Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #711 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 711 Saturday, 15 July 2000 Today's Topics: Off The Cliff old songs Bainal Post &? Policing the Audience Re: Mr. Bungle RFG What If...? opener / Todd Another TCOL opinion Basement dweller strikes in Houston! Opening act for U.S. leg The Emperor's New Song by Bob's Expanding Headband, no photos please Wars/GG/UK Odd Time Sigs by the Old, Gray, and Sometimes Deceased Re: Mr. Bungle Easy money "how do you play it" Re: Belew in Mr. Bungle Re: Bjop[3~ no more magic Lost Giles not found! Re: The construKction of TCOL and other things Sounds / Bears Hyde Park II Critical writing Re: GIG REVIEW: London Gig! ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:44 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: Off The Cliff In addition to the post of rg429 at hotmail dot com re: "I Have a Dream" isn't exactly music to cruise to unless you're in the mood to drive yourself off a cliff.. but I digress" comes this: > When I bought TCOL I got in my car and listened to > it in one go while driving through the countryside. > > By the time of LTIAIV/CODA a storm arrived and the > wind nearly broke the trees. > As the guitar solo in CODA blasted through my NSX speakers > I found myself turning the car near a forest because > I couldn't go on any further. > > My hands were shaking. > > Markus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:32:42 -0400 From: Warren Melnick Subject: old songs >From: "Marcin Gokieli" >Subject: old songs > If the old material and the old band are not something you want to > associate yourself with, then change the name of the current lineup to > something besides "King Crimson". You either are KC or you are not. If > you refuse to play the material of the older bands then disassociate > yourself from them by choosing to rename yourself. Why? Did the '70s Crimson play the music written 20 or 30 years before? They played music they composed. Current lineup does the same. Should RF change his name if he wanted to play different music? ---------------- There was no KC music that was 20-30 years old during 70s Crimson, there was however music played from the previous lineups. Look at track 1, Disc 2 of Cirkus for instance: Written and recorded originally by Fripp, Lake, McDonald, Giles and Sinfeld, but played by Fripp, Collins, Burrell and Wallace in 1972. Then look at the last track on The Nightwatch. Same track in 1973 played by Fripp, Cross, Wetton and Bruford. Then check out LTIA3: It was played by many lineups as well. ---------------- > It would seem to me that the current lineup has chosen to keep the name in > order to sell more product but then treats itself as a separate entity from > the "old" KC when touring. What you write is rather unpolite. One should treat a band like KC - one that tries to bring new music - with respect. Fripp tries to build on a tradition, and using KC name is entirely his decision. You do not have any right to tell him what to do with it. -------- No disrespect is meant, rather constructive criticism. To be sure, I love the new music and I am looking forward to seeing and hearing it played live, as well as buying the full European tour box set. I have already stated so on the kingcrimsontv.com site. There has not been a single negative word spoken by me about TcoL. In fact "Frying Pan" has already become one of my personal KC favorites. --------- > If there are "bad" old songs then do not play them. But surely there are > some songs recorded during the 60s and 70s lineups of KC that are not so > awful that this band could stand to play them. Just go and spend about two or three thousands dollars on some good hifi equipment, and listen to the old discs. Remasters would sound better then what you get on a live show, especially with all the problems with the correct sound set. ------- You go spend whatever you want. I have spent far more than that on the equipment that I have, both in the analog and digital domain. What do remasters have to do with the live show? They are absolutely different (see earlier posts made by me on this list). I enjoy live music much more than studio releases. Studio releases are to live music as snapshots are to real people, a mere 1 or 2 dimensional cross section of a 4-dimensional event. Similarly, this is why I enjoy collecting live tapes of shows (I do NOT mean to start this argument again, please do not respond to this), because they are a more indicative cross-section of the band and the music to me. I heartily applaud everyone involved in bootlegtv for allowing me to be able to download and soon to purchase many of these snapshots in a way that causes the best sound, payment to the artists themselves and the least discomfort to the band. ------- > Quick question on a totally different point: How many out there agree that > the version of "Here Comes the Flood" that Peter Gabriel contributed to on > RF's Exposure is superior to the original? I read in some interview that it was the way the song was supposed to be,the 'orchestral ' one from PG I was arranged by the producer (Bob Erzin?) -------- OK - Everyone including PG himself agrees. I get it! ;-) Everyone can stop sending me email about this one! Sincerely, Warren Melnick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:08:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Basile Subject: Bainal Post &? I am not obsessed with King Crimson, except for the last 30 years. THIRTY YEARS, that was a favorite UK song, Wettons vocals, Holdsworth rifts. Ahhhhh! Reading where Robert has a challenging time playing FracKctured. Being a non-player, I was wondering what other ET players felt were extremely hard Crimson/ Fripp songs to play? I am sure some are obvious and some are not. I have to listen to TCOL once a day. Is there a support group out there for us? Maybe that is what ET is? Basile by the Three Rivers (Where Crimson is welcomed!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:46:55 EDT From: MongoBoy at aol dot com Subject: Policing the Audience In Et 709 Brad Wilmot made some good points about the whole photo [& bootlegging] issue that I agree with. In particular, > I hope things will improve because I love Crimson's music and I fear > Fripp will be > driven away by those who won't accept his conditions > for attending KC concerts. It would be truly unfortunate if KC threw in the towel before the US dates because the violations were to great to endure. I remember eagerly awaiting Zappa's '88 tour to make its way west, following it's progress thru the mid west & east coast and on to Europe before disbanding for good before ever making it to the West coast. Obviously different circumstances prevailed (internal problems with Zappa's band), but the sad feeling would be the same for many of us who've been reading the diaries and following the progress of the Euro tour. The impression I get is the negativity is outweighing the positivity of touring and touring may stop as a result. Brad's further comments lead me to a thought which certainly has to have been considered by Robert and his camp certainly Adrian who had first hand experience: > The suggestion about posting a warning that photographers will > get the boot makes sense. Post a threat to seize equipment, > too, if you must. Then do it. Maybe the word will get > out and things will change. Many a Zappa fan out there will recall Bald Headed John who would lurk on the edges of the stage at evey show, looking out over the audience searching for violators (usually tapers). When he spotted a violation in progress, John would jump into the crowd and confiscate the offenders equipment. John was (is) a BIG man not one that would normally incite resistance. I think the "bouncer" /security official could have the effect that Brad is suggesting. Post the signs, make the announcements, and follow thru with someone like Bald Head John to enforce the policies of the show. Word will get out and violations should decrease. Maybe not completely disappear but get to a level such that Robert's et al will keep performing. ML -Seattle, WA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:26:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Darryl Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle Hello ETer's, In ET#710 Michael Findlay wrote: >Does anyone know if A. Belew was ever a >member/participant in the group Mr. Bungle He was neither. Mr. Bungle is one of my favorite 90's bands and I don't think they've ever had any guest musicians besides string-instrument players. Someone in ET#710 mentioned Mike Patton who is the lead singer. He was also the replacement singer in Faith No More until they broke up. Mr. Bungle have been around since the early 80's, but only have 3 albums which all came out in the 90's. Very interesting music, not only time sigs but instruments keep changing constantly. Most KC buffs would enjoy them. Darryl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:02:23 -0400 From: John Ott Subject: RFG > Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:41:20 +0200 > From: Roderich von Detten > Subject: question conc. rieflin-fripp-gunn > > good evening hippies, > > is there anybody out there who is able to recommend either the > rieflin-fripp-gunn-collaboration "the repercussions of angelic behaviour" > or the rieflin-release "birth of a giant" (with fripp/gunn on it)? i'm > wondering which one to buy. thanx for (private?) replies! and greetings > > r. > I have both and like both. ROAB is more free form jamming and BOAG is more structured songs from Bill as the main songwriter. Also consider Ten Seconds (Bill Forth and Jeff Fayman with Fripp and Reiflin and others) Get all three! later John DC-ET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:30:09 -0400 From: "Snow, Rick" Subject: What If...? The other morning, whilst rousing myself from slumber, my mind drifted to a different frequency (as is its wont in the early a.m.) and picked up a wonderful idea that I believe Mr. Fripp should try. He should record a brief QuickTime movie for the DGM website that is him walking away. He should then turn around, face the camera and "greet" the visitor with a "Hey, how are you? Good to see you again. Glad you stopped me. Do you have any questions?" Then a series of questions should pop up and the webvisitor gets to pick one--like "What is your favorite King Crimson line-up?" or "Will you listen to my tape if I send it to you?" and then the Mr. Fripp movie can start again with an appropriate answer. For crying out loud, there are probably only 10 equally idiotic questions that most people would ask anyway and here they could actually achieve the object of their most heartfelt desire--to corner Robert Fripp and ask him the questions that burn in their soul. And THEN, at the end, Fripp would say, "Why but of course! I'd be honored." And there is this movie of a flash camera going off in his face, him accepting a photo and autographing it and handing it back, then there's a link where a person could print out for their very own self AN AUTOGRAPHED PICTURE OF ROBERT FRIPP!!! I woke up laughing about that--now that would be making good use of modern technology. Imagine--your very own private interview with Fripp. Hell, he could probably get people to give him credit card numbers and charge for the privilege--get enough money to keep him in Kroger's cheesecake for a long time. Rick Snow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:39:20 -0400 From: Dave & Racquel Subject: opener / Todd Hey gang... I see alot of people suggesting opening bands for Crim when they hit the US. What I haven't heard, and am curious to know is: do they have an opening act in Europe? And then it follows: are they planning to have an opening act in the US? Also attended the Todd show outside Philly. I was the one proudly sporting my TCoL shirt, recognized by poster in ET # 709. Next time say "HI", dang it! (I noted a ItCotKC shirt wearer, too.) ...Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:54:45 -0500 From: Lewis W Beard Subject: Another TCOL opinion All, I'm not sure anyone will care, but here is my very short opinion of TCOL after about 10-12 listens (not a lot, I admit). I think the album has an amazing energy, and I enjoy it for that. I have to say that I DO like the album quite a bit, and its always easier to discuss critical nitpicking that it is to praise. So, let me say I like the album as a whole, and I enjoy listening to it. However, I am going to focus on the few things that disturb me. They MAY be totally unfounded; its just what I hear. I like the V-Drums. However, I am not sure I like the role played byGunn and Maste ... whatever the drummers name is. I am not a musician, so I can't really tell, but I just feel that mostly the stick/bass and v-drum playing is more of a support-role functionality. I find those performances flat, because superficially at least it seems that their instruments are there only because something like that is supposed to be there, and they flurry up at the times they are "supposed" to. I am more used to all the members having obvious contributions that are necessary to the composition. For the first time ever, I dont get that feeling. It may be there; I may just be unable to hear it. I guess that I'm saying I feel like this is a RF solo project more than most KC stuff I've heard. I hear that clean but brittle cyclical shimmering guitar pattern he likes to do, and I hear a WHOLE lot of just that, with some heavy guitars added for weight or because thats what you do. I feel like all the musical attitudes I am hearing are boiled down from some ones that have been used in the 81-2000 lineup before. It seems to favor the frippian parts from past lineups. I wanted more variety, or to feel the other players were contributing more than they seem to be. Dont get me wrong; I am sure all the band members contribute as much as they want, I'm just talking about the vibe I have. Also, while I normaly love Adrian's nasal vocals, I dont like the effects put on his voice this time around. Well, I actually like the one on ProzaKc or whatever; that one is appropriate. But the other tracks are all distorted or double tracked weird or whatnot, and I want them to be more "available." Also the lyrics this time around are not up to par. A track with random words; A track where we list random plights of mankind over doom-ridden music (fripp loves this end of world stuff and I guess he encourages Belew to do so as well :)); A track about how man didnt come about naturally and how andy warhol sucks; A song about ... you get the idea. None of these things really hit me. Still, like I said, I DO enjoy the album, and I listen to it more and more, but these annoyances always remain. I have played the album around other people and seen startled looks; that was worth it. :) I have a friend who has never heard ANY King Crimson ever, and so he doesnt sense the rehash that I sense (perhaps incorrectly). So, maybe I should try harder to view this album as a standalone RF .. I mean KC .. album. :) Anyway, I like it, but I was interested in sharing my opinions and seeing where others disagree or can set me straight. Lewis -- Lewis W Beard ............... lewis at lwb dot org ............... http://lwb.org/ "I say if you're gonna buy the angel bull****, you might as well go for the zombie package as well" - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:06:06 -0500 From: Don Lawrence Subject: Basement dweller strikes in Houston! My poor unfortunate vehicle was at the body shop undergoing repair. It was returned two days ago for an overnight stay to address required supplemental repair. My trusting wife left four of our favorite CDs in the vehicle. XTC Apple Venus vol1 XTC Apple Venus vol2 PeterGabriel's Greatest TCOL Guess which one of the four was Stolen! Positive proof of a basement dweller KC aficionado. Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 18:02:43 -0400 From: "Steve Watkins" Subject: Opening act for U.S. leg Knuckleheads-- Without a doubt, hands down, mind wandering, the warmup act for KC should definately be Lullaby Baxter Trio. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:45:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Kepler Subject: The Emperor's New Song by Bob's Expanding Headband, no photos please A longtime lowly digest lurker/skimmer dares a post, despite his obvious inferiority to the aesthetic and intellectual giants who dominate this list. If there is anyone less fun to be around offstage than Fripp, it must surely be his fans, as is well evidenced on this list. No wonder he is so ill-tempered when he encounters them. Nonetheless, I doubt that he intends you to threaten violence upon each-other on his behalf, but I could be wrong. If I end up attending a concert on this tour, and that elitist crybaby Fripp throws one of his signature hissy fits and walks off stage over one lousy camera flash, I'm not going to blame the photographer. All responsibility for this rediculous behavior rests squarely upon the shoulders of The Fripp Himself. Because I anticipate just this sort of scenario, I may not bother to attend at all, which I am sure is just fine with the more zealous Church Of Fripp devotees. King Crimson is called "King Crimson" because Fripp is in the band and he feels like calling it "King Crimson" at this time, for his own enigmatic reasons. He might as well call every band he puts together "The Robert Fripp ProjecKt", or "Bob's Expanding Headband". King Crimson IS going to be playing old material on tour; haven't you listened to the new album? If they play stuff from the new album, then they are by definition playing old songs in new clothes. This band is good, but they aren't fun, and they have no real sense of humor. In our short time on this planet, I pity those who take themselves seriously to such excess. But they are damned good, aren't they? King Crimson is a bitch, but she owns me because she's so damned good at what counts. Mookie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:55:34 -0700 From: Robert Cervero Subject: Wars/GG/UK Two punts, two punt returns: (1) Regarding the upcoming '69 Hyde Park release, Mr. "rs" wrote: "I see that the set list for the 12th club release is posted and I am surprised that the song "War" was left out. Must be a "royalty thang"." Wrong. "War" (as it's called on the Satanical Majesties boot) is titled "Mars" on CC#12 (as named at the time, a la Holst, and of course later released on Poseidon as "Devil's Triangle"). Unlike the boot, CC#12 is to include some banter from the five original members, recorded at the London listening party several years back. Should be fun. (2) I appreciated Haible Juergen's post on Gentle Giant (certainly one of my fav's from the early '70s). Other similarities of 70's KC & GG: multi-instrumentation, notably violins, woodwinds, and mellotrons; juxtapositions of hard-edge stansas and soft codas; thematic albums and lyrics; and by 1973, predominantly a fan base of Americans, Germans, and Italians (reflected partly in their touring schedules). And I truly concur with Anne's sentiments from ET#708:"To me, a female Gentle Giant fan is the rarest bird in the progressive rock fan kingdom". My ex would almost run me out of the house whenever I played Octopus. One huge difference of the two, of course, is that by the late 1970s, the rot had already begun to set in with Gentle Giant; their LA Roxy show of '80 was sad to watch. At the same time, Crimson was re-inventing itself; the 1981Crimson Roxy shows were among the band's most powerful ever... as RF commented, "we almost pealed the paint off the wall". (3) And while on the subject of other bands, yesterday while walking down Telegraph Avenue I saw a stack of LP's lying next to a garbage bin, not an uncommon sight along Berkeley's looniest strip. At the top of the heap was an album with Mssrs. Wetton and Bruford staring out -- someone had dumped one of my top-ten "if I were on a secluded island, what would I take" albums: UK. And it was in mint condition, much better than my own copy. A sad commentary on the musical times, though a nice score....I snatched it, of course. (4) After listening to five different live recordings of TCoL, my vote for the best gig as of now is the Sunday night matinee show in Nashville. As often with Crimson, live performances outshine the studio release -- thus, hat's off to BTV. Personally, I find TCoL to be Crimson's "trippiest" releases in many, many moons. I'll take a double-duo over a triple-duo any day. Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:26:58 -0400 From: Barry Stock Subject: Odd Time Sigs by the Old, Gray, and Sometimes Deceased George (old, gray, still breathing) Russell's "Jazz in the Space Age" features a recurring drums 'n bass motif in 5/2, recorded in May 1960. Also contains head to head Bill Evans / Paul Motian piano duets in opposing scales. Available on GRP / Chessmates. His "The Jazz Workshop" from 1956 also contains rhythmic and harmonic elements 10-15 years head of their time. George Russell is the creator and author of "The Lydian Theory of Chromatic Tonal Organization," a theory often mentioned as having held great sway over the minds of the giants of modal jazz. Thanks, Barry Stock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:44:22 -0400 (EDT) From: ferriswolf at webtv dot net Subject: Re: Mr. Bungle In reply to Belew, he has never been any part of the avant-garde Warner Bros. band, Mr. Bungle. Mr. Bungle is most famous for their lead singer (and vocal genius) Mike Patton, who also sang in Faith No More. But dropped out due to boredom. The band has been together since 1985, and was signed to WB in 1991. Their music is like NO OTHER BAND, totally original! They're also known to play a lot of obscure cover songs, anything from Burt Bacharach, Ennio Morricone, Billy Squier, to Armando Travolji, Denny Martin, and Dead Kennedy's to name a few. The latest release, California, is more mainstream than anything they've ever done, but packs a huge punch on a 10 track album. Some say Zappa, others don't. I say check em out! All three albums are great, my fave being the 95 release, Disco Volante, very challenging, and frustrating for one to listen to, but pure talent. Ive seen the band six times since 1992 and they blow my mind every time! I saw them last year on halloween and they dressed as the Chili Peppers, and trashed them all nite! Very funny! Mike Patton also fronts a band called Fantomas on the Ipecac label, which he co-owns. The band consists of former Slayer drummer, Dave Lombardo, Melvins guitarist, King Buzzo, and Mike and Trevor from Bungle. This stuff is not for everyone, avant-garde death metal. Live, they are unmatched! Best, Paul (helpful links) www.cv.org (Mr. Bungle and related) www.ipecac.com (Fantomas) www.fnm.com (Faith No More) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:46:59 -0000 From: "Tim & Robin Long" Subject: Easy money "how do you play it" I love the song "Easy money", especially the intro! but I have tried and tried and still I have no earthly clue how to play it ? Is it a couple chords possibly a power chord or to? Could somebody please tell me! on that matter "Elephant talk". I would like to know the rhythm part that is behind Adrian and then Robert! that to is hard! Anyway could someone tell me? David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:08:12 -0700 From: "Mike Birtchet" Subject: Re: Belew in Mr. Bungle >>Does anyone know if A. Belew was ever a member/participant in the group Mr. Bungle. For those not familiar with the band, you should check it out, it is not KC but it is definately for those who like to be challenged when listening to music. Very odd.<< All I know bout Mr. Bungle is that they are an off-shoot of the the late Faith No More. Their latest, "California" is nearly a "desert island album" for me! They may be a little too nihilistic for the likes of Adrian Belew, but then I may be wrong. (Who'd have thought that ELO's drummer Bev Bevan would join Black Sabbath?) (And what about Ian McDonald being a founding member of FOREIGNER?) Cheers, Saint Mikey ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: nmates at sas dot upenn dot edu (Neal Mates) Subject: Re: Bjop[3~ Someone had asked in the last newsletter if anyone in KC had an opinion about Bjork. You might have to check back in RF's diary a bit, but I think that he's mentioned Bjork on several occasions, including the fact that she asked if she could do a cover of "Mary". Fripp said that he'd be honored. Has anyone heard anything else about this? The most I know right now is that the soundtrack for the Lars Von Trier musical that she stars in is due out in September. I've been hearing a lot about this film, "Dancer in the Dark", and I can't wait to see it. Still waiting to hear when KC's hitting Philly. Neal ***************************************************** * "You're such a wonderful person, * * but you've got problems." - David Bowie * ***************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:28:33 -0500 From: "John Machtemes" Subject: no more magic I'm a long time reader and subscriber to elephant talk and I enjoy listening to the great works of King Crimson on a frequently regular basis. Given these facts multiplied with the fact that I have been thouroughly enraptured by KCs work throughout the years I can honestly say what I am about to say. King Crimson has no more magic. "the construktion of light"? what is it? A half hearted attempt to simply give us (those of us who have patiently waited 6 years) something new to spend our hard earned and heartfully given money on? After hearing this disaster I now have the "prozac blues". It's one thing to reinvent, but to blatantly recycle. I'm not saying these things simply because i feel cheated, but I say this because we have been sold a work of some disconnected impostor posing as our beloved KC. The Japanese may be soaking up this psuedoKC these days, but dont be fooled. This is nothing more than "ProjeKCt X" as in "Brand X". I quit appreciating Fender Guitars when they sold out to CBS in the 70s. It wasnt the real thing anymore. If you wanted a real Fender you had to buy Music Man or G&L. In the same light, if (fripp, bruford, wetton, and cross) we're together under the name "Blamo" it would still be KC to me (the real deal). Now all we are left with is a cheap CBS copy of our beloved KC. They have the same name just like Fender (fripp), but not the tone, feel, playability, craftsmanship, heart, or magic. Its time for us to realize to our heartbreaking dismay that a beautiful thing that we all loved is now dead. I will be unsubscribing soon and shaking the dust from my sandals and hoping that I may again one day see a thing as beautiful and magical as what King Crimson once was. sincerely and regretfully, Starless_Wreck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:44:46 +0300 From: Haapa Ilkka Subject: Lost Giles not found! Sorry, I'm not sure if this is any news but while browsing through Corbis' digital photo archives I bumped into something very interesting: A lost Giles brother has been found! Check out: http://search.corbis.com/default.asp?s=crimson&l=crimson&b=3&v=2&a=3&p=80&r= 9&m=1, hmmmm...?? .....this link doesn't work after all. And I tested it carefully, honest! Anyway, that picture showed David Cross playing violin and below the picture stood: "Brian Giles, the violinist for rock group King Crimson", funny isn't it. But now it seems that Corbis has moved the picture or something because I can't find it even myself anymore! It's gone. Blahh, this digital world... Ilkka Haapa Helsinki, Finland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:02:18 +0100 From: "Simon Brader" Subject: Re: The construKction of TCOL and other things From Simon Innes in ET 710: >I would like to suggest a new policy for ET regarding new albums: could we >have a moratorium of at least a couple of weeks before people can post >their opinions? That way we can filter out the knee-jerk reactions. Howcan >anyone really assess a new Krimso album after only one or two listens? A simple smiley at the end of that that would have saved me the trouble of replying. However, as the absence of one troubles me, I will. Of course what he is really saying is "that way we can filter out opinion that is contrary to mine" and "you are a knee-jerking, idiot know-nothing if you can write off TCoL after just a couple of listens" As it happens, I liked TCoL a LOT on first listen and LOVED it from listen 3 or 4. I have done since. However, as I did all this within about 2 days of purchase, perhaps I don't know what I'm talking about? Incidentally, the Gentle Giant mailing list, On-Reflection, has recently been the venue for the most amazing Pro and Con TCoL debate. It puts most of the debate here well into the shade. I've never known an album to polarise opinion to this degree. Bobby must be laughing his socks off. Go well, Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 09:07:29 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: Sounds / Bears Good morning! Simon Innes wrote: "What, in the end, do we mean by music? I think it was Eno who wrote in his Swollen appendices book about how any pattern of sounds, if repeated, can become music to the willing listener. If we start applying this particular tag to the things we listen to we might as well stop listening altogether." Wait a minute. I recently caught myself listening to radio waves (ahm... statics). About 20 minutes. Scrolling up and down the AM on my old analogue 1972 AIWA receiver. Headphones on, very loud. I couldn't stop. Does anyone know where to get the Bears CDs (or can anybody sell them to me) ? Cheers Markus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:08:30 +0000 From: maurizio comandini Subject: Hyde Park II I was in England late August/Early September 1971. (I was 18) I went to the Weeley Rock Festival (a 3 days festival, near Clacton, held around August 25 or something like that) where the KC played a late-in-the-night set (I'm so sorry to say that I was sleeping and so I DID NOT saw the concert..., I feel very stupid about this...). Then they played again in Hyde Park (their second free concert in Hyde Park...) just before the headliner Jack Bruce and Friends. This time I was not sleeping at all. I was in the front rows and I took a dozen of pics... Any chance these two concerts had been recorded and are now available in the collector's circuit? I even heard rumors about the Hyde Park concert being video recorded by BBC and maybe broadcasted? I'M VERY INTERESTED IN GET INFOS ABOUT THESE TWO CONCERTS Please let me know on- or off-list... MAURIZIO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:32:13 +0000 From: "J. Robinson" Subject: Critical writing Does anyone know where I can find serious critical writing on Bob Fripp and King Crimson (apart from in ET, of course)? And on other prog rock acts? In book form, or articles, or on the internet. I've read Tamm, and most of the usual books and critics. Just wondered if there was anything decent and well-written I hadn't seen. Jeremy Robinson P.S. Still listening to 'ConstruKction of Light', and absolutely loving it. Staggering stuff. And 'Heaven & Earth's is easily as beautiful and haunting as anything KC have produced in their 31 year history, inc. all the highpoints ('Epitaph, 'Starless', 'Lark's Tongues', 'Requiem', 'Sailor's Tale', 'Red', 'Great Deceiver', 'DInosaur', 'Thela Hun Ginjeet', etc). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:06:42 +0100 From: "The Claypools" Subject: Re: GIG REVIEW: London Gig! >> "The fact that I couldn't see the band at all for the majority of the gig and that I was constantly jostled by people trying >> to get to the bar didn't help" Who should take accountability for your your poor seat selection? Certainly not the band's fault. It was open seating, I got there 90 minutes early and had a great seat. I chose a Level 1 ticket and sat on the first row, right at the lip of the balcony. Phenomenal seats and the product of a little bit of forethought and planning on my part. >> "I yearned for a rendition of something unexpected (is a track from Islands or Lizard too much to ask - surely this band could >> put an arrangement together of something pre 1981?)." Who should take accountability for your disappointment? For months we've known that the old repertoire would not be played. Fact is, it was stated that nothing prior to the 90s would be played - Ade snuck in TOAPP. Shouldn't have been a surprise. >> "I regret to say that unless KC take a different direction soon next time they play in the UK I will be staying at home." The decision is yours and should be made without regret. Sensible statement based on your previous comments. My son and I thought the SBE show in London was fantastic and thoroughly enjoy TCoL along with the rest of the KC catalog. Our view at SBE was incredible, the sound was good, and the performance was breathtaking, particularly the improvs. Being stalwart Bruf/Levin fans, we both thought Pat/Trey were outstanding. In many ways Pat stole the show. Can't wait for the North American leg of the tour. If there is an opening band, we hope it is Mike Keneally and BFD. We're headed to Nonkerstock 2000 in two weeks and hope to see some of your there. Loren ------- http://www.theclaypools.com ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #711 ********************************