Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #767 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 767 Friday, 17 November 2000 Today's Topics: league of gentlemen Brand X Photography Seconds Out Bruford and Brand X toured together in the UK I am SOOOO impressed! Bruford & Genesis Re: Shakti Re: Wanted: Damage by Sylvian/Fripp Elephant Talk: I can't see how anyone would... Really Happy With Robert Fripp Coast to Coast 2 Replies to Post/Soundscapes A Passion For Crucifixion? Heavy ConstruKction track titles VH1 Tool + KC Time to move on MANIFEST FOR DGM PROTEKCTION AGAINST PARASITISM Polish interview with Fripp & Adrian GIG REVIEW: Town Hall NYC GIG REVIEW: Monday November 13 Supper Club GIG REVIEW: Asbury Park, NJ Nov 11th, 2000 -add'l notes ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:35:59 EST From: OLOF63 at aol dot com Subject: league of gentlemen when is robert fripp going to release "league of gentlemen" in its original format? my cassette is about to take a crap and i removed my turn table to make room for my dvd player & satellite dish. don't get me wrong, "god save the king" is ok. but its just not the same as the original lp. i miss jg bennett and all the mindless chatter over top of the music. "league of gentlemen" is a classic and should not be tampered with. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 13:48:55 -0800 From: "btpmsi" Subject: Brand X Photography All this Brand X talk got me looking for my photos from the show I saw at the Warfield in San Francisco (1979?). If there's enuf interest, I could be convinced to make sets of these available. Private mail Only please. Brian Perkins West Linn, OR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:00:31 -0800 From: Tom Martin Subject: Seconds Out The Genesis "Seconds Out" live LP spans two concert tours. Bill Bruford played drums during the "Trick of the Tail" tour in 1976, the first tour after Peter Gabriel left the group. I saw them during that tour when they played the Berkeley Community Theater in California. It was an excellent show, except for the woman sitting behind me who insisted on singing along with every song. "Cinema Show" on "Seconds Out" comes from that tour. For the following year's "Wind and Wuthering" tour, Chester Thompson played drums. I saw them during that tour when they played The Winterland in San Francisco. It too was an excellent show. The singing woman from Berkeley mercifully was not there. The rest of the songs on "Seconds Out" come from that tour. Chester became a regular on all subsequent Genesis and Phil Collins solo tours at least through the 80's. - Tom ------------- Thomas W. Martin Marketing Manager PLX Technology 390 Potrero Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94086 Phone: 408-328-3592 Mobile: 408-621-2322 tmartin at plxtech dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 14:56:41 -0800 From: Adrian Cockcroft Subject: Bruford and Brand X toured together in the UK Back in the late 70's I was a Yes/Genesis fan which lead me into Brand X and Bruford. I still listen to Moroccan Roll, Masques and Livestock, great albums - John Goodshall is an astoundingly fast and fluent guitarist and Percy Jones a unique bass player. A few years later (1979/80) there was a UK tour of both bands together, with Bruford were supporting Brand X, I saw them at Oxford Polytechnic and was very impressed with both bands. I can't remember much detail though, but Collins was not in Brand X at that time - Genesis were a much bigger band by then. Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:23:36 EST From: Josette484 at aol dot com Subject: I am SOOOO impressed! Nico and I saw the show at the Supper Club in NYC on Monday and I, who thought I had seen and heard it all, almost zoned out completely into oblivion being so very overwhelmed by the spiritual,bordering quite nearly on heavenly, sounds coming from Trey Gunn's "Ward Guitar"! Then....at The Town Hall show the following nite I did..... I, who thought I heard heard it all, is greatly impressed! Kisses......Josette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Sheridan Subject: Bruford & Genesis <<<>>> Bill as a pal of Phil was offered the drum spot by Phil so Phil could sing. Bill, recently underemployed, leapt at the chance. He played for the whole 1976 "Trick of the Tail" tour. HOWEVER - he was not pleased with the lack of interest in his input expressed by the G-men. They tend to stick more or less to the album versions of songs live, and Bill really put his OWN stamp all over the songs!!! SO it was not seen as a good fit by EITHER camp. The band has since gone on record saying they were "beastly" to Bill. Here's a good thing for us: Bill may only be on one song on the live "Seconds Out" but Genesis released a later live album with some bonus tracks, one featuring Billy B: a medley of "It/Watcher of the Skies" appears on the remastered "Three Sides Live." EVEN BETTER: there was a videodisc called "Genesis Live" that was maybe 45 min - 1 hour long that captured Bill live on stage with Genesis. While songs are cut up and there is some silly non-band footage added, it is some GREAT playing and is well worth tracking down. It even showed in movie theaters way back when!! PLUS - this tour was pretty well bootlegged. Look around. Bill may not have had the seamless melodic fit into Genesis' smooth sound that Chester Thompson did, but on my video copy of that laserdisc show, he sure puts some nice touches into songs like "Los Endos," "Supper's Ready," (the "Apocalypse in 9/8" is GREAT) and "Fly on a Windshield." Check it out. Jim S. Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:54:07 -0600 From: Craig Subject: Re: Shakti > I had the pleasure of seeing this band 2 weeks ago, at Kendal Leisure > Centre, in the Lake District her in the UK. It was fantastic. An > amazing venue -- basically the size of a school hall, and the band > couldn't soundcheck until local kids had finished playing badminton. The > new live album is "The Believer" and comes with a free video CD. -- Toby Mine didn`t have the video CD!!! Is that a UK only deal? Craig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 06:56:19 +0100 From: Dario Tortora Subject: Re: Wanted: Damage by Sylvian/Fripp >Has anybody seen a copy of Damage, > >... > > I suppose I should ask anyone whose heard it whether it's >actually worth searching out. Any opinions? It's the best album of my +1000 collection of CDs. Simple as that. Dario Tortora ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 01:15:38 EST From: KB305 at aol dot com Subject: Elephant Talk: I can't see how anyone would... Elephant Talk will return in its entirety after this special announcement: After reading the last few ETs, I am reminded again of these words: babble banter bicker bicker bicker brouhaha balderdash ballyhoo One "fan" writes a bunch of opinions, another mistakes them for facts. To me, its relationship to meaningful criticism is equal to that of the "debates" of the presidential candidates to "argument". I know, it's only rock and roll, but I like it. Under my opponent's plan, King Crimson will play a lot of new music that you may not like, and since they'll improvise a lot of it, they may occasionally step on their schwantzes. My opponent says that King Crimson is an idea, not a person, and the players in KC at any given time are there to serve the idea. Furthermore, he claims that the live experience consists of the Crims, the audience, and hopefully, Music itself, which, if it finds favor, (I quote:) "will take (them or you) into its confidence". This is a risky scheme. It provides value for only those in the most intelligent 10% of listeners. Under my plan, everyone you've ever liked in previous incarnations of King Crimson will be on stage every night, playing all of your favorite Crimson numbers (including In The Court Of The Crimson King -- it's about time we heard their greatest work!). You the audience need (and deserve) the security that King Crimson SHOULD provide for you -- to provide a solid, faithful, and entertaining Rock Music product, free from the whims of "the Muse" or any vague, shifting plan labeled "creative thought". If you want something different and unpredictable, you should opt for the Grateful Dead. And in order to appreciate this music in the privacy of your own home, you shouldn't have to go learn anything about the nature of critical thought, or active listening, or keeping separate your own data, feelings, judgments, or wants. My opponent trusts King Crimson. I trust you. You, the King Crimson fan, know what you want. My apologies to those of you who don't follow American politics. The rest may pelt me now with dungballs -- kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:07:51 GMT From: "Michael Irish" Subject: Really Happy With Robert Fripp I attended both Detroit Crimson shows, and loved both, though feeling that the second concert, on the 6th, was the stronger of the two. The band revamped their set list on the second night, beginning with Red, Thela Hun Ginjeet, and Elephant Talk, taking a slight detour at the beginning of Dinosaur as Adrian broke one of his strings. They continued with TCOL, dropping Prozac Blues, and not playing Oyster Soup (unfortunately!) on either night. Robert's fret hand was up in smoke during FraKctured. Trey's playing on the Warr Guitar was likewise masterful. I believe most people at the Detroit gigs loved the performances. I drove about town tonight following a performance of Mozart's Cosi Fan Tutte at the Detroit Opera House, and am unhappy with the knocks that the city takes; however, if there are any future Crimson/ProjeKct tours, Ann Arbor would hopefully prove an attractive alternative to the band. In my own case, I love TCOL, and feel its the best KC recording since the Discipline album; the new live set, Heavy Construction, sets King Crimson as one of the few bands today that is daring, that challenges what is possible, that challenges the pre-conceptions of its audience. The central page of the tour book shows a typical audient sitting back and enjoying the cascade of music with which Crimsky has blessed with these past few years. I was fortunate to find a copy of the Fripp/Sylvian Damage album a couple of years ago at a used-record store, in perfect condition. It's an excellent set, and presents Robert in a different dynamic; well, Trey and Pat are here also, as is Michael Brook; but the sensibility here is different than Crimson. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:27:34 -0000 From: Simon Calkin Subject: Coast to Coast 2 Dear all I too would like a copy of "Coast to Coast",but in my case vinyl would suffice.Contact me by private email please. Best wishes to all. Simon Calkin Support Services,News Resources * Work: 0208 576 0910 * Fax: 0208 749 7853 * Room 4252 TV Centre, Wood Lane, London, W12 7RJ > * mailto:simon dot calkin at bbc dot co dot uk > * http://www.bbcresources.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 07:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: Darryl Subject: Replies to Post/Soundscapes Greetings Elephiles, I wanted to thank the first person who e-mailed me about the orchestra(sorry, forget who you were). But I also want to thank Sid Smith for e-mailing me. Now *that* I wasn't expecting! I'm also curious about the many Soundscape albums Fripp has released. I haven't heard any of them and wanted to know, as a beginner, where should I start? Which of them would E.T.ers consider the best. (Too bad there wasn't "A Beginners Guide To Soundscapes"). Later, Darryl "Shut Up 'N Play Yer Guitar"-Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:47:00 +0100 From: Gnad Markus Subject: A Passion For Crucifixion? Well. Trey Five Winds (Hey man, explain that name!!!) said "I can't stand reviews that aren't at the very least OBJECTIVE." Once in a while the journalist inside me begins to speak and here he says: A review / concert critic can't be objective. You go there, see it and then say if you liked it or not (I mean, HOW you say it is another topic and I'll leave it to those who throw RKT into the frying pan). Reviews are plain subjective, other than a presentation of a new album or the current tour (thank God I'm never writing about that!). And, as an addition to this: Has anybody of those who keep on RKT-bashing ever tried to imagine what it must feel like if you have spent 20 years of listening (and probably loving) your band, and then come to find out that you don't find them attractive anymore? It's not that easy to "MOVE ON", you still wants to try and get back to that feeling of the days when you liked them. That's why loads of guys who say they don't like the new Krim still buy their albums, go to their concerts and stuff - just to give it one more try. Like... "Maybe there's still something there for me." With respeKct and still The Fripp Clone Markus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:07:41 -0500 From: "Stephen T. Kilpatrick" Subject: Heavy ConstruKction track titles On Disc 3 of Heavy ConstruKction, there are a couple of tracks for which the printed titles and those listed on the DGM web site differ. Track 7 is called "Beatiful Rainbow" on the package and "Beautiful Rainbow" on the web site. A misprint, or a different meaning? Track 9 is listed as "Tomorrow Never Knew Thela (including Tomorrow Never Knows)", but "Tomorrow Never Knows Thela (including Tomorrow Never Knows)" on the web site. Steve Kilpatrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:34:38 -0800 From: "Michael Britt" Subject: VH1 Tool + KC Is there a number we can call to complain that tool and king crimson didn't get above 40 in the alleged top 100? At first I was thankful that they even showed up in the first place, but now I'm outraged that they didn't get higher. Who the hell picks these things out? Is there an email address or a number to call and complain? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:06:59 GMT From: "Danny Anderson" Subject: Time to move on You know, ever since I came across the phrase, "It's time to move on" for audients who favor past incarnations of the band, I've really disliked that phrase. I finally figured out why. When RF uttered that phrase, I have the feeling that he has a slightly different slant on it than the rest of us. When you have an intimate relationship with someone and it has ended, you have to go forward and continue with life. The best example I can think of is when you and your girlfriend break up, it is time to move on. When you get married you don't still pine away for your past lover. Okay. RF has had that intimate of a relationship with the entity called King Crimson (no, I don't mean he slept with the band). When Gordon Haskel and Andy McCulloch left the band, it was time to move on. And so forth with all the incarnations of the band. Who outside the band has had THAT intimate of a relationship with KC? Especially an enthusiast or fan? Yeah, right! I think the phrase "come to present time" fits far better. The present KC IS the present KC and if it isn't your favorite KC, well, it isn't your favorite KC but it isn't the KC in present time. No good, no bad, just is. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) From: Schizoid Man Subject: MANIFEST FOR DGM PROTEKCTION AGAINST PARASITISM MANIFEST FOR DGM PROTEKCTION AGAINST PARASITISM To all Eter's I'm sure most of you have ever seen since several months, illegal KC Cd's sold on Ebay (and maybe on other auction sites as Amazon,and so on..).The most frequent and obviously fake products are: Earthbound, USA, Complete KC collection on cd rom (mp3's), etc., mainly from sellers in russia. Some of these products are presented as official. It's not bootlegs sold by hardcore collectors but stuff especially created for this aim :to be sold on-line. for example, every time an auction of Usa on cd is closed, the same seller put another one (or 2...). The on-line auctions are a new way to distribute worldwide this kind of stuff at low cost and risk. I think WE have to stop this ! WHY? 1. It's robbery against DGM artists and the company itself (I think it's not necessary to develop that point there) We have an ethical duty to do in order to protect THIS *so different* company because it really cares about ethical, music, artists and audience. 2. KC lovers (not enough informed ones), our potential friends, are victims too. They pay expensive products presented as very rare and official. Every day, anywhere in the world there's new people arriving on the Web and discovering this amazing Ebay site, potentially every day new KCLovers victims 3. These products don't add anything to the KC knowledge base. These products are not concert bootlegs. Bootleging is illegal and we all know the RFripp public positions about.But sometimes bootlegs can be usefull for KC knowledge (mole bath,...), let say it's a different problem with different solutions I don't want to develop here. Every Eter here will find other good reasons to say STOP. So let's PROTEKCT our universe TOGETHER ! HOW? I've created the PCCK: Punishment Court of the Crimson King :-) 1. MISSION - A small independant, mobile and anonym group commando to protect DGM and KC against "on-line Parasitism" . - It decides the products to kill, by identifying precisely the enemy stuff, with the following rule: in case of a doubt no action. - It communicates on its actions and its results (on ETnewsletter if Tobby don't mind), may be one day a specific newsletter will be created. 2. Taking faker mountain by strategy... From prevention to repression Prevention - It protects and informs auction bidders that the KC material they are bidding on is fake, and that it will do actions in orders to avoid the products to be sold. It suggests appropriate altenative DGM stuff or substitutive legal way to buy, It informs the auction site management team, by asking them to blast the enemy products. - it guides auctionners to Elephant-talk.com and his newsletter to have a good information source. Repression (In case of no success of the prevention acts) - Members of the group (PCCKers) will bid at very high level prices on criminal products in order to eject regular bidders and to disturb the process. - It will contact the bidders to explain the reason of this action - It informs the auction site management team, about the reasons of its acts. Normally after some days the enemy will have some problems. --------- I've not verified but I think, despite all good reasons, that this kind of action may be illegal in the US. Personnaly I don't care because it seems to me I have to do that That's the reason why I do not communicate for the moment my real identity nor my true email adress. If someone else here wants to join the group it will be welcome, I can certify this will be completely anonymous, but for the beginning I will only accept people who have ever written on ET (I don't want to be asssociated with people deserving other obscure aims.) I'm looking for people who love KC and can guide me on the following subjects I'm not competent on. - how to create a very secure email adresses in order to bid anonymously - What are the risks to do that and all legal knowledge - Creation of a website (why not?) - ... --------- I've recently decided to give freely a part of my (restrained) free time and my professional skills to help DGM to survive, meet his audience and grow. I don't do that for money or private interest. I'm completely independant and have no relation of any kind (except by buying stuff) with DGM, On-line auctions sites, and other related or competitor companies. I only do that because I love King Crimson and I want to act ConctruKCtively. I don't want to introduce revolution on eBAY nor ET so please just tell me with a private email what you think of this action, if you explain me it's stupid or there's things I've certainly not percepted or well evaluated, it will be very precious for me. long live to the King. frienly yours Nick Grimson - Nickgrimson at yahoo dot com - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 17:13:29 EST From: RKTreemore at aol dot com Subject: Polish interview with Fripp & Adrian Here's the translated interview I promised in my rant about the recent Detroit show. It's from a Polish magazine 'Tylko Rock' no. 6 June 2000, pages 16 - 19 that a fellow over there sent along, with his attempts at interpretations in brackets. This is the only time I've seen Fripp come clean about Tony's not being in the band. In also reading Adrian's comments, it seems like there's more important information lurking out there that Robert doesn't provide in his supposed tell-all diary entries. Q: Why King Crimson reduced the squad? Why Tony Levin and Bill Bruford left? A: After the last concert in 1996 we much discussed about what will be the best next movement for King Crimson. And so in May 1997 we gathered for several weeks in Nashville to work together and see, what it will be like/will happen [here a Polish idiom is used, so I can't translate it directly (it would be: 'what will come out from that')]. Alas, for me the results of this session weren't convincing [or: 'didn't convince myself' - I'm not sure, which way is better] and unsatisfying. The question 'what next?' came back. Then the idea of the ProjeKcts came into existance, which I don't need to describe further. Faster or later [next idiom] we had to answer the question 'what we have to do, to make KC return in a really great form. Unfortunately, it didn't seem that the whole six incorporated to the group's work with full engagement and devotion. Bill was terribly busy with his jazz band Bill Bruford's Earthworks. And Tony informed me that he joined the group Seal and will go on a long tour with this group. Only four persons declared full engagement in KC's next movement. I must admit, that when we were close to start working on a new album, Seal's tour was cancelled due to low ticket-selling and Tony let us know that he is free to take [next idiom]. I must admit, that this was a hard nut to crack [next idiom, means something like 'tough matter']. I already managed to familiarize with new conception of King Crimson as double duo or, if you wish, quartet, and consequences [I didn't find the word, that is used by polish translator, in dictionary. The word 'consequences' is not an exact translation. Maybe it would be 'implications', if the word like this exists in English] resulting from it. Finally I decided to stay with this idea. This, of course, doesn't mean that Tony Levin and Bill Bruford don't have the way back to King Crimson. I haven't shut the door before [or rather 'for'] them forever. Anyway, some of Pat Mastelotto's parts on 'The ConstruKction of Light' have been written for two drums, so there could appear the second drummer in the band. All in all, we're going on a tour in four-preson squad. And what next? I don't know. [Last sentence and last idiom :-), which I can't translate directly. It says 'I don't know', as I wrote, but puts a big emphasis on the fact that I don't know']. ... In answer to next question, about Bill generally, Fripp says, that drummer's style makes the group's style - 'If you have a jazz drummer, the group becomes a jazz group, if you have a rock drummer, the group becomes rock group'. And says that with Pat-only-drummer in the band, they play in more rock style than many previous incarna- tions. And a surprise: that's what Ade says about this matter: '(...) All in all, for me work in a quartet was far better than while there were six of us, but, I'll add that many times I missed TL and BB. Q: I have already talked to RF on this subject. Anyway, I'm interested in what, in your opinion, was the main reason of this change [TL's and BB's leaving]. A: Robert is the only person, who can firmly speak on this subject. He is the person to make personnel decisions in KC. It seems that this is his vision of the group for today. What can I add? You know, Robert's relations with Bill were never great. Maybe he just decided, that it's high time they separated.' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:51:47 EST From: NotoriousAWOL at aol dot com Subject: GIG REVIEW: Town Hall NYC 11/14 W. 43rd st., NYC Five years since the King came to town and I tried my best to let my evening unfold before me without predjudice. Upon arriving at the theatre however I became as giddy with anticipation as a child waiting to speak with Santa. So much for "no expectations", right ? Wrong. I realized I was just happy to be there, and let the chips fall where they may. My wife and I were literally ten feet in front of the PA system speakers, stage left. Expecting to have our heads torn off by the sound, We were shocked at the bearable level and exceptional quality of sound during the first strains of "Vrooom". A great view of Fripp all night but a poor one of Mastellotto. I noticed that despite Pat's ferocious pounding throughout the night, the cymbals were low in the mix. This was evidently intentional and I think a sense of rhythmic subtlety can be somewhat hurt by this. There seems to be such a split right now in Crimson. This new band has a presence, or momentum all its own that is actually stalled by old favorites "Frame by Frame" (well done) "Dinosaur" (fair) "Elephant Talk" (poor) "Heroes" (cover band quality, customer service sincerity). This now simple-and-by- rote "greatest hits" package acts as filler where none is needed. "Lark's IV"s had me in full cathartic convulsion at the first crushing downbeat after the fanfare. " I Have a Dream" substituted some effective arena-rock dynamics for the lack of a third (studio) guitar. " TCOL ". Now what a piece that is. There are times when the guitars suggest swirling sound rising in the air. The group was earnest, careful, subtle, wonderful, and totally original. And they jammed! A couple of times! What KC is KC without the blows! The closest the double trio got to that was "Thrak", which was my favorite part of their show for that reason. Then there was "FracKtured", in which Fripp was far from perfecKt but somehow more endearing, perhaps human that way. A Telling Moment occurred in the encore when Belew played a seventeen year old song (great!) by himself and the rest of the band played an new, extremely loose composition with plenty of room to move (Thrush). I see this as a transitional period where KC has only begun to change. Belew seemed more of a front man than an integral member of the group . It was a great night. Nevertheless both audience and performers still held on to a bit too much of the past, to its detriment. Time to move on. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 22:12:53 EST From: Matekudesy at aol dot com Subject: GIG REVIEW: Monday November 13 Supper Club Gig review Monday November 13, 2000 8:00 pm The Supper Club under the influence: The Supper Club: 240 West 47th Street, Monday Nov 13, 2000 8:00PM No REC/CAM/SMOKING KING CRIMSON. VERY VERY CROWDED. Worked charm and scored seats above the crowd on the right hand side of stage for an extra 60 bucks (entertaining myself and client). Band comes onstage to already Fripper soundscapes and does power shake (Fripp, Belew, Mastelloto, Gunn): Open: 8:21 very strong. They mean it. Fripp all black. Belew all black, red sneakers. Trey Gunn red shirt black pants, Matellotto black shirt with white...acoustic. Fripp goes NUTS. wow. 2nd: Belew crazy on banana coloured Fender. Absolutely nuts. 3rd: coda--- more Belew antics. Sings..."gravity...." Gunn holds fort. Forceful. No prisoners. 4th: Mastellotto shines, Fripp in back. Staccatto heaven. Blue Black background.........sound amazing. 5th: Amazing. "anger...." 6th: red white backdrop...band bathed in red...Belew beckons Fripp.... grreat vocals. Frying Pan. 7: Out of this world. foreign landscape. smoooth staccato Fripp Heaven and in command. Matrix wall of sound. intense. Zodiac pattrens on back screen. Fripp Fripp Fripp. Best so far. veeery trippy. Explosive yet remains seated. 8: Prozaac Blues: unbelievable. 9: Pat Mastellotto. Red backdrop...moving blue images... Fripp rules again here. Belew plays circular drum. Gunn shines. he has graduated to be real Krimso. crowd grooving and stunned. groove HARD. Belew persists with antics. blown away. 10: children laughing..birds chirping...weird sounds..ducks...middle eastern sounds...blast into Thela Hun Jeet Jeet. Band bathed in RED. The Adrianne Belew show. ahead of himself... 11. Dinosaur. Belew breaks guitar string here....while in transition, urges crowd to sing and crowd obliges...expertly done!!!!!!! Fripp shines again. 12. More birds. Belew jokes. Jungle beats. Belew show..playing high wild notes....Mastellotto heard. Gunn seeks support, Mastelllotto there. 13. Frame by Frame. simply superb. crowd wild. Gunn and Belew joke over drum. 14. RED. Band bathed in red. This is all Fripp. Mastellotto right behind...pandemonium. encore words from nowhere. birdsounds,, blue background. frippertronics in air....mastelloto on effects...spacetalk...Take Off>>>>>>>> slow down to grind.....applause Gunn emerges..fripp sound walls...Elephant Talk- Crowd goes WILD. Thrak: strong.Fripp rules again. absolute mayhem. smoke machines. Band embraces. crowd wild wants more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:50:00 EST From: Davidcharles1 at aol dot com Subject: GIG REVIEW: Asbury Park, NJ Nov 11th, 2000 -add'l notes Just a few additional notes to Rick Bunkers's Asbury Park Review: <>> The main floor was not nearly full. I had my choice of about 30 or 40 rows to move to when I decided to change my seat. The headline in Mondays Newark Star Ledger (New Jersey's Leading Paper): "King Crimson Plays to Empty Seats". Ironically, it was a rather positive review. <> I found these people rather annoying. There was nothing nice about this dance. The lady was probably drunk or stoned out of her mind. You'd think by her age, she'd know better. It's amazing how dumb people will act while under the influence of drugs/alcohol. <> I won't go into the history of Asbury Park and its downfall but I suppose it is no different then when I go to the Mann Music Center in Philly or The E-Center in Camden. Economics is a harsh animal. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #767 ********************************