Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #735 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 735 Saturday, 30 September 2000 Today's Topics: 24-bit Remasters? Ted Nugent or Robert Fripp??? Fayman & Fripp In The Court Of The Duke Trey's scroll KC in 4 words or less >...listen to ac/dc Bozzio, Levin, Stevens KC: The Baby & More Fripp in NYC Nov 28-30 P4/?KC?/Ohm Irving Plaza Sucks!!! Live shows of interest in Chicago Robert Fripp's Soundscapes Vol. 4 "Soundbites" hybrid drum kit? daryl hall - sacred songs King crimson at hyde park. Make a Jazz Noise Here KING CRIMSON IS. Survey # 10. live kc Need info about Englewood, CO Russian KC CD-ROM GIG REVIEW: TGB, 16.9.2000 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:19:05 +0200 From: "Schopf" Subject: 24-bit Remasters? Hello Elephant Talkers, I'd like to know if there are plans to release Discipline, Three Of A Perfect Pair and Beat as 24-bit Remasters. If so, when can I expect them to be released? Next year? I just ask because I just discovered King Crimson this year and I can't wait to complete my KC-collection. And, of course, I want the newest and best version of their released music. The DGM live DoCDs are just awesome - I've got them all and I'm listening to Nigthwatch right now. WOW! Thanks a lot, Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: GARY WEIMER Subject: Ted Nugent or Robert Fripp??? So, for some odd reason, I decided to fish out some of my really old albums and give them a quick listen. I dug out The Amboy Dukes lp Marriage on the Rocks, and put it on. It's not listed on the cover, but on the label, the second part of "The Inexhaustible Search for the Cosmic Cabbage" (where did they dig these titles up?!?!?), mentions an excerp from Bartok's String Symphony number 2 (some of you may know where I'm going with this). I listen to it, and sure enough there are some familiar strains coming through the vocals. A couple of listens later, I grab my copy of "Lark's Tongue in Aspic, Pt. 2", and give it a spin. Same licks. It's been widely speculated that this Bartok piece was, to some degree, the basis for LTIA, but could it be that The Amboy Dukes actually thought of it first? It strikes me as ironic that Ted Nugent was doing this years before Robert Fripp! Of course, it doesn't seem to be credited to Ted, but keyboardist Andy Solomon, but this does make a very bizarre "Six ways to Fripp" scenario. Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy Andrew Edwards Subject: Fayman & Fripp >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 17:25:40 -0500 >From: Paul Hubers >Subject: Fayman & Fripp - Big Time Flop >Hello Everyone, >Let me get right to the point: This CD *sucks*. The temptation to flame is high, however, I think my time will be better spent by simply posting that I think this CD is wonderful. Don't just take my word for it... LISTEN for yourself. GO.com Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:22:58 +0200 (MEST) From: Florian Reiss Subject: In The Court Of The Duke Hey-ho! I recently discovered an interesting similarity between KC's "In The Court Of The Crimson King" and "Duke" from Genesis and after a short discussion with Markus "Crimso Enthusiast Extraordinaire" Gnad, I decided to post it here to all you other fanatics! ;O) At the end of "Duke's Travels", right before "Duke's End" begins, you can here Tony Banks play a keyboard solo that sounds just like Ian MacDonald's flute on "The Court Of The Crimson King" at the beginning of "The Dance Of The Puppets". Feel free to comment on or to ignore this post... flo -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:51:57 -0400 From: Dave & Racquel Subject: Trey's scroll Hey gang... I'm sure we all remember the thread about what Trey's stack "scrolled" on the LED read-out during different phases of the ProjeKcts. Being fortunate enough to catch Trey's "solo" tour at Orion Sound Studios ( http://www.progrock.net/shows/showcase/ ) I found him up to his same tricks. I admit, this is one I had to ask him about, as I was ignorant to it's origins, but maybe you'll get it right off the bat. He was quite surprised that I spelled it right, as it was scrolling very quickly. Anyway, it was... HIERARCHTITIPTITOPLOFTICAL Go figure... Anyway...we had a great time. I'm sure others in attendance more eloquent than I will review the show. Don't forget to check out the Krim Connections page to post or score your spare tix/lodging for upcoming shows... http://www.midnightmecca.com/vbpro/crimso Thanx for the bandwidth, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:24:06 -0500 From: "Aaron P Deglanville" <"aaron_deglanville"@uhc.com> Subject: KC in 4 words or less >There's a semi-interesting thread going on in these pages about how to >describe KC to the uninitiated. "Noise" is my favorite so far. I used to >tell people that bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden wish they could be >heavy like KC, but that rather dates me now, doesn't it? I just saw Iron Maiden the night before last (Rob Halford opening)! Damn I loved those guys... 10 years ago. =) >My current view on how to describe KC is why bother. But it is an interesting challenge--how to say it simply and do a minimum of injustice. I'm asked "what" KC is often enough, and an exposition on their depth, diversity, and evolution is usually uncalled for. I'm usually compelled to mention that both their albums and songs tend to significantly differ from one to the next, e.g. Frank Zappa. But in four words: Yes meets Jane's Addiction. Start throwing your tomatoes now... aa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:09:48 GMT From: "Spear man" Subject: >...listen to ac/dc >Anyway, if you want a band who's never changed its sound in the least, >listen to AC/DC. well if you call having three different lead singers not changing their sound 'in the least' ...OK. Besides, 3 chord rock still works and who's arguing if it's still ACDC? Gonna see 'em for the first time since 1983 and since the 70s before that..... And KC next month--talk about dinosaurs. np: the (kick ass) fayman and fripp album--a temple in the clouds and yes, it still sounds like fripp---pppbbblllttt! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:05:16 -0400 From: "Timothy W Cox" Subject: Bozzio, Levin, Stevens I recently purchased the newest Bozzio, Levin, Stevens and I gotta say this one is a smoker!!! From the first tune through the last there is always something new waiting around the next note and beat. Levin's bass is much more prominent than on the first collaboration and you can almost here his sweat dripping as he pumps through the numbers. Bozzio is in his usual top form and getting the most interesting sounds out of his kit. At one point he seems to play the melody of one of the songs with his Roto Toms (at least that's what I think he's hitting) and just brings sweetness to the tune. Forgive me for not having the cd in front of me (its in the work truck) or else I would descriptively go through each number to the best of my ability. I think Stevens Flamenco playing meshes with the music a little better on this album than did the first. I still can't get over the fact that this is the same cat that used to be the guitarist for Billy Idol. I really enjoyed the first collaboration but I think this one is a little more cohesive and packs a better punch. I assume there are more overdubs and less freeform than the first album but I like them both all the same. I highly recommend this cd for anyone who has tasted the Liquid Tension Experiments or the first Bozzio, Levin, Stevens. Now that Bozzio and Portnoy have experimented with their dream lineups I wonder who Levin would bring together. Perhaps Crimson was his dream line up? I am not sure who in the ET community was giving praise to Ozrac Tentacles but I finally stumbled upon their music at a small record shop and decided to give them a try. I purchased Pungent Effulgent. It didn't blow me away but it has potential if their other material isn't so Techno influenced. The Pungent CD was a little too beat oriented for my liking and perhaps a few too many processed effects, but they did sound like schooled musicians. Is the guitar a little more prominent on their other material? If so I might purchase a recommended album. These guys are definitely out there and from my ear no strangers to the drug community (an assumption and I am not putting anyone down for their habits). Also what is the date of this album cause the cd said 1998 but the liner notes hinted at a late 80's date? I will search for a website to answer my questions but feel free to contribute your knowledge. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:13:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Darryl Subject: KC: The Baby & More Greetings Crimophiles, My sister just gave birth to a baby boy on the 18th and guess what she named it? KC! That's right, 'KC' not 'Casey'. I have no idea why she named it that way, I'm almost certain she never heard a note of Crimson or even of the group itself. All she listens to is [c]rap music; I don't know why she didn't name it 'M&M'. Maybe she'll name her second child 'The Sunshine Band', so when people ask her what her kids names are she will say: "This is KC & The Sunshine Band"..... Now to put in my 2 cents in on how to describe Crimson's music to someone unfamiliar. The Crim are one of those few bands that are almost impossible to describe musically. If someone asked me to describe Captain Beefheart I would say: "The blues if it were played on Mars". Of course, that's not very accurate. I remember a friend of mine was looking through my CD collection and came across a Gentle Giant album. He asked me what they sounded like, I said: "Uh..sorta like a cross between Pink Floyd and Frank Zappa". He laughed and I'm still not sure if he ever liked the CD. Again, probably not very accurate. But here it goes, my best attempt to describe the music of King Crimson: "First of all, it's not music you're going to fall in love with the first time you hear it. 9 times out of 10 you'll have to listen to the same album many times before you appreciate even half of it. Sometimes you will never like a song or even an entire album ever, no matter how many times you listen to it. But, on the other hand, there will be some songs or entire albums that you like alot at first and then grow to love. King Crimson's music falls unevenly into 3 VERY loose catagories: 1) Horror movie soundtracks on acid; 2) Classical music on ecstasy; 3) Jazz-fusion performed by Korn on 3 weeks of sleep depravation. A fourth category could be added: Beatles songs performed by Nine Inch Nails and produced by Phil Spector. Crimson's music is basically guitar-based, with the 'traditional' rock line-up: drums, bass, guitar, vocals. However, everything from wind & string instruments to modern electrical gadgets may be incorporated into the songs. Sometimes noisy, sometimes boring, and rarely catchy. Most songs are written in 'unusual' time signatures and tunings, making them sound very different from most rock bands. It can be really quiet or deafiningly loud; incredibly fast or very slow; beautifully melodic or aggressively heavy. Basically, if you take a cup of the Beatles, a teaspoon of Jimi Hendrix, a tablespoon of Miles Davis, a pound of Richard Wagner, a pound of Frank Zappa, a cup of Pink Floyd, a tablespoon of Procol Harum, a teaspoon of Led Zeppelin and add sprinklings of psychedelia, new wave and electronica, put it in a blender for 2 days, freeze it, then burn it in the oven, you will have something that sounds ALMOST like King Crimson." Cheers and wet dreams, Darryl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:07:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Warren Melnick Subject: Fripp in NYC Nov 28-30 Anyone who is interested in getting together before or after any of the shows, please contact me via email. As I work only a few short blocks away, weather permitting, I shall be at all 6 of the shows. :-) Warren Melnick warren at walrus dot com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 00 11:58:56 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: P4/?KC?/Ohm Hello Friends, In 732 we witnessed: >I agree with 'ChalkPie' Frank in the last newsletter >that the ProjeKcts, and Mastelloto are great : way off >the beaten track this stuff. I only bought the box >about 6 weeks ago, and immediately liked p2, and was And I agree with both lads above...I have always felt that the Projekcts Box(that spelling again)came and went from public view a bit too quick here... The amount of music and packaging for the money and the excellent music found within this set is definitely something to get worked up about, and the music here is what I consider to be the best Crimson to come out in tons o' years. Very free and roaming, minimalist in places, unhurried and just as splendid showing of overall maturity in the players styles is manifested within these here grooves. Each CD complements the others and I enjoy listening to the 4CD set, time permitting, as a whole piece. Typically, I keep the running order of the set but other times, will play the CD's out of sequence. One comment I will make is that if the set was all in the genre of the first and third disc, I would be twice as happy. On KC definitions and interpretations, I believe that in the case of trying to define what KC is to people, yadda, yadda, yadda....simply throw on your favorite KC long player and let the music explain itself...If people need any other help, then they need help... Pick of the Month...Ohm-Voices, on Two Ohm Hop label out of Denton, TX(the band Ohm might be from Texas too)...run right out and get this gem of a musical cross between Henry Cow/UZ/Avant style structures, coupled with mellotron splashes reminiscent of the finer days of German EM similar to Tangerine Dream's analogue years. Sid Smith, the merch man on P4 tour and writer of the liner notes for P4 might get off on this as he mentioned in those notes, the acquiring of Henry Cow CD's on his tour with P4. have a good one, dv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:21:52 EDT From: ScurvyMidget at aol dot com Subject: Irving Plaza Sucks!!! I would just like to express my initial distaste and disgust towards Irving Plaza for their assinine policy of ticket selling at their box office. As we all know, KC is only playing one night in NYC at Town Hall, however there are other ticket venues set up to supposedly provide "convenience" (sic). Well, let me tell you how convenient Irving Plaza is. After checking the ET and DGM websites for almost 3 months in anticipation of Crim coming to N.Y., I finally see they are playing Town Hall for one night only on 11/14. I find out tickets are being sold at Irving Plaza, which is close to where I work. All I need to do is get there about 2 hours earlier, be the first one in line, and I can get a seat as close to the front as possible when the box office opens, right? Wrong!!! So I get there 2 1/2 hours early, I am the only one there. I wait with eager anticipation for the box office to open. When it does, the asshole behind the counter tells me that all seats are selected by the computer! I pleaded with him that I waited almost 3 months for the chance to get a good ticket and isn't there anything that he can do? The quick answer, to quote RF, was no. Meaning, I waited 2 1/2 hours for NOTHING!!! Am I the only one that finds this policy to be unfair?!! The idea for having seperate ticket venues is for convenience. Well, I don't find it very convenient that I am sitting in the next to last row in the back of the orchestra section!!! It seems to me that it would be more convenient to ask for free food in a Chinese restaurant. I encourage all of you to write letters of protest to the Irving Plaza box office for their utter inconsideration. The box office there is run by careless mongrels who, I'm sure, can get their own tickets of choice to anywhere they want on the same lousy computer they claim picks seats automatically. That is the function of a computer, you can re-program it so you can choose your seat, as long as it is available. If I knew they were going to pull this shit on me, I would have purchased my tickets at Town Hall from the get-go. What is the purpose of selling tickets at other venues if you are not able to choose the best seat based on availability? Isn't it best that we leave this computer-generated bullshit to Ticketmaster where it is commonplace??!!! ---John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:57:38 -0600 From: Mike Subject: Live shows of interest in Chicago Hello, for anyone in or near the Chicago area... Sunday, October 1st, Outre Music is geeked to present THE CALIFORNIA GUITAR TRIO. This show is at Martyrs' 3855 N. Lincoln Ave. in Chicago. Show time is 8pm and there will be no opener. Tickets are $15 and will be available at the door the night of the performance or through Ticket Master at (312) 559-1212. This triple-headed instrumental acoustic guitar monster return to Martyrs' for an encore performance at a special time that is "working stiff conducive". If you saw them last May (with special guest Tony Levin), you know how fun, energetic and completely enjoyable these guys are. If you haven't yet experienced the joys of The Trio, come on down to Martyrs' and be prepared to be floored! More info can be found at http://www.cgtrio.com/ RICHARD LEO JOHNSON will be performing at Martyrs' 3855 N. Lincoln Ave. in Chicago on Tuesday, October 10th. The phone is (773) 404-9494. Richard will be opening (with a full 50 min set) for the Darkstar Orchestra that evening. Tickets are $10 and will be available at the door. The show starts at 8pm. "Move over leo Kottke and step aside Adrian Legg-the new kid in town is a twelve-string wonder by the name of Richard Leo Johnson. His acoustic guitar playing snaps, crackles and pops and his live performances shimmer with full-bodied bravado and attacks with needle like precision. It almost fatigues the ears to hear Richard's tireless assault on the senses, yet the flashy blur of fingerplay reveals a sensitive undercurrent of melody and substance. Every arc has its graceful cascade and for every splendid twitch there is a luminous pulse, guiding an erratic heartbeat to its inevitable end. A self-taught instrumentalist, Richard's range of trickery includes an amazing ability to strum and pick the guitar while pounding out the occasional beat. The effect is one of a guitar combating itself. This struggle between strings, fingers and sound make RLJ's music a voyage both tumultuous and tantalizing." John Noyd ...till later... Michael Eisenberg -- Outre Music Music Beyond Boundaries ------------------------------ Date: 20 Sep 2000 17:24:26 -0700 From: Matteo Masiello Subject: Robert Fripp's Soundscapes Vol. 4 "Soundbites" A General Inquiry: I have been attempting to contact Discipline Global Mobile to obtain Soundscapes IV "Soundbites" and have not had any luck. Does anyone know where I can purchase a CD recording of it? Thanks, Matteo Masiello ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:11:37 -0400 From: "Timothy W Cox" Subject: hybrid drum kit? Did I read Fripps diary correctly about Pat mixing in some acoustic drums in his kit. This absolutely has me jumping with glee. Hopefully a little thunderous warmth will return to the music. If this is the case then I am happy that I didn't "move on" because when we move on we are destined to have missed something and we are eventually forced to look back on that which has passed (forgive the cheesy wisdom). Anyways, this brings me to a question which I had earlier this month. Has or did Pat develop into a percussionist and shed the label of drummer? if this is the case then perhaps there is room in Crimson for both a percussionist and drummer. I might be able to handle the inhuman/unnatural synthetics of the v-drums if they were complimented with their acoustic brethren. This also has potential for addressing the past while moving forward. Maybe the double trio could benefit from this arrangement. I speak only for my own tastes when I say that there is nothing like listening to a drummer in intimate contact with his kit. I imagine many fellow ET'ers have felt the personal communication between Drummer and audience that gets the blood rushing. BEHOLD THE POTENTIAL POWER OF BANG, CRASH, BOOM, BLAM, TINK, CHA, SLAP, KACHUNK!!!!!!! It sure is nice living in dreams, hopes, and expectations even if there is little chance of them coming true. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:46:27 EDT From: Doynuy at aol dot com Subject: daryl hall - sacred songs hi there! in the not too recent past, daryl hall's solo album , sacred songs, circa 1979 or 1980 (but recorded in 1977), was released on buddha (sic?). well, just so ya all know, this is one peach of an album- fripp and hall- and the results are, well, superb. yes, it sounds a bit dated, but geez, it still sounds great. highly recommended. your pal, fuzzy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:30:17 +0930 From: corin lang Subject: King crimson at hyde park. G'day, I have recently acquired permission to put on the web about 15 photos from Crimsons gig at hyde park in 1971, these were taken by an Italian fan and as far as I know have not been published anywhere else. Quality is fairly good, I've spruced them up in Photoshop as much as possible. I'd appreciate it if you let your visitors know their whereabouts . Go here http://users.senet.com.au/~tortoise/index.html and you will find the link under hyde park concert 1971. My site is a history of UK rock festivals of the 60s and 70s and would be of interest to many of your visitors, a number of crimson articles, other prog, psychedelic bands are featured. cheers dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:33:08 -0700 From: "ChainClaw" Subject: Make a Jazz Noise Here In ET 731, Jury Jania wrote in his post entitled "Tight bands and weird music" > If asked by people who are *absolutely not* into any kind of progressive > music I simply say: Noise. They will never ask again. This was given to me > by a friend of mine who used to say that he likes most of ItC..., but > screamed, when I presented the Earthbound-version of 21st Century Schizoid > Man to him: "Stop this! This is certainly no longer music, this is just > ... noise!" What would he have said if he was presented Thrakattak or most > of the improvs of TGD? Seriously, I think this is a problem because it's > not rock, it's not jazz (really?) and it's nothing in between (despite > their *real* songs). I don't know. On the other hand most of the people who > know me for years use to say "well, this again is some of the weird stuff > that you are always listening to". Good music makes you feel lonely, I > guess ;-) Many great albums over time are considered noise by the masses. Some great examples of this are: Albert Ayler's Spiritual Unity and Peter Brotzmann's Machine Gun. Both of these albums recieved the Penguin Guide to Jazz on CD's highest rating of four stars and a crown. In fact, the review for Spiritual Unity in the guide speaks volumes about the topic of percieved noise or quality music. The review was: The poet Ted Joans likened the impact of this trio to hearing someone scream the word 'fuck' in St Patrick's Cathedral. Subjectively, there may be some validity in this, but it makes a nonesense of what was actually going on in this group. The intensity of interaction among the three individuals, their attentiveness to what the others were doing, ruled out any such gesture. Even amid the noise, the 1964 Ayler trio was quintessentially a listening band, locked in a personal struggle which it is possible only to observe, awe-struck from the sidelines. The review continues but this section, I think, is relevant to our discussions here. Has attentive audients, we seek out music that leaves us "observing awe-struck from the sidelines". King Crimson gives us so many of those challenging moments, I tend to grin when hearing complex music, laughing with joy on the inside during the first listen (can't control it), and then I dig in and get my hands dirty on subsequent listenings. When people say "That is noise" when I am listening to King Crimson, I usually put on either Machine Gun, Spiritual Unity, or Naked City. (They usally like about 4 seconds of a Naked City track, before the whole band changes directions and genre's). I do this in hope that they will leave the room, as I really have a problem with people with no taste. besides, all us Turds can't be wrong all the time? Thanks for indulging my ramblings on Musical Complexity versus Noise. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 05:32:15 -0400 From: spanky50 at impop dot bellatlantic dot net Subject: KING CRIMSON IS. King Crimson is like a beautifull piece of art , that morphs and changes but allways stays true to it`s own awsomeness. Hanging on your wall and all around , but few if any can see. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:17:17 -0400 From: Patrick Hamtiaux Subject: Survey # 10. Please note that question # 2 in your survey is a leading question. A proper survey does not prejudge nor suggest a way to answer. The words "unfairly punish" are improper. The question would have been objective if it had asked "Does Mr. Fripp's behaviour have a negative or positive impact on other members of the audience? on you?". Patrick Hamtiaux ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:43:16 -0400 From: malijp39 Subject: live kc I heard Robert stopped a few shows over in Europe. To all US tour going kc fans, PLEASE PUT THE CAMERAS DOWN. I read the set lists that showed Robert ending performances because of flash photography. WE don't need that. Let us enjoy as much music as possible. ezmoney45maliz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:38:38 -0600 From: "Charles Stanford" Subject: Need info about Englewood, CO Hello, I live in Utah and I've been trying to get tickets to the King Crimson concert at the Gothic Theater in Englewood, Colorado on either the 27th or 28th of October. I don't know if it's bad luck or stupidity on my part, but I simply can't find the address or phone number of the Gothic Theater anywhere, and I haven't been able to find out how to get tickets either - Ticketmaster has tickets for every single US show *except* these two. Does anybody know why that is? More importantly, is there anyone who can give me information on how to get tickets for this concert? I would greatly appreciate it. Also, if there are any other Crim enthusiasts in UT who would be willing to travel to CO together, please let me know. Please reply by private email: wannagroove@moose- Care2 make the world greener ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:48:56 +0400 From: "Iscander the Aquarius" Subject: Russian KC CD-ROM Hey guys -you're gonna laugh your guts out-or hatemail me down instantly,but I bought today a CD-ROM with MP3's of live Crimzo that contains : The Great Deceiver(4CD) The Nightwatch(2CD) Absent Lovers(2CD) All encoded with 192Kb stream. AND ALL THIS FOR LESS THAN ___3___ bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's good to be Russian :-) Tell me how much money did I save... ~A~ www.iscander.com www.iscander.agava.ru ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:40:03 -0400 From: "T.J. Mathews" Subject: GIG REVIEW: TGB, 16.9.2000 Trey has grown. His playing at Orion Studios last Saturday night was much more confident. His sound had greater presence. There were moments (please note this) of CRIM at this show which reinforced my idea that KC should try a Trey tune live. I'm not talking about a CRIM sound, no, it was a CRIM your golden slippers have fallen off into the cold river and you must track them down. Got that? He should be filling larger halls. They played several pieces one into another early on and at one point there was a creeping up and then explosive crescendo that I'm sure loosened a few nearby bolts. There was no room for the audience to explode along with it, which is not a complaint! I felt like making some big noise at that point but just then they slipped to near silence. Throwing heavy vibes was all we could do. Lightening bolts of JOY. Later I told Trey (and he listened) that I thought his work with the ProjeKcts has helped his live performance abilities. He agreed. There is more here methinks. I would list P2 as having the greatest influence. I don't recall this being one of the "objectives" of the Ps. But I loved the Ps so this soils my opinion. The second touch guitarists was much better than the former. He did do this bending of his body to the side like he would snap if he didn't have muscles which was weird but much less bothersome than Chris C.'s (former TGB) rock posturing. I hope Trey can keep him employed for a year or two. I told several people that I think Tony looks like he is out picking flowers the whole time he's on stage. Is the playing that easy for him? It's most amazing. Maybe he meditates too much. Oh man so mellow. Bob Muller is a stunning percussionist. I hazard that if Pat stepped out (no don't!) that Bob could handle it all. Too bad he was always stuck behind the drum set for the entire gig. I think if people could see his hands move, as we have in the past, he would be better appreciated. Most I talked to afterwards reiterated his huge talent. Go to more cities post Crimson Trey. You deserve the attention. When Pat notices your success you might get Mastica to join you... tj, dc-et2 ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #735 ********************************