Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #727 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 727 Thursday, 24 August 2000 Today's Topics: NEWS: Trey Gunn Band in Baltimore Sep 16th NEWS: Markus Reuter (Europa String Choir) @ TapTech IV The Music's All That Matters construction of King Crimson Lite KCCC#12/Beatles/Wallace Spin/Parlophone a French paper gets Krimson Re: Possible co-conspirators... 1910 Fruitgum Co. Top Of The Hill New MusiKc for ETers: Carlos Peron x i x the world's my oyster cracker barrel o' fun house party Four Stars? Wanted: Digital Remaster"ers" survey ended Who' Who in the ET Logo? The tyranny of expectations Col. Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade Pseudo-sighting and thoughts ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:29:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Subject: NEWS: Trey Gunn Band in Baltimore Sep 16th Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Avenue Baltimore, Maryland The Trey Gunn Band Saturday, Sep 16th 2000 8:00pm On Saturday, Sep 16th, King Crimson Warr Guitarist Trey Gunn will perform with his band at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland. Admission is $15 for this is all ages show. No advance tickets will be available. Trey Gunn, a native Texan who now resides in the Pacific Northwest began his musical life at the age of 7 playing classical piano. His interest in music grew through various instruments -- electric bass, electric and acoustic guitar, keyboards, and now the touchstyle guitar. He has toured and recorded with many modern day masters in their fields -- Robert Fripp, David Sylvian, Michael Brook, John Paul Jones, Toni Childs and Vernon Reid. He is currently a member of the most unusual band of rock history -- King Crimson. For his role in this configuration of the group Gunn has helped evolve a new and unique instrument. Designed and built by Mark Warr of Warr Guitars this instrument is an 8-string guitar with the range of a piano. Gunn's unique sound can be heard, in depth, on his recently completed 3rd solo album "The Joy of Molybdenum" on Discipline Global Mobile Recordings. See http://www.treygunn.com/ for more information. The Trey Gunn Band: Trey Gunn: Warr Guitar Tony Geballe: Electric & 12-string guitars, saz Bob Muller: Drums, percussion Joe Mendelson: Warr Guitar, bass For more information about the Baltimore Progressive Rock Showcase Series, please visit The Progressive Rock Web Site at http://www.progrock.net/ -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Subject: NEWS: Markus Reuter (Europa String Choir) @ TapTech IV On the weekend of November 4th through 5th the fourth annual TapTech seminar and concert will be held at Orion Sound Studios in Baltimore, Maryland. The primary instructor for the weekend will be Markus Reuter, with other contributing "guest" instructors to be announced. All players of multi-stringed two handed tap instruments are welcome to attend the seminar regardless of experience level, string configuration, tuning or instrument make. Previous participants have attended with 8 and 12 string Warr Guitars, 10 String Austin Douglas Guitars, 10 and 12 string Chapman Sticks as well as standard 6 and 7 string electric guitars. The lesson plan for the weekend will include playing technique, repertoire, establishing the beat (body percussion class), playing posture, practice concepts, tunings/string configurations, improvisation and more. While primarily focusing on group work, there will also be the opportunity for personal meetings. German Warr Guitarist Markus Reuter is a professional musician working with the groups the Europa String Choir and CENTROZOON as well being an accomplished solo artist. Markus is also a professional psychologist and a coach for artists/musicians. He writes a regular column for Touchstyle Quarterly and is the main instructor for the "Tapeadores" courses for tapping musicians held in Spain. For more information about Markus Reuter, see http://www.europastringchoir.com/markus/ TapTech organizer Adam Levin, founding member of the modern technical rock group The Dark Aether Project, will give a demonstration of the use of effects and signal processing techniques in live performance and recording situations. For more information about Adam Levin, see http://www.darkaether.net/ For more information regarding TapTech, please visit http://www.DarkAether.Net/tt/ Warr Guitars, Austin Douglas Guitars and Chapman Sticks are trademarks of their respective manufacturers. TapTech is not financially affiliated with these companies. In the effort to provide an unbiased learning environment, TapTech does not take financial support nor endorsements from commercial entities. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 00 16:16:18 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: The Music's All That Matters In 724 Gnad remarked honored us with: >where I told him that I tend to call all that stuff - spanning from >Bowie to Talking Heads to Eno to Sylvian to Gabriel to all the others >- Gay >Music. Hey I hear you wondering. Explanation: Real music that is >produced >by homosexual artists is definitely superior. No doubt about it. >There's a >deeper sensitiveness in the words and in the music, and if you listen >really intensively to gay-rock-and-pop-verterans-music you will >acknowledge >that Hello Gnad... This is one twilight zone of a post if ever I read one. Personally, I don't think I'd put Rob Halford from Judas Priest, Richard Pinhas from Heldon or dudes from rocker bands like Mick Jagger or Pete Townshend into this same so called 'gay category' you refer to, even though it's been rumored that the latter three are and Halford I know for sure is gay. Lou Reed, David Geffen, Alice Cooper...all allegedly gay, but this little preference vis a vis sex really has little or no bearing on the music itself. Do I hear this in the music...no, and as I have always had a deep affection for Priest's career through the early eighties, it did indeed throw me for a loop for awhile there that Rob Halford, the almighty leather and harley davidson persona, could actually be of this lifestyle. No biggie though as this one little difference could hardly overshadow what JP did for me or get in the way of my enjoyment of their music. This band actually recorded Peter Green's epic dark tale 'Green Manalishi' and Joan Baez's 'Diamonds And Rust'. I bought an album once by the Tom Robinson Band from England, a 70's outfit(my favorite musical decade for sure along with the 60's), who were blatantly gay and I really didn't catch on to this at first but the music on this 'Power In The Darkness' LP was pretty hard rockin and a bit militant in the lyric department but it mattered little that these boys enjoyed same gender bed partners, the music rocked pretty strong. The way I see it is that sensitivity comes in all forms, and there are many ways that normal heterosexual and even freakier people might be able to equally express human emotion and feeling, through music with lyrics or purely instrumental compositions. I really don't think gay people have stronger human emotions or are more sympathetic towards fellow humans than those who are un-gay. Basic human emotion and sensitivity comes more from something non sexual and something more spiritual I would think. (like this is the way I felt in my teens/twenties or something???) In my collection, Eno would be next to the KC section, and David Sylvian, at least on the only thing I own by him, Approaching Silence, would be placed in my electronic music section, bla bla bla.... To again paraphrase a book on prog's title that I still haven't read...and to further remind all (wo)mankind, "The Music's All That Matters". and don't forget to go out and get my pick of the month: Ash Ra Tempel-Gin Rose Pleasant journeys, dv ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:27:22 -0500 From: "David F. Snyder" Subject: construction of King Crimson Lite > Trey Gunn's Warr guitar doesn't have enough attack either. > ... > Love, Harvey, the invisible rabbit. Reflect on the many meanings of the word "light." TG obviously opted for this sound, for whatever reason(s) and constructed it light. When he played with Eric Johnson this last Spring there was plenty of attack from the very same instrument. Kind regards, dave, the indivisual ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:03:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Darryl Subject: KCCC#12/Beatles/Wallace Howdy, Does anyone know who the 1st generation Crim is who is upset with the release of the Hyde Park show? My guess is it isn't Ian McDonald, who was working with Fripp on J. Wetton's new album. I haven't read the DGM Guestbook lately, but Fripp invited this individual to make their argument on there. As for all the 'chit-chat' lately about the Beatles influence on KC, I don't think "People" sounds like "I Want You(She's So Heavy)" as someone suggested. To me it always sounded like the Red Hot Chili Peppers! But the part of "I Want You.." that follows: 'Sheee's so...' sounds very Crim-like. Excuse me for not being born until the 70's, but which was released first: ABBEY ROAD or ITCOTCK? And lastly, has anybody else been reading Ian Wallace's DGM diaries? They're hilarious. I used to only(or mostly) read only Fripp's entries, but now I read Wallace's too. What happened to that guy? Did he quit or was he fired from KC? That's my two cents or more, Darryl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:54:09 EDT From: OTotor0 at aol dot com Subject: Spin/Parlophone TCoL has received a 6 out of 10 review in the most recent US issue of Spin, that bastion of hipness and good taste. If you'd like to check it out I believe the guy from Creed (currently perhaps the worst band the US has to offer- sorry, world) is shirtless on the cover. Maybe that's the pro-Fripp push their reviewer needed. Next time show us your boobs, Bob! Try as I might, I can't find the Parlophone allusion on Red's cover, though I admit to only owning the CD version. Anyone? Aah, the sadness of being a child of the '80s (and an American as well, where we had to deal with Beatle atrocities like "Rock and Roll I & II" and "Reel Music." Thanks, Capitol.) -Thom "...and yet it's OK to like the Bay City Rollers" Soriano ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:03:52 +0100 (WET DST) From: Xavier Ozouf Subject: a French paper gets Krimson Hello everybody, I wish to signal that the french magazine Rock&Folk talked a lot of KC in its last releases : - positive review of Tcol, with an average note, wich means "fans will like it, others may check before" - "discorama" rubrique featuring Mr RF himself, mainly commenting his KC discography... *nihil novi* but good to hear from him, and seeing him in one or two fine photos. (July or August ed.) - (the one I write for, echoing to some debates here in ET) concert review on Sept ed (out now) (rough quick translation): KC 25 june, Olympia (Paris) There's no KC other than instrumental but AB, in this parisian summer night, got the bad idea to get to the mic for about a third of the show. With the desastrous consequences one can imagine. Ha! those bloody vocals interventions that, undisturbly (??), came wrecking the splendid bleedy architectures that RF boldly built, as to signify the imminence of an apocalypse (as he has promised since "In the court...") . But the circled-glass daredevil, finaly, didn't noted and went on knitting alone by his side his acides and venenous arpeges from wich he's now the uncontested owner. We were still alive around 22h30, on the 25 of june 2000, but Good Lord how the Frippian guitar, ate into by a death macabre power, can sometime get scarry. Even very scarry. Alain Orlandini You can figure how hard it is to translate, but would have been ununderstandable to lots of you in french... I don't agree about the AB bit, but I've neer SEEN KC in concert... Else on R'nF : - they don't like Yes and Genesis, they don't like prog in general, except when it does not say (how about Radiohead, uh?)... yet they love KC and Robert Wiatt... imagine he and RF sitting in front of a scene doing their marvellous out- of-this-world arts ! - in every release, if you look close enough, you'll find a quote or something about KC. Latest big (to me) : in the Smashing Pumpkins interview this spring, B Corgan said about their (new) bassist (coming from C Love's Hole) that she had two group she wanted to be in, SP second choice, and KC in first (then the article says "laughs" but we'll never really know if its truly ironical). SP did some fine stuff wich could be classified in the "melodic works", thus close to prog. I think more precisly of "Porcelina of the ocean seas" and two or three others in their brilliant "Mellon Collie..." and also in their latest album "Machina..." Have a nice day and/or night everywhere Xavier PS about Beatles : since they are the greatest POP band of all (pop) time yet (and I defy anyone to say this is not true), there's no way one could NOT be influenced by their work. Everyone is ! I admit one can dislike their music, but not recognizing genius when faced to it proves great lack of sensibility (yet still you can like it or not). But anyway something not controversial is of no interest ! PSPS : I was in Cambridge last Monday and I've seen a guy with a Thrack TShirt >>> "Krimson Rules!" Boite aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:47:15 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "John Murphy" Subject: Re: Possible co-conspirators... >From: mujoh at att dot net >Subject: Re: Possible co-conspirators... I have also suggested Vernon as an opening act on DGM guestbook. Not only would he be an ideal opener, but I move for him being an addition to KC lineup (can't say that I would strike anyone from the surrent lineup though). > 2. Vernon Reid. Either as an opening act or possibly working with them. > Can you see Vernon and Belew working together on something? Or with Fripp? > Psychotic! Vernon is a demon on the guitar, and needs to get back out in > the spotlight--too much good talent goes unnoticed these days. A while back Robert made reference (diaries) to meeting with Vernon and listening to some new stuff he had recorded. I think I also remember reading another entry of Robert's that he had gone to see Vernon/Masque at some point during the Mistaken Identity tour (may be wrong here, guess it could've been one of those wacky dreams of mine). As a side note, has anyone heard the word on Vernon's new stuff? Release dates? (private emails please...). Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 00 12:26:29 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: 1910 Fruitgum Co. In 726: >Months late TCOL has been locally released here in Australia. My >God! >(in >Crimson terms) we have a pop record ! Its great! Well phrased, and while it's for this reason I'll pass on this CD, the item is fully within RF's rights as an artist to do and make a few bucks for all his trials and tribulations in the dog eat dog world of the music industry. It becomes quite obvious that this leans toward the world of quasi commercialism as is seen with all these strange posts about top forty artists such as Bjork/Britny Spears(a teen bubblegum artist)/Mariah Carey etc, singing along side of RF and Co. How can this be happening to the almighty prog lords King Crimson I ask? And on an even more negative note(to some), I too believe that the vocal tendencies of AB are way to close to the pop chanteuse masters the Fab Four in many of the vocal outings I've heard on Thrak and TCOL. And yes, early KC, on select tunes, also had this leaning albeit a bit more palatable. Taking this one further, there is a track, I think it's the third track on the recently reissued Keith Tippett Group CD, You Are Here I Am There, that pretty much marches right into the Hey Jude rhythm structure. Very poor taste this on KT's part and luckily, the segment is shortlived as well as the track, at barely 3 minutes long. The Beatles we're alright in the very beginning of music appreciation in my life(1970) but with the stacks of other material out there, they simply became overplayed on the radio and tv, and saturated to the point of extinction from my collection and very boring after awhile with no real musical prowess really showing up other than great songwriting. And they certainly didn't influence too heavily most of the bands I listen to nowadays anyway. Some people give the Beatles the credit for inventing all of the music that followed after they 'went down a storm in the States'. This is a true blindness on the part of people that grew up in a society that spoon fed them this stuff through commercial radio and TV hype. BTW, does anybody remember the Beatles infamous 'Butcher Cover' album on VeeJay records the from 1963 or 64 featuring the band dismembering little infant dolls? Now that's a Beatles LP worth owning(purely for collectibility purposes). This was truly their most avant garde moment. Iiiiiiiiit's dave ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 00 13:37:00 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: Top Of The Hill Hello Friends, While Groon has nice passages and jams complete, it is really track 5, the improv, that resembles most the soloing of John Mclaughlin on Summit Studios. Also on Summit, 'The Creator Has A Master Plan'...whose title is this? I want to guess Donovan but can't say...I actually have a live CD by a Dutch or German band called Sweet Smoke that features a nice jam of this song but the writer is not credited on the CD. The Summit Studios release is stupendous per previous mailing and a fantastic as all hell recording quality as this was a direct soundboard/radio show captured to tape. It really feels to me that on the radio appearance in Colorado, the band was very comfortable and happy with themselves as the jamming is flawless and each musician plays impeccably. Rob is all over the fretboard and plays some fantastic solos all throughout the jam. Now I can clearly see the value of becoming a KCCC member as some releases might be lame, the ones that kick tuckas make up for the duds. Other noteworthy KCCC's IMO are Jacksonville, Bremen, Central Park and Marquee with the latter probably being the poorest of them all vis a vis recording quality. While the Epitaph discs are pretty muddy in places, RF used good judgement in not including the Marquee tape for that release. The other discs appended, 3 and 4, are inferior to discs 1 and 2 but alot better than Marquee. Stuck in the past but looking at the future, dv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:52:57 +0200 From: "Markus Gnad" Subject: New MusiKc for ETers: Carlos Peron Hello all! For King Crimson are on holiday now, I'd like to grab the opportunity to create a new thread: New MusiKc for open-minded ETers. Maybe everyone should once in a while recommend and present a certain artist or theme which could be interesting for the readers / contributors. If Toby doesn't have anything against it - I'd like to start off. What to do on a sunny day? Well, listen to the music of the sensational Carlos Peron. Former founder member of Swiss band Yello, releasing and producing solo since the early 80's. A wide range of great music is offered - from novel soundtracks to books from Canadian/German author/musician Ady Henry Kiss (Baker's Barn, Canyons, Manhattan II, 1999, Atlantic City), to the great soundtracks for knight's stories told by Peter Ehrlich. Famous for producing the European band Wolfsheim and also working with many many other artists - Dark Ruler, European TV channels, Nitzer Ebb, DAF, Anthony Moore, DE/Vision and so many others. Carlos is working on a number of erotic projects (including soundtracks), and is known for beating the hell out of you with wildest techno sounds. Recommended: - Die Schwarze Spinne (Soundtrack) - Ritter Tod & Teufel (Knights Stories) - Baker's Barn (Novel Soundtrack) - La Comtesse Rouge OK try out www.carlosperon.de You'll like it. Markus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:27:40 -0700 (PDT) From: jan geerts Subject: x i x greetings crimlings, does anybody know what the ProjeKct 1 titles mean? slukes, Sound Mind ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 00 13:40:24 EDT From: Ty Perry Subject: the world's my oyster cracker barrel o' fun house party i was wondering if adrian belew was changing the lyrics around to "the world's my oyster soup kitchen floor wax museum" on tour pseudo-improvisationally, just because it's fun to do. 2 that i thought up were "half"-"ass"-"backwards" and "discipline global mobile"-"home". anybody think of any others? ty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 14:43:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: Four Stars? I happened to be checking the DGM web page for the upcoming Hyde Park release and noticed that while they have not posted any sound samples yet, DGM has given the sound quality of this release a four star rating! Now *that* sounds like something to look forward to, assuming they can get the permission of all involved to actually release the damn thing! --Art ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 13:33:18 PDT From: "Brian Barton" Subject: Wanted: Digital Remaster"ers" Hello all. I collect "unofficial" recordings of shows from King Crimson, YES, and other artists. While it's great to have so many shows to listen to, my enjoyment is tempered somewhat by the knowledge that they don't all sound as good as they might. Digital remastering is obviously the answer, but the way things are going financially I don't think I'm going to be buying a computer for a while and I doubt that most of these performances will be processed and officially released by DGM. What I would like to find then is someone with the technology and the know-how to do it for me in return for getting to add these shows to your own collection. I would especially like to find someone who has a quick turnaround and wouldn't mind remastering shows from bands they don't care about in return for the ones I've had remastered by other people. Having access to a Mini-Disc player would be nice so I could send near-perfect copies, but I could also send tapes, and I am open to hearing from people outside the USA. If you have a computer and the right kind of software, please take a look at my list at http://geocities.com/bartbri and let me know if you'd be interested. Thanks. - Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 14:25:55 -0500 From: "Aaron P Deglanville" <"aaron_deglanville"@uhc.com> Subject: survey ended I was just informed that the data I wanted to see with the "Top 12" survey is available at this link, in an ongoing survey: http://shyney.tripod.com/files/vote.htm You can vote for as many albums as you want--just check your "favorites". A pretty cool system and site--so I'll reluctantly discontinue my posted survey. Thanks to Fedor Smirnof for bringing the site to my attention, and Andrew Loban for maintaining it. peace (an end) aa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:34:28 EDT From: MongoBoy at aol dot com Subject: Who' Who in the ET Logo? I was looking at the ET Logo today at the top of the home page. I'm curious if anyone has I.D. the faces in the letters that make of the words " ELEPHANT TALK." Sorry if this is in the FAQ. I can make out a few of them. Does anyone know? Rgds, ML ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 01:35:49 EDT From: EvolverTCB at aol dot com Subject: The tyranny of expectations Greetings disciplinarians I have just discovered the elephant talk website (curiously enough while using a search engine to seek pictures of actual elephants) and was amused to read the section on the Fripp's replies to postings. The general tenor is that a listener would compare the fripp to the organ of proctological specialty, and he would reply with fusillades aimed at the abovementioned tyranny of the listeners' expectations. What I wish to remind the interested listeners is that Mr. Fripp is a follower of georges gurdjieff, an inimitable Russian mage who often acted like a complete a***hole to keep his followers from growing dependent on him. Mr. Gurdjieff taught what he called 'the way of the clever man', a synthesis of control over mind, body, and emotions. He taught that most people are asleep, and said he was merely a hired man whose job was to wake them. One of the most important tools, self-remembering, consisted of paying close attention to one's own mental processes while going about one's daily business. I suspect this is part of what Mr. Fripp meant when he said that disgruntled listeners should be paying more attention to their own attitudes. If any of you have old vinyl copies of Fripp's Exposure, you may recall that a voice on the record says 'it is impossible to achieve the aim without suffering.' If you look at the tiny writing scratched into the vinyl near the inner groove of side 2, you will read this: The aim is freedom, conscience and truth. Tom Buckner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 05:13:23 -0700 From: "R. Jackson" Subject: Col. Les Claypool's Fearless Flying Frog Brigade I took April and my mother to see Les Claypool's new band Saturday night at the Fillmore in San Francisco. It's a six-piece outfit that includes original Primus/Sausage members Jay Lane and Todd Huth plus a new guitarist, a keyboardist and a sax player. They opened the set with King Crimson's "Thela Hun Gingeet" and the evening just flew from there. A number of great tunes working out the improvisational skill of the band followed, ending with a throbbing, chugging cover of Pink Floyd's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" suite. The band took a short break and came back for a second set that was Pink Floyd's Animals album in its entirety. Les walked out at the beginning of the set with a pig mask on and sang "Pigs On The Wing (Part One)" before taking off the mask and settling into the meat of the album. At the end of the set he pulled on the ol' pig head again to wrap up with "Pigs On The Wing (Part Two)" before walking off the stage to a thunderous round of applause. A few minutes later the band walked out and did an encore of the Primus classic "Harold Of The Rocks". Les explained to the audience that Jay Lane and Todd Huth were his friends and the original band known as Primus in 1984 and that he was happy to be able to pull out a piece of their history in the form of "Harold..." so many years down the road. All in all it was a wonderful evening's entertainment and a nice little Bay Area flashback to see these guys on stage together. It was also cool to have my 79-year-old mother in the Fillmore watching a full-on liquid light show with pot being smoked all around us while Les and the boys lit the place up. We all had a great time. I recommend catching this tour if it comes near you. -Rob http://home.att.net/~jackson.robert.r/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:48:35 -0400 From: "melvin zirkes" Subject: Pseudo-sighting and thoughts Hey out there, About 2 weeks ago, I caught Daevid Allen and the University of Errors show. At some point, they did a few Elephant guitar screeches that triggered me to compare the show to King Crimson: Not the sound really, but the environment. It was totally contrary to anything you'd see going on at Crimson. Flashes and cigarettes (more than tobacco) everywhere. I totally enjoyed it, but not to complain about Crimson's attitude. I only bring it up because they finished up by saying they were going to play an "anti-prog song, partially written by Fripp, whose authorship is in question," to which someone in the audience blurted out, "so is everything by Fripp." The guitar player responded to the comment, "Fripp would be giving you such a glaring right now," then they broke into a parody of 21st Century Schizoid Man. It was a blast. I wanted to comment quickly on some of the membership discussions that have been going on. First of all, I hope Belew never leaves. Actually, if I could think of anything negative to say about anyone that has ever been in the group, I would refrain. However, I think the studio band idea was pretty interesting. I have always been a little saddened that I will probably never see 21st Century Schizoid Man performed live, but I am equally looking forward to seeing Lark's Tongues Part IV and everything else on the new album. A studio Crimson would open the doors for all sorts of collaborations which probably will never occur. How about Zorn? Or Bill Laswell? I couldn't see either one taking the time out of their multiple projects to tour, but I'd bet they'd love the chance to work in the studio. I also wanted to comment on the suggestion of Marilynn Manson as a vocalist. Well, when I though about it, I realized that he probably would totally kick-ass with Crimson, but if flash bulbs bother Fripp, what the hell would he do with that? Scott ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #727 ********************************