Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #739 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 739 Wednesday, 4 October 2000 Today's Topics: Chapman Stick Fripp Solo Mio Soundbites; Fripp-Eno Upcoming concerts Easy Folding Money KC in Mexico Re: 24-bit remasters Playing the same show over and over Remasters This Forum I Hope You're Happy of COURSE the sets will be different, yadda yadda Seeking Missed Fripp Diary Entries dc 2nd Re: DGM Marketing Practices number of shows per city Re: Subject: [OT] AC/DC's sound Primus Pre-95 material and Anthony Phillips Re: HDCD and SACD Remastered KC Works David Torn/Some Self-Publicity Re: Bozzio, Levin, Stevens [...posting about Ozrics...] ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:22:06 -0400 From: Bob Pascarella Subject: Chapman Stick >...I'm getting a Stick like >instrument built for me by my custom builder of choice but he's never done >anything like it before and needs some measurements for it from an actual >Chapman Stick. You're not the first I've heard ask this question, Mike. I just bought a 10 string Stick and the first thing I said when I saw it was: "I could make one of these". If you e-mail me at home, I'll load you up with measurements and pictures. I agree with your quest to build a better tap instrument. If I were to make a Stick-ish instrument, I would make some custom changes. I'm sure Emmett Chapman would not agree and he would be right also. His Stick is a fine instrument and worth the price. I love mine. bob at originalmusic dot com Robert Pascarella Cramer Productions ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:25:35 -0400 From: Bob Pascarella Subject: Fripp Solo Mio Exposure is a MUST HAVE. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:59:17 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Soundbites; Fripp-Eno There have been some recent enquires regarding solo Fripp: I. Where can I order Volume 4 of the Soundscapes series, Soundbites? You can't, because it was never released ... under that title. Volume 4 was released as That Which Passes. II. What Fripp solo releases are essential? While I would vote for all Frippertronic and Soundscape releases as being so, my first choice would be the Fripp-Eno releases. III. Where to start with Fripp-Eno? Certainly, The Essential, which includes all of the first album (No Pussyfooting), all of the material from the first side of the second album--excluding a short piece of Eno's from Discreet Music, and some tracks from an abandonned third album. Evening Star is worth buying for the 20 minute plus Index of Metals, by the way, but only if The Essential leaves you needing more. The cd version of this track is slightly longer than the vinyl version had been. I'm working from memory, but all of this is at least very close to being accurate. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 12:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: Upcoming concerts Someone mentioned: : I am, however, irked by having only just recently discovered that KC : will be playing more or less identical sets all three nights Why on earth would you assume that the band would be playing different sets on each night? : As a perhaps unwelcome sidebar to this topic, I have to wonder aloud : anew why KC2K is restricting themselves to such a tiny slice of their : (huge, rich) potential repertoire. Just to piss you off. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 11:53:33 -0500 From: "Lake Hearne" Subject: Easy Folding Money Extended Easy Money edit, i.e. Folding Money. After receiving no response (didn't really expect one) from a Guestbook post that DGM do a professional job of it, I decided even a poor stab at it was required despite my complete lack of experience. Easy Money arguably is one of the single best "songs" by King Crimson (no debate please, this is merely my motivation). My opinion is based on the 5 or so live versions available, each different from the other in Fripp's guitar lines during the opening verses and the subsequent "jam" which occurs roughly from 2:20 to 5:00 in all but one abbreviated version frmo Penn State. Using a shareware digital audio editor, the "greyfolded" concept a la Grateful Dead's "Dark Star" and three of the versions of Easy Money from The Great Deceiver, I took what I consider to be a stunning opening of the song - Providence, RI where Fripp's bizarre guitar lines prompt an audible snicker from Wetton during the opening verse - and inserted the "jam" sections from the Zurich and Glasgow performances, transforming a roughly 7 minute song into 13 minutes of sublime live Crimson. The first insert is almost seamless as I hit it a snare drum beat. Of course can hear the insert points are apparent because: (1) the "jams" are quite different (though in the same key and tempo for the most part), (2) my ineptitude with the software and my ears, and (3) my impatience to hear the finished product. It actually works and is worth the effort. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Oct 00 15:09:24 CDT From: RAUL ORTIZ Subject: KC in Mexico Hi gentlemen, my name is Raul Ortiz and I'm 30, proud citizen of Mexico City! Before anything I apologize for the writing or gramatical mistakes, I'm little out of practice. This is for all KC members past and present specially for Mr. Fripp. I'm a recently 10 years enthusiast of KC an I was wondering again: are you considering a tour date for Mexico City?, because till now, I do not see any in the tour schedule. The last time and only, we had the honor at "Teatro Metropolitan" and it was SUPERB AND $%#&"o GREAT!!!!. We would like you to come again and visit our great land, I'm sure there are many thousands of hard core enthusiasts of KC that will be delighted with your visit (I'm between them) unless you were disappointed last time you were here, but I don't think so. Most of the time it's difficult and expensive to get each one of your releases and when I paid with great satisfaction, always think "I would like this guys to come and play for mexican enthusiasts" I'm sure that many people here thinks the same way. I know KC-DGM objectives and philosophy and also understand the difficulties and expenses in travelling and touring, but you wanna know something?, maybe I'm wrong but if you go all the way down to Argentina every now and then, what holds you to stop by in Mexico City and play? Mexico is one of the most important cities in America not mentioning it's size. Guys, this is a great place to play live!. Gentlemen I am extending and enthusiast invitation to visit us and play again in Mexico City I'm sure both King Crimson (or any of his members) and enthusiasts will enjoy and delight with this encounter between KC music and his audience;... Isn't that one of the objecktives. Thanks and hope you can make it on this tour... or nearly in time. Sincerely HcKCe (Hard core King Crimson Enthusiast) Raul Ortiz Ortega Hacienda de Zacatepec 228 Echegaray, Naucalpan Estado de Mexico Zip 53300 Ciudad de Mexico 360 30 86 PD. I will always insist. 1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:31:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: Re: 24-bit remasters > Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:18:18 -0400 > From: Gary Davis > Subject: Re: 24-bit Remasters? > > I had mentioned that Lark's, Starless and Red got pushed back a couple weeks > apparently due to a manufacturing glitch and are now due out October 17. > Apparently, though, the Japanese had no such glitch as the Japanese versions > have already been released. The only difference, though, is that the > Japanese CD's are on a gold disc and MUCH more expensive - about $30 > compared to a much more reasonable $13.99. So unless you specifically want > gold discs, it's much better to wait a couple weeks for the regular release. They have already been released (in non-gold form) in the UK as well. -S. "Screw Charity!" -- T. Herman Zweibel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:30:02 -0400 From: bruce higgins Subject: Playing the same show over and over In addition to all the other valid responses to the whining and apprehension about KC playing the same show every night. 1. It is a Very Good Show. 2. One of Trey's recent diary entries makes mention of the band having worked up more material than they can fit into 90 minutes, and he expresses some exuberance about being able to mix up the set a bit... Of course, I expect nothing ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:04:55 +0100 From: "Iain Kitt" Subject: Remasters Gary Davis from the Artist's Shop wrote >Lark's, Starless and Red got pushed back a couple weeks >apparently due to a manufacturing glitch All 3 of these remasters are now available in the U.K. so obviously no technical glitches here (are they pressed in different places?) - distribution seems to be a bit of a problem though. LTIA seems to be in all the shops and appeared on cue on 30 Sept, Starless in fewer (and it appeared several days later) and I've only seen 1 copy of Red (which, of course, I promptly bought) Initial observations are that the sound quality is an improvement over the original CD issues - but not as great a difference as the remasters of ITCOTCK, Poseidon etc. All 3 have gatefold sleeves. My memory matches with Gary's. I don't think either LTIA or Red were originally in gatefold sleeves. Both have the lyrics printed on the inside - on the original LTIA I think they were on the inside sleeve and LTIA has a picture of the band - the one with Jamie Muir leaning on what looks to be a very large saw! Starless reproduces the original sleeve - ironically without words at all (again which I seem to remember were on the inside sleeve) All 3 have the now usual booklet of press cuttings and photos. And very nice they are too! Iain ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:47:26 -0500 From: "Charlie Yarwood" Subject: This Forum Hi Everybody, I have been a lurker to this forum for a good while now. I've found the reading very entertaining and enlightening. This is my first post. Forgive me if I've sent it to the wrong address. I've been a KC fan since "Court of ..." I see lots of related bands being discussed. All great. Saw the CGT about a month ago ... awesome. There's a band everybody here should be listening to and I don't believe I've ever seen it mentioned: Clubfoot Orchestra (www.clubfoot.com). They're from San Francisco, founded in around 1980. Their history page states: "It was Kelly's [founder] obsession to marry high art values to the vitality of underground performance art; to fuse Frank Sinatra, Roy Orbison and Albert Ayler and project that onto the art-rock stage." That about scratches the surface. I would imagine that anyone who subscribes to Elephant Talk would love the music. Go listen. C Yarwood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:54:01 GMT From: "Cedric Hendrix" Subject: I Hope You're Happy Well, I hope you're happy. It looks as though Robert is all set to shut down the guestbook at the DGM site. For reasons no more complex than he's tired of dealing with the complete and utter stupidity that seems to exist in cyberspace. You know who I'm talking about. But I won't name any names. So now we're about to lose the one chance we have of carrying on a meaningful dialouge with an insightful man. And you know what? I can't say that I blame him. If I'm throwing up my arms, and rolling my eyes in despair at some of the posts both there and here, I can only imagine what Fripp is doing. You had your chance to sound insightlful, and to ask meaningful questions. But instead, you waste time and space on two or three items: 1) You attack musicians you don't know -- and who could play circles around you every day of the week and twice on Sunday -- personally, instead of offering constructive criticism, or at least trying to understand what the aim of the band was. 2) You try to justify your breaking of rules that you know good and well exist. 3) You beg one of the most forward thinking musicians/bands around to waste time recycling material that is clearly in their past, so that you can relive whatever it is you're trying to get back to. Piffle. So now we're being cut off. And we had it coming. Why can't we let go of the past? Why is it that you just have to hear music from some 25-plus years ago? What good would re-assembling the '69 band do? It's in the past. For the love of God, let it go! If you need those songs, I'm sure you have the CDs. By all means, wear them out in the comfort of your own home. And let the rest of us enjoy the future. Belew is not Sinfeld. Mastellotto is not Bruford. Gunn is not Levin is not Wetton. SO F*@#ING WHAT? We have a great band on our hands, playing great music. You want to listen to a band rehash and recycle, then go see the damned Rolling Stones, and let the rest of us move on. And until you can outplay ANY of these guys, keep your personal attacks to yourself. Someone actually had the nerve to say that Crimson should change its name, since they weren't playing any of the old tunes. SAY WHAT???!!! If you're afraid to move forward, then stay where you are, and let the rest of us go. It's people like you that give the rest of us "enthusiasts" a bad name. Embrace the future. Or don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. I'm done. Thank you. Hate mail can be sent below. Peace, Ced ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:37:27 -0500 From: "Aaron P Deglanville" <"aaron_deglanville"@uhc.com> Subject: of COURSE the sets will be different, yadda yadda Ok, enough of you have hauled me over the coals for my erroneous assumption that the 3 Fillmore shows would be different. No need to be abusive about it. I invited the feedback. Did my post not indicate that "I could be wrong"? I do appreciate the feedback that my assumption would not have been a common one (one person pointed out that I had been spoiled by "jam bands" like Phish and the Dead, which is true). I can (now) appreciate the fact that no one has any sympathy for a multiple ticketholder, understandable. G Colburn: the only time I've read anything about KC just playing multiple shows "so more people can see them" was in response to my GB posting. Again, my assumptions were incorrect, though founded upon past experience--the bands I tend to see for multiple shows have repertoires to back them up. Another incorrect assumption was that KCs last few albums plus ProjeKct material plus improv could easily equal three shows. Sorry if anyone was annoyed, aa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:56:20 -0700 From: "Craig Branham" Subject: Seeking Missed Fripp Diary Entries Dear List: I just completed a move across the US and have missed about a month's worth of entries in RF's DGM Diary < http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml >. Would anyone who archives the Diary be willing to send me (obviously off-list) entries from 01 - 17 September? Plain text is fine. Many Thanks, Craig B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:58:30 -0400 From: "T.J. Mathews" Subject: dc 2nd ONLY to the Nov. 8th show at the 9:30 club in Washington, and there's no mention of Nov. 9? Is the club itself selling tickets for Nov. 9? Also, the club's web page indicates that there are usually TWO shows a night. I'm driving 500 miles for this/these concert(s), and hope to see every show they're doing in DC, whether it's 1, 2, or 4 shows. I've already ordered my tickets for that one show, thinking that maybe they're waiting to see if it sells out before adding the next night. Anybody have any inside information about this? Those of us over at dc-et (an egroup) do not have an actual inside line on this we do know the following. This is the doing of the 930 club itself. Clearly they are trying to sell out the first show 11/8 before selling the 2nd on 11/9. As far as I can tell it's the only US show not on sale. They and the local DC City Paper update on Thursday each week and that is it. Note that 11/10 is still listed as "Open." We are willing to hear rumors about this one. Also most but not all of us dc-etRs don't like the 930. I hear they have nice digs for the artists. Oh and there will not be two shows per night. tj dc-et2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:15:59 -0400From: Tom Law From: Gary Davis Subject: 2nd show in DC? Anybody know why Ticketmaster is selling tickets At 08:13 PM 10/2/00 GMT, Grant wrote: >Sid wrote: > >>Months back, the Artist Shop announced here that some old pressings of >>Great Deceiver boxed set had surfaced and were on sale for $52. I placed my >>order within days, but AS said another distributor had bought the whole >>lot. When I tried to locate this distributor, I was told to contact DGM >>(who now sells this at a higher price 60 British pounds). > >Now let's get this clear, were you told DGM had BOUGHT these old box sets, >or just that if you wanted to buy the box set to contact DGM? (there's a >definite difference!) > Well, since The Artist Shop is being talked about, perhaps I should chime in and clarify things on my end. Gee, it seems like so much old history now. Anyway, some time ago my rep at Caroline gave me a call to inform me that they happened to have in their possession close to 200 copies of Great Deceiver. Well, wonderful, says I! He didn't seem to think they were going anywhere quick, so I ordered a batch of them thinking I could get more later. When I mentioned they were available, I had a good number of orders and soon needed more. So when I called the rep to get more he fiddled with his computer and said, "Gollyoski, they're all gone!" or words to that effect. He definitely hadn't expected that and I was bummed. Personally I have no idea who snapped up the rest of them. Whoever got the rest of them didn't get them from me, but got them from Caroline. As it's been a while, I can't really say what communication transpired between me and Sid, but if it was me who told him to check with DGM, my intention was not to imply that DGM scarfed them all up as I didn't know who got them. It was more along the lines of, "well, if you can't find out where they went, you know DGM's got some!" So apologies to Sid if my communications were unclear and apologies to DGM if poor communications on my part ended up casting aspersions on them. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Artist Shop Radio Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:15:54 GMT From: "Bill Chachkes" Subject: Re: DGM Marketing Practices After reading the current thread of posts regarding how many dates KC does in each city(and the content of each set being the same), I have to once again state how i find so many of the posters here to be incredible Whiners. First..be glad there is a King Crimson in the year 2000. Second, How should i Feel, when the city i live in (NY) is Only getting ONE SHOW and at one of the Smallest venues on the east coast(Town hall barely seats 1200, if that). You guys and gals that got tickets to more then one show are Gluttons at worst, and at best have no right to complain. Fripp is who Fripp is. Period. having had the pleasure of meeting him more then once, I find him to be one of the better humans on the planet, even if i respectfully disagree with his methods at times. I guess more people wish KC were like the Greatful Dead, but they aren't, so Get a grip people. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:42:26 GMT From: "Spear man" Subject: number of shows per city Dave Evans was the original singer of acdc, I believe. Sounds like part of a topic of 'where are they now?' Anyway, so I saw the show--hadn't been in like 17 years and within seconds I was reminded of why it had been that long since I went last--the singer is no Bon Scott. Then again Adrian singing Cadence..... [shutting off the slag Adrian button] And it seemed like they hadn't gotten past Hells Bells, so many years later. Not true with KC. --spearman np Derek Bailey/Jamie Muir: Dart Drug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 02:07:42 +1300 From: "Paul Brobbel" Subject: Re: Subject: [OT] AC/DC's sound Make your way to http://www.primussucks.com/frames/fboot.html an hear Primus play a couple of Crimson songs and Pink Floyd's "Animals" in it's entirity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:12:26 +0100 From: Sandy Starr Subject: Primus Trey Gunn's diary has been very interesting of late. Apart from his contention that the DGM guestbook has had a detrimental effect on Crimson (in which case I second suggestions that band members don't bother reading it in detail and posters lighten up a bit and have some fun), I offer the following: 'The new/old tunes (I'm not saying a word!) are sounding fantastic. I'm quite surprised because I have been a strong advocate for not playing anything earlier than 1995. But, they sound really smoking and will be fantastic in the show. Now we have more material than we can possibly play in a night.' My god! Could it be? Pre-95 material? Are the nostalgia-heads getting their way? Knowing Crimson, I'm sure there's a twist. Will we be hearing a heavy metal version of 'Moonchild'? A solo version of 'Starless' played only by Pat on the v-drums? The long-awaited calypso version of 'Red'? That 20-minute 'Neurotica/Groon/FraKctured' medley I've always dreamed of? I can't wait to find out. 'You know that you're Prog when: ...3. you have the first Ant Phillips solo record, and you know he's really called Ant and not Anthony.' LOL! I grew up listening to 'The Geese and the Ghost', Ant's first solo album, with a vocal spot by Phil Collins. Now he has released 'Private Parts and Pieces vol. 457' (I think), and he puts out all the archive/rare/soundtrack material that any fan could hope for. Are there any more Ant Phillips fans on the guestbook? I think '1984' and 'Slow Dance' are his masterpieces. '...5. you have a pet named Gandalf. 6. you quote from The Lord of the Rings.' Trust me, when the first of the three scheduled Lord of the Rings movies comes out in Christmas 2001, EVERYBODY will have a pet named Gandalf and will quote Tolkein. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:07:49 +0100 From: Nick Loebner Subject: Pre-95 material and Anthony Phillips Coincidentally we have been having a very simlar chat on rec.music.progressive! In this context I've a few small points to add: > > HDCD has been > > around for several years but still doesn't have many adherents. Only about > > 12-15 CD manufacturers use these chips in their boxes. There's quite a lot of these now, actually - some less expensive models have appeared recently - and they're even finding their way into DVD-Video players such as those from Toshiba and Hitachi (among others). Check www.hdcd.com for a list. > > On the other hand > > Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD-Audio (DVD-A) are two new CD > > recording/manufacturing techniques that purportedly surpass vinyl in > > recreating music. Of course these ar MUCH more scarce at the present. > > nice to have one player (DVD-A) that does movies and music equally well but > > SACD has garnered the better music reviews so far. Both new CD formats are > > backward compatible and can be played on 16bit machines. > > ?? AFAIK SACD is *not* backwards-compatible. SACD IS backward compatible. There are different layers on the disc for SACD and CD players. For me the only mystery is why didn't they use HDCD for the remaster In the Court of the Crimson King?! ANd why don;t they use it for new their recordings? On rmp the concensus appears to be that HDCD encoded discs do sound better (certainly louder), but whether this is due to the technology or the care in mastering there's no clear conclusion. Furthermore, if the HDCD technology is superior it is just as likely due to the excellent filters in the HDCD mastering equipment, which may account for the perceived improvements when played back on non-HDCD equipment. - Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:16:58 +1000 From: "Peter Allen" Subject: Re: HDCD and SACD >Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:34:35 -0400 (EDT) >From: Steven Sullivan >Subject: HDCD and SACD >> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:33:17 +0200 >> From: "Jim Clark" >> Subject: Remastered KC Works and Situation Dangerous >> nice to have one player (DVD-A) that does movies and music equally well >> but SACD has garnered the better music reviews so far. Both new CD >> formats are backward compatible and can be played on 16bit machines. >?? AFAIK SACD is *not* backwards-compatible. It is in the sense that there is provision for a second layer on a SACD that contains the CD format version of the music. The way I've been hearing it, SACDs at the moment tend to not have that second layer due to difficulties in getting the production process right. This problem will disappear with time. I hadn't heard that DVD-A disks will be backwards compatible - I'm happy to be enlightened on this. IMHO if either format is not backwards compatible, it will be dead in the water. SACD particularly needs to get backwards compatible disks into shops ASAP, to gain 'software' market share quickly. That will drive hardware sales. Of course DVD "players" (not disks) are CD compatible, but a good number have trouble with CD-Rs, and almost all with CD-RW. >Also AFAIK there have been no well-controlled comparisons of SACD vs DVD >vs CD players (or formats). By well-controlled, I mean that that *only* >variable is the format, and the test is performed double-blind. Until then >I'm inclined to believe that improvements noted for SACD once again >reflect differences in care taken in mastering, not the format per se. Agreed, but are there any DVD-A players out there? I've yet to see a DVD-A disk (as distinct from a DVD with audio on it). The music companies will be looking for a winning audio-only format standard. What inclines me to SACD is that the purpose of the players from the beginning is to play audio, so expertise and expense will be directed to that purpose alone. Personally I wouldn't want a do-it-all DVD player where a good deal of the expense goes into video decoding. Others' priorities might be different. >> I wonder why Mr. Fripp didn't do these recordings with SACD or DVD-A. He did, I would say. The remasters are 24 bit 96 MHz, which is the audio standard for SACD and DVD-A (sans special coding). The CD versions that we are getting now are the new standard remasters reduced to the red book CD 16 bit 44.1 kHz standard. Regardless, the new remastered CDs ought to be as good as we'll get on this medium. No-one in their right mind would be not mastering recordings to the new standards - it's just a matter of waiting for the dust to settle in the format wars, and for the market penetration to justify production runs. >> Maybe for the third remaster. >For on thing, SACDs (and SACD players) currently cost a bundle. See above: Regards, Peter Peter Allen (pda at melbpc dot org dot au) Melbourne PC User Group ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:28:31 +0100 From: Tim Bowness Subject: Remastered KC Works Apologies for the off-topic nature of this posting, but I thought I'd bring a few things to ET's attention that may be of interest: I've just collaborated on a track by SPLaTTeRCeLL, the powerful new electronica project created by David Torn (known to this list for his work with David Sylvian, Jan Garbarek and Bruford/Levin). The track is called "Romance Refined" and appears on the SPLaTTeRCeLL remix album "AH - ReMiKSiS", which was released on September 22nd 2000 on CeLLDiViSioN/75Ark Records (for the price of a maxi-single, $7.99). "AH - ReMiKSiS" also features contributions from Ryuichi Sakamoto, Dan The Automator, Carter Burwell (soundtrack composer for "Being John Malkovich") and Charlie Clouser (Nine Inch Nails). * "Speak" Via E-Mail As of now, the newsletter for the band No-Man (the duo featuring myself and Steven Wilson) will be available in electronic form. We hope to provide up to the minute information on the band's activities and the progress of the many related projects (Porcupine Tree/Samuel Smiles etc...). If you wish to take advantage of this, please send an e-mail to hidden dot art at virgin dot net (with "Electronic Speak Subscription" in the subject line). * Darkroom Is an improvised electronica project I'm involved in. We've released our second album "Seethrough" via the Internet-based Peoplesound label. The album can be ordered by visiting Darkroom's Peoplesound webpage at http://www.peoplesound.com/artist/darkroom. You can also download MP3 tracks from the album at http://www.mp3.com/darkroomuk/. * Henry Fool For fans of the early 70's Crimson, the following may be of interest: I've formed a new band called Henry Fool. The other members are Stephen Bennett (of LaHost) on keyboards, Peter Chilvers on bass, and Fudge Smith (of Pendragon/Steve Hackett Band) on drums. Michael Bearpark (guitar) and Myke Clifford (woodwind) also contribute. Henry Fool's music is a distinctive combination of 60's/70's Progressive influences, contemporary textural experiments and hard-hitting improvisations. Henry Fool will be releasing their debut album through respected UK progressive rock label Cyclops early in 2001. The band have recorded over eighty minutes of music (a 50/50 instrumental/song split) and are currently in the process of producing, editing and selecting material for the eventual release. A rough mix of material from the album can be heard via downloads from the Henry Fool website at http://www.collective.co.uk/henryfool. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:24:50 +0700 From: Alex Subject: David Torn/Some Self-Publicity In ET#735 Timothy W Cox wrote: > Also what is the date of this > album cause the cd said 1998 but the liner notes hinted at a late 80's date? > I will search for a website to answer my questions but feel free to > contribute your knowledge. You guessed it right :) Date of release of PE is 1989. Ozric Tentacles web site is http://www.execpc.com/~mwerning/ I did not listen too much to OT, but I can recommend Curious Corn (1997) and Waterfall Cities (1999). ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #739 ********************************