Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #698 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 698 Thursday, 22 June 2000 Today's Topics: King Crimson Survey Where's G. Emory Anderson? HOWTO: capturing streaming audio to DAT or CD Re: Uriah Heep deja VROOM on Mac G4/ Wetton -era remasters burning BootlegTV stream to CD-R DGM Collectors Club: What now? Re: Jimi Hendrix KC on the air Re: King Crimson's last tour for a spell? Howard Stern IS the Crimson King Heep o' Wetton The Elitist Tango, or, More "Special Issues"??? Fripperlyrics Wetton in Heep,Fripp and Hendrix, gatefold editions it matters. LTIA IV knell Approaching Synthetica Re: King Crimson's last tour for a spell? GIG REVIEW: Conegliano ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:05:04 +0600 From: andrew Subject: King Crimson Survey Dear ET-ers. I invite you to take part in my online anonymous King Crimson Survey. At present time there are just four questions: 1 How old are you? 2 What are your favorite albums? 3 Do you like The ConstruKction of Light album? 4 Do you like V-drums? The address is: http://shyney.tripod.com/files/vote.htm More questions may be added to the survey. Please contact me privately at shynee at sol dot ru with your suggestions. Best regards, Andrew Loban, Novosibirsk, Russia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:24:31 -0400 From: "NJ Guitar Circle Registrar" Subject: Where's G. Emory Anderson? I've tried to send e-mail to Emory, but it keeps bouncing. I have info for him that he might find important. Emory, if you're out there, please contact me. NJGC Registrar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:00:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Warren Melnick Subject: HOWTO: capturing streaming audio to DAT or CD I am going to make this a quick general HOWTO on the subject. It will be not only relevent to bootlegtv, but to any streaming audio. The problem is that streaming audio can be listened to but not recorded to your hard drive. There are 2 main choices: (1) Record it to an external medium (DAT, tape, etc) (2) Somehow intercept the audio stream and save it to your hard drive. Recording to an external medium is rather simple - connect the output of your sound card to the input of the recorder and press "record" on the recorder at the same time (or just before) you start the stream. With a digital sound card, which go for as little as $39 these days, you can get a perfect bit-for-bit copy of what you are listening to on your speakers. That is generally what I do first, as it makes a very nice recording that you can easily play back later. Intercepting the audio stream is almost as easy. I am going to be Windows-centric here, since the streams that most are interested in capturing are WMA, and I do not know the Linux or Mac options. You buy (yes, I said BUY! Spring the $11.95 damnit!) a copy of a program that intercepts the audio stream going to your computer. My personal favorite is Total Recorder, because it lets you go back and make individual tracks afterward. When all is said and done you have a WAV file or a set of WAV files with the audio on them. If they are 44.1k, 16-bit, stereo then you can burn them directly. If not then you have to do some bitrate conversions. Try to use a good program for this as it is easy to to generate digital artifacts. Anyway... That's really all there is to it. For the Nashville concert I did DAT and Total Recorder at the same time. I spent about an hour afterward splitting the tracks, as I like to have the beginning of the track be within .1 seconds of the beginning of the song so it took be a while. Afterwards I was able to listen to the concert all weekend in the car. So now we have 2 snapshots in the life of this band and these songs. It will be nice to have more when BootlegTV starts its subscription service. Again: PLEASE do not email me to make CDs for you. I am not a piracy service. I am a music lover. Kudos to Mr. Fripp and the BTV group for truly taking the first step toward the end of piracy. Let me know where and when to sign up for BTV! Warren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:02:17 -0400 From: "Burant, Alan" Subject: Re: Uriah Heep While I agree that John Wetton was a hired gun in Uriah Heep, especially Return to Fantasy, he made some fantastic contributions to the High and Mighty album. It has already been mentioned that he sang "One Way or Another"; he also co-wrote the songs "Weep in Silence" and "Footprints in the Snow". The parts he wrote in those songs will be very obvious to all Wetton fans. These are certainly my favourite songs on this quite good album. Wetton also played mellotron on this album and I would assume it was the one that Robert Fripp was auctioning a year or so ago - the one "carpetted" in blue by David Byron. Killer bass on "One Way or Another" While I don't listen to Heep as much as I did in Junior High or High School, I have to admit they were an important link (along with April Wine) in my personal discovery of the music of King Crimson. So I don't think they suck, and in fact I have a soft spot in my heart for them due to this. Actually some of their stuff (ie The Park and Salisbury), I still find very interesting. I am sure there is even some Heep influence deep down inside the recent CD I recorded (shameless self-plug I know...I am such a bas-turd). Take care Alan Burant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:23:51 -0500 From: "Benjamin Adler" Subject: deja VROOM on Mac G4/ Wetton -era remasters 1. Send me a private email telling me how i should set my computer 2. Is there a release date for the Wetton-era KC discs in the current remaster series??? Will these be in mini-gatefold form??? 10- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:20:04 -0500 From: Bob Ramstad Subject: burning BootlegTV stream to CD-R howdy. this is a quick theoretical commentary and not a step by step set of instructions. please do not email me asking for more explicit directions as these should be sufficient. also please note that i am not interested in or set up to provide CD-R copies to anyone of this material. as the data moves through the computer, it can be captured. this is true of any copy protection scheme that is not included from the start in the architecture. Microsoft is kind of caught in the middle with the WMA format -- they'd like it to afford complete protection to artists, but they want it to be broadly used and so as such there are decoders for WMA in non-Microsoft products. these products often are available for additional platforms and offer greater flexibility than the standard Windows Media Player. the last time i checked, the standard Winamp package (www.winamp.com free download) included a plugin on the input side for WMA files. there are a variety of plugins for the output side that could be downloaded which would allow for the stream to be saved in WAV (uncompressed PCM) format. the input side should be set up without any configuration. the output side can be configured through the Preferences menu. it's as easy as providing a filename to save to. essentially Winamp decodes *any* input to uncompressed PCM digital audio -- this is the type of audio that Windows routinely shuffles around and mixes and sends to sound cards. all you are doing is telling Winamp to tweak the output slightly to WAV format and send it to a file. easy. note that depending on the plugin you may need to mute all the other sources of sound on the computer when doing the capture. some are sensitive and basically capture whatever would be sent to your soundcard (including other random application noises, including the OS) while others do the "right thing" and only capture the audio that is streaming through Winamp. of course you need a good network connection for this to work properly -- any skips or pops will show up in the resulting file. similar methods will work for most operating systems. -- Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:57:19 -0500 From: Lewis W Beard Subject: DGM Collectors Club: What now? All, OK I bit the bullet and joined the DGM Collectors Club via the shopping cart at http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/cgi-bin/order.cgi . Now what? How long to I have to wait before I can specify what I want? Where do I go to back order the older releases I want? Where do I see whatgs coming up and when? I guess their interface leaves me a little nervous, since I dont know where the interface is? Have I missed an obvious link to some login or will I be emailed login info? I just got my order confirmation and thats it. Thanks, Lewis -- Lewis W Beard ............... lewis at lwb dot org ............... http://lwb.org/ "Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do." - Bertrand Russell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 19:59:05 -0400 From: "Dave Fisher" Subject: Re: Jimi Hendrix > >From: Daniel Pepper > >Subject: Fripp's Opinion On Jimi Hendrix > Anyway, I have an interview Fripp did in 81 with Vic Garbarini; RF said > (paraphrase) that the first time he heard Purple Haze everything opened up > for him. Maybe you can bring in some direct quotes?- Jim Hannigan I've always felt that the last 30 seconds of "Gypsy Eyes" foreshadowed decades of KC. If you haven't listened to it closely, do it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:19:41 -0700 From: "Darryl E. Alford" Subject: KC on the air This is an acknowledgment of a job well done for Berkeley's KPFA radio show Pitch A Fit. I was driving home from work around 01:00 last night expecting the usual boring selections on the radio waves when I quite by chance came across the final bits of LTIA Pt1. First thought: Oh hell, I missed it. Second thought: What station is this? You know how rare it is to hear our boys on the air. Well, I was in for a surprise. I stayed tuned and they went on to play LTIA Parts 2, 3 and 4 in succession plus other selections from the colorful, wide spectrum of KC material. I might not ever hear such a glorious assortment of sounds on the air again in my lifetime, but once sure beats never. Thank you, Pitch A Fit. Darryl in Sunnyvale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:49:55 EDT From: GenoTT at aol dot com Subject: Re: King Crimson's last tour for a spell? >I know I mentioned this earlier but I see the inclusion of "Larks' Tongues >In Aspic IV" on TCoL CD as a death knell cry for King Crimson as we know it >for awhile. Why? From Fripp and Gunn's comments, it seems KC is working together very well for now. However I think the undesirable venues and "violations" of the present tour may possibly signal the death knell for Crim's extended touring for a while. The problems seem to be more from bad booking and (some) fans' lack of respect. >Aside from its first appearance on the self-same titled >album (in which Jamie Muir played percussion and left shortly thereafter), >LTIA appearances have pre-figured the end of Crimsons lineups. So after >this tour, they may split for awhile. That's only happened once! Judging the current band by its history of 16-28 years ago makes no sense to me. True, during the early period KC had a habit of falling apart every year or so, but the lineups from '81 onward have proven to be much more stable. >Proof of this can be seen by the inclusion of LTIA III on THREE OF A >PERFECT PAIR (1984). Proof? If there's one thing KC has never been known to do, it's to follow what's expected from its previous history. Since the band seems to be getting along I don't see anything to stop them from working together. If touring proves not to be worth it, they can work on more studio material or schedule fewer shows where they can make their own specifications. I believe (hope?) Fripp and the band wouldn't give up on the good prospects the band has because some experiences have been bad. Perhaps they can find better venues and smaller audiences like they did with the ProjeKcts that would be more appreciative. (Hoping they don't give up on touring before coming to the US - this would be my first chance to see them play.) Any other thoughts? -g ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:42:18 CDT From: "Phillip Ciskowski" Subject: Howard Stern IS the Crimson King Hello everyone, Apparently Howard Stern won a battle of the bands with Tina Yothers (from Family Ties) by playing, yes, "In the Court of the Crimson King". I missed the actual performance, but my wife says it was "rocking". I heard a rehearsal a few days ago, and they were singing it in a pirate voice (?!), but they changed that for the actual performance. I actually saw a copy of ITCOTCK on ebay advertised "as played by Howard Stern". Yikes! So, what do you think the chances are that the double duo will pop by Mr. Stern's show for a jam session? (No reply necessary, but it would be fun!} By the way, if you don't like TCOL, you aren't playing it loud enough. Phil Ciskowski ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 00:33:13 EDT From: ZRobinZ at aol dot com Subject: Heep o' Wetton I saw Uriah Heep with John Wetton in Birmingham, Alabama in 1975 at the tender age of 16. Had no idea who he, or KC, were. I was bummed out because Heep's previous bassist had been electrocuted while playing in hte rain (apocrypha?). But I was greatly impressed; not only did Wetton play a great bass solo, he also played a guitar solo that blew away Heep's two guitarists. I was an instant fan. Robin B. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:52:28 EDT From: Ctao at aol dot com Subject: The Elitist Tango, or, More "Special Issues"??? David Vella wrote, in 694: "They (King's X) may be good, but they hardly merit being mentioned in the same sentence as King Crimson. (But then, who does?)" Puh-leeze. Is this a productive attitude? Just to play devil's advocate (and paraphrase the young Terry Bozzio from Zappa's 'Titties 'n Beer' - "um, perhaps Stravinsky?". Fetishizing the work of any artist does little to advance true understanding. -Conor D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:07:23 -0600 From: "Mary Rogers" Subject: Fripperlyrics In ET #696, Vince wrote: > Has Fripp written lyrics since Exposure? "Minor Man," on the original League of Gentlemen LP (Polydor PD-1-6317), which was sung by an exuberant Dannielle Dax, of the Lemon Kittens. --Bill Jacobson !!! o o - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:59:11 EDT From: Hocow at aol dot com Subject: Wetton in Heep,Fripp and Hendrix, gatefold editions In ET 696 Darryl wrote: >I was surprised he didn't >mention John Wetton who joined the group after KC broke-up. He was with >them 1975-76, in between Crimson and UK. Has anybody heard of anything he >did with the group? Is it better than their other material which TOTALLY >SUCKS! At the time, desperate for anything having to do with the recently deceased King Crimson, I checked out Uriah Heep. I saw them live and they were just Uriah Heep with a couple of excellent bass solo spots. High and Mighty, the album he was on was the same old Heep also, with one exception. There was an excellent song, written by Wetton, with Wetton on vocals called One Way Or Another. It was a bit rocky for Crimson but would not have been out of place on a KC album. It had very hyper vocal passages along the lines of Great Deceiver. If you are a total Wetton freak you might find this worth seeking out. There is an audio sample at Amazon but it is from a bridge passage that is not as good as the rest of the song. It fades out just as they are returning to the verse. With all the talk of what Fripp thought of Hendrix I don't think anyone mentioned that when ELP formed Fripp hoped to get a position but figured there was no chance when he learned Hendrix also wanted the gig and Emerson wasn't interested in having him (JH). If you are sitting on the fence on getting the rereleases, get them now. The audio quality is excellent. I think Fripp's fascination with drummers during the period he mixed them shows. Drums are more up front than on any previous versions. Many of Fripp's little support licks are also more prominent in the mix. I wasn't too keen on picking them up until they became unavailable. I was able to get all but Lizard (including In The Court) in the gatefold format through the Artist's shop. The packaging was so great I went nuts trying to find Lizard (apparently the first title to sell out everywhere). I didn't dare order from the chains online because none offered confirmation they had the correct version and I didn't want to get stuck with an old definitive edition. I finally got it as part of an international trade (thanks Darren). Anyway, get them while they are available again. The little books inside are really cool. Until I actually got them I had no idea what little masterpieces the covers were. Brad Wilmot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:10:31 +0200 (CEST) From: CARNEADE ALEPPE Subject: it matters. hi im a newcomer.why last kc has a such horrible cover? the aesthetic has been always important for kc as the coherence. bye. emanuele ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:28:39 -0500 From: "David F. Snyder" Subject: LTIA IV knell > From: James Dusewicz > > I know I mentioned this earlier but I see the inclusion of "Larks' Tongues > In Aspic IV" on tCoL CD as a death knell cry for King Crimson as we know it > for awhile. ... > Any comments?? As Fripp has said quite simply, when there is music that only KC can play, then KC appears. I for one doubt that the band is messaging anything by the song title LTIA IV other than it is yet another variation on an earlier theme. There was no LTIA on the Thrak/Vroom series but that line-up is apparently "dead," so I myself can't see the consistency (LTIA on album implies "death knell") that you claim to see. OTOH, what do I know? ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 00 12:53:58 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: Approaching Synthetica Hello Friends, Very happy to report for readers of a more electronic, instrumental, ambiental frame of mind to rush right out and buy the recently discussed CD by David Sylvian called 'Approaching Silence'. Reissued1999(1994 is original date) on Virgin Records' Shakti sub-label in the U.S. The CD is a peaceful/minimal, almost melodic piece of pure ambiental magic by mainly David Sylvian, with Frank Perry on track one(32:52), just DS on track two(2:24) and Robert Fripp on track three(38:17). No vocals, just various synthesizers, guitars, bells, shortwave radio and samples mixed in here and there. RF takes credit on track three for 'Frippertronics' and voice. There is no singing on this last track, just murky sampled voices that are barely audible. And a heart warming surprise to find the following liner note: "My warmest thanks to Holger Czukay for supplying me with sample material". Nothing like Can mind you, but very nice to see such a pleasant acknowledgement and use of material from someone like Holger Czukay who in his own right, opened many doors in the late sixties German explosion of experimental bands with his band Can's unique sound. The CD is immediately likable imo, and draws you right into it's silky web of easy flowing, non quirky and very relaxing ambient flavored music. This CD is overall a work of David Sylvian and is more melodic and optimistic in sound for those who might be tempted to compare the use of 'frippertronics' to RF's 'Soundscape' series style of sound. File under: Electronic/Ambiental enjoy, dv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:51:04 +1000 From: "Axel Bruns" Subject: Re: King Crimson's last tour for a spell? G'day ! James Dusewicz wrote in ET #697: > I know I mentioned this earlier but I see the inclusion of "Larks' Tongues > In Aspic IV" on tCoL CD as a death knell cry for King Crimson as we know it > for awhile. Yes: your reasoning doesn't seem to be substantiated by the facts. Before TCoL, there were three parts of LTiA: LTiA I and II heralded the beginning of what many perceive to be the best era in Crimso history; LTiA III marked the end of another important period. So, two out of three previous instances suggest this is the beginning of a great time in King Crimson's continued adventures, with only one out of three foreshadowing the opposite, which gives us a 66% probability of ongoing excellence. You can rest easy now. (Of course, taking into account that they were going to call "FraKctured" LTiA V for a while, if I remember correctly, we can even boost this to a 100% probability rating: albums with _two_ parts of LTiA on them always signalled the start of a long and successful reign of the Red Ruler, while those with only one part of it were the beginning of an interregnum. So, with what are in practice, if not in name, two LTiAs on TCoL, we can look forward to more greatness. Isn't creative statisticking fun ?-) There's a 90% chance that this posting is devoid of useful information. I feel my facial hair growing as I type. Ciao -- / /|_ http://snurb.web.com/ \ \ / /~|_) snurb at uq dot net dot au - Axel Bruns, Brisbane, Australia \ X / |_) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:35:41 +0200 From: Omar Didone Subject: GIG REVIEW: Conegliano Dear friends, yesterday I have listened to the King Crimson in Conegliano (Veneto), has been simply splendid. ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #698 ********************************