Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #752 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 752 Saturday, 28 October 2000 Today's Topics: KC Shows: "No Babes In Arms" Smoke Machines Earplugs & concert sound mix smoke vs. fog machines/new band requests king crimson in pagina12 New Standard Tuning KCCC 14 Re: BB drumming out of time Re: Sloppy Seconds Majestic Theatre back up band 'Trio'/Heavy ConstruKction/Lark's... The 9:30 Club, DC Let's try to force some airplay Fillmore Gigs Oh no, not again! For those archivists. GIG REVIEW: L.A. Oct. 23, 2000 GIG REVIEW: My trip to San Francisco/ Kids at KC shows GIG REVIEW: Fillmore shows 10/19, 10/21 (Thurs & Sat) GIG REVIEW: Friday 20th Oct at the Filmore ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:04:51 EDT From: "Luigi Giugliano" Subject: KC Shows: "No Babes In Arms" I'm reading the KC concert reviews and see that they have a policy of "No Babes In Arms". What the hell? Is KC's audience or entourage sexist or something. Someone enlighten me. Luigi Giugliano SCRUTINIZER981 at hotmail dot com "There's no way that what I do can fit within a corporate format. In the United States, radio is a cultural embarrassment. Most of the music that's broadcast is harmful to your mental health." -- FRANK ZAPPA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:37:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Vincent Beaney Subject: Smoke Machines In a gig review of Fillmore 20-10-00, someone called "Spear man" wrote: > Fairly early on--one of the fillmore types came down front and told > people not to smoke, but I do find it ironic/hypocritical that the > smokemachines were running.... Comparing smoke machines to the fug of cigarette smoke is like comparing chalk and cheese! I don't believe 'smoke' emitted by smoke machines is carcinogenic either. Perhaps someone out there who knows more about the composition of the 'smoke' from smoke machines could enlighten us more. ...Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:15:20 +0100 From: Peter Clinch

Subject: Earplugs & concert sound mix In ET #750, "The Compulsive Splicer" , asked: > I'm left with two questions about earplugs: 1) how do they change > the character of the music? Do they filter high-range more than low, > or anything like that? Depends on the earlpugs... A cheap pair will generally not have much attention paid to how they attenuate different frequencies, they're simply there to cut out a whole bunch of noise. On the whole, these will tend to attenuate higher frequencies more IIRC. You can get more specialist ones, generally designed for musicians, which (are meant to) have an even attenuation across the audible frequency range, so it should sound "right", but quieter. Though of course the act of reducing volume across bands gives a perceived reduction in low end more than high end... I'm not sure how/if this is dealt with. > 2) if there is a change in the character of > the sound after it gets through the earplugs, does King Crimson set > up the equalization off the soundboard so that the music sounds > right with earplugs and wrong without? Short answer, I don't know, but note you'll get different sound in different parts of the hall in any case, so the equalisation may be set up for conditions other than those you're standing in regardless of whether earplugs of whatever sort are part of the equation, if you're not at the desk. Also, your idea of an optimal mix may not be the same as the sound man's... Pete. -- Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p dot j dot clinch at dundee dot ac dot uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:33:01 GMT From: "Spear man" Subject: smoke vs. fog machines/new band requests So by now you may have read my review of the KC 10/20/00 show. Not flattering and while I hadn't read fripp's take when I wrote it, I have now. I've received some email regarding my comment about the irony/hypocrisy of fog machines running vs. a request from the band that there be no smoking--(cigarette/pot/anything else). Said email stated that "fog juice" as it is commonly known is nontoxic. I say "far from it". I work in the chemical industry and while my knowledge is by no means all-encompassing, I certainly am familiar with Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDSs). And I can recognize an inadequate one when I see it. To tell you the truth most MSDS are largely inadequate--because expensive studies generally are not done within the chemical industry, and the publication of an MSDS appeases regulator types. So workplace exposure issues are not well known nor well understood, but most certainly club workers, musicians, technicians and audients are exposed to hazards duirng performances. In California, there is a law that prohibits cigarette smoking in public gathering places and most certainly that law applies to clubs and is largely ignored--if you've ever been to the Justic League in SF you know what I'm talking about, but I don't know of any laws in this State that deal with Fog machines. That being said, let me give you some food for thought. I did a search for an MSDS for Fog Juice and needless to say the disco accoutrements sales folks provide an inadequate MSDS--but it did point me in the directions of fog juice's key ingredients--water (well not much to complain about there) and dipropylene glycol. So I did a further search and found for dipropylene glycol http://www.astrochemicals.com/10039.pdf which is a scan of ARCO Chemical Company's MSDS for dipropylene glycol I'll summarize the health effects listed there: acute health effects (short term) moderate eye irritant, suspect inhalation hazard, slight ingestion hazard, slight skin irritant chronic health effects (long term) repeated or prolonged exposure should be avoided since similar materials have caused eye, skin, and mucouse membrane irritation. Furthermore, while no occupational exposure limits have been developed, respiratory protection equipment is recommended where inhalation may occur from use. Hmm.... Discuss! --spearman np: Exposure ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:06:08 EDT From: Elfinster at aol dot com Subject: king crimson in pagina12 in today's review (25.10.00) of radiohead "kid a," daniel fabregat compares it to early incarnations of king crimson (you can check the whole article in pagina12.com.ar/ specifically, fabregat says that: "...'national anthem' is in structure, similar to king crimson's 'fomentera lady'..." the critic goes on drawing comparisons between other groups as well and the music produced by k.c. and other groups in the seventies. hope you find this interesting. curiously, buenos aires has a record store called crimson king that specializes in things crimson (and related musicians). regards, carlos schroder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:52:30 -0400 From: "Brian O'Connell" Subject: New Standard Tuning The California Guitar Trio uses the NST. They were all in The league of Crafty Guitarists, a band/school (ok, no flames for that please) started by Robert Fripp. I highly recommend the CGT, they are AWESOME!!! -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:12:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: KCCC 14 Edgar pointed out: > KCCC 14 = Plymouth '71... YIPEEE!!! Wow! I've been too depressed about #12 to venture onto the "club" page in awhile. This is a fascinating show -- the first UK show of the Boz/Ian/Mel band -- but I hope they can improve the sound quality considerably from the b**tl*g copy I have. And does this mean that we're not going to hear the Boston/NYC '71 shows that some have been raving about on this list? Spear Man asked: >what is an antonym for synergy? Is it Parasitism? I thought it was "anergy" but that apparently is a medical term for a loss of immunity. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: stickman3k at arcticmail dot com Subject: Re: BB drumming out of time This is an interesting question - but it is so hard to imagine somebody calling BB a beat off... (Sorry I couldn't help myself) Stickman ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:24:40 -0500 From: "Grant Colburn" Subject: Re: Sloppy Seconds (Speare Man wrote) >Am I the only person that thinks that Thela Hun Ginjeet would >be better if they skipped the samples? The playing just seems so tentative >because of it. Actually I've never heard it WITH the samples, at least not live. As far as I know it might be a new thing. Personally I'd like to hear it that way. I always missed "the story" going on in earlier live performances. >Fairly early on--one of the fillmore types came down front and told people >not to smoke, but I do find it ironic/hypocritical that the smoke machines >were running.... Uh, what do you think they do for smoke machines, light a fire? There's nothing hypocritical about it, its a chemical that's heated that is used in smoke machines. It has nothing to do with cigarette smoke, an entirely different thing. I've played on stages with smoke machines and it doesn't really affect one's breathing unless it more or less sprays directly in your face. Be careful of what you're accusing KC of. Its pretty ignorant and harsh to call them hypocrites when you don't seem to know a lot about smoke machines. Did you think they were a giant ash tray or something? >Then it was time for the new tunes. At some point during the third song, I >already wanted to leave--the playing just didn't seem to gel, >but I thought I'd wait. Boy you either have WAY to much money or you're WAY too picky to think of walking out after 3 songs. Most live gigs are lucky if the sound guy has the PA totally up and running smoothly by three songs. >I will say that I thought the ProjeKct Two and Four shows that I saw were >much stronger than this night and by far this was the weakest of the KC >shows that I've seen--I've seen several. Even a weak KC show's gotta be better than most bands having a great night! :-) >And I'm certain I missed Heroes and a bunch of >great stuff, but if I didn't see it in the first hour--I wasn't too certain >I'd see it after that. I don't think the words "certain" and "live show" have anything in common. You don't know what might have happened, but chances are you had a negative vibe that only helped the show by your leaving early. >I was really glad that the Santana show on Saturday was so good--so I don't >need to dwell on how miserable that Friday KC show was. Santana? You mean modern MTV pop Santana? Sounds like you should have stuck to Santata and done the old Frippster's "Moving on....." before going to KC. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Larry Briggs Subject: Majestic Theatre Terry Bowlus wrote: >To whom it may concern. >As a long time fan of Fripp and the gang I was very disappointed to see >that A:they decided to work at the worst (for sound) venue in the entire >Detroit metro area, and B:that they like so many other acts these days >are pricing themselves way past what most people want to pay for a show. >Listening to music at the Majestic Theatre is like being in a tiled >bathroom with a cheap transistor radio. The sound sucks! If and when >they decide to come back to Detroit at a different venue and at a more >resonable price I will be first in line for tickets. > t0aj15 I have to disagree. The venue with the worst acoustics in Metro Detroit is the Pontiac Silverdome. Of course, KC isn't embarking on a stadium tour (thankfully). I saw the California Guitar Trio play at the Majestic last month and, although I didn't think it was the nicest venue in town, I didn't notice any problems with sound quality. Granted, I was sitting up front. Perhaps the rear of the theater is plagued by the tin can effect. I agree that it would be good to see KC play in a better venue, say one with seats in a nicer neighborhood. I thought the State Theater worked well for them in 1995. Also, the best choice for acoustics in S.E. Michigan has got to be Hill Auditorium in Ann Arbor. As far as the price goes, I don't think $30 is way out of line. Compare the $30 King Crimson ticket to the price of other concerts in Detroit. (Note: the following has no reflection on my musical taste. This is simply a sample of other groups playing in the Detroit area this Fall.) Bob Dylan: $32.50 - $38.50 Bon Jovi: $32.50 - $45 Limp Bizkit: $38.50 Barenaked Ladies $32.50 - $45 Little Feat: $25 Deftones: $25 Dio: $20.50 Tragically Hip: $27.50 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:12:37 -0400 From: "Dennis Wiens" Subject: back up band Does any one know if any artist is "warm up" for KC? regards Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:38:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Darryl Subject: 'Trio'/Heavy ConstruKction/Lark's... Hello Elephant Barkers, Just 3 things I wanted to mention: 1) Speaking of the '73-'74 24-bit remasters, why is Bruford credited on the song 'Trio'? As far as I am aware this was a live improv where Bill was the only one not playing. As others have mentioned, on the DGM site it says the '73-'74 remasters would be available in October, however, I say them in the stores in September here(Canada). The '80s remasters are supposed to be released in February, does this mean they'll be in stores in January or perhaps even available as a Christmas present? 2) Does anyone know if the tracklist for "Heavy ConstruKction" is listed anywhere on the Web? Are the first 2 discs one setlist split in 2 or will there be some of the same songs on both? 3) This is something that's been bugging me ever since TCoL came out: Why is 'Lark's Tongues..' the only song that continues to be revived on studio albums? (If I recall correctly, 'FraKctured' was going to be 'Lark's V'). If the band(or just Fripp) is going to re-work older songs than why not 'Son of Schizoid Man', or perhaps 'Zebra Talk', where Ade could sing the rest of the alphabet(f-z). Darryl PS. What the hell does 'IIRC' mean? I never read it in my life(that I remember) before ET#751 where it was typed a few times. [ IIRC == If I remember Correctly -- Toby ] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:42:34 +0200 From: John Sowerby Subject: The 9:30 Club, DC >>>>>>NYC isn't the only place. The Washington, D.C. venue for Crimson, the >9:30 Club, is another standing-only venue. P2 played there and it >apparently made a good impression on Fripp, Belew and Gunn.>>>>> > It's a nice club, with pretty good sound, and no problems with sightlines or anything like that. It is however, in a not particularly nice area of DC. They do have a guarded parking lot, but you cannot get your car out until the end of the show. John. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:11:13 +1000 From: Dudley Arthur Horque Subject: Let's try to force some airplay A local radio station (KO-FM) is putting together an "All Request Top 500 Songs" and I thought it'd be great if we can try to get a little King Crimson in the list. The top 500 will be played on 30 October (which is several hours earlier here in Australia than in the USofA). I suggest we all vote for at least one track the same, and I propose that we all vote for Court of the Crimson King (not so much because it's a favourite of mine, but more because they're more likely to be able to find it than many other tracks). The voting form is at http://www.kofm.com.au/promotions/allrequest/index.htm Thanks. Sorry for the late notification, but I don't listen to the station much. Any Aussies out here want to try to get some Crimso on Triple J's Net 50? Dudley .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Dudley Arthur Horque Tel & Fax: (02) 49673 036 Cafe Creativity 23 Rawson Street Work: (02) 49212 509 . Cartoons Mayfield, NSW 2304 OS dial: +61 leave off 0 . DTP & Web Pages AUSTRALIA email: Dudley_Horque at email dot com . Program Design & Dev Mobile: (041)1447504 WWW: http://i.am/Dudley.Horque/ Icy Cue 55750722 Alternative WWW URL: www.fastlink.com.au/subscrib/horque/index.htm Alternative email: Dudley dot Horque at i dot am (phasing out horque at usa dot net) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:00:29 -0400 From: Mark Chapman Subject: Fillmore Gigs Hello, In 751, Jorge J. wrote... > I just saw three shows of Krimson at the Fillmore in > San Francisco and one of the fans which I was chatting > before the gig came up with this controversy, and I > know that he is not the only one, I think this new > line up is just different to the old one and that > doesn't mean that is better or worse than the old one, > it's just different, and after that 3 shows is > obviously a good one.... I certainly miss the bruford > snare and the tony's stick but I also enjoy a lot the > mastelloto performance and the hyper-fluency of Gunn > playing the touch guitar, it is for me a good sign... > what do you guys think? I think that's one hell of a long sentence, is what I think. ~Chaps ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:15:22 -0500 From: "David F. Snyder" Subject: Oh no, not again! Regarding the following ET newsletter post: > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:09:54 -0700 (PDT) > From: Jorge Luis Jimenez > Subject: Bruford/Levin vs Mastelloto/Gunn > > I just saw three shows of Krimson at the Fillmore in > San Francisco and one of the fans which I was chatting > before the gig came up with this controversy, and I > know that he is not the only one, I think this new > line up is just different to the old one and that > doesn't mean that is better or worse than the old one, > it's just different, and after that 3 shows is > obviously a good one.... I certainly miss the bruford > snare and the tony's stick but I also enjoy a lot the > mastelloto performance and the hyper-fluency of Gunn > playing the touch guitar, it is for me a good sign... > what do you guys think? I think this particular "controversy" has been discussed to the point that I feel nauseous whenever I see it mentioned. Mr. Jimenez should peruse the newsletter archives, for there is nothing new or interesting that a KC enthusiast can say on this matter. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:37:34 -0200 From: luprates Subject: For those archivists. I don't remember anymore,but there was a link or some place in ET that had an archive with the release dates,catalog numbers,etc. regarding the Crimso discography. For whom it may concern,being a Brazilian, I have a short list of Brazilian releases and their numbers,date of release,etc. There's more to come,and some will be amazed in the lack of attention and delay of release in these pressings. To start with,they are,perhaps,the worst pressings made with the worst vinyl--of course,I've bought only European/American releases for the last years,but there's a few bits of garbage left in my shelves. Here we go: In the Court Of The Crimson King--Island/Phonogram(No catalogue number yet;gotta check out,mine is long gone and replaced by the original ILPS 9111 pressing from England.). Release date:1973--ouch!(To make it worse,it's a single cover. A gatefold version came out on Atlantic/Continental later in 1975,with an ugly red atlantic logo and "KING CRIMSON" written on the schizoid man's forehead!) In The Wake Of Poseidon--Long gone,but first pressing is Atlantic/WEA 30.150. Release Date:1976 Lizard--Atco/Continental(no nr. yet). Release Date:1972(No gatefold--just the lyrics from the inner sleeve in black and white on the back) Islands--Atco/Continental ATLP 020. Release Date:1972(It's the worst: the front cover is the Band photo from the inner sleeve,and of couse,the lyrics are in the back) Larks' Tongues in Aspic--Atco/Continental ATLP 049. Release date: September 1973 (Detail: everything is banded in the album,so things like the climax of "Talking Drum"going right on to "Larks' II" are cut by some seconds of silence...) Starless and Bible Black--Atco/Continental ATLP 077.Release date: June 1974 Red--Atlantic/Continental(no nr. yet). Release date: 1975 USA--Atlantic/Continental 3-17-404-033. Release date: March 1976 (A bit later WEA discos--Brazilian division of WEA-- would take over and make a few better pressings from the first two albums,the remainder being left out of catalogue.) What one could say but: "Oh,boy..." ? Hoping that one might find anything useful... See ya,F.C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:09:01 -0700 From: "Larry Terrano" Subject: GIG REVIEW: L.A. Oct. 23, 2000 Arriving at the House of Blues at 6:00 P.M. my friend and I were treated to an unexpected dinner serinade: Crimson doing their soundcheck! We were able to watch from the balcony as they ran through parts of "Red" and "tCoL". After the soundcheck, Robert appeared upstairs looking for someone or perhaps something to eat, we wished him a Happy Birthday, but apparently he didn't here us. Anyway, being respectful of his space, we most certainly did not force our attention upon him. The sound check was most impressive as they manuvered through the interwined guitar parts a few times. We were impressed. We also were the first ones admitted to the concert area (just show your dinner receipt and ya get bumped ahead of everyone else). It was sold-out or as close as possible. We were able to get seating on a section of barstools stage right (near Robert). The crowd was great. Diehard Crimson fans from 1969 to twenty-somethings of the year 2000. After fifteen minutes of Fripp's soundscapes, at 9:15 the band, as they say, hit the stage. "Red" was the opener and was exquisite. "Thela" followed and despite the presence of the vocal samples, kept the pace going. Next, I believe, was "tCoL", a masterpiece, period. You need to see them do this, as well as "Fracktured", live to see how remarkable this band is. The rest of the set was pretty much what has been posted here already. There were three encores. It was a fantastic band and a fantastic audience. My only complaint was the P.A. systems inadaquacy to deliver a clear, quality vocal. Thank You Trey, Robert, Pat and Adrian for an exceptional musical experience. See you next time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:57:30 -0700 From: "btpmsi" Subject: GIG REVIEW: My trip to San Francisco/ Kids at KC shows Dear all, The show that almost didn't happen........ for me. Stuck in Portland Airport by the Air Traffic Control glitch in LA, sitting on the ground wondering if I'd ever make it in time. Barely missing the monster traffic jam on the way up from San Jose airport. Finding out that my beloved 'Winterland' is now Condos. Pizza and Guinness, then off to the Fillmore. I met Betty Cantor behind the counter at the Fillmore shop and felt like I'd met a real celeb! ;O) All you Deadheads past and present will know what I mean. Question: Was this going to be the first time Mr. Fripp returns to the Fillmore since playing here in 1969?? Can someone who was there (in '69) verify this? The line had formed partway down the block past the Post office on Geary by the time we arrived (I hope Biffy made it OK) and in no time we were inside. The bartender lady said that the soundcheck had been "very Loud" These were her only comments. The show itself was NOT too loud, really quite comfortable. Speaking of ladies there seemed to be a fair number of them present including a couple of families with pretty young kids say around 9-10 y.o. they seemed to be well stocked with ear protection for the youngsters, which is a good thing I feel. Can someone post a Set list for this show? I could have sworn they opened with Larks 4, but that seems a little crazy . Mr. Fripp stated they started with three difficult pieces on purpose and Larks 4 would fit the bill. Frying Pan was a heavy hitter. As was Prozak and blistering version of RED!!! I will never forget the eyes of the audience glued to Mr. Fripp during Frakctured, mouths agape, stunned expressions- sakes he was simply blazing! All-in-All a really suitable mix of New and old, Bone crunching and blissful. After the first three songs the sound issues seemed resolved to my satisfaction. Adrian's voice got lost at times, as did Treys guitar/bass. They had Fripp's guitar sound panned way around to the right, but still loud enough to hear clearly from our spot about 20 feet back/ center stage. I saw a guy get pulled from the crowd right in front of me after foolishly holding his camera over his head to take a picture. I smelled lots of Pot being consumed, but almost no cigarettes.The crowd was really bopping along to some of the old hits and that version of "Thrush" towards the end really was stunning-Trey finally got a chance to step out! After having come that far to see this my ninth KC show, I have come away with a very positive impression of this band, and am very glad I made the effort to get there. Funny, I ended up watching Mr. Gunn more than anyone, he just seems to get better and better and seeing this new stuff performed live will give you a real understanding of what they're trying to do. Great band, great audience, great venue! Now please guys , come to Seattle and Portland!! Cheers, Brian Perkins W. Linn, OR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:58:23 -0500 From: "Aaron P Deglanville" <"aaron_deglanville"@uhc.com> Subject: GIG REVIEW: Fillmore shows 10/19, 10/21 (Thurs & Sat) Of course questions, feedback, and help filling the gaps in my memory are all appreciated (and no doubt others will soon be filling in the Friday gap). These were my first ever KC shows: two very special nights that were enjoyed very much on balance. But blindly devoted KC fans who take offense at any critique of their sacred cow are encouraged to stop reading now. Set lists, approximate order (working entirely from memory): THURS: LTiA IV Coda (I Have a Dream) TCoL Frying Pan FraKctured Thela Hun Ginjeet One Time Dinosaur Frame by Frame ProzaKc Blues Red ToaPP Deception of the Thrush...? Elephant Talk "Heroes" SAT: VROOM TCoL FraKctured Thela Hun Ginjeet Frame by Frame One Time Oyster Soup LTiA IV Coda (...Dream) Cage Elephant Talk I Left my Heart in San Francisco ToaPP Thrush...? Red Heroes My apologies for any inaccuracies... I'm sure I have the order of the middle parts of the sets a bit jumbled, and someone else will have to confirm Thrush--I had never heard it, and the person who told me didn't seem sure. It is immensely impressive to me in retrospect that KC began the first of their 3 SF shows (the very first show of the US tour, no less) with what may be the most difficult songs in their repertoire: LTiA IV, TCoL, and FraKctured were all played very early on--a ballsy if inadvisable choice. LTiA IV began unevenly, plagued by intermittent timing errors until finding its feet about halfway through. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:10:50 -0700 From: Adrian Cockcroft Subject: GIG REVIEW: Friday 20th Oct at the Filmore A the time I didn't realize that the set was cut short because of a flash photo, and I'm pissed off that some idiot in the audience deprived everyone else of some music by breaking the rules. Maybe a big sign at the door saying that cameras will be confiscated and not returned would help... For the Gig itself, I was happy to see KC play live for the first time. I thought the opening Red and Thela were much less interesting musically than the new tracks from TCOL, and TCOL itself and FraKCtured were as amazing to watch as they are to listen to. A couple of pieces were unfamiliar to me, in one Fripp was making bass guitar sounds and Trey played a lead guitar solo without changing their instruments (but presumably employing some electrickery). I was accompanied by two lady friends who didn't know KC music at all, and they were very impressed, both by the music as a whole and by the display of virtuosity. My own big revelation was the almost balletic way that Trey swoops and slides onto his touch bass, a joy to watch. We watched from the top left balcony, and had an excellent view down onto the stage, facing Fripp almost head on to get a good view of his flying fingers. The sound from up there was terrible, bass heavy and indistinct. I spent some time standing in front of the mixing desk, and found that the sound was extremely good, as I'm over 6' tall I could see from there, but my shorter friends would have seen nothing so put up with the poor mix upstairs. Next time I'll just have to go every night to make sure I have a chance to see the whole set I guess... Tracks I wanted/expected to hear and missed: ProsaKc Blues, One Time (my personal favourite), and Heroes. Finally a big thank you to Robert, Adrian, Trey and Pat for a very special evening of music. Adrian ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #752 ********************************