse" and "All That You Are." soundbite - Recently released from Voiceprint Keith and Julie Tippets/Couple in Spirit 2 Keith and Julie Tippets, are the first couple of improvised music. Prior to her marriage to Keith, Julie was a well known performer in her own right. As Julie Driscol she performed with many top artists including Brian Auger. Couple in Spirit is recorded live and captures the whole unique interplay which transcends the the written musical page. Their ethereal bond works not just as husband and wife, but also as they become one to create the most harmonious music. This is an excellent follow up to the very popular Couple In Spirit on the EG label. This recording has been specially mastered for CD with artwork by Inca Tippet the talented daughter of this husband and wife team. Both Julie and Keith tour extensively which keeps their profile high, and Julie is also involved in the Soupsongs tour which is the Robert Wyatt project. soundbite - Keith Tippett/Friday the 13th Anybody who knows anything about the UK Jazz scene will have heard of the uniquely talented Mr. Tippett. However Keith's talents haven't just been hidden in the tight knit community of the jazz scene. He has crossed over into the rock arena by working extensively with King Crimson, during what has been described arguably as their finest hour. Friday the 13th captures Keith at his best at the height of his most recent Japanese tour. A breathtaking performance by one of Britains finest musicians! This recording has been specially mastered for CD and it is the first time it has been issued outside Japan. The album comes complete with deluxe sleeve artwork which is both interesting and striking. A must for all Keith Tippet's fans and for those who enjoy interesting and stunning music. soundbite - Future releases from Voiceprint and associated labels (pre-order now) John Wetton/Live at the Sun Plaza Tokyo 1999 John Wetton is a legendary performer with the kudos of having been part of King Crimson, U.K. Roxy Music and the supergroup Asia. John has performed at the Sun Plaza in Tokyo over a career spanning 20 odd years and describes the venue as having witnessed his favourite musical periods. Ironically he performed there with Asia in 1989 and now 10 years later he has returned as a solo artist. The performance on this recording is therefore very special to John who found the audience fabulously warm and enduring. The line up for the concert consisted of Steve Christey, Dave Kilminster and Martin Orford, described by John as his favourite musicians. A memorable and stunning performance which is a must for Asia and King Crimson fans alike. John Wetton is also continuously touring to sell-out concerts. On our forthcoming imports page : ASIA-HISTORY OF ASIA + 2 (2CD) Japanese version of their forthcoming retrospective package is set to include two bonus tracks as well as having an exclusive sleeve for the Japanese market. 24 tracks in all are scheduled to appear. BRUFORD,BILL-SOUND OF SURPRISE + 1 Japanese edition of 2001 album for the renowned progressive rock drummer, founding member of Yes who later joined King Crimson. According to the artist's site this release will include one bonus track possibly on an enhanced CD with live footage and earlier release. KING CRIMSON-COLLECTOR'S KING CRIMSON VOL.4 (3CD)J Japanese exclusive release. Three disc set recorded live in Central Park, NYC in 1974, at Miles Club, Bath in 1981 and Nashville rehearsals in 1997. Limited edition for first pressing only. WETTON,JOHN-SINISTER 2001 release for the Asia, U.K. vocalist. And now let's get to information on the latest releases to be found at : WETTON,JOHN-WELCOME TO HEAVEN + 2 Japanese edition of 2000 solo release for the former UK and Asia vocalist. Release dates for the rest of the world have yet to be announced. Includes two bonus tracks, 'Love Is' and 'Space And Time'. And on our Discipline page you'll find tour dates for the Trey Gunn Band and the California Guitar Trio (featuring Tony Levin and Pat Matellotto). Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:31:04 -0500 From: "ChrisVan Valen" Subject: Separated at Birth Hi EYMs (& Ws) Separated at Birth: Beloved British funnyman Reg Varney and Spiky Venal British not-so-funnyman Robert Fripp, Also checkout the guy in the new Blockbuster Video commercial hawking video games. A dead ringer for Mastelotto. bye for now, cv If you know you have an unpleasant nature, and dislike people this is no obstacle to work - J.G. Bennett And it's potato, potato, potato. - Mike Keneally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:43:11 EST From: ASchulberg at aol dot com Subject: 3 KC References in Rolling Stone In the latest issue of Rolling Stone I found three KC-related references in the "Recordings" reviews. First, in reviewing Tool's "Salival," a two-cd and DVD package, the review concludes, "But with its serious fetishism and King Crimson affinities, Tool is a band of control freaks, and mystery is the biggest, baddest, card in its hand." Then, in reviewing David Sylvian's "Everything and Nothing," the review notes that the album contains "previously unheard tracks, enlightened moments from collaborations with Robert Fripp, Ryuichi Sakomoto and Bill Frisell, among others,...." Finally, in reviewing an album for its Hall of Fame, in this case Todd Rundgren's "Something/Anything?" in discussing how Rundgren's success led his audience to expect lite pop, the review adds, "The schism spooked the would-be superstar, who dropped acid, out-glammed Bowie, embraced spirituality, and fronted a band of prog-rock freaks capable of sending King Crimson back to music school." Seems like KC is a useful yardstick for the Rolling Stone reviewers. Just too bad they don't see fit to notice the actual KC's output. Arnie Schulberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:01:02 -0500 From: Joseph Shelby Subject: Fripp "Owning" Crim > I assume Greg > probably thinks the first KC was the only true KC and that Fripp does not > have the right to release recordings without their specific consent; Fripp > is, in essence, bootlegging his own band. Well, first off, there's been no official confirmation that its Lake blocking the KCCC 12 release. The little "hint" on GregLake.com says, effectively, absolutely nothing pro or con on this. Second, if I recall reading Fripp's writings correctly, when the 69 Crim broke up, each member basically left the "name" to the remaing members. Eventually, the remaining members were just Fripp and Sinfield. Then Peter left. Fripp has sinced remained in charge (as best he could given E.G., and later Virgin & BMG's "ownership" of the back catalogue). Yes, I gather that Fripp would prefer (and adheres to, or else KCCC12 would already be out) the full support of the lineups of the time before making a release, but he doesn't as far as I can tell have any legal obligation to wait. The tapes are "his" legally (in as far as "legal" has any meaning concerning bootlegs). It is only his respect for the rights of artists as a whole, i.e. his personal integrity, that drives him to listen when a former member has a problem. If he agrees, or at least acknowledges the problem (as in the case of KCCC12), then so be it. If he disagrees (as in the case of Haskell's royalties on Lizard), then so be it. But he acts on those principles. I wouldn't take the "P & C Fripp" bit on the new remasters too much like "I'm keeping all the money". I seriously doubt it. He's set the copyrights to reflect the fact that other members have left him in charge of the back catalogue. Its easier for the legalities of it for him to manage the copyrights than it is to try to form some legal entity (e.g., "Pink Floyd 1987") to manage copyrights for a group that doesn't exist or for ex-members that bicker. As he's stated time and time again, "a group shares the money" -- the copyrights may be in his name, but I'd place all my confidence that the royalties are still divided equally among the group as they always were under E.G. and Virgin copyrights. In short: the former band members trust Fripp to maintain his integrity and his respect for them and what they achieved during their time with Crim. We would be wise to do the same. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 13:03:36 -0600 From: "Steve Marshall" Subject: Re: Liquid Tension Experiment & Bozzio Levin Stevens Hi Everyone, Ezequiel Guerrero & Tim Roache inquired about these CDs by these two groups. There are reviews for both online at The Night Owl. Check 'em out if you can.. Steve Steve Marshall Editor - The Night Owl editor at thenightowl dot com The best place on the web for music reviews Member - National Music Critics Association Check out Night Owl Radio v4.0 - Now online! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 13:07:04 -0600 From: Alexander Domrin Subject: RE Hammill Gabriel And don't forget about Hammill opening for Genesis in 1974, including their famous show at Montreal Forum on 21.04.1974 with Gabriel introducing PH. (Both Genesis and Hammill performances are available.) And Gabriel's WOMAD Shepton Mallett concerts on 16.07.1982 and 18.07.1982 - with Peter Hammill, Stuart Copeland & Larry Fast. (Both shows are available too.) Best, AD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 23:47:18 +0000 From: Mr Tea Subject: Essential Hammill This from Elephant Talk #803 > -good starting points for Hammill cd's : everything by VDGG (Fripp plays > some guitar on 'H to He' and 'Pawn Hearts), Fool's Mate (also with some > Fripp), Over, Enter K , X My Heart, This, and everything from the 70's. > Your wallet will not like you:) Now, come on Jan! You have to give the folks a bit more help here... As a general rule, you can make a decision about where to get started with Peter Hammill and Van der Graaf Generator by identfying the period of Fripp's recording career that gives you the greatest satisfaction. Those who think King Crimson peaked with 'In the Wake of Poseidon' (and have a soft spot for early Genesis) should plump for Van Der Graaf's Pawn Hearts, and not trouble themselves with any of Hammil's solo work later than 1973. If the Fripp/Wetton/Bruford lineup presses your buttons, you will be more at home with Van Der Graaf 's 'Still Life' (1976) and the two solo albums that bookend Hammill's 'golden period' - 1974's magnificent 'The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage' and 1980's sombre 'A Black Box'. If you think that Fripp produced his most interesting work during the interregnum years between 'Red'/'USA' and 'Discipline', then you should seek out Hammill's two punchiest solo works - 'Nadir's Big Chance' and 'The Future Now'. Van der Graaf's final album, 'World Record' nudges into the arid territory occupied by KC's Red, Blue & Yellow trilogy, but Hammill's solo canon is too emotionally charged to recommend here. Finally, for those readers who think that all the above was just a prelude to the glorious musical vision unleashed upon the world with 'THRAKK', 'the construKction of light' and associated projects - check out Hammill's post 1984 solo output, when he settled comfortably into rehashing tired and familiar themes for a dwindling fanbase. Happy Trails Mr Tea -- Brew of the day: Darjeeling ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 20:38:59 -0500 From: Dan Buxbaum Subject: No-one knows answer to this easy trivia question? Back in E-T 799, I asked the following trivia question: Getting back a bit to 'Shakti' and the discussion of Indian music from a few E-T's ago, here's a trivia question: Which CD features Robert Fripp on guitar (& Frippertronics) along with Indian musicians Ustad Sultan Khan on sarangi, Pandit Dinesh on tabla & Nitya Mohan on tamboura all performing on the same song(s)? Big Easy Clue: Trey Gunn also plays Stick on this album on the same tracks. Here's a new big clue: this CD would never be classified as Indian Classical music by any stretch of the imagination. -- "Existence is beyond the power of words. To define terms may be used, but none of them are absolute." -- Lau Tzu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 23:59:32 EST From: Roosterbrawl at aol dot com Subject: Gordian Knot Hey Crimson Fanatics, Just wanted to let ya'll know about this new project featuring John Myung (6-string bassist of Dream Theater), Sean Malone (former-bassist of now-defunct band Cynic, who put out one sick album back in the early 90's called "Focus"), and some cat named Trey Gunn (who's he?). I heard some of it on mp3. Century Media carries the album but I'm not sure if that's the label. Be warned -- there's some christian rock group of the same name. I hope Les does some more Crimson covers at the upcomming frog brigade show! Anyone here going to see them? One more thing i wanted to know, is the Residents a group that any KC fans are into? Probably the most bizarre band out there (and after 30 years, their identies remain unknown). They're going on tour starting next week. I bought some expensive tix to their show, and i have a very superficial exposure to them, but supposedly their music videos are wild (which will projected in sync with the live performance). And, since LTE and BLS have been brought up, if find both pretty insane. The first is more composition oriented, with a bit too many notes and some guitar-keybaord only songs that make me gag (Petrucci himself called them would-be soundtracks to Disney movies) while the latter is more improv-based (not situation dangerous too much, though) and Bozzio just tears his shit up thoughout. Of course TLev is red hot on all these releases. Cheers, Ben Gersh p.s. Tool and KC?! That would be the best! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:33:49 -0500 From: "Tim Roache" Subject: Lyrics to Hammills "Silent Corner" anyone? If anyone has the lyrics to Peter Hammill's "The Silent Corner & The Empty Stage", could you please e-mail them to me at troache at stratosphere-nyc dot com or fax them to 212-702-8871? Unfortunately, Caroline Records has not seen fit to include them with the CD, and on some of the songs the vocals are so low in the mix I'm having a hard time picking up all the words... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2001 09:43:29 -0500 From: "Caruso, Josette" Subject: Re: Trey Gunn Interview on KSER radio free Everett I understand he was late for the interview? Bad kitty! xoxoxox.........Josette ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2001 19:10:29 From: "Martin Warin" Subject: The KC breakup, Thela Hun Ginjeet, Drugs Salvete! *When KC broke up in -84 (it WAS in 84, right? Don't kill me if I'm wrong), was it something that had been planned? Or did they start fighting or anything? *And what (if anything) does the lyrics to Thela Hun Ginjeet mean? Sounds like complete gibberish to me... *The first time I played KC to a friend of mine, his first reaction was: "Wow, they must have done LOADS of drugs!". (I think it was Happy Family or something he heard). What should I tell him? -Martin Warin M_Warin at hotmail dot com *Komencento de E., kaj mi amas g^in!* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 10:56:22 -0500 From: "Colin Beaumier" Subject: more KC related on ebay... Hey I have some more KC stuff to promote on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1408765820 Tony Levin's Road Photos book (oop) and others related to that link-- some Ouspensky (The Fourth Way) Gurdjieff related- READABLE! and others-- Joseph Campbell! Please feel free to look and thanks! Colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 21:42:49 -0600 From: "Alexander Domrin" Subject: King Crimson - Japan - Genesis Collector's Item I am willing to part with one item of my King Crimson- Japan-Genesis-related collection. Magazine - Trouser Press, No.71, March 1982. 60 pages. A whole-page rare colour photo of Genesis on the cover. Among other materials, the magazine contains: flexi disc of Japan / Life Without Buildings (David Sylvian) 6:15 [b-side of The Art of Parties 7" and 12" singles - May, 1981]; King Crimson Hits the Road by David Fricke (p.22-25, with photos); The Genesis Autobiography by Jon Young (p.16-21, with photos); U2 - Pluck of the Irish by Jim Green (p.26-29, with photos); Joy Division & New Order - Death Will Keep Us Together by Steve Grant (p.30-33, with photos); reviews of gigs of Laurie Anderson, Van Morrison, Pere Ubu; reviews of various CDs and books; ad of Gallo's Genesis - I Know What I Like book; All photos are black n' white. Mint condition. Send me a private message, if interested. Regards, Alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 00:38:57 -0500 From: "Tom X. Chao" Subject: The play about Crimheadishness returns Hey Crimhead guys and gals! (Oh yeah, there are no Crimhead gals!) Tired of sleeping in a chair in your sad America? Bored with conversing with the magazine stand and getting a good reply? Come see "Can't Get Started," a play about the basement dweller lifestyle and you may say "I LIKE IT!" Thrill to a Fripp air-guitar impression! See a red "Discipline" T-shirt worn on stage! Yes, it's the world's only off-off-Broadway play about being a Crimhead! "A running joke about his obsession with an obscure '60s group called King Crimson is actually quite funny."--Theatermania.com 2xTXC - 2 plays by Tom X. Chao "Can't Get Started"--Feb. 3, 17, and March 3, featuring Eve Kerrigan. "The Negative Energy Field"--Feb. 10, 24, featuring Masha Sapron. Saturdays at 10:30 PM St. Marks Theater, 94 St. Marks Place (between 1st Ave & Ave A), downstairs $15, $12 students/seniors | Reservations: 212-539-7686 Come to the box office and say "I bootleg Crimson shows, take flash photos, and ask Robert Fripp for his autograph" and receive NO discount! Tom X. Chao http://home.dti.net/txc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:23:58 -0500 From: Alain Proulx Subject: New line up? Yesterday I was listening the Sylvian-Fripp live album DAMAGE. It it so intense to hear Fripp playing his guitar as a violin over the Sylvian's keyboard slow chords. What a stunt it would be to hear Sylvian in Crimson. However, I wouldn't eject Belew. Belew became over the years a strong character in the Crimson saga. But, Crimson would enlarge widely its palette of textures in adding Sylvian's approach on keyboard and his voice which contrasts with Belew. Crimson would be able to generate songs that could not be till now. The present line up made its way on tour and gave great concerts but to be honest it became more a matter of circumstances than a choice. Bruford and Levin had other projeKcts so, we had to make it as a foursome. I would keep this line up but only with Sylvian and we would have a very different recipe. We know how hard they can rock, but they could be geniously soft too, and anywhere between, there would be so many zones to explore. So, let's dream..... Al. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 12:14:58 -0000 From: "Lars Fahlin" Subject: League of Gentlemen Hi, The other week, I decided to make a MiniDisc copy of my League of Gentlemen LP (EGED 9, Editions EG,1981), to avoid unnecessary, future wear & tear of the grooves. I hadn't listened to the LP for quite some time and, unfortunately, as it turned out, I was too late - there were far more audible scratches and clicks than I could remember, or even anticipate. As far as I understand, the album was also released on cassette, and I would be much obliged if somebody who owns a copy of this cassette could possibly make me a copy, which I then could transfer on to MD. Please email me privately. Thank you. PS. Just to clarify, I am referring to the original League of Gentlemen release, not the semi-re-release, Robert Fripp / The League of Gentlemen: God Save the King, which only contains seven of the original tracks. Cheers, Lars ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 19:54:52 -0500 From: Ian Naismith Subject: New Bill Bruford disucussion list at yahoo groups Hi all, FYI....There is a new Bill Bruford discussion list at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/billbruford which will showcase all that is Bruford going forward. Get in on the "ground floor" of this group and mold the topics in the direction of your choice. Regards, Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:24:02 -0500 From: "John Spokus" Subject: Live At Plymouth 1971/Sinfield vs. Eno I just got the new Collector's Club release in today's mail (2/10) and I am pleased. This release did surpass my expectations for the most part. I have the bootleg of this show and it doesn't sound very good and I was expecting this release to be much more of the same. I really like the way they did use parts of the audience recording to give the soundboard tape some room ambience (what they always lack). The only downer is the beginning of 'Get Thy Bearings',which is from the bootleg. When the soundboard tape suddenly kicks in in mid-song I almost jumped out of my seat;it's a very startling/unsettling transition. I see why they got fed up with Sinfield and the VCS3, like Ian Wallace talks about in the CD booklet. His use of it is just needless and excessive. I guess it was time for him to go. But here's a thought to ponder; what Sinfield was doing was similar to Brian Eno's "treatments" with Roxy Music. Of course Peter produced Roxy's debut; did he cop this from Eno, only in a less creaive (annoying)version ? Did Sinfield invent "treatments" and Eno just perfected the technique ? I'd like to know what everybody thinks. Getting back to Plymouth,I am most impressed with Boz Burrell's bass playing at this early of a stage. According to Wallace, he was only playing the instrument for eleven weeks prior to this show. Pretty good, and it's not simple three chord Bad Company music either. John Spokus Baltimore, MD USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:17:20 -0000 From: "Danny Anderson" Subject: KCCC #14 Live At Plymouth Guildhall Just received KCCC #14. First UK gig and before recording Islands. This was a band working on an identity which descended from the 1969 band and yet, was definitely their band. The recording is taken from a sound board and audience tape and comes out just fine. Better than the Moles Club 1981 release. It is interesting how the tunes eventually worked themselves out. Sailor's Tale, you can tell, is unfinished yet compelling. Ladies Of The Road sounds like a cross of The Beatles Come Together and Cat Food. Delicate moments are the Letter and especially how Ladies Of The Dancing Water segues into Cadence And Cascade. My main gripe with it is the same as Ian Wallace's. Pete Sinfield should not have fiddled with Mel's sax and Boz's vocals so much. Interference rather than enhancement. Oh well. At least we have this to complain about. Here's the added kicker. Boz CAN actually sing. I don't know is his voice or willingness burned out later on with this band but he sings strongly and delicately, depending on the piece they do. Amazing. Anyone who has only Islands NEEDS this set for comparison between this KC in the studio and out in open air. A must for KC enthusiasts. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #804 ********************************