Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #743 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 743 Friday, 13 October 2000 Today's Topics: GIG BIZ: 1 ticket, KC @ Fillmore, 21 Oct GIG BIZ: Ticket Trade for NYC show? Favre-BLUE-Yeti Mincer remasters Eno/Cluster The 'Trilogy' The Unissued, yet Manifestly Essential, Fripp & Eno Where is KC's USA release? A couple of recent "sightings" FraKctured Fairy Tale No talking! And No spitting! And wipe that smirk off your face! Mastica is like glue A proper introduction packaging hazard w/24bit LTIA Re: Crimson Red GIG REVIEW: Japan Tour(10/7, 9, 10) ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Aranda Subject: GIG BIZ: 1 ticket, KC @ Fillmore, 21 Oct Folks, I have one extra ticket for the King Crimson concert at the Fillmore (San Francisco) on the Saturday, 21 Oct 2000 (9pm, gen adm). $41.65 (ticket price plus half the service charges). Contact: gra-et at groon dot com -- This is Greg Aranda, broadcasting from beautiful Sunnyvale, CA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:37:39 -0400 From: Mark Clements Subject: GIG BIZ: Ticket Trade for NYC show? Greetings, all. In a classic example of miscommunication between a friend and I, we both purchased tickets to the Town Hall KC show on Tuesday, November 14. Hopefully, there are some of you out there with a neatly dovetailing situation, and would like to trade tickets. If you have two extra tix for either of the Supper Club shows (11/12 or 11/13) and would like to trade them for two seats (Balcony, Row B, seats 25 & 27) to the Town Hall show, please contact me via email. Many Thanks, and enjoy the shows. Mark Clements mclements at rcn dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jan geerts Subject: Favre-BLUE-Yeti 'ello'ello'ello, firstly an answer : the BLUE concert is still available at www.hob.com . Check the archived concerts, there's a lot of other great stuff as well, such as Magma and Porcupine Tree. Secondly, thanks to the person who adviced Yeti : great Zheul, a heavy rock version of Magma as I perceive it. And lastly, my questions : I recently received KCCC5-6, which I enjoy very much. There's a piece by Favre on it, 'Prism', a drummers' piece, and particulary Bill is just scary on this one. Now, while fondling:) the jewel case, I noticed on the side this caucasian man with a zappa like moustache and goatie. Could this be Favre? Can anyone recommend me works by him? slu, Jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:33:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Mincer > Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:48:36 -0400 > From: "Gull, Hector" > Subject: A question regarding "The Mincer" > > It's been a long time since I listen to SABB, I recently purchase the 30th > anniversary LTD Ed. to find that "The Mincer" ends as if the tape run-out, > is this the case or is the CD defective? It has always ended that way. The tape-runout was left there on purpose. -S. "Screw Charity!" -- T. Herman Zweibel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:32:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: remasters > Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:52:40 +0200 (MEST) > From: Sidney Wiener > Subject: Remasters are brilliant > > Just got the remastered 24 bit LTIA and S&BB, and am stunned by the quality of > the pressing and delighted by the presentation (and of course rediscovering > that some of my favorite music has passages that only hints of remain on my > well worn vinyl LPs). The leaflets are priceless - great photos and hilarious > negative concert reviews from the era that make the reviewers sound like > charlatans. > > Got these on sale at the same huge store in Paris that doesn't carry DGM > anymore (reading between the lines, I wouldnt be surprised if they tried to > muscle DGM for freebies or kickbacks and DGM wouldnt cave in)- but these > remasters are on the Virgin label. So maybe DGM is giving up to the cutthroat > competitiveness of the marketplace. It seems that they are swimming with > sharks, and there is likely a certain interest on the part of many sectors of > the industry to see direct distribution by artists be considered a failure. Virgin is the distributor for King Crimson product and has been for some years now; they may even own the back catalog, I'm not sure what the status is these days. So it's not a matter of DGM 'giving up', they seem to ahve recognized *years ago* that Virgin has more distribution and marketing clout than they ever could, and that their front-line product deserves it. -S. "Screw Charity!" -- T. Herman Zweibel ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 00 17:44:15 EDT From: James Dusewicz Subject: Eno/Cluster Yes! The three Eno/Cluster? albums are out on CD. I own them. The Eno/Cluster music can best be described as very, very spacy. It in fact closely resembles SEASTONES(1975) by Lesh/Lagin. This is some very far out there sonic experiments. jim campaigner at usa dot net James Dusewicz ------------------------------ Date: 10 Oct 00 17:52:46 EDT From: James Dusewicz Subject: The 'Trilogy' The Bowie/Eno/Fripp 'trilogy' is: Low(1977) Heroes(1977) Lodger(1979) Fripp also appears on Scary Monsters(1980). jim crazyhjhd at yahoo dot com James Dusewicz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:00:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Chase Subject: The Unissued, yet Manifestly Essential, Fripp & Eno Basically all I wanted to say was that I read some postings about F&E in the last few issues, and felt I had to again encourage all of you to lobby for dude to let loose with that Paris Olympia concert from May of 1975, from which part of "Evening Star" is taken. I have a complete show taken I think from a French radio broadcast, and lemme just tell ya you all have gotta bust his ASS until he kicks that sucker down, especially the sequence where Bob & Brian leave the stage just a wee bit stoned while the MC comes out and begs the unpleased audience to stop smoking so much herb. I kid you not... as I've said a million times, this is a true "ambient classic" and bears (at least) a CC release if not a broader one at that. If RF won't do it because of some negative association he might have with the place and time of that concert (I've heard him say that F&E were booed off the stage, but from the tape it's really obvious that the crowd is boo-ing the notion that they will have to stub out their spliffs if the concert is to go on), then he needs to understand that no one sees us as we see ourselves... and besides it's an important document in the history of what we now call "electronica" or "ambient". OK, forget the labels of limitation Bob, just don't make me have to settle for a 4th-generation, quarter-century old bootleg for the rest of my life... pretty please? Josh Oakland, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:33:03 -0400 From: "RAYMOND RAUPERS" Subject: Where is KC's USA release? Actions and inactions can be curious partners. Fripp's intense post to ET regarding the gifting of CDR copies of the long out-of-print "USA", stirred hope in his obedient and compliant "fans" opting to wait for the official release. Fripp's inaction to supply the product must now instill a sad curiosity in those same customers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:30:52 -0400 From: Jim Bailey Subject: A couple of recent "sightings" Greetings folks, During my recent invasion of England I happened to come across two things with RF/KC connections. First was Toyah on "Call My Bluff" (I'm surprised that this wasn't mentioned before now) somewhere near the beginning of September. Those with any doubts about Robert's sense of taste need only gaze upon her countenance for the briefest time to dispell any such thoughts. Second was during a shopping trip to Sainsbury's. Apparently there is one of those hot-lemon-flavoured cold/flu remedies called (get this) "Lemsip." Do any of you British cold sufferers happen to know if this stuff was around before KC used it for one of the titles on GD (wherein it contains Shark's Lungs)? Perhaps if someone has a box, they could take a snap for the sightings page? That's all from me for now. Ta-ta. Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:43:21 -0400 From: "Josh Chasin" Subject: FraKctured Fairy Tale I for one simply cannot abide the song FraKctured, and am thrilled that as a lone audient I have the power to keep it out of the set list at all three NY shows. Excellent!! Anyone know what the second song is on the list of material I have been empowered to keep the band from playing? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:51:16 -0400 From: "Josh Chasin" Subject: No talking! And No spitting! And wipe that smirk off your face! Henning apparently wrote: >>>>>Of course they have every right to do that (but it would be nice if they said so at the beginning of the show).>>>>> To which Grant Colburn replied, in ET 742: >>>>>But YOU know right now! Obviously they have already told you before the show even started, so "niceties" have already been covered. They have said so, you just don't agree....>>>>> Can we once and for all agree on these two absurdly obvious points? 1. Yes, the 600 or so of us, spread across six continents and I don't know how many countries, all know the rules. This no longer need be debated. 2. On occasion, and against all odds, someone besides the 600 of us actually manages to sneak into a Crimson show. (By the way, this might be a good place to point out that my previous post before this one was made with tongue firmly in cheek, although I am confident my Crimsoid brethren and sistren picked that up.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:44:13 -0500 From: "David F. Snyder" Subject: Mastica is like glue >Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2000 21:43:30 -0500 >From: Craig >Subject: Re: MASTICA > ... >Just what is Mastica like? > >~Craig > I saw Mastica with PM in Austin Sept.3 during the break in Crim's tour (they are also good even without PM). This is not easy music to describe. I do have a review of that performance on the Mastica website ( www.mastica.net ). Gum B. has some of the coolest, unusual bass sounds I've heard in a while. Plus there's sax, clarinet, bass clarinet, soundscaping keyboard and, of course, very creative percussion work. In fact, PM at the performance used a lot of skin drums, not hardly any of a standard kit; one time, he even bent/popped a cymbal to get the sounds he wanted. This is not a guitarist's band per se, but the compositions are pretty innovative. Monica (Munky) has an excellent voice and good improvisations. Plus they're all great people. It is worth dropping the money on the CD. For some, this music also activates the libido (independent opinions of two separate women -- one on the website, the other my s ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:00:20 -0700 From: "Richard Dan Ishoodbee" Subject: A proper introduction >Ah, so though you wouldn't ever be rude, you're quite willing to >blether >with a notional Ade and ruin my enjoyment of the movie by >talking >through it. Well *thanks*! Though maybe I'm safe, because >Adrian may >well be more polite to those sitting around him than that, and/or >may >also want to watch himself... Oh wow, I have always believed that people considered it rude to blether on in any circumstances, not to mention while someone is engulfed in a piece of art. Remember also, at fine theaters where the elite sometimes gather there is a considerable deal of milling about and hob-knobbing before and after a film, especially among elite individuals like Mr. Belew as well as myself and my fellow billionaires. I suppose an introduction is in order; I am Richard Dan Ishoodbee one of the infamous Billionaires for Bush(or Gore) http://www.BillionairesforBushorGore.com and I am richer than I should be because I have been part of the secret government operated drug war scam assisting the CIA on behalf of the US government in securing funds and secrecy for the continuing implementation of option 2 and option 3, but I digress. I too would like to encourage industrious fans to make telephone calls to the management of the venue you will be attending to encourage them specifically to make an announcement before the performance and to post clearly marked signs indicating that flash photography is expressly prohibited. Since they are the ones who have the discretion to deem conduct disorderly and are the arbiter of the contract that is the ticket according to the one I hold. If you examine the language on the ticket you can see that by using the ticket you assume "all risk and danger incidental to the event" including being "kicked, shot, struck etc." I suppose that both a set cut short, for whatever reason, as well as an individual interrupting your enjoyment of the show or even a combination of the two is included in that etc. part. There are those of us who would love to fan the flames on this issue causing resentment and fear to develop among the audience members. This makes for a great unnerving silent tension in the air that provides the perfect atmosphere to appreciate this particularly sonically terrifying assemblage of King Crimson. I personally think it would be rather entertaining to witness a group of any number of rabid King Crimson fans intent on protecting their own ability to enjoy the show in a melee ripping cameras from the necks of the ill informed and verbally bashing them for their presumptive attitudes, before the start of the show. Boy will they get the picture! Sincerely, Richard Dan Ishoodbee www.BillionairesforBushorGore.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:18:39 +0200 (MEST) From: Peter Clinch in ET #742 Subject: packaging hazard w/24bit LTIA Beautiful as the new packaging is, careful with the self-adhesive plastic sleeves on the new gatefolds (at least for European edition). The covers are in non-glossy mat cardboard, and the adhesive strip on the plastic sleeve removes the print on the gatefold. I'm clipping the adhesive off. Other solutions? Sid ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:51:03 -1000 From: "Tony Iremonger" Subject: Re: Crimson Red All this talk of photo-tronics and flipping birds puts me in mind of a similar experience of my own. Now down here in Melbourne, Australia the big thing for all the tourists to do is go down to a place called Phillip Island (which is about 2 hours south of the city),queue for a while, fork out some bucks, get a ticket, pay exhorbitant amounts for crappy food and watered down drinks, pay some more for the souvenir programme, buy a t-shirt and maybe a cap and a couple of fridge magnets, and then wander out and find somewhere to sit on some very uncomfortable seating to await the performance. This may sound a bit like a KC concert but in fact the venue is a small wind-swept beach where every evening at precisely 12.37 minutes after sunset (or thereabouts) small groups of Fairy Penguins come out of the water and stumble blindly accross the sand in the glare of the floodlit beach, running the gauntlet of several hundred gawking tourists, struggling up through the dunes, under the maze of board-walks and wire netting to finally reach their burrows and get a good night's sleep after a hard day's fishing and doing whatever else little 12" penguins get up to when they are far away to sea. This by the way is Victoria's Number 1 tourist destination which might explain why 95% of tourists coming to Australia go to Sydney and the Gold Coast. Anyway, the number one rule for all people watching the Penguin Parade is NO FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY!!! The signs are everywhere. There are anouncements while you queue for tickets. There are announcements while you sit on the beach waiting for the sunset. There are signs in different languages. There are signs that are pictures of flash bulbs with big red X's through them. In short, it is imposible not to know that FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY IS NOT PERMITTED. Now, after living in Melbourne for over twenty years, I finally made it to see the Penguins about two years ago when my wife and I took a Chinese visitor to see them. Needless to say, after viewing assorted Penguin exhibits, multi-media penguin educational displays and buying the pre-requisite fridge magnet I slowly bean to overcome my initial scepticism and cynicism and began to warm to the whole Phillip Island Fairy Penguin Parade Exerience. We took our seats in the stand and quietly hoped that all the tall people in front wouldn't stand as soon as the show started. The sun sank lower and lower finally casting an orange glow over the surface of the calm sea. An expectant hush descended on the crowd. We waited. Then, out of the foam, a figure emerged. A loan Fairy Penguin. He shook the water from his feathers and looked around. Something was wrong. He was too far down the beach. He appeared confused. He took his bearings and started diagonally up the beach closer and closer to the audience. Soon he was only a few metres from the front row as he made his way accross the beach looking for the gap in the stand that would enable him to get to the dunes. People craned their necks to see - ooing and aahing at the wonder of it all. And then..... There was a sudden blinding flash of light! Some fuckwit had either managed to remain totally ignorant of the number one rule or was just too arrogant to care (or just maybe didn't RTFM for his/her camera) and had photographed the penguin using FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY. There was a instantaneous uproar from the crowd and everyone turned to glare in the direction of the FLASHER instantly shaming that person with their collective disapproval. The Fairy Penguin, stunned by the light, stumbled. It blinked it's little eyes and staggered about dazed and disorientated. Finally it turned in the direction of the calming waves and, leaving the stage, made it's way back to the refuge of the sea. It was too late, the magic of the moment had been destroyed by one simple ignorant act. Small Children were emotionally scarred for life, grown adults wept at the humanity, and I counted the cost of the fuel, the tickets, the crappy food, the watered down drinks, the souvenir booklet, the t-shirt, the cap and the damn fridge magnet. Robert Fripp is that Penguin. And a KC venue should is like the Penguin Sanctuary at Phillip Island. Rule No 1: NO FLASH PHOTOGRAPHY. Tony Iremonger Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:01:55 +0900 From: Takaaki Higuchi Subject: GIG REVIEW: Japan Tour(10/7, 9, 10) At first, I'd like to correct the date I posted on the Subject "GIG REVIEW: Japan Tour(10/2,3,4,5)". As most of you have already noticed that the latter "Date: October 4th" should be "Date: October 5th". ------- >Date: October 7th, 2000 17:05-18:45 >Venue: Shibuya Kokaido, Shibuya, Tokyo 5th Gig in Japan. Opened with Red, Frame By Frame, The Construction Of Light, Into The Flying Pan, FraKctured....One Time, Lark's IV, Cage, Elephant Talk.. and closed with Vrooom. Only two encores on this day. The Deception of Thrush and Oyster Soup. I heard Adrian caught cold at that time, so the show was shorter than any other days. ------- >Date: October 9th, 2000 18:05-19:55 >Venue: Nagoya City Kokaido, Nagoya, Aichi 6th Gig in Japan. Opened with Thela Hun Ginjeet, Red, The Construction Of Light, Into The Flying Pan, FraKctured, Prozac Blues, Dinosaur, ProjeKct ?, Elephant Talk and closed with Vrooom. First encore: Three of a Perfect Pair, and Oyster Soup. Last encore: The Deception of Thrush I think this gig was the best of in these days, especially FraKctured and part IV were the best. ------- >Date: October 10th, 2000 19:05-20:58 >Venue: Festival Hall, Osaka, Osaka 7th Gig in Japan. Opened with Vrooom, Thela Hun Ginjeet, The Construction Of Light, Into The Flying Pan, FraKctured, Oyster Soup, Dinosaur, ProjeKct ?, Lark's IV-Coda: I Have a Dream, ProjeKct D?, Elephant Talk and closed with Red. First encore: Three of a Perfect Pair, The Deception of Thrush Last encore: Cage, Heroes(welcome back again) "ProjeKct D" was I saw that on the set list of sound board staff's. I'm not sure this is new or not, because I'm not an ensuthiastic listner of ProjeKcts. I think this set list is the best configuration at this time. I don't think starting with Red is good. Red should be played in the latter part, I believe. Regarding the sounds, Fripp's guitar was louder than other gigs. I've finally noticed that the note PC behind Trey Gunn is making the backscreen on the stage. (Too late?) regards, Takaaki Higuchi ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #743 ********************************