Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #775 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 775 Wednesday, 29 November 2000 Today's Topics: Levin's set list Re: TE 774 - Alain Proulx. Christmascapes? Larks V/Hartford, Boston/ King Crimson - Semper Amore Non Consummatus Heavy ConstruKction Video Woes on Macs - Redux Some ProjeKction Crimsecurity Re: Paragong (ET#733) Boston 11/20 Night 1 Heavy ConstruKction Re; Quincy B. Toyah & Fripp/6 degrees running Heavy ConstruKction video on a Mac on Ebay bootlegs hearing voices slipping on by Best Belew era KC Live recordings Toronto gig (24/11) and Niester's review King Crimson in Saint Petersburg ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:23:48 -0500 From: "rs" Subject: Levin's set list I do not recognize all of the songs played, http://www.primeticket.net/shows/tonylevin/ can someone post the song list for this performance? Also can a Real Player file be saved on my hard drive or do I always have to stream it in? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 20:29:55 -0500 From: "Richard Warner" Subject: Re: TE 774 - Alain Proulx. I promised myself that I wouldn't do this but I think it is time to take Mr. Fripp to task. I've been an ET subscriber for just a few weeks, but a Crimson/Fripp fan since 1969. Over these past few weeks I've read all my ET's and there is so much being posted regarding the current tour, and it is telling. Post after post relates the sad stories of Mr. Fripp's petulant, little temper tantrums because of some disturbance in the audience. Mr. Proulx's post nailed it RIGHT ON THE HEAD, Mr. Fripp is indeed being rude to a house full of people who've attentively and admiringly listended, and who HAVE NOT transgressed any actual or perceived 'boundaries', by stomping out like Rumpelstiltskin becuse of one idiot. I agree with him and Mr. Proulx that flash photography is disruptive, even dangerous to a performer. Simple - try to watch your fingers or change settings on a effects device with a huge ball of light blotting out your vision - THINK PEOPLE! But Fripp's way of handling these situations is childish AT BEST. Over the years Mr. Fripp has gone from being a dazzlingly bright, eloquent and open-minded artist of impeccable integrity to a dogmatic, eccentric (read, self-absorbed), and UTTERLY joyless curmudgeon whom I believe would be best suited to staying OUT of public life COMPLETELY. The only emotional tenor that seems to arise out his public statements is that of vitriolic condescension and contempt. Even the recent music (TCOL) reflects the 'rigor mortis' of a mental attitude that was once one of exploration into the darknesses of the unknown. Ever since his adoption of Gurdjieff's and Bennett's philosophies, he has surrendered the brilliance, fearlessness and the DARING to admit the real 'unknowing' of the mysteries of existence, to the 'sureness' of a formidably profound, yet intellectually dogmatic view that has little tolerance for the simple foibles of human beings, that is - it lacks compassion. Fripp's misanthropy finds justification there and it is rather sad and disappointing, and at times, it can be monstrously hateful. For a man who constantly speaks of 'redemption' and 'grace' there is precious little of it in the music he has recently offered the 'world', ignoring the delicacy, taste and refinement that he is so completely capable of, (viz his work with Sylvian) in favour of the angry and demonic hammering that is claustrophobically lacking even a single breath. TCOL is the aural equivalent of the armoured spasm and breath holding of an extreme fit of anger or hatred, the hallmarks of a mind that has completely caved into itself and its childish inability to accept personal disappointment. Perhaps I am a bit dim, but I find the light very hard to see amidst all the apocalyptic construKction. Mr. Fripp no longer deserves the personal respect and admiration that his admirers have been giving him of late, and of the support of his more professional and healthily grounded band mates. He is resembling Roger Waters more and more, and that is frightening. I think he would be well served to disband Crimson and take himself into retreat for several years to uncover and release the extreme, deep rage that is eating him and his music up. And it would be welcome to see this brilliant, but now deeply disturbed mind, BACK in the actual service of Grace, to see him happy again. Perhaps, even, for the first time. Richard Warner - Toronto. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:21:47 -0500 From: Sylvan Subject: Christmascapes? Saw this in the Sunday NY Times about Fripp's soundscape concerts this week: <<- ARTIFICIAL SNOW, BUT A REAL SPECTACLE The "2000 Festival of Light and Sound" series of art and music performances at the World Financial Center will kick off holiday festivities tomorrow with the Winter Garden lighting ceremony. One hundred thousand lights will be strung among the 50-foot palm trees (like the ones pictured below) and around the vaulted glass atrium. The Public School 234 chorus and a dance troupe from P.S. 89 will appear with Santa, Mrs. Claus and their elves, and an indoor snowfall will dust the corridors. Robert Fripp, a founding member of King Crimson, will perform on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 12:15 p.m. and 6:30 p.m. He improvises what he calls "atmospheric soundscapes." ->> Oh, and thanks to all who responded to my Funky Jam question. I feel so enlightened. -- Sylvan "The hamster is still dead." --Leonard Nimoy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 23:17:12 -0500 From: Jon Woodworth Subject: Larks V/Hartford, Boston/ Hey everyone, First off, I was was at Hartford and Boston (both nights) and all I can say is 'Wow'. Hartford blew me away (my first KC show). And then Boston made Hartford look like a sound check (especially the first night). Pat and Trey are the best things to happen to KC since...well...Bill and Tony. I'd like to see this band tour again. I don't have much else to add to the reviews already posted, so I won't. Anyway, I have a couple of questions (forgive me if they've already been answered and beaten to death). 1) What happened to the 'Larks V' that Fripp mentioned in the tourbook? Did it become 'FracKtured', or was it scrapped? 2) Could someone please send me setlists from the Hartford and Boston shows (or tell me where I could find them). Thanks, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:41:48 +1100 From: "dwane byrne" Subject: King Crimson - Semper Amore Non Consummatus Folks, I've just been lucky enough to receive the new Pony Canyon King Crimson Collectors Club boxed sect volume V. I had to sell the kids, but this is the price that a true fan pays. CD 1 contains the remastered, the rejuvenated, the remarkable, "The Lost Bondi Tapes." Legendary is the only word that can be used to describe these recordings. Once thought purely an hallucinating sound engineer's delusional rantings/chat-up lines to an unimpressed groupie, they have resurfaced, and they bare witness to the Gotterdammerung years of rock, the mid 70s, when the words 'excess' and 'overkill' no longer had any meanings. Recorded at the infamous Bondi Lifesavers' ('the Wifeswapper') Club, now a mall and carpark, they are clearly the recording of a band in its death throes. 'Red' fumes in its aggro, segues into 'Fracture' before bouncing into a thunderous 'Easy Money.' At the end of this, an audient can be heard calling out for 'She's Got Balls,' as a chant of 'Akka Dakka' goes up. It seems that some thought that AC/DC were performing tonight. Most don't seem to care, as the sound of pinball machines can be heard in the background. RF can be heard introducing the next song 'Shark's Tongue's got my Irony Bits (In various parts !!),' before launching into a brutal version of 'Great Deceiver' and hammering the already pretty hammered crowd with 'One More Red Stripe-mare.' At the conclusion, RF, the Parmenides of rock, can be heard remonstrating with two audients, "Excuse me, are we interrupting your vomiting?" A faint gargling response can be heard. Ah, the glory days. New duffle-coat, bum-fluff on the chin, thick glasses, and a thoroughly unworldly earnestness. I can remember it all as if it were yesterday. I was there. CD 2 is a different kettle of bananas. Ten years is a long time in popular culture, but they did return to our distant shores. The stock market is roaring, and so is the band, or more accurately, if on the first CD the band roared, here they growl, with more polyrhythmical, polytonal counterpoint than you can shake a Steely Dan at. The "Under a Sydney Sky" tapes are also legendary, not merely for the fact that accountants and solicitors waged bitter court duels over them as the fall-out of British rock management's (never plain sailing at the best of times) problematic encounters with U.S. pre-chaos theory, late-night news weather forecasting. (Apparently, some band managers still don't believe that they cannot, in fact, control the weather). The sorrow of absent lovers was unpronounceable, as it were. Recorded at the Tivoli Theatre, in the heart of Sydney's entertainment district, the tinkle of gin glasses breaks up the verbal duel of stock names and song titles. Ah, the Reagan Thatcher years, as RF introduces his new band, new songs and a new life on the road. A new audience, too, but with all the old attitudes. As the songs played become newer, 'Indiscipline,' 'Matte Kudesai,' 'Beat,' and 'Neal and Jack and me,' so the cries for old songs became louder. Only when the band launched into a medley of 'Red,' '21st. Century Schizoid Man,' and 'Easy Money,' then concluding with an incandescent 'Bar Sponge in the Mosh Pit (Departed)' did the drone of chat subside. It had to, they had no choice. The air bled, as the band, not having missed a beat since their last tour, tore up the rule book re: energy to air vibration rates factored into modern safe building design codes. At the end, RF can be heard remonstrating with two audients, "Excuse me, are we interrupting your share trading?" To which one replied, "Bob, can I sell you some insurance?" A blazer had replaced the duffle-coat, I could now shave, and the glasses were a little thicker. I was there. CD 3 sees the band fifteen years on, another album, another tour to the ends of the earth. Just imagine if the band had never toured this country. The tragedy of all those shattered dreams of earnest young men, with their duffle-coats, thick glasses, and faint attempts at beards. No choice but to go to Allan Holdsworth, Fred Frith, Peter Hammill, Merzbow, Joe Zawinul and James 'Blood' Ulmer gigs as a substitute. W**king instead of the hottest sex imaginable. What would they tell their children when they (not just the children) grew up! Compiled from a series of gigs at the Metro, this CD is a recording of the recent 'Digitalis In Extremis' tour. To die for, so to speak. Not an analogue sound-sourcing device to be seen anywhere. With enough computing power onstage to drive a porn web-site, it seems as if the earnest young men had finally taken over. This "The Deconstrukction of Latte" CD is already a Napster legend, as web-sites and chat-rooms sprang up like cyber-fungi after a digital rainstorm in which earnest middle-aged men could count the beats, and deconstruct the lyrics as critical, non-lineal, meta-discourse. A four-piece, but never foreplay, this CD highlights and develops the last studio release. As if the original 'Fracture' were a shy and retiring number, the new 'Frakcture' takes no prisoners, and 'Barking Fungi on my Toothpick (part v-1)" sees the Valkyries put their helmets on the mantelpiece, pour themselves a couple of really stiff gins and fill their online diaries with their ancient on-the-road reminiscences. What have they been putting in Pat Mastelotto's muesli? The shade of John Bonham can now rest easy. Another is come. At the end of the performance, RF can be heard remonstrating with two audients. "Excuse me, are we interrupting your logocentric post-gendered dialectical meta-critique?" To which one responds, "If you are the author of all of this, then you do not exist." This CD comes with bonus tracks. Unlike the P2P files currently blistering around the Internet, this disc comes is enhanced with video of RF's soundscapes at the Sydney Opera House, with the National Aboriginal Dance Company, as part of his Projekct XXXX performances. As the millenium turns, the ancient met the future. I was there. A calf-skin leather jacket has replaced the blazer and duffle-coat, eye surgery has reduced the glasses to a reasonable thickness, and grey now speckles the facial hair. King Crimson discs are Father's Day gifts from the children (or they were until just recently). Ah, King Crimson, Semper Amore Non Consummatus. Anyway, Toby, thank you for the Elephant Talk newsletter. I have been lurking for a few years now, enjoying the musings of others. Now its my turn. Please excuse the pig-Latin. Dwane Byrne. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:25:06 EST From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Heavy ConstruKction Video Woes on Macs - Redux Thanks to those who emailed me with their experiences on the Mac video problems. I've update the DGM Web help page at http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/kctv/hcvideo.shtml with the new tidbits of info provided, and improved some other info with more details. I would seem that those most afflicted at people with newer machines. These folks are unable to view the CD in its CD ROM format, not just unable to view the hidden folder the video file actually resides in. IMO this smacks of a backward compatibility problem that Apple support should be contacted about. Once again, were I a Mac user I would try to do that, but without a Mac I'd not get very far. Perhaps someone who is could inquire? Meanwhile, I'll try to get the folks at DGM, if they aren't already aware of the need, to try to make sure future releases are tested on more Macs for compatibility. Cheers, Dan DGM and ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:49:35 +0100 From: Gnad Markus Subject: Some ProjeKction Hi all, quick question on the Fab 4 ProjeKcts: Why did actually Adrian Belew only participate in one of the ProjeKcts, and there only on drums? In none of the ProjeKcts the Glimmer Twins of guitar world play together. Any reason? With Crimmy smile Markus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:50:42 +0100 From: "BIAS" Subject: Crimsecurity >After reading more of these Crimson Gig Reviews, especially the ones about >Robert Fripp walking off stage in anger from flash photographers taking >pictures. If Crimson specifically requested that no flash photography is >allowed, then why doesn't security confiscate the cameras before people >enter the venue? Doesn't security receive these orders? Well, I have attended 3 KC2000 shows, the first in Munich and then Gardone (fantastic!) and Milano; the difference basically I have noticed talking about security was that in Munich security was "efficient", I mean they try to search me (I kindly refused, but I had to open my jacket to their views), and asked my girlfreind to open her handbag for a "camera control" - just to take her some coke cans, grrr - so they were polite but inesorable, with cameras & recorders. And cokes. In Italy, I have seen lots of printed requests, with writings such as "It is strictly forbidden to take pictures", "No flashes", that's all... There was also a speaker announcing in italian (on behalf of the group) please not to take pictures. Security people did not ask for anything, nor they try to search for fishes. I think the point is (as I presume they received the same orders from our heroes): were the two different security services forced to work and act accordingly to the two different laws? (In Germany probably you actually can work as a real private police, in some situations I mean, in Italy not?) Bye antonio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:12:15 +0000 From: Nick Loebner Subject: Re: Paragong (ET#733) Paul Schultz asked about this:- > Also, regarding the Bruford/Gong connection, I think that period was when > Gong was going by the name Paragong. A two song live Paragong CD does not > have Bruford on it, but I have read that a Virgin compliation from that time > contained a studio (?) cut by that line-up. Is it possible that Bruford > played on that song? the track is "Pentagrammaspinn", it on the superb Virgin "V" compilation from 1974 (which also features an exclusive track by Hatfield and the North). It's actually credited to "Steve Hillage and the Skydrunk Heartbeat Band". I've variously heard it described as (a) a recording by Paragong and (b) a track from Hillage's "Fish Rising" sessions. I suspect the latter is closer to the truth. Broof is not featured - although Dave Stewart (later of "Bruford") is. Really nice 2LP set. Also has good stuff by Henry Cow/Slapp Happy, Captain Beefheart, Mike Oldfield, Ivor Cutler,.... some of thsi stuff is exclusive, too. - Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:57:41 -0500 From: Martin Bradburn Subject: Boston 11/20 Night 1 Well from the front row balcony at Berkeley, this audience member was struck by something that hasn't either entered my past Crim experience or I wasn't open to it's advances. I was and an inexplicable feeling of calm and benevolent presence like the eye of a hurricane. And this one is the Storm of the Century! Not only can this lineup shred the wallpaper with bombast but they can bring it down to a crystal glass fragility that seems to hang as if too delicate to touch. The strength of the new material was very evident but surprisingly the older material was also very strong. Both Trey and Pat do a great job of respecting yet not mimicking parts that they didn't originally write. Red, Elephant Talk, Frame by Frame, Vroom rocked as did Larks IV. Fractured highlighted how fluid and effortlessly craft can be. Robert's hand were like liquid on both his picking and fretting sides. Robert seemed very happy, I don't know if I have ever seen him smile so much. Pat was just so much fun to watch, whether thundering along with monster roll, syncopating in frightening time signatures and suicide breaks or so delicately touching a cymbal or drum so softly it seemed like a caress. After the show I got to shake Pat's hand at the stage door, as he cordially answered questions even sort of rude ones about Bill & Tony's where abouts. I gave him a heartfelt thanks and her noticed my P2 shirt and said with a smirk. "Nice shirt man". Trey does not play Warr Guitar, he makes love to the damn thing. He dives contorts and even make the thing speak! My one negative comment was that Trey was down in the mix and lost some time. I have seen this before so I don't know if it's intentional on his part. Adrian what can you say. He was in fine form. The consummate front man. Whether breathing new live into his delivery on "ET", rocking and locking with Boppin Bobby, jousting with Trey for the new hand drum pad , or just being a great guitar player and singer, he a warm heart at the center of this talented team. In closing I must reiterate, this is one of the most connected, friendly powerful and yet delicate configuration of Crimson I have seen. They are like a group of old friends that not only are challenged by and love what they're doing, but really enjoy each others company. The faces and the music do not lie As we enter the new millennium, King Crimson is alive and well and still taking it's listeners to the outer limit's. As we left the show I felt as though I'd been tripping or something!!! The audience was very good and silence made it's presence felt a few times during the show, Martin PS: ToaPP acoustic has lost none of it's magic, just wonderful!!! Adrian Rules!!! PPS: Shoutout to my fellow ET'er Joe Hartley, great company for a KC experience!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:55:44 +0604 From: Alain Proulx Subject: Heavy ConstruKction I don't know what's wrong in Quebec about the distribution of this album but it looks impossible tu find it. Every store have it in their listing but no trace of it. So, after the show in Montreal I'd like to hear a live Crimson without watching a flash.... I'd like to know if this delay is a strategy or simply a distribution problem. Can't wait to hear it.... Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:56:20 -0500 (EST) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re; Quincy B. Blake wrote: Many years ago (about 15) when Adrian was touring with the Bears, they played at the Paradise club in Boston. [Great show by the way] During the drive to the venue, the band was disoriented at the interchange of 95 (128) and 93 as they travelled north to Boston. (Those of you near Beantown know how confusing this area might be for out of towners.) Anyway, the members noticed the road signs for the towns of Quincy & Braintree, which are listed to gether as Quincy Braintree, and they thought it was a great name. During the Bears show, they joked about the signs, joked about changing the group's name to Quincy Braintree, and members of the band talked of changing their names to Quincy Braintree. Thanks for clearing that up! I'll confess that I was taken unawares by Ade's name change. Ironically, there's another sign (on the other side of Rt. 95, west of the city), that directs you to the towns of Newton and Wayland in the same manner. And anyone who grew up in the US in the 70s may remember that Newton Wayland was, in real life, the name of the guy who wrote the music for the ZOOM television show. Maybe he and ol' Quince should get together for a collaboration... --Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:05:27 -0800 (PST) From: Chelsea Snelgrove Subject: Toyah & Fripp/6 degrees Hello all, I have a cassette copy of Toyah & Fripp's "The Lady or the Tiger" up for auction on eBay, if anyone's interested. Here's a "six degrees of separation" puzzle for you: King Crimson and Burt Bacharach. Any takers? Chelsea Snelgrove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:42:44 -0600 From: Walter Daniel Subject: running Heavy ConstruKction video on a Mac Howdy from Austin, I was able to get the Heavy ConstruKction video to play on my Mac. Here are some notes from my effort: 1. The .asf file is stored in an "invisible" folder on the CD-ROM. While you can't see the file from the Finder you can verify its presence with ResEdit. Some commercial disk utilities might allow you to copy the invisible file to your hard drive where you can play it directly. 2. I opened the HTML page on the CD-ROM, entered the password I received by email from DGM, then Netscape "downloaded" the 70+ megabyte .asf file to my Mac (i.e., copied it from the invisible folder on the CD-ROM to my desktop). The file did not play automatically; there's a link on the HTML page in case the video doesn't start and that link worked for me. 3. The Mac version of Windows Media Player is a dog. On my 320 MHz G3 the video skips every second or two. By comparison, it runs just fine on a 333 Mhz Pentium II Windows NT box. [The Microsoft programmers in the Mac business unit down in California can write good Mac code; the programmers up in Seattle can't (or won't).] Is there some way to convert the .asf file to Quicktime format? 4. There seem to be some problems with the file such as the video not updating the screen in a few places. I thought this was due to the problems with the Mac player but I also see the same behavior under Windows NT. I applaud DGM for including this video on the CD despite the technical problems. I would urge DGM to consider using Quicktime by Apple Computer but I understand that Quicktime doesn't have all the copyright and licensing features that Microsoft's format supports. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:01:28 -0500 From: "ccoulterwsc" Subject: on Ebay bootlegs Of the illegitimate bootlegs on Ebay, Paul wrote (Off The Deep End?????????? ET#774): "PS: The real answer is for f**king Fripp to release this stuff.Would'nt you agree?!?!" First of all, why the term "f**king Fripp"? What has he ever done to you except produce music you like to hear? As for Fripp (KC? DGM?) releasing the bootlegs, I certainly would not agree. Maybe I'm just not a big enough fanatic, but what value is there in 10 slightly different crappy recordings of Cat Food? And why would any artist want to release sub-standard material? I think Fripp, KC, DGM have served the fans well by providing (and continuing to provide) old, remastered concert documents, and in trying to make the sound as good as possible. Why would they want to release garbage if they didn't think it was up to snuff? Personally, I think if anyone wants to be a total completist and (in my opinion) waste your money on crappy bootleg recordings - knock yourself out. However, considering the legalities and the extreme audacity of doing so, I think selling stuff on Ebay lacks discretion, taste, and manners - if nothing else. Paul doesn't like the idea of the KC-Ebay taskforce proposed on ET, but why not? These are fans wanting to help out the band/DGM who cannot be all places at once. Who else would do it? DGM? Should they pay someone to sniff out illegal sales and add to their costs and cause the prices of legitimate releases to rise, thus affecting probably everyone reading this? - Christian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:44:58 -0500 From: "T.J. Mathews" Subject: hearing voices Christian Coulter ccoulter at webserverco dot com wrote about Toronto: >One technical glitch: during an instrumental piece, the staticky voice of a >woman seems to leak into the mix, quite loudly. I couldn't make out what it >was but it sounded something like a security walkie-talkie or radio >commercial. The band pauses, starts again in mid-gear, then revs right >back up after a minute or so. I heard this female voice at each show I went to (4) and believe it to be a sample coming from the depths of Pat's reach not a glitch. Pat had this rather large silvered colored disk object sort of mushroom shaped to his left that as far as I could tell was covered in small white knobs. Looked like a space ship to me. Any clues what it is? When I spoke to Pat I got too excited (that's me) and jumped straight to something about how great it would be if Mastica toured the US. He said it sounded impossible. We need promoters amongst our troops. tj, dc-et2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:57:02 -0500 From: "T.J. Mathews" Subject: slipping on by Luigi Giugliano scrutinizer981 at hotmail dot com wrote of security: >If Crimson specifically requested that no flash photography is >allowed, then why doesn't security confiscate the cameras >before people enter the venue? Doesn't security receive >these orders? This is not an easy task. As we walked into the 2nd Philly show they found a camera in the pocket of a middle aged man. He pleaded that he knew the rules and would never consider taking a picture. They did not care what he had to say and took the camera. I was just a step behind this person and walked in without being touched (I had nothing to hide.) This could be used as a ploy by organized idiots. It's not hard. The guy they busted at the first DC show had tiny microphones on his glasses. It's really too bad that a Crim audience couldn't start up a pre-show chant that screamed over and over, "No Cameras, No Cameras, No Cameras..." as the lights dimmed. That might be something WE could do...if we get another chance. tj, dc-et2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:33:50 -0300 From: "jose poggio" Subject: Best Belew era KC Live recordings Hi KCrimsonautas: I have the following Live KC recordings pertraining to the belew era: 1/Three of a perfect pair-Live in Japan-VHS-HiFiStereo (Belew,Fripp,levin Bruford) 2/King Crimson-Live in Japan-VHS-HiFiStereo(Double Trio) 3/Cirkus-The Young person's guide to King Crimson-30ths Aniversary edition-Double CD 4/The Essential king Crimson-frame by frame- 4 Volume Box set 5/ Absent Lovers-Live in montreal 1984-Double CD- 6/ King Crimson-The Projekcts- 4 boxed Cds I love all of them. Anyway I think that my favourite recordings of the above are # 2 and # 3 by far regarding recording quality and performance.I also think that the projekcts, despite they are live recordings, cannot be compared to the rest and should be taken as something special apart. I have not listened to Heavy Construkction enough time to make a comparison. To all those ETers that have listened to the above and more, i would like to know your opinion. Thanks, Keep on Rokcin!! Jose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 01:25:25 -0400 (AST) From: "John S. Gray" Subject: Toronto gig (24/11) and Niester's review Fellow Fripp fans: Sorry it has taken me this long to post. I've been a KC/Fripp fan since the seventies. While I still treasure the collaborations with Wetton/Bruford/Cross as something particularly special, I attended the KC gigs in Toronto in 1981 (Discipline tour, at the Music Hall) and in 1984 (the open air gig in the Exhibition grounds). I was delighted the RF spoke at the 1981 gig, however briefly. The drunken kid who interrupted his brief monolgue shound be hog-tied. I attended the recent gig at Toronto's dark and foreboding Warehouse. I was silently wishing that RF would speak, and around me others were calling out, `Speak to us, Robert!' between the musical pieces. I understand he had a tough tour, and the Warehouse audience was pretty demanding. I felt that the performance of RED as part of the encore set was done just for me. Thanks, to all four musicians. I also loved that lovely lyrical piece with the Frippertronics and stick which preceded RED. The Toronto GLOBE and MAIL today published a review by Alan Niester. Although A.N. didn't use the words, his editors inserted the words `70's dinosaur' in the teaser on page two. So many have failed to get it that KC has been an evolving entity all along. For trivia buffs, this is the same Alan Niester who reviewed the LARKS TONGUES IN ASPIC L.P. for Zoo World fanzine way back in '73 (or was it '74?) Best regards, John S. Gray Crimso die-hard in Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:13:56 +0300 From: "Vladimir Kalnitsky" Subject: King Crimson in Saint Petersburg Hi, everybody! Maybe you know that Saint Petersburg exists not only in Florida (USA), but in the Old World too. The foot of the Crimson King has never stepped there, but a lot of his subjects inhabit this city. So, I decided to tell you about our activities in this Northern Capital of Russia. First of all, a few words about myself. I'm the author of the Russian site "IndoorGames" (http://www.indoorgames.hotmail.ru) dedicated exclusively to King Crimson. You are welcome, and don't forget to leave a message in the guest-book. You can find "IndoorGames" through the "Links Page 1" of the "Elephant Talk". This site was my first practical step in popularization of the amazing phenomenon, which have struck me in the far 1969. All began two years ago with the attempt to translate the lyrics for my close friends, with whom I was listening King Crimson for 30 years and to whom the meaning of Crimson's compositions was the absolute enigma (for me too, by the way). What a hard labour! Thanks to ETers (and especially to Jon Green, Steven Sthole, Stepan Pechkin, George Khuroshvili, Markus Gnad, Paul Weiss, Konstantinos Belonis, Steve Watkins, Dmitry Litvintsev, Timothy Gueguen, Serge Girard, Aaron Mulin, Rick Snow, Vasily Garkusha, Rich Stubits+) for advices, criticism and enorm! ous amount of attendant information. Towards the end of my work I grew bolder and addressed to the Mighties. My kind regards to Richard Palmer-James, Peter Sinfield and Adrian Belew for encouragement and courtesy. At present, "IndoorGames" consists of history block, translated lyrics, two-language official discography, and explanation of the inner meaning of the first four albums. Also we insert there the translated booklet from "The Young Persons' Guide to King Crimson" album and exclusive photos of Peter Sinfield, which he has sent me by post. This month our site was nominated for the Russian "National Intel Internet Award 2001" (http://www.nagrada.ru) among musical sites devoted to artists. Don't hesitate to renominate us (http://www.nagrada.ru/db/add_next) or to give us the highest rating (http://www.nagrada.ru/db/sitedetail/IDsiteIS659), and thus to vote for the Greatest Band in the Universe. These Internet efforts helped me to find like-minded persons in our city and in its business circles. The "FONO" company (http://www.fono.nm.ru) financed the publication of my 320 page book called "The Russificated King Crimson" with the content similar to "IndoorGames" site. In December 2000 the book will be on sale in Saint Petersburg and in Moscow, and maybe will come in sight somewhere else. The picture of its cover you can find through the "Site News" section of "IndoorGames". The presentation of the book will take place on December 17, 2000 at 19:00 in the "Fish Fabrique" club (http://www.fishfabrique.spb.ru). The address is: 10 Pushkinskaja Street, Saint Petersburg, Russia (entrance from 53 Ligovsky Prospect). No invitations or entrance fee required, just be my guests. This year the new musical club-store "KAILAS" (there is such a sacred mountain in Tibet) will be opened in Saint Petersburg. It will be situated in the very center of the city, and its address - 10 Pushkinskaja Street - (the same address one more time) is known not only in our country as the address of the "Free Culture Center" (http://www.pushkinskaja-10.spb.ru). "KAILAS" will be the headquarters of our "Saint Petersburg King Crimson Center" the main tasks of which are to unite Russian Crimheads and to assist "FONO" in production of legal CDs of King Crimson and their family. The main target is to promote the long-expected Russian King Crimson tour. Do you hear me, Mr. Fripp?! In this connection I want to appeal to all the ETers to help us with information and materials. We live far from the routes of the Crimson King, so everything will be interesting for us: CD and cassette copies of Collectors' Club albums and singles, videos, posters (originals and all kinds of copies), handbills, Crimson related books, magazines, photos, links to contact persons responsible for licences+ I do hope that my summon will find response in you souls, and you will help us in our pleasing to God affair. Those who will come to the only sound decision, I inform that they can use the post address: Vladimir Kalnitsky, 18 Aviatsionnaja Street, Apartment 25, 196135 Saint Petersburg, Russia (phone/fax: 007 812 2913376). We shall be very much obliged for any kind of assistance. Waiting for replies I remain crimsonly yours Vladimir P.S. I have information that Serge Girard (SGIRARD at janbe dot jnj dot com) and Markus Gnad (MGnad at rundschau dot co dot at) are maturing the great idea of the ETers's World (or maybe only European) Conference. Why not organize it in Saint Petersburg in Summer, 2001? We have the experience of international arrangements and we'll do our best to make this meeting unforgettable. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #775 ********************************