Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #704 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 704 Saturday, 1 July 2000 Today's Topics: GIG BIZ: Ticket Exchange for Shepherd's Bush on July 3rd Re: Not As Bad As I Expected.... Best Yet? / Novelty Za-ppa / Duran Duran My Dream King Crimson line-up is... Question about the track 'Heaven and Earth' Epitaph vol 1 & 2 release dates a French woman told me Re: Moles redux Re: Italian Earthbound Re: Club info now online Re: Les Paul: Pioneer of Looping? YES! Easy odd time example Les Paul and Looping time signatures, string quartets, CC #11 One,One,Seven,Valley Drive - The Third Larks Tongue/Star Spangled Banner LARKS`TONGUES IN ASPIC Moles Club is nice ! Live Krimson Euro ticket prices GIG REVIEW: KC in Paris ... Heroes for one night GIG REVIEW: Barcelona Gig Report GIG REVIEW: Paris GIG ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:22:34 +0100 From: "Tony Gassett" Subject: GIG BIZ: Ticket Exchange for Shepherd's Bush on July 3rd Hello, I have a ticket for a 'KC Firstimer' for July 3rd but it is for the downstairs section. My original ticket is for upstairs which is my preferred but not essential location. Does anyone who's going to the Bush fancy doing some sort of exchange, so I can sit/stand with my friend? The kind soul will receive a big thank you and a small consideration for any inconvenience. Cheers, Tony ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:02:28 -0500 (CDT) From: david craig Subject: Re: Not As Bad As I Expected.... > I do see alot of .edu's out there. Careful, there. Some of those come from staff and faculty. David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:32:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Weinberg Subject: Best Yet? / Novelty I've been listening to _The Construkction of Light_ almost everyday since it was released and I love it. I am tempted to call it the best KC album yet, though I am torn--perhaps that title still goes to _Discipline_. While some of my favorite individual KC songs may be scattered across many different albums, TCOL is a consistently strong record (and has given me a number of new favorites). The electronic drums don't bother me at all, and I think Mastelotto's playing is fantastic. I especially love the percussive fireworks of "Coda: I have a dream"--a song of beautiful, mournful chaos. Adrian really shines, too. I think his long solo towards the end of Larks IV--the rock march of doom--is his finest solo in a KC piece. And his vocals, especially on the title track (excellent driving music, btw), are superb. I could go on and on about all the different aspects of this album I like, but, I won't. I think the strongest case one could make against TCOL being the best KC album yet has to do with novelty. While TCOL is mind-blowing in a number of ways (the second half of Fracktured, for just one example), it isn't mind-blowingly _novel_ (in the way, say, _Discipline_ was). But I think a few things could be said in response to that, in defense of TCOL. First, while not mind-blowingly novel, the album is far from being a mere retread of old ideas. Second, as music has developed over the past 30 years there has been much more music made, and this music has been quite varied. Thus, it is harder for something to sound novel to us. Third, we should be careful not to overrate novelty. Novelty is a formal feature of music, tied to the date of its production. For those to whom the "when" of the music is much less important than the "what," novelty will be lower on the list of desirable qualities of music than substantive concerns about what the music itself is like. (Note: this is not to say that novelty is of no importance, or that there is no connection between when music is created and what it sounds like.) Justin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:40:47 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: Za-ppa / Duran Duran Wowie Zowie! For I know there are many ETers out there who have devoted their life and times to The Great Frank, I ask those who feel they know Frank and his music best to email me. I've got one or two very important questions which need to be answered after reading the book "In his own words". Thanks. BTW, is there Someone Else Not Me who noticed that some of the tracks and titles and the general arrangements on the new Duran Duran album Pop Trash sound very Krimsonlike and TColLike? Markus Flakes! Flakes! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:52:17 +0100 From: Nick Loebner Subject: My Dream King Crimson line-up is... Dave Stewart - keyboards Bill Drake - keyboards Tim Smith - guitar/vocals Richard Sinclair - bass Bill Bruford - drums ...just testing, Toby! - Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:38:18 +0200 From: "Schlogel, Jeremy" Subject: Question about the track 'Heaven and Earth' The main rhythm theme of the track 'Heaven and Earth' sounds really like the one of the track 'Signify' of Porcupine Tree ( from the album of same title)..... Has Projeckt X received any influences from it ? ( -> This may be possible : Robert Fripp and Steven Wilson have already worked together on No-Man albums, and if it's the case it could seem a great tribute to the Porcupine Tree band ! ) . > Kind regards for all people in ET ( hello Steve & Dan ! ) > Jeremy SCHLOGEL oriGin Origin's Baan Service Line FRANCE Technical consultant Tel : +33-(0)1-47-28-19-85 Fax : +33-(0)1-47-28-17-09 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:04:31 +0200 From: brian dot champion at philips dot com Subject: Epitaph vol 1 & 2 release dates Has anyone else spotted the deliberate error at amazon.co.uk re. the release date for the above album. I know we fans have the patience of Jobe but that's stretching things a little. Regards Brian Champion ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:02:26 +0200 From: "christian skina" Subject: a French woman told me There I was, all the way from The Hague to Paris-Olympia, since the band has sKCipped The Netherlands from this tour. Mr Fripp comes on stage and warms us up with his soundscapes. I'm a soundscape fan so needles to say, I was already happy. The French public (on the whole) were busy doing something else, talking between themselves for instance. Most of the folks kept chatting during the soundscapes or went to the bar to fetch some refreshments. A woman behind me, with a voice that could easily feature her in a Zappa composition, was explaining her partner something vital. I turned around and asked her to stop that, since the concert has started (I do speak French). She denied, saying that the concert has not commenced, since the lights were still on. I insisted in believing I could make her shut up and said that what we hear I call music. She said that what we hear was no music. Voila! So, my simple question is now, are soundscapes music or not? (not that I would care to know, since I enjoy them even if you call them cows. I hope Mr Fripp could not hear the noise in the audience though they applauded him off the stage. By the way: the ProjeKct X cd on sale is something might interest the fractal fans. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: Moles redux A reader from New York writes: >Historical value? This is a rock'n'roll band, folks, not the magna >freaking carta. Shall we get over ourselves just a tad? Surely no one who looks on KC as just another rock band has shelled out the $96 (or equivalent) to join the Club? The Club is, by its very nature, aimed at the obsessive fans (if not fanboys), and by our standards, yes, this is a historical concert. If that's not your bag, baby, go back to listening to the official retail releases and leave us to our archaology, OK? --Art ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:00:27 -0400 From: John Neumann Subject: Re: Italian Earthbound Sean Redefer writes: > Is this a rare copy? Is > it a legitimate recording? Has anyone heard of this copy? Any information > would be appreciated. > Thanks, > Sean Redefer I have this exact same thing too. Bought it for $3.99 at Woolworths (!) in Erie, PA in 1988 or 1989. I had an Italian-American friend do her best to translate the back cover for me. Given how horrible it sounds, and the comments from others about the sound quality of their US or British copies, I assume it's the same recording. :) For those young people, or people outside the states, Woolworths was a cheap department store (now out of business), and the last place I expected to run into rare Crimson material. Cheers! John Neumann -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:44:47 -0400 From: John Ott Subject: Re: Club info now online Dan the web dude writes: >John, > >The requests made by Club members on this issue did not fall through the >cracks. A while back we implemented changes at DGM Web to provide info When Was this? "a while back" I was not aware of it until others posted in the last et (along side my post) that this was now available. >about the source and quality of the audio. Not only does DGM provide a >rating, but anyone can chime in with their own after the release has been >sent out. We try to provide these as early as possible so people can opt >out based on the info. > >Was there something else you had in mind? > >Dan >DGM Web Actually it is better that what I had in mind. Having the Dgm team's rating is enough to let folks decide to opt out. When It was not there early on in the Club, I just accepted that some releases would be of bootleg audience quality. So just keep 'em coming. Which is what I said in my post. So I am quite happy with the Collectors Club and I'm also glad that DGM is now getting the info out. Sorry to not have noticed the change. Keep up the good work. later John DC-ET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:56:47 -1000 From: mark at greenlake dot com (Mark Lewin) Subject: Re: Les Paul: Pioneer of Looping? YES! > From: Ted White > Subject: Les Paul: Pioneer of Looping? > > In ET 702, Timothy W Cox asked: > > > In regards to the recent commentary on tape looping etc.. Am I wrong in > > acknowledging Les Paul as the pioneer of tape looping and background > > recording? > > Short answer: Yes, you are wrong. I gotta disagree. Les Paul is indeed the pioneer of tape looping and background recording (multi-tracking). His home-made "Les Paulverizer" system dates back to 1956, though the name was used as a gag as early as his 1949-50 radio show. The tape-based Paulverizer system enabled Les to build complex multi-track soundscapes in real time - that is, live. There's an article on the Les Paulverizer in the Aug. 1994 issue of Vintage Guitar Magazine which I haven't read. The following is excerpted from the introduction to the four-CD "Les Paul: The Legend & The Legacy" box set - which is an amazing body of work - written by Steven K. Peeples in 1991. PAULVERIZING THE AIRWAVES "On our show, I'd always be talking about my new inventions," Les says, "and Mary would get exasperated and say, 'Oh, Les - you and your electronic gadgets!' "I had an idea then to find a way of doing what I did on records on stage, radio, and eventually, TV. It'd entertain people, but also somehow give them an explanation of why they heard more than one guitar or voice without getting too technical, without getting into recording, re-recording, multi-tracking, effects, and all that." "So I came up with the idea for this device, and our dear friends Zeke and Bea Manners came up with its name one night they were visiting us in the basement. "On the radio shows I'd just say, 'With my Les Paulverizer I can multiply Mary's voice into a glee club, and multiply my guitar into an orchestra.' Then I'd demonstrate by making the voice a chorus and the guitar a whole section of guitars. "We didn't tell them we did it 'by means of electical recording and other inventions' - we just made a hoax out of it. So the Paulverizer just became part of our schtick, like Jack Benny's running gag about being cheap. It was a legendary bit long before the idea became a reality. "Later I presented it to the public as an actual box-like device which fits on my guitar, and does everything the mythical one on the show did. THE PAULVERIZER AND THE PREZ Basically, in 1956, Les decided it was time to transform the Paulverizer gag hatched several years earlier on the old radio show into reality. As Les explains, "It's a tape machine, hidden, which I control from a box on my guitar, and can do all kinds of things with - record, overdub, add echo or other effects, set microphone levels and everything else. I can create an entire recording right there in front of their eyes." Mark P.S. Looper's Delight: http://www.annihilist.com/loop/loop.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:47:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Makowsky Subject: Easy odd time example Hello all -- The Pink Floyd (sp?) song MONEY is the most common odd time song I can think of off hand, at because its slow, it is easy to hear. The verse is in 7/4 and is easy to tap along with while it's playing. The chorus goes back to 4/4. Kimsky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:29:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Makowsky Subject: Les Paul and Looping Hello again -- In the early 80's Les Paul appeared on a tv show called The Midnight Special (or perhaps one of its competitors, I'm not sure) with Jeff Beck and Billy Squire. During one segment, he came out and did a one man band thing using a device attached to his guitar which he refered to as "the Les Paulverisor". Using this device he recorded a "drum loop" (banging on the strings for his percussion) over dubbed a rhythm guitar part and then soloed over the top. He set his loops up live and they sounded pretty good. Kimsky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:42:01 EDT From: Mikewyz at aol dot com Subject: time signatures, string quartets, CC #11 1) Determining time signatures for non-musicians: most all western music has some rhythmic periodicity to it. That means that it has some rhythmic unit that repeats, what might be called a "groove" or "feel". Most rock/pop has a binary feel, usually groups of 4 beats (bass drum on beats 1 and 3, snare on 2 and 4), so it is said that the music is "in 4." This can be felt by most people (yes, even white people) as they tap their feet / shake their booty along with it, often unconsciously. Some music is in 3 (waltzes, many polkas, songs like "My Favorite Things"), but not as much as there is in 4. Now, music in 7 or 5 is even less common, as it feels very unusual to those used to music in 4. The classic rock example of a song in 7 is Pink Floyd's "Money." Songs in 5 are less common, an easy KC example of one is in "Indiscipline," the louder rocking sections are in 5 (listen to the bass groove). [digression - i love finding new songs in 5, was thrilled to hear a very pretty tune in 5 in Jesus Christ Superstar, "Everything's Alright" - highlight of the show for me] 2) Senor William Jenks said in ET 702 "...the six Bartok string quartets ... are considered by many if not most classical music types to be *the* quintessential set of string quartets from the 20th century. (Others in that class would probably include the Shostakovich cycle and the Debussy and Ravel.)" I agree that Bartok's are at the top of the heap for the 20th century, tho I (and many others) feel Elliott Carter's 5 String Quartets are up there with them (tho they are from a different world than Bartok's). Then below those 2 sets I'd put Shos, Deb, and Ravel, not to mention Schoenberg's. 3) anyone who doesn't want their CC #11 can offer to sell it to me, email me privately if interested. MW members.aol.com/mikewyz/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:36:58 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: One,One,Seven,Valley Drive - The Third Good morning! Finally I managed to translate the lyrics from this great Bears track (see Coming Attractions) into written form. Feel free to correct anything. 117 VALLEY DRIVE The Bears 1 1 7 Valley Drive A scene like heaven When the band arrived Oh yeah With a couple of drums And a couple guitars We play our hearts out In my backyard Oh yeah Ref: And the people came from everywhere To put their plastic chairs In the summer Down on Valley Drive People came with kids and dogs And sat out on the road And they sang along With A Hard Day's Night And a Ticket To Ride We were barely In our teens And laughing like crazy Yeah learn our dreams Oh yeah Hey the boys just cut up And the girls just talk But when we start up Well the world would stop Oh yeah Ref Though it was a different age Nothing's gone and nothing's changed In my mind What it was Was a way of life But no one noticed We've run out of time (most incredible great guitar solo!!!!) With A Hard Day's Night And a Ticket To Ride Though it was a different age Nothing's gone and nothing's changed In my mind Onetwothree! Great, great, great, hey guys - I wonder why this one hasn't been discussed on this forum. As far as I know my copy of Coming Attractions wears the year 2000 on its sleeve. I have to admit that part of the refrain I didn't understand until I read in the liner notes that "the people sang along" when AB's first band played "exact Beatles songs". And native speakers please tell me if some of the lyrics are wrong. Markus Do you know what you are? You are what you is. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2094 10:52:46 -0000 From: "Mike Hutchinson" Subject: Larks Tongue/Star Spangled Banner >From: Tommy Kochel Has anyone else ever noticed that the last four notes/chords of >LTIA2 are the descending version of the first four ascending notes of the >"Star Spangled Banner" The notes in question make up a major chord played over an octave (e.g. a G chord would comprise G-B-D-G), so something you're likely to hear in 27 million (or so) other tunes ('The Blue Danube' by Strauss being one close contender). love mike "I might be wrong." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:51:11 PDT From: "jorma kumpulainen" Subject: LARKS`TONGUES IN ASPIC Hello! When is LARKS`TONGUES IN ASPIC coming in EMI 24-BIT release? Jorma Finland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:58:01 +0200 From: Haible Juergen Subject: Moles Club is nice ! Last night I found a package from DGM in the mail, and after "reading ... ET" my first reaction was "oh, so I forgot to decline that one in time" - which obviously was the only reason why I got it (the Discipline aera not exactly being my favorite one). Went to the basement after work, put on headphones and heard Moles Club while I was soldering some music electronics stuff, i.e. I didn't give it undivided attention at first. Big surprise, I found it really pleasant. Who said bad recording quality ? For a b**tleg this might go as "vg" or "vg+" - sound not very good, but music highly enjoyable, all in all interesting and very listenable. In particular, no annoying dropouts or loss of one stereo channel, no shouting or whistling that would be louder than the music - so what do you expect ? I guess the people who complained haven't heard many roios before (which speaks for them, of course.) As for myself, I haven't heard KC b**ts to compare (I got into Crimson long after b**ts became illegal in Germany), but I have some dozens of Pink Floyd roios with much worse sound quality, and I enjoy them nevertheless. I don't want to disgress, but it happened that I came to love their Animals album only after I heard a rather bad recording of a life performance - which brings me back to KC, and the Moles Club: I never cared too much about the studio albums of that period, they sound so "polished" to my ears, and now on this CC recording, the players suddenly sound "human" - which I really enjoy. The most prominent feeling was that - with my headphones on - I was almost there, in a crowded club, with poor acoustics, direct sound in the upper frequency range blocked by the people in front of me - an immediate experience (as immediate as it can probably be for somebody who cannot attend real live concerts with high sound pressure anymore because of health reasons). Bottom line: Thanks for this legalized record of illicit origin - I enjoyed it very much. Maybe it even makes the studio versions grow on me now. JH. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:42:18 -0400 From: "Scott Greenbaum" Subject: Live Krimson Just wanted to be sure everyone here knows of Krimson's intention of releasing every show on the European Tour as a video and cd. I, for one, think this rules and that other bands should follow this example. This should also alleviate any further comments on bootlegging, etc. and should be a happy occurrence for all! Good Health! Scott in Miami, FL p.s. hello to my Nashville roommates from May! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:40:14 -0400 From: "T.J. Mathews" Subject: Euro ticket prices >Patrick JOUBERT wrote in reference to the Paris gig: >Why did I pay 54$ for this? One of Robert's concerns about touring Europe was the distinct possibility that ticket prices would be too high. He suggested not touring Europe at all for this reason alone. He seems to have made a strong effort to keep prices down. He should be lauded for this. I don't think the high price is intended to lace his pocket trim with golden thread. To the best of my knowledge he has not expressed the same concern with US touring. Was that the regular price or did you use an agent that resulted in a higher price? I'm curious. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the actual $ numbers for this tour (statistician that I am). How about a DGM numbers link? tj dc-et #2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:54:24 +0200 From: Hicham Subject: GIG REVIEW: KC in Paris ... Heroes for one night Hi all! My first post on ET, inglisch not my mozertong ... scuse me ;-) I am not very good at song names ... so I couldn't really provide you with a set list. From what I already read from other gig reviews, it seems that it was very similar to the shows in Italy for instance. With one exception however. The last encore had King Crimson playing Heroes (from David Bowie) in front of a dancing crowd .... Can you imagine it? Anyway, my impressions in a few words: Music is much better Live than on CD. It seems that they really enjoy playing live, Adrian Belew and Pat Mastelloto kept smiling during the whole show. Music and improv were really outstanding. Not to forget first encore with Adrian alone on stage with his bright red guitar singing (oh shit can't remember the title ... anyway from 3 of a perfect pair), simply perfect as you can guess. Look forward to seeing them again ... next week in London Cheers Hicham ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:33:14 EDT From: LTheDwarf at aol dot com Subject: GIG REVIEW: Barcelona Gig Report Hi ETfriends, here's my report of the Barcelona gig (Zeleste -June 27th -10PM-) As I am french, especially gone to Spain for the gig, I know you'll xKCuz me for the language mistakes. 1. The music played (The titles I can remember, not sorted in the order of the show:) Into the frying pan ProzaKc Blues TCOL thrakk Dinosaur One time Cage + 2 improvs (?) --------recall Three of a PP (ABelew , alone on stage, with a red accoustic guitar) Improv (Gun, Mastelotto, Fripp) -------recall Larks TIA IV including Coda Total length: approx 1H50' 2. The music, subjective comments Fantastic performance of the 4 Crims.Some years ago, I'm gone to the Bordeaux Concert (1995?,excellent show, the first show where 21st CSM has been played since 70's) and this one was really different. RF seated on the right part of the front stage played numerous stunt solos during the improvs demonstrating his outstanding guitar techniKC. At the last part of the concert he did'nt came to receive applause with the other members. As I saw some photo lightnings I was scared (due to previous reports) that the show prematurely ends, but it did not. PM, with his VDrums played perfectly ( when the sound is delayed and/or echoed from the impact, I imagine that it's a really hard task to keep on rhythm) I never noticed a mistake, he made a fantastic job. TG, played very good parts (But I didn't hear everything, see 3.). The last improv (a trio), was IMHO the climax of the show. I hope that it has been recorded (for you Et'ers and all the KC lovers) and that it will be one day released. TG played in it a very beautiful tune, and this piece was one of the greatest melodic KC alchemy I've heard since "Trio" (but far more complex), fantastic RF parts... A treasure. AB, played and sang with an apparent pleasure, he did not save himself. The rhythm guitar errors he made (3 or 4 times) are, in my opinion, completely excusable by the job he've done during all the show. When he sang 3OAPP with his accoustic guitar the fusion with the audience was total. I think this KC can create at any moment a magic music on stage. The quality of the improvs I've heard were in the vein of the 73/74 band, that's for me a major difference with the previous shows I've seen or heard during the 80/90 era. I think it's mainly due to KC quartet form: they can hear each other and instantly adapt them, that is exponentialy difficult when you increase the crew. The last improv was a trio, it was divine. 3. Around the music Despite the fact I've seen no poster promoting the show in Barcelona even near of the concert room, the little "Zeleste discoteca" was full. I've noticed a lot of people in the audience did'nt know KC very well as they applauded or yelled (in the low volume parts) before the end of the titles. A lot of people didn't obey to the, many times repeated or posted, sentences:musicians ask you not to smoke, do not take photos. The sound was awful, it's a pure shame to offer such an horrible sound to such a wonderful music & talented musicians. I frequently had to put my hands over my ears because it hurt me. Volume was not compatible with the low quality of the room loudspeakers. Too much distorted sound (AB: vocal and guitar at the beginning of the show, TG: saturated low frequencies during most of the performance).I had regrets after the show not to be came with ear's protections as for the formula 1's races (it's not humour) I think it's an important problem that sound engineers have to resolve. On the other hand, I don't know how the concerts are prepared by the local tour managers and who are the responsible ones. Anyway, in case of such bad acoustics (hardware), people at the mixboard have to lower the volume, the MUSIC will lose less than in keeping the volume above the max audible. Lightshow was "minimalist" (but personally I don't care). 4. Sundry complements I'm a long time KC lover (as I am 39 and loving them since 16, no one who knows me could contest that point) but I'll finish with the expression of my lack of understanding about DGM merchandising's choices: 41. The price of the few items to sell at the entrance is very expensive TShirts: 4000 ptas eq. 160F or $25 : it was the same price as the ticket (!!), other items was too expensive except the program (approx. $10, I've bought it). As some people sold unofficial KC items outside (lower quality I suppose, but at 25% of these prices) it is hard to demand to people not to buy them. 42. The price of the ProjekctX new album (approx.$25) You can find it in the same city at a lower price. I don't understand this politics because it's a direct selling from producer to consumer. These 2 remarks are minor (and obviously for me, completely disconnected from the rest), but are the expression of my disappointment because when you've drive 2x200kms after a working day to see your favorite group, it's null to come back with no stuff and buy them after on Ebay). My personal conclusion: Go to see and hear KC, I don't know another "rock" band who can offer you such a Music enjoyment: Moving, intelligent, non vulgar and beautiful. Friendly regards to every ETPeople. Fabrice Vaillant [Perpignan, France] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:53:04 +0200 From: Olivier Malhomme Subject: GIG REVIEW: Paris GIG I wasn't going to write but recent post got me compelled to do it. About this concert: I felt it magnificent, with a very enthousiast audience and a really responsive KC. The sound was quite awful to me in the first piece "Frying pan" (never start a show with your favorite one). Afterward it got better. I was not too found of the sound of teh V-drum (don't get me wrong, I use exclusively V-guitars myself) but somehow not too much dynamics and a very ultra low kik, litlle low medium but more high mids, no high frequency content) (but this was the general colour of the sound). Now keep in mind that a little survey among my friends (we were seven) showed that I was the only one not too found of V-drums, that puts things in perspective. Highly energetic concert, lotsa fun, a really new -to me- face of KC: humor. Where else could we have the audience clapping a 7/8 pattern while singing "three of a perfect pair" with Adrian Belew? And like it was, well, natural... Talking about 4th dimension... By the way, the rendition solo, and with an elecroacoustic guitar of this very song caught us by surprise, and was a very very very nice one. But not as much the forth come back of the band (4!) which was a very unexpected "Heroes". A very delightfull evening, I'd say. and my $42 bucks were perfectly "a propos" spent, to my opinion... Olivier Malhomme ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #704 ********************************