Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #725 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 725 Wednesday, 9 August 2000 Today's Topics: Belew no discussion about keeling's tcol-analysis? KC and the Beatles Band The Missing Crims Bjork the soulmate Bungle does Britney? Belew does Beatles? Construction Of Light Shines!!!!!! what spider fingers himself said about pre-thrak songlist KC, Don Ellis and me Possible co-conspirators And_here's_another_clue_for_you_all... Guide to guides :-) re: meshell nedegeocello, ade, marilyn and tour news Re: Alice Autographed Fripp item on ebay A couple of Crimso related shows! why all this Belew bashing? KC and the Beatles Happy family, one hand clap.... Stick for sale Pat's Speaking On Deception Of Thrush Fayman & Fripp Past pumpkin Bowling ball New PG CD hits the racks ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 10:17:04 EDT From: Belewp at cs dot com Subject: Belew Belew is a genious pure and simple. The other mmebers of King Crimson are lucky to have such a talented person to perform music with. I guess I could say that about every member of the presen t Krim. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:34:47 +0200 From: Roderich von Detten Subject: no discussion about keeling's tcol-analysis? good evening hippies, something really interesting happened - and there should be no major reaction in ET about it? with andrew keelings analysis "King Crimson: The ConstruKction Of Light", published on (at? - sorry...) the dgm-website in the "present moment"-section, we have a rare, elaborated and (concerning ambitions and claims) highly interesting example of an interpretation of our Krimson's recent work. and if nobody else begins with a discussion of keeling's analysis, i try to do so and try to be the catalysator of what may become a more interesting and more dignified discussion than the latest brouhaha about the faboulous singer/frontman/composer/guitarist-of-wonder-and enjoyment of the current krimson lineup. (and here i agree with TW (Dr. P) 's estimation "that Elephant Talk has gotten a lot more fanboy foolish in recent months") . andrew keelings analysis: a statement from the ivory tower, if it is allowed to play with mr fripp's harsh metaphor of the "basement-dweller" given, that "speaking about music is like dancing about architecture" (sorry - i don't remember who it was, to speak out what surely everybody among us has thought many times in his life before - and why not: i do think that it is as possible as interesting to speak about music) in my opinion the observation of tcol by mr keeling is problematic in at least two ways: a) the formal level: the claim of the analysis is to be an objective analysis - and the statements of it are made in a very apodictical, definitive and strict way: "the pieces have the function of..." (what makes him understanding the pieces in this way?).., "Ten is a number of..." (in which context?), "...the instrumental pieces objectify something which lies..." (can instrumental pieces "objectify" anything?)....etc.pp. perhaps my problem with the text is that i do not know much about gurdjieff and his way of determining and analyzing examples of "objective art", the "fourth way" etc. but, the question goes out to you, do you see, from another point of view, tcol as the same static and defined "objective art-work"? b) the level of content: there are a few points (or random thoughts; seen as starting points for a collective tcol-discussion in ET) i would like to refer to: - the postmodern "reading" of tcol: imho there is quite a wild mixture of postmodern theories appearing throughout the analysis, and keeling seems trying to interpret tcol as an "exquisitely postmodern" piece of art (btw, how does this fit to the reading of tcol as a piece of objective art?): you can very quickly discover Derrida ("deconstruction", "logocentrism") and Deleuze ("rhizome") and the fellow french crimsters surely will find some other fellow-countrymen. is there anybody out there who agrees with mr keelings analysis? other readings? - the (logocentric! - see Derrida) oppositions / dichotomies of bright vs. dark, sun vs. moon, masculine vs. feminine etc. that keeling uses to describe that ",as in previous King Crimson works, TCOL is reconciling opposing tendencies" - do you agree with keeling? (speaking for myself: i think this is an interesting point) - the numerical mysticism: "ten is the number of completion" etc. - the characterisation of Belew's part as the "human dimension" and Fripp's part as the "otherness" - the resuming suggestion of keeling, that "the album may be regarded as a gradual unfolding of 'light' as a means of conveying musical, or otherwise, 'truth' " to make it simple: do you recognize "your" tcol in the analysis of andrew keeling? (to state it clearly: i think the analysis is very profound and well written and a brilliant starting point for a diskussion, though (or because) i do not agree with him in several points) and, a last point: wouldn't it be highly interesting to know what mr fripp (or any other member of Krimson) ,as a person who intimately knows the crimson king for over 30 years now, thinks of the keeling-analysis? i almost would like to invite him to give us his opinion (fripp sometimes invites his interlocutors to comment on his thoughts or comments). it is difficult to invite him to do so on the dgm-guestbook, because there he is the host, and i am the guest. ET is not about Krimson, but about ourselves and Krimson. so we should politely invite mr fripp to visit our forum - to comment on the keeling analysis. i think this would be interesting and challenging for us. in looking forward to any reaction on this greetings (and sorry for the lenght of the posting) roderich ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:20:38 -0500 From: "Chip Orr" Subject: KC and the Beatles Band In ET # 722, James Hannigan writes "As for non-AB KC, the only clear instance of a Beatles relationship (other than the lyrical reference in Happy Family) I know of is Cat Food. Anyone recognize Come Together in there?" The chorus to "Ladies of the Road" could not be more Beatlesque if it tried. Indeed, I've always thought that the reference to "apples we stole in our youth" was a pun on how Beatlesque the chorus is. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 15:36:13 EDT From: MarkJX at aol dot com Subject: The Missing Crims > In a message dated 8/3/00 2:44:44 PM Mountain Daylight Time, et@blackcat. > demon.co.uk writes: > > > P.S.3: I miss Levin, but what the hey. Same goes for Bruford. > > > > If you miss Levin, then go buy his albums. Waters of Eden is great. He also > offers a great addition to the California Guitar Trio's ROCKS THE WEST, and I' > m sure he's plenty busy working on other projects. > > Same goes for Bruford. > > Also, I would argue that there's plenty of Levin on TCoL, played by Gunn, > due to his contribution to the ProjeKCts. I do, however, miss a REAL bass > guitar (as opposed to the Warr) and upright in the mix, having just dusted > off Thrak. > > Mark J. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 21:02:13 +0000 From: "Orn_Orrason" Subject: Bjork the soulmate It's interesting that the subject Bjork and Fripp is brought up now. I suggested more than year ago in the DGM list that Fripp and Bjork were a perfect mate and they should consider working together. To this Robert responded in his diaries saying that this would indeed be an honour but in this case he would be waiting for the phone to ring (respect respect). Few weeks later after this conversations Fripp was approached with a request from Bjork if she could record Mary from Exposure. Coincidence? Bjork in King Crimsom will never happen. She will not join a band these days. Get real here. King Crimson is an old hat. Bjork doing some work with Fripp- I can see that happen. Indeed my senses say that this collaboration is bound to happen because they are a kind of soulmates. The forces will get them together. I think something wonderful might happen. Bjork has done some extraordinary things when she just steps in an records over someone elses work. Some of these recordings are only available in Iceland and sung in Icelandic. Fripp is known for same qualities (Scary Monsters) Bjork is now on crossroads in her carreer, her musical output suffers from good input from coworkers as I feel she alone is not sufficient. For Fripp it's the same, his soundscapes need input to bring them higher levels. Bj'o'rk has his Icelandic "ooh or 'o' " in the middel same as my name. You spell her name just like "jerk" I am thinking of suggesting this to Bjork if I bounce on her in the streets here (Reykjavik) or more likely in the local swimming pool (we go to the same one !!) regards ----------------------------------------------- Orn Orrason Msc VP of Data network & Installations Islandssimi T: +354 595 5006 M: +354 696 4603 E: orn dot orrason at islandssimi dot is ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:13:14 -0500 From: "Aaron P Deglanville" <"aaron_deglanville"@uhc.com> Subject: Bungle does Britney? Belew does Beatles? >Incidentally, I heard an outtake of Mr. Bungle (actually, it sounded like >Mike Patton with a keyboard and drum machine) performing an extremely goofy >version of Britney Spears' "Hit Me Baby One More Time" recently. It really >broadened my appreciation for that song. Actually, it's not Bungle. Someone mislabelled that MP3 (on good authority from Trey in interviews, and on the Mr Bungle FAQ). Just discovered Belew's "Desire of the Rhino King" (compilation of three out-of-print albums, if I'm not mistaken). It became an instant essential in my collection, by far the best Belew I've heard--incredibly diverse, rich, and challenging. Apropos to the "Beatley Belew" discussion, he does pay more than a passing nod to other avowed influences on this disc, doing an excellent Bowie on one track, and a dead-on Byrne on several others (though I have to admit that the liberal Beatleisms in Thrak seriously compromised my appreciation for that album). aa P.S. I would like to concur with recent posters in highly recommending Vincent Gallo's"Buffalo 66"; 'Yes' is also on the soundtrack, if that's any further incentive ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:39:05 EDT From: ChalkPie88 at aol dot com Subject: Construction Of Light Shines!!!!!! Just wanted everyone to know (in case anybody's interested) that I was listening to "The Construction of Light" in my car yesterday and I think it has just hit me that this album is AMAZING!! FracKtured is simply outrageous!! Totally virtuosic, pompous, mean, powerful, and different. Long live KC!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:31:54 -0400 From: Michael Adler Subject: what spider fingers himself said about pre-thrak songlist Below is material from Robert Fripp, from his DGM diaries. His diary entry also presents intriguing ideas about Napster debate. -- Moving along in historic mode, and responding to repeated posters in ET who would love Vincent to paint a few more "Starry Nights" (it was his best period, after all), I would enthusiastically support the creation of a Crimson "tribute" band which would play classic Crim material of any period. I would sit in one of the front 6 rows, alternatively stand near the stage, cheer loudly and shout for "Schizoid Man", "Fracture", "Starless", "Larks' I & II", "I Talk To The Wind", "Epitaph", "Book Of Saturday", "Exiles", "The Night Watch" & "Red" at the very least, assuming that the tribute band restricts itself to 1969-74. Boy, would I love to see & hear the group that could play these. It wouldn't be King Crimson, but it would be a real hummer of an outfit. Does anyone believe a band of this calibre is likely to happen sometime soon, and be remotely interested in playing the historic material of someone else? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 23:21:28 EDT From: JMyers615 at aol dot com Subject: KC, Don Ellis and me First about me; I've been reading and enjoying ET since 1996. I have a love for both rock and jazz my so music collection is evenly divided between the two. I noticed a long time ago that I gravitate to music with "odd" time siginatures, it seems my natural rythm is anything but 4/4. In 1970 I bought two albums that changed my musical life, ITCOTCK and a double LP "Don Ellis at Fillmore". Since then KC has taken me on a musical odyssey of incredible depth, quality and versatility that continues today 30 years latter! Don Ellis is my jazz favorite because he like KC had a knack of performing music with great contrasts and amazing scope from the poignantly beautiful to the intensly powerful. But alas Don Ellis died on Dec. 12, 1978 of a heart attack. He was 44, ironic since he avoided playing in 4/4( he once described a song he played in 4/4 as 5/4 minus 1). In ET # 710 Tim Bowness, much to my suprise, brought Don Ellis into ET with his post tiltled "tricky time signatures". One minor correction to Tim's post, "....the wonderful Don Ellis ' Live at Montreaux' (1966)" is more likely the Pacific Jazz release 'Live in Monterey' (1966) that is currently available as a CD reissue. There is an album titled ' Live in Montreaux' this one is on Atlantic and was released in 1977 and at this point has yet to be reissued as a CD. These two albums mark the beginnig and end of Don's big band recordings, there are a total of 12, only 3 are available currently as CD's. Columbia has reissued the excellent ' Electric Bath' (1967) and the most recent release is 'Live in 3 2/3 /4 Time' (hows that for a title) on Pacific Jazz. Tim went on to say "it is conceivable the the early Crimson could have heard him (Ellis), I'm pretty sure Zappa did." It is possible that Crimson heard Don Ellis Pre-ITCOTCK but only the only the "boys in the band" could answer that question. As far as FZ most Ellis bios credit him with playing on an early Mothers of Invention album, "Absolutely Free". The credits for the CD release lists a "trumpet player" on the song titled "Brown Shoes Don't Make It". Anyway they both lived in LA during the 60's and 70's so it is likely that Ellis and Zappa knew about each other. Next Craig responded to Tim's post by launching into a "Don't say Ellis is better than Miles" diatribe. The simple facts are that Miles is a legend and deserves to be and Don Ellis is underrated and dosen't deserve to be. What I strongly disagree with is Craig's dismissal of Ellis because of ".....his tendency to crank out big band renditions of current pop tunes is a questionable practice for a 'trailblazer' of any sort" This is far from the truth. It sounds to me that Craig is judging Ellis on one LP "Connections" (1972). I checked all 12 of Ellis' big band records from 1966 to 1977 and out of exactly 100 songs only 16 could be considered covers of "current pop tunes". "Connections" contains 9 of the cover tunes including Don's low point "Alone Again Naturally" Yuck! If all you ever heard of Ellis' big band music was "Connections" ( it is also a misnomer to call this a soundtrack album when the only song from the movie "The French Connection" is the title tune) you would have come to the wrong conclusion. The music Ellis composed and/or arranged had tremdous energy, dramatic changes and even a sense of humor like the 17:31 min. live masterpiece "Strawberry Soup" from the "Tears of Joy" (1971) album. A quote from Don circa 1967 "I expect the audience to come up to my level, I am not interested in compromising my music to make it palatable to an assumed sub-standard mass." My guess is the covers concept on "Connections" was record company pressure. It was the last album Don did on the Columbia label and his label mate Maynard Fergusen was cranking out big selling (for jazz) albums full of IMHO well arranged and well played "current pop tunes" So the A&R guy at Columbia likely said "Yo Don why don't you do an album like Maynard". In ET # 714 Ted White makes the point that Don's early 60's quartet/quintet recordings along with his work with George Russell are his most important work. I agree that this is his most "serious" work but it dosen't appeal to me the same as his big band era that came latter. Also in ET # 714 Tim Bowness wrote "I feel he's (Ellis) worthy of being slightly more than an ignored footnote in the history of jazz", well said Tim. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 00:48:48 EDT From: Signify71 at aol dot com Subject: Possible co-conspirators Just now catching up on my ETs, seeing as how the volume's slowed recently. In light of several recent suggestions about Bjork, etc., and possible co-conspirators, collaborators, opening acts, what-have-you, I thought I'd mention a few, if nothing but to share some music with some fellow ET'ers who might not otherwise care or know about these bands/singers: 1. The Tea Party. Possibly the strongest musical trio to come out of Canada since....Triumph :) (I wasn't going to say Rush, just having a laugh). Do yourselves a favor and seek these guys out! They do not play "conventional" rock and roll, nor do they play on "conventional" instruments (not all the time; they play a lot of things I can't even pronounce, like djembes, and so forth). I have an old article on them in which the singer mentions being influenced by KC, so there's your connection right there. Great stuff, all told, and would be a hell of an opening act. Goodness knows they need the exposure (no pun intended) in the states. 2. Vernon Reid. Either as an opening act or possibly working with them. Can you see Vernon and Belew working together on something? Or with Fripp? Psychotic! Vernon is a demon on the guitar, and needs to get back out in the spotlight--too much good talent goes unnoticed these days. 3. Steve Wilson. With or without Porcupine Tree, Steve does some interesting work with loops, soundscapes, etc. I'd like to see him (maybe with Richard Barbieri too) work with Fripp on some new soundscapes, myself, kind of in the "No Pussyfooting" or "Evening Star" vein. And no I'm not comparing him with Brian Eno, just thinking of the possibilities. 4. Heather Nova. I'm sure I'm going to get nailed for this, but Heather has a wonderful voice and an interesting way of approaching songwriting and structure. I'd just like to hear her cover things like "Matte Kudesai" or something. 5. Daryl Hall. He needs work :) Seriously, he's already worked with Fripp before, why not again? Again, I'm just trying to share with others, not implying that these aforementioned folks could do any member of KC's job better or that KC would be so much better if they would only bring in outside writers / players. And for the record, I cannot possibly imagine KC without Belew. I couldn't really imagine KC without Levin or Bruford, but I've dealt with it. Trey and Pat do an exceptional job of covering the rhythm section that I don't feel KC has lost the punch. TCOL still threatens to peel the paint off my walls at 10 paces when cranked, so...there you have it. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 10:51:53 +0200 From: "Markus Gnad" Subject: And_here's_another_clue_for_you_all... Hi everybody! A quick note: I recently subscribed to the Genesis newsletter thing. To all you ETers who think that ET is full of people throwing stones at each other and even at the artists... well, try this. But be sure to carry a gun with you. There was just one really interesting information coming in: "These 2 songs are the only 2 official songs I don't have. I want to hear them too. But I try to be patient and wait until November 6th '00 when boxset 2 will appear (for 99 % these 2 songs will be included). And it will be perfectly remastered on CD and not vinyl. Martijn" Byebye Markus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:18:33 +0700 From: "Alex" Subject: Guide to guides :-) There are so many guides to different Fripp's projects, that it's necessary to make yet another one -- a guide to all that guides. :-))) Alex. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 17:36:47 -0400 From: Kathryn Ottersten Subject: re: meshell nedegeocello, ade, marilyn and tour news Hi Crimpeoples, Just a few thougths that erupted from ET 724, and tour news (which I put last to force you, dear reader, to skim my drivel). First, Alfred Bello wrote: > How can anybody even consider or imagine King Crimson without Adrian? > First thougth through my pointy little head: about as well I could have imagined KC without Broof or T-Lev (and I like the new music). I give all KC possibilities an open ear and open heart. Even an Ade-less or Fripp-less KC. Second: Steve Gould wrote: > For a new or additional or even guest vocalist how about Meshell > Ndegeocello (don't ask me how it's pronounced). She's black, she's bald!, she's > beautiful, and she also plays bass! > She also plays keyboards and some percussion, and she is already tangetally related to krim music: Meshell occasionally plays in a band called Plane with Will Calhoun and David Torn (a member of Bruford-Levin Upper Extremities). I caught Plane in NYC at the Knitting Factory a couple of months ago, and it was a fantastic show of improv guitar loops, percussion and bass sounds. Very wild, and a treat for anyone who likes the Krim Projekcts. Third, Marcus Gnad, addressing female (dressed) krim vocalists, wrote: > The only possible choice would be, yeah, you have it, Marilyn Manson. > I like the idea, but only if Fripp takes on the look that Twiggy has. Otherwise the effect just does not work. Finally, some actual news: Some interesting tour dates have been posted on the Knitting Factory site for the NYC location (alas, tix are not on sale yet). sept 14 - trey gunn band - 1 show, 10:30. oct 18 - tony levin band - 2 shows, 8 & 10:30. Very exciting indeed! Add to these the November Soundscapes (which are free) and it is evident why NYC is the only place for crimheads to live (there I go again, starting a minor war). Kathy O. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 18:10:01 -0400 From: Kathryn Ottersten Subject: Re: Alice Hi Crimpeoples, I forgot this in my other, overly long, post: Malcom Xerxes asked for information about Alice, who sings on TG's "The Third Star" album. A number of fan pages exist about her, but the only one I have found in English is at: http://www.bahnhof.se/~jernberg/alice.htm Kathy O. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 16:40:13 -0700 From: studio seventeen productions Subject: Autographed Fripp item on ebay I put up a nice autographed Guitar Craft decal on ebay. Please visit www.ebay.com and search for user name ambient17 also currently up: Wetton/Bozzio/Jobson autographs, 77 genesis autographs cheers, dave at 17 www.pureambient.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 21:50:58 -0600 From: Mike Subject: A couple of Crimso related shows! Hi, for anyone in or near the Chicago area...you're probably gonna want to know about this... The following two shows will be at Martyrs', 3855 N. Lincoln Ave. Chicago. The phone # is (773) 404-9494 TREY GUNN hits the stage at Martyrs' on Wednesday, September 6th. Tickets are $15 and will be available at the door the night of the performance or through Ticket Master at (312) 559-1212. Trey's music relies heavily on the "deep groove" and subtle interplay between the band members. Overt solo's are few and far between. This ensemble (Trey on touch guitar, Tony Geballe on six string electric and Bob Muller...percussionist extraordinaire on all manner of things you hit and possibly a forth member on low-end touch guitar but unknown at this time.) dabbles in some very funky riffage and is something you definitely don't want to miss. If you're a fan of prog/worldbeat/fusion you'll dig it in a big way! For all things Trey...go to http://treygunn.com/. And speaking of digging it...the opener for this show is The All Rectangle. A quartet that has a very unique perspective on what it means to make music in the world today...The All Rectangle explains themselves this way: "The evolution of music. Few purveyors of music are concerned with its growth from a historical perspective. With the advent of technology many aspects of making music have evolved, but essentially the combination of live instrumentation and electronic sources has not been fully realized. The All Rectangle is a group of musicians committed to stretching the boundaries of music, technology, and genre with a completely unique approach. Consisting of four of the midwest's most diverse musicians, The All Rectangle brings together elements of jazz, drum 'n bass, electronica, classical, rock, and improvised music, creating original instrumental compositions that we like to call "ambient rock."" I've seen their live show, and can say with the utmost confidence...Don't come late this evening! The All Rectangle are one of the most impressive new music ensembles I've heard...being that they're local and are able to open this show is an extra treat. THE CALIFORNIA GUITAR TRIO returns to Martyrs' on Sunday, October 1st. The show starts at 8:00pm and tickets are $15. Check out their website at http://www.cgtrio.com/ for all the facts. More about the Trio (and upcoming shows that haven't been confirmed yet) in future updates...till then... thanks for supporting live music!! Michael Eisenberg -- Outre Music Music Beyond Boundaries ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 11:56:39 GMT From: "The Zep" Subject: why all this Belew bashing? The man has been part of King Crimson for nearly TWENTY YEARS!!!! thats a hell of a lot longer that anyone else (with the exception of Bruford) he is the perfect alter ego to Fripp and his wonderful guitar interplay with Fripp makes me thing they are as one instrument. So why all this negativity? Much that we as fans have come to know and love by King Crimson has featured this wonderful musician! I would like to know what he must think of all of this!!!!! -Michael Fratangelo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 14:59:23 EDT From: ADAMSHSHLD at cs dot com Subject: KC and the Beatles Hello all, I am pretty much a new King Crimson fan (I wasn't born until 2 month's after Discipline played at the Moles Club), and I'm an even newer listener of the Beatles. I had just bought the White Album, and I noticed at the end of track 5 (Wild Honey Pie) there is some acoustic guitar playing that sounds exactly like the beginning of the improv on disc 1 of the Epitaph Box Set. I looked in the notes, and Mr. Fripp says "Fans of the Mellotron will enjoy the lighthearted use of the preset rhythms during the improvisation that followed track 10" I'm just wondering if anyone else noticed this, and is this what Mr. Fripp is talking about. I just thought that some of you might find this of interest with the whole Beatles discussion going on. Looking forward to the US tour, Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:06:35 -0400 From: "Mindy M. Chen" Subject: Happy family, one hand clap.... With Regard to the Beatles..... I seem to remember that RF noted in his diary and liner notes to the great "Yong Person's Guide to King Crimson" Lp's that the very first song that the very first band worked on in a London basement, or rather, had a blow at, was Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. There are also allusions in these notes to the idea that the Giles, Giles, and Fripp Band was doing Beatles-camp without an audience. I would have to say i would be surprised if anypop band (can of worms, now open?) could avoid a johny and the Moondogs influence. P.S. I also believe that Happy family on Lizard is a beatles ref...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:28:33 -0700 From: "MightyOwl" Subject: Stick for sale i would please like to post this on e talk.. Chapman stick for sale 10 string indian rosewood 1997 model in mint cond w/ gigbag/strap/cable/book/tools 1100.firm Dan 215.794.0717 sidewalksoup at att dot net thanx! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:18:34 -0400 From: leslabb at ptd dot net Subject: Pat's Speaking On Deception Of Thrush I was listening to one of the Nashville shows, 05/20/2000, when I noticed I could make out alot of what Pat was saying. Pretty close to the beginning, Pat says what appears to be "Adrian is the greatest". Later on you can hear him say "Ladies and Gentlemen". Has anyone figured out what all he is saying? Les "Someone somewhere is doing I don't know what" Sir Aurthor Addington "What me worry?" Alfred E. Newman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 15:04:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Timothy Andrew Edwards Subject: Fayman & Fripp I recently received an advance copy of Fayman & Fripp's, "A Temple in the Clouds". I do not like, and am not very good at, describing music but - the closest that I can get to a description is this - if you like Fripp's "Evening Star" work with Eno, then you'll definately get into this (although it stands on it's own and has little in common with ES other than they are both beautiful recordings, IMO). Fripp's soundscapes are simply trance-like and Jeffrey Fayman's contributions are so integral to this music that I cannot even begin to imagine it without him. AND my wife likes it as well (which may be the first Fripp recording EVER to "reach" a female!!!). Buy this CD, put it in your player and set on repeat. --Timothy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:23:32 -0400 From: "T.J. Mathews" Subject: Past pumpkin >Great site this guy has...............~Craig >http://home.earthlink.net/~paulcarr/music_files/21CSPumpkin.html Yes Paul has been linked via the kctv url as well. But the pumpkin pic appeared on the net last year already. Consider this it's newer home. There is also the wonderful dc-et 30th anniversary cake that was created by the same person, previously given credit, who created the pumpkin. Pictures of said cake have also come and gone. Perhaps Paul can get one of those pics up as well. Over at the dc-et e-group you can view all sorts of pics... if you can get by our challenging mudslide earthquake gonna press a nail in ya approval process. tj, dc-et2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 20:37:43 -0400 From: "T.J. Mathews" Subject: Bowling ball The addition of "Bowling Ball" into the Crim lexicon (if I can use that word here) is a happy one for me and my fellow dc-etRs. They did not give me permission to tell you so but I'm on a roll sort of speak. We've had several of our gatherings at local area Bowling Alleys and this has proved fruitful towards easy friendship. None of us are exactly pin killers but the brew is usually good and we always find moments to be less serious Crimheads. Our choice location will be shut down in a few months so we need to find another soon. We also have a strong desire for Crim themed bowling shirts. So go ahead query for ETrs in your wood patch and see if they have time for fun. You might be surprised. starved for PXX, tj dc-et2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:50:32 +1000 From: "STUDER, Andrew" Subject: New PG CD hits the racks Well, I haven't seen it mentioned in E.T. yet, so perhaps that makes me amongst the first to have heard it.... or maybe not. Anyway, the new Gabriel CD has hit the shelves- "OVO". A few "warning points" are worthwhile, I think. - It's from PG's collaboration on the Millenium Dome. - It's a concept album based around a "fairy tale" invented by PG (included on the CDROM part) - most of the vocals are not by PG. In fact, the first track features a rap which, unfortunately, I don't think comes off. And it features Neneh Cherry (and another bloke I don't know) so it's not like he got second rate rap talent... Am I causing trepidation yet? Well in fact I find the album is growing strongly on me. Sonically, it's about as fabulous as you'd expect from a PG album. It's good to hear lots of real strings and brass. Hifis across the land will be sold using this album. It features several instrumentals that sound like descendents of PG's "Passion" style. There's lots of drum and loop oriented stuff, but lets face it, surely one of the benefits of running a world music label must be being able to ask fabbo musicians from all around the world to thwack on your album. In other words, the drum and loop oriented stuff sounds great. And, even though the songs are frequently sung by others, that PG writing style is still strongly evident. Oh, yes, I should mention - ObET - that Levin's on a few tracks. He doesn't cut as commanding a presence as on "So" or "Us"- in fact I had to make a point of listening out for his parts the second time I heard the album- but I think his playing contextually fits very well. I imagine that this is an album which will cause controversy amongst PG fans But I find myself wanting to keep listening to it and humming the songs. And for me, that's good enough. Andrew ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #725 ********************************