Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #740 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 740 Friday, 6 October 2000 Today's Topics: GIG BIZ: Cleveland KC show Japanese Crim Remasters Re: Barlow Latest Re-Issues Hyde Park show Surevys & misunderstood posts cover tunes Re: the right of King Crimson to perform as themself misc. The Becoming Remasters are brilliant A question regarding "The Mincer" PRISM and ramblings... Les Claypool's Fabulous Flying Frog Brigade Fwd: The Hornets nest Re: SPLaTTeRCeLL (new release) ET #735 and the right of King Crimson to perform as themself. Fripp on Eno's disc Tokyo Trakclist is unfair for Euro Kc fans !! TGD coverart KC tour - musician position Decieved by Set Lists? ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: RS Subject: GIG BIZ: Cleveland KC show If anyone is coming to the Cleveland show in November, and wants to meet up before or after the show drop me a line. RS kingcrimson2 at yahoo dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:57:30 -0700 From: "Cort Snyder" Subject: Japanese Crim Remasters Readers of ET will be interested to learn that the Japanese 24-bit Remasters of "Larks' Tongues In Aspic", "Starless and Bible Black", and "Red" are SILVER CDs, NOT GOLD CDs as were the earlier titles in the series. Cort Snyder postmaster at petdesires dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: Barlow >Curious as to whether Robert or other ETers have had the opportunity to >read "The Next Economy of Ideas, Will Copyright Survive The Napster Bomb? >Nope, But Creativity Will" in the October 2000 issue of Wired Magazine. Mr. Barlow's opinions on copyright on the Internet age have been available on the Internet for some time (if not this specific article). He seems to think that the invention of a new technology somehow invalidates the idea of copyright and that all musicians should make a living from live performance rather than from royalties. Personally, I'm glad that there are musicians such as RF who understand the importance of copyright and the reasons why musicians need *more* copyright protection, not less. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:23:27 EDT From: "who what" Subject: Latest Re-Issues Though the DGM website still states that the latest trio of KC re-issues are due in the stores October 17, I purchased them (gatefold versions) at Newbury Comics in Boston today (10/3). ??? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:50:30 -0400 From: "James J. Hannigan" Subject: Hyde Park show What exactly is going on with this club release? I'm beginning to think I should buy that boot for sale down the street. Jim Hannigan Excerpt from "This Is Spinal Tap": Derek: But what about the album, Ian? Ian: It's a very unimportant reason, it's just that they're experimenting with, with some new uh...packaging materials. Let me get the door. Derek: What kind of experimenting? What they got monkeys opening it or what? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:26:50 -0400 From: Michael McGrath Subject: Surevys & misunderstood posts Laurent Masse found it appropriate to quote an earlier posting of mine, which some other ETers did publicly & others via private email. I will say, though at first questioning that post, all ETers who contacted me privately, I believe, understood clearly the point I wasmaking after our communications, unlike Laurent, who took the comment about FraKctured and ran with it and came up with something about money. Possibly my way of thinking isn't agreed with, but if Toby will let me have the time I will explain where I am coming from. First, I have been listening/seeing /experiencing the music put forth by RF & KC since 1974. I personally believe RF the most incredibly talented guitarist ever, bar none. My first live show was RF solo at The Kitchen in NYC in the mid 70's, where he performed an outstanding "No Pussyfooting". And, the tickets were $6. But, I'd better get off that, or someone will miss the point and think I am talking about money. All artists and/or entertainers are, once recognized, a celebrity to some extent or another. And, celebrities attract all types: people who write/call their home, stalk them, yell obscenities at performances, completely disregard the rules, etc. Some celebrities hire bodyguards, keep secret where they eat, drink, and be merry, are recluses, or show up everywhere they will be noticed. But the undisputed fact is the pains in the ass will be there, too - because it is inevitable these screwballs come out of the woodwork once celebrity status is reached, no matter how great or minor that celebrity status is. The celebrity, each exclusive, handles it the way they see fit. Can we agree that actors - namely stage actors - are artists? Imagine if on a Broadway stage, an audience member took a photo... which is expressly forbidden? Should one cast member decide that that scene should be cut, or the play should be stopped or rushed through? And, before anyone jumps on that, I will restate 'should the ensemble decide' (people have a way of taking one sentence and turning it around to their needs). During the World Series, if someone throws something out onto the field (which frequently happens), should a team member, or an entire team, decide they can't tolerate this and leave the field? These things, though intolerable, unfortunately will occur at ballfields, theaters... and concert performances. And, with some of the posts in response to my first post on this subject, it seems some of ETers think the play should be stopped, the game canceled, etc. Though Laurent seemed so happy to try and twist it into a money thing, I am only stating that it happens and will happen, I know it and any celebrity knows it. Me saying it's risky, to put it another way, is to say "Should we go to see Phantom of The Opera on Broadway tonight? What if they rush through the play because ONE audience member is rude? Do I really want to take the chance?" Well, it's no chance, as the artists on stage will not rush through it... It could happen, and they'll get it together again, and continue the show. It's a thought, that's all. I'd avoid politics if I were you, Laurent... where'd you get I was so concerned about money? I can't be responsible for another audience member. I despise those people, like those whom I've seen recording at The Atrium, and those who fuck up Fripp's head by taking a photo when asked not to. But, I can't do anything about it. I've seen RF so many times, it is apparent in his music and on his face where he has been disturbed. And, I hate the person(s) in the audience who have orchestrated it. And, I sit there thinking "Come on, Robert, fuck 'em, you can get past that BS". And, every time I've seen him, he has. To which I'm grateful, because I can do nothing about it, I came to see him (them), I've done nothing improper, and would feel I was being held responsible by way of the show not being what it could have been, when I feel as a experienced artist they would be able to get past that. My making a point saying "should the audience ask for a refund" was just that, only making a point. Sorry to disappoint you Laurent, know you thought you were onto something twisting it about. We, as the audience, tolerate this behavior also; aren't all of us, at one show or another, mesmerized by what we're hearing? And when some jerk snaps a photo, doesn't it through us off? Yes, I know we're not the ones playing on stage, but I - just a concert goer - have learned to get past that, because I learned 27 years ago that it happens, but I insist that nothing or no-one will ruin my evening. WE ARE FANS, and have set aside time in our lives to see live what we so thoroughly enjoy in our homes. Does that count for anything? Well, that's it. I won't respond again to this, as I hopefully have made it clear that I am a long time and tremendous fan. That I hate people who disrespect any artist, entertainer, or member of society at large. Money has never been an issue (sorry again Laurent). I just want my presence (and other conscientious audience members who are at the show) to affect the psyche of the artist as being equally as important - if not more - as the moron with the camera. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 23:56:49 -0700 From: "tom" Subject: cover tunes Hi All: As a long time fan of the band (first saw them open for the Eagles (Egos) in '73 in Berkeley while a young chile) I'd love to hear/see them do a cover or two; especially such tunes as "Born on a Bayou" (very modal and dark w/ lots of room to move), "Dear Prudence" (Mmmmmmmm... ((as Homer would say)) ...Beatles!), and how about something funky like "It's Yor Thang" by Sam and Dave, (just rearrange and work to taste) These guys are great musicians and could probably do something very interesting w/ whatever cover they played. So, lads, if any of you come across this post, please, consider my suggestion. Surprise us! Tom from Oakland (Go A's and Giants) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:23:35 +0200 From: masse at geocean dot u-bordeaux dot fr (Laurent MASSE) Subject: Re: the right of King Crimson to perform as themself >capable of releasing THREE DAYS OF COMBINED SUNLIGHT INTO ONE BURST OF >LIGHT ENERGY is out there and being engaged for use AT me. It never That's probably it Trey. A flash camera at a KC concert is like an explosion of light in a sonic environment. An act of terrorism against music. And night after night they try to keep together the shattered pieces of whatever may have slowly built before. Probably as exciting as giving an ambulance to wannabe astronauts. No wonder some nights, the drivers have to stop for a while to keep in touch with the stratosphear. >thise with Robert's point of view on this. (Obviously this doesn't apply to >those who are only playing musical instruments for show. Some >do, you know.) Is over 90% "some"? And did you notice how often the term "show" is used instead of concert? Basically because over 90% of "rock" concerts have turned into mere shows. And people bringing cameras to a KC concert think they are coming in for a show (they have paid!) which is in fact not on offer. Too bad they are not aware of the subtle difference. >that song or old, ancient, or even methuselistic material. Why are >you complaining about this? Why should we have to hear "In The Court >Of The Crimson Schwing" yet AGAIN? This is why we own the album -- to I remember somebody complaining that they didn't play anything from "Lizard" and "Islands" on this tour. Well, just imagine they decided to include "Sailor's Tale" in their setlist, with V-drums and rhythmic loops, Rubber Bass, spider fingers piano instead of "detuned banjo" and rhino blasts instead of Coltrane-ish sax? Everybody would then complain about the heresy, and that it just goes to show how X was much better than Y, and that those V-drums suck. So KC would eventually rename it "The Sailor's Return" on the next album just to mark the difference, but then everybody would complain that although OK, it's derivative, nothing new, and just goes to show how "Sailor's Tale" was much better. And whenever they decide not to play anything from CoL on a future tour, somebody will complain that..., and so on, eternally revelling in dissatisfaction but still there nonetheless. ___ Laurent Masse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:57:25 -0500 From: klla at juno dot com Subject: misc. Hello ETers, I've been reading ET for a while now but this is my first posting. Many other comments have stirred my interest, so please indulge me comment at random. Someone asked about pop music with odd meters. Sting is great example of writing very sophisticated music(incorporating odd meters and polyrhythms) that also has solid pop sensibilities. Check it out. Heck, if you listen to all of the Police recordings you will here a KC influence rear it's head now and then. Regarding RF's rules. What's the big deal? Have we becomes so disrespectful that we must thrust our expectations on these performers? You aren't aloud to take flash photography at the symphony or a gymnastics meet because it will DISTRACT THEIR PERFORMANCE! This is excepted as a reasonable request in these settings. I'm going to The Oct. 30 show in Chicago. It's 3 1/2 hours from Indianapolis. So please don't be disrespectful of the band's requests. I also here people complaining about them not playing old material at the shows. Aren't they doing mostly stuff from TCOL? Aren't LTIA4 and FracKtered(sp?) basically remakes of old KC. This is consistent with the spirit of the band. Thank God they aren't rehashing but do reference the old to make something new. I'm looking forward to the show! Finally......., V-Drums!! Some of you have an unfair bias here. I seem to remember Bill Bruford playing an acoustic/electronic hybrid drumset on the album Discipline. Being a drummer myself, let me tell you, It looked absolutely NUTS! But what brave and wonderful things he did with it. He eventually went all electronic. Did it sound like real drums? No, but they never really should IHO. After listening to Pat on P3, P4 and TCOL, I am simply blown away. Do I miss Bill in KC? Yes. Do I think Pat's contribution is better or worse than Bill. Apples and Oranges my friends. Feel free to comment. Let's all enjoy this band they are something special. Sincerely, Bryan Meyers P.S. Did any of you see Discipline in the record store in the movie High Fidelity? Also check out my bands website www.ashworthmusic.com . Not much like KC but I think we make quality music. Heck, we even opened for YES! Check it out! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:02:06 GMT From: "Martin Warin" Subject: The Becoming Peace to all! I found this book at www.bokus.se (swedish net-bookshop), 'The Becoming' by a Robert Fripp. Is it *the* Robert Fripp? In Fripp We Trust Martin Warin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:52:40 +0200 (MEST) From: Sidney Wiener Subject: Remasters are brilliant Just got the remastered 24 bit LTIA and S&BB, and am stunned by the quality of the pressing and delighted by the presentation (and of course rediscovering that some of my favorite music has passages that only hints of remain on my well worn vinyl LPs). The leaflets are priceless - great photos and hilarious negative concert reviews from the era that make the reviewers sound like charlatans. Got these on sale at the same huge store in Paris that doesn't carry DGM anymore (reading between the lines, I wouldnt be surprised if they tried to muscle DGM for freebies or kickbacks and DGM wouldnt cave in)- but these remasters are on the Virgin label. So maybe DGM is giving up to the cutthroat competitiveness of the marketplace. It seems that they are swimming with sharks, and there is likely a certain interest on the part of many sectors of the industry to see direct distribution by artists be considered a failure. The manager at big distributor said that he expected KC Live 73-74 (Great Deceiver) to be released soon (although we know that DGM has already re- released it). But since the GD cover (and also Nightwatch) appears in the leaflet in the new remasters, maybe we'll see them on Virgin also... Sid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:48:36 -0400 From: "Gull, Hector" Subject: A question regarding "The Mincer" It's been a long time since I listen to SABB, I recently purchase the 30th anniversary LTD Ed. to find that "The Mincer" ends as if the tape run-out, is this the case or is the CD defective? Hector Gull NonStop System Services Intria-HP Corporation % (416) 304-5411 * (416) 304-5288 hector dot gull at intria dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:42:05 EDT From: "Colin Beaumier" Subject: PRISM and ramblings... Hello all-- Colin here-- inventor of the "Thraak-attack Lamb Rack" also halfway through cooking school in Beautiful Hyde Park, NY... I had a request to any of our European Music fans....i have been directed that there is a copy of "Singing Drums" by Pierre Favre on CD in Germany or/and in France...I dunno if it would be possible to possibly ($$) work a deal with some great ET reader to mail me a copy with a COD check covering the cost+postage+ a little extra..... I have been looking for this for about 7 years now with no luck... If you will recall, this is the fine recording with the tune "Prism" on it among several others...Fredy Struder is on there too and he is terrific! Now to get "Philisophical" (oooh aaaah!) --I was getting ready for my last week at cooking school when I was told about a Jesuit Cemetary on the Culinary Institute of America's Campus (the school was an old Jesuit training institute), and I was told that there was someone famous in the "mystical" realm (again, oooh, aaaaah!)-- I went there to read one morning and sure enough, there buried among several other Jesuits (all deceased!) was Pierre Tailard de Chardin...i won't get into the whole gist of what he was about -- that can be achieved through a wander through askjeeves.com, but man, what a terrific journey of discovery-- I have been reading a lot of the Late Great Joseph Campbell and Jung and I had recalled some of Mr Fripp's plight towards the end of the 70's and how this world will be passing away as we know it and how he seemed pretty depressed...but HEY!, it is 2000 and there is a lot more work to be done and it seems that Mr. F has had a pretty cool adventure thus far-- not to rest on it-- PLEASE don't rest..., but I have been inspired by the writings of these two guys (de Chardin and Campbell) -- they seem to both say-- yeah, life is tough, but if you strive to make a difference, if you are honest about what your aim is, and you are constantly at work at it, then it CAN work, mistakes and all and it can be, I dunno, fun? I am a pretty big fan of Bill Bruford, but since having struggled with the cooking school discipline (food uses the same senses as music -- sound, sight, heart PLUS that of TASTE, baby....) I have been thinking a lot about what I have read about KC and Mr F especially through the past few years..., it seems that he keeps rolling with the changes and perhaps life is not as bad as 1975 seemed it would be... so if anyone is interested, I would highly reccommend reading about de Chardin (he kind of predicted the internet (the good part of it-- the actual communication part between people) or Joseph Campbell. Best of luck to the new KC and please if you have the capacity to get this poor music fan a copy of singing drums, please email privately..... Yours in Milwaukee for another 4 months, Colin *;-)-- Oh what else...I was ahnging around my old university and they had a set of tibeten monks doing one of those sand mandalas-- another example that music doen't necessarily have to have sound....-- pretty "NEW"-- they had the four monks doing the mandala and one was chanting and then there was this fifth monk who spoke English and sold trinkets!!-- I think he is usually out of the camera shot on most pics!-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:51:04 -0700 From: "Ricard Dan Ishoodbe" Subject: Les Claypool's Fabulous Flying Frog Brigade They ROCK! See them if you can. They are performing Thela Hun Gingeet as well as a complete rendition of Pink Floyd's Animals in a manner befitting the finest prog rock puddle(sadly ponds do not form in the desert) scum anywhere. And if you would to hear a new take on KC's first album (ITCotCK) some of the fine folks over on alt.music.ween have re-produced the entire album. Original music written by King Crimson lyrics by Ween. It can be aquired in thru ftp download or if you post a message I am sure you can get one of the nice young people there to make a copy of "Hoarse Platitudes In the Court of the Boognish King" for you. It is reproduced in part (- 1 song) on this their fourth release in one year. So if you are interested in seeing the future of music collaboration and production unfolding before your eyes come post a message to alt.music.ween maybe you can join us. I have read some VERY anal comments about how we as the lowly fans 'ought not even approach the rock God's in a public setting other than a performance, a movie theater as I recall. The writer made good points about respecting people's privacy and individuals wishes, and indeed the music is enough. And there really isn't any reason for anyone to get hostile just because Mr. Fripp wants to whine about some of the less enjoyable aspects of his chosen profession or for people to complain when his performances don't live up to THEIR expectations. Now I would never interrupt someone, be rude or act inappropriately, after all I am an adult. If I were in a movie theater with Adrian I would talk to him in the jovial manner that I do just like I would most anyone else. I might give him a heads up or open my arms wide in greeting like I do but he is not really any different than any other member of the audience and he would get no special treatment, I mean what does he want me to do, buy him popcorn or jujubees, I think not And "WE" can agree to follow the house rules, but we are not the only ones involved. There are other agendas. So since we cannot expect that every individual will live up to our expectations or follow the same agendas as we do, just as we cannot expect that Mr. Fripp will perform a set that we think would be cool, "WE" as individuals can either decide to be proactive in helping those who don't understand proper behavior to understand how they 'ought to behave thus helping us all or to look away and think what an asshole that guy is for not knowing how to act and leave it up to someone else. Me, well I don't have any reason to shield Mr. Fripp from the inconvenience of being a Musician. I do not take photos or illicitly record performances and have no business telling other people not to. He doesn't rate like that in my book no matter how great a guitar player he is. King Crimson's recent album leaves me terrified and awed, I am just glad I didn't pay full price or have to any overinflated shipping fees. Sincerely Richard Dan Ishoodbee www.BillionairesforBushorGore.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:30:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Basile Subject: Critical writing Does anyone know where I can find serious critical writing on Bob = Fripp and King Crimson (apart from in ET, of course)=20 RF: If ET provides the critical standard for Jeremy, then almost = anywhere. Hay, I resemble that remark! Basile By The Three Rivers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:55:53 -0500 From: Craig Subject: Re: SPLaTTeRCeLL (new release) Texture444 at aol dot com wrote: >Oct. 3rd >SPLaTTeRCeLL:::OAH (!the full-length CD!) Hi! Thanks for the news, David! OAH ??? Can you offer some insights as to what it`s like? Most ETers will have no clue. I had been wondering who the hell SPLaTTeRCeLL was, ever since seeing the name on the last track of your B.L.U.E. release, "BLUE Nights". (Very nice it is, btw). Now I know! It`s YOU. 8^) Oh!......Just to let you know. For my $, I`ll take the above CD over "TCoL" *any* day. It`s superb!!!!!!! Can we look forward to future B.L.U.E. CDs & shows???????????????? ~Craig Shropshire ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:58:05 +0200 From: Henning Schnoor Subject: ET #735 and the right of King Crimson to perform as themself. > Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 03:35:16 CDT > From: "Trey Five Winds" > Subject: Re: ET #735 and the right of King Crimson to perform as themself. > #4: Why should we hesitate to attend King Crimson shows based on what > Robert Fripp (or Trey Gunn, or Pat Mastelotto, or Adrian Belew) may or > may not do in response to audiences who don't obey the "house rules?" > And now, because some of us don't like > the way RF or the rest of the band views certain practises by the > audience (regardless of whether or not these practises are actually > acceptable) and how they might respond to them, these folks decide they > are not going to take a chance on the occasion based on how the BAND > reacts to these violations of the house rules. Well, you asked for comment on this. I have decided not to see Crimson on their "COL" tour, and one of the reasons was how Robert reacts on photographs. When I buy a ticket for a show, pay quite a bit to get there, and during the first song or so, someone decided he/she has to take a photo and then the band simply ends the show, I have wasted an evening & a sum of money. I think it's quite arrogant for a band to say, there is *one* member in the audience who does not behave the way we want, so none of them will see us play tonight. There are a lot of fans in the audience who just wanted to listen to the music, and because one idiot goes crazy (the guy with the photo, not RF), the show is ended. I think this is not fair bahaviour on the band's side. Of course they have every right to do that (but it would be nice if they said so at the beginning of the show). But it is my right to decide, based on these conditions, that I do not want to go to the show. See you, Henning ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:38:27 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: Fripp on Eno's disc >Brian Eno's first four[regular] albums are all worth owning >intriniscally(i.e. HERE COME THE WARM JETS(1971), TAKING TIGER MOUNTAIN{By >Strategy}(1972, ANOTHER GREEN WORLD(1973), and BEFORE AND AFTER >SCIENCE(1974). Fripp(as well as the cream of progressive/pre-punk rock) >guests on HCTWJ,AGW, and BAAS. It goes without saying that these albums are '>classic'. RF does not play on TTMBS? Then who does the solo on "china my china'? >Fripp and Eno released two rather well known ambient seventies albums. >These are NO PUSSYFOOTING(1971) and WIND ON WATER(1972). Both are >Frippertronics overlayed by Brian Eno treatments, and Fripp's guitar loops. >I prefer WOW myself. I do not know WOW, but they surely released 'evening star'. >If you are a die hard Eno fan(like I am) ENO I and ENO II has all of his >singles like his version of "The Lion Sleeps Tonight", ENO I), and other >oddities. Are they still available? Marcin Gokieli marcin dot gokieli at mospan dot pl marcingokieli at go2 dot pl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 12:39:04 +0200 From: postaser at tin dot it Subject: Tokyo Trakclist is unfair for Euro Kc fans !! I have been on RF's side when he left the stage retaliating Roman audience for unauthorized flashes, also if I had been a "good" fan. We have been happy for weeks for what Kc wanted to give us that night. By viewing Tokyo Trakclist on Krimson News, I want now to express Italian (and European) fans' disappointment. It is not fair to perform for Japanese fans (market I should say) a richer setlist than European one. Tokyo's Kconcert has been without any doubt better than any Euro date..... So, please explain us: Are there "good" and "bad" fans? Are Kconcerts' musical contents directly proportional to tickets price? Anyway, this is not the first time (see Jap. past Kconcerts). 1. Thela Hun Ginjeet 2. The ConstruKcton Of Light 3. Into the Flying Pan 4. Frakctured 5. One Time 6. Dinosaur 7. Frame by Frame 8. unknown (improvisation or new work) 9. Cage 10. ProzaKc Blues 11. Lark's Tongues in Aspic part IV 12. I Have A Dream 13. Elephant Talk 14. Three Of A Perfect Pair 15. Oyster Soup 16. Red (Heroes in some venue) Sergio Lombardi Rome Italy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 10:21:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lord Bravery" Subject: TGD coverart One question: Is the magician on the cover supposed to be Jamie, with Fripp & Co. making the correlation that Jamie "deceived" the band with his initial membership, since he's the only member from those years not represented within the material of the box set, which is otherwise absolutely incroyable!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:25:30 -0400 From: William Heinrichs Subject: KC tour - musician position Hello, Can some elephant turd provide a brief description of how the band members position themselves on stage? Is Adrian front-right, or back left. Etc... HOB has general admission and I would like to choose a sitting position (if I'm lucky to find a seat) in an optimal view of certain band members. Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 13:25:30 -0400 From: "Josh Chasin" To: I find it somewhat amusing that the same general aggregation of music fans that bemoans the sameness of the current Crim setlists and longs for the addition of other titles to freshen up the reportoire (or stale it up, as the case may be), is also all ga-ga (and I might add rightly so) over The Great Deceiver-- which is basically four discs of the same set repeated in different orders. Of course, many of you would point out, the varied and diffuse improvisational excursions the band undertakes on TGD render such comments moot, as each disc is indeed different in music, feel and texture. The songs themselves seem to serve merely as jumping off points.. To which I would reply, "Precisely!" ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #740 ********************************