Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #693 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 693 Tuesday, 13 June 2000 Today's Topics: Dark Aether Project/Anekdoten/Tony Geballe @ Knitting Factory Interstellar Space Revisited Really Cheesy Song Wetton Concerts in Spain. god and the philosopher: who is dead? Crimso & related italian web site Still another TCOL impression and other stuff Backwards Hinting Drumming Death Match: Bruford vs. Mastelotto ProjeKct X - Band Rantings David Singleton interview, part 2 Its out there! Improvisation Beginners Guide to CC/More re: Andy McCulloch / Fields McDonald And Giles Depressed Minor Observations/Fleur De Lis Project X(ML) - Crimson Crimson In Spanish Covers GIG REVIEW: Warsaw, 10.06.2000 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:58:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Subject: Dark Aether Project/Anekdoten/Tony Geballe @ Knitting Factory On Wednesday, June 14th, The Knitting Factory at 74 Leonard Street in NYC will feature a night of progressive music in the main space featuring The Dark Aether Project with special guests Anekdoten and Tony Geballe. Doors open at 8pm. Tickets are $10 at The Knitting Factory box office or charge via phone at (212)219-3006. The Dark Aether Project features Adam Levin (Warr 8 string touch guitar/ keyboards/loops), Ray Weston (vocals/bass), Steev Geest (guitar/guitar synth/loops) and Allen Brunelle (drums/keyboards). Their music has been called "..intense and blistering...amazing loops and shimmering textures that are at once haunting and dreamlike" by Expose. Progression critic Larry Nai writes: "Dark Aether Project hits a lot of progressive rock pleasure points with Feed the Silence, but make no mistake: this is not another derivative band with little new to say...this is an absolutely fabulous album." The band will feature music from their forthcoming third album. See: http://www.darkaether.net/ Swedish progressive rock band Anekdoten features Nicklas Berg (vocals/guitar/keyboards), Jan-Erik Liljestrom (vocals/bass), Ana-Sofi Dahlberg (cello/keyboards/vocals) and Peter Nordins (drums/percussion). Anekdoten's music flows from heavy pounding dissonance to beautifully quiet melancholy melodic passages. Anekdoten will be performing in support of their third studio album _From Within_. See: http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-25753/anekdoten/ Tony Geballe's credits include work with Robert Fripp & the League of Crafty Guitarists, the Trey Gunn Band, Toyah, the New York Indonesian Gamelan, Dostlar and since 1993, Composer-in-Residence to New York's Arden Party Theater Company. Tony will feature material from his DGM release "Native of the Rain" highlighting his extraordinary 12 string acoustic guitar work. See: http://www.parallaxweb.com/tonycore/ For directions and more information about The Knitting Factory, please visit http://www.knittingfactory.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:54:23 -0600 From: Mike Subject: Interstellar Space Revisited June 13 at the Empty Bottle: INTERSTELLAR SPACE REVISITED: THE MUSIC OF JOHN COLTRANE (Atavistic) This show is at the Empty Bottle, 1035 N. Western Ave. Chicago. The phone number is (773) 276-3600 and tickets can be had at the door or in advance through their web site at http://emptybottle.com/. Cover is just $8...and if you miss this one...well...don't say I didn't warn ya. ;-) "Underrated Los Angeles guitarist Nels Cline and equally underrated New Jersey-based drummer Gregg Bendian have their way with material from the historic 1967 duets between jazz icon John Coltrane and drummer Rashied Ali. Few guitarists have the dexterity, power and sheer audacity to cover material from Coltrane's most heightened (read: "out") phase, but Cline certainly reaches some transcendent plateaus here, pushed by the extraordinary polyrhythmic fusillades of Bendian, a former sideman to Cecil Taylor. The two flesh out all the melodic themes from Interstellar Space, using them as a jumping-off point for their intensely volatile interactions. Cline, a six-string virtuoso and sonic experimenter on par with Henry Kaiser and Bill Frisell, does not spare the fuzz box and feedback in his attempts at approximating Coltrane's surging "sheets of sound." The result is one of the great documents of noise as an aesthetic unit...light years beyond Sonic Youth. Jimi Hendrix's "EXP" with an Elvin Jones pulse only begins to describe what goes down on this white-hot cauldron of kinetic energy." Bill Milkowski As an added note to King Crimson fans...recently Richard Leo Johnson (an absolutely amazing acoustic guitarist) opened the Crimson shows in Nashville. Inhabiting the drum chair behind Richard was none other than Gregg Bendian. After their set, ton's of Gregg's cd's were scooped up by the very enthusiastic crowd. Can a house full of rabid KC fan's be wrong? Come see for yourself this Tuesday! And if this wasn't enough, also on the bill that night is SCARNELLA. Scarnella is the errant brainchild of Carla Bozulich (The Geraldine Fibbers, Ethyl Meatplow, etc.) and Nels Cline (The Nels Cline Trio, the Fibbers, collaborator with Mike Watt, Thurston Moore, Charlie Haden...the list goes on). In early June of '98, the two traveled to the Pacific Northwest and, playing their first shows as a duo along the way, recorded their debut album. Two weeks later, with four shows, six days of recording/mixing and a breathtaking coastal drive behind them, an album (mostly consisting of material written along the journey or live in the session) was complete, and they became fully immersed in dissecting that treacherous creature we cavalierly refer to as: the future. The band draws on a wide array of styles, instruments & methodologies to express itself: Carla still plays guitar and works her mighty pipes, but also adds bass guitar and her sampling keyboard, which had been in the closet collecting dust for too long. Nels lays down his singular, howlingly virtuosic fret-math, and puts in some overtime on the the drumkit, where the cresting thump and whir he inflicts proves that besides being a guitar-god for the millennium, he's no slouch behind the skins, either. Look to Scarnella for everything from intimate ballads to extended moments of improvised mayhem. Scarnella is a work in progress that will probably never be finished, never easily defined. If you can relax your toes long enough, it will all make sense. -- Outre Music Music Beyond Boundaries ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:02:03 -0400 From: Barry Stock Subject: Really Cheesy Song > they ended with a cover of some 80's song I can't for the life of me > remember the name of it but it had the lyrics "Nothing Could Keep Us Apart", > it was a really cheesy song but you could tell they were playing it just to > take the piss... I thought for a minute they had swapped "Heroes" with "Love Will Tear Us Apart" as an encore. Now that would be something indeed! --BS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:29:49 -0600 From: "Luna Negra, S.C." Subject: Wetton Concerts in Spain. Hi, Dear friends: This e-mail is just to pass a message I got from Spain about the cancelled concerts of Wetton in Madrid and Barcelona. This is NOT official but it seems Wetton has suffered "an accident" as the following e-mail states. It's in Spanish, sorry. This e-mail was posted by Jose Manuel Inesta, owner of LA CAJA DE MUSICA progressive-related maling list in Spanish. Does anybody know something about this. > >Acabo de llamar a la promotora de Robert Mills ( 93 2465512 ) > >para averiguar si John Wetton venia solo o en plan acustico. > >Cual ha sido mi sorpresa, cuando me dicen que se han suspendido los > >conciertos en Madrid y Barcelona, por culpa de un accidente que ha > >sufrido Wetton. Hope everything is OK with John Wetton. See you. Juan Jose @ Luna Negra ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:16:18 +0200 From: Roderich von Detten Subject: god and the philosopher: who is dead? good evening hippies, just a small footnote to the philosophy-section that recently opened on ET: it is NIETZSCHE (or NietZsche, if you like it in these times; with a "Z" as in "Zorro") to whom you (and probably adrian belew) referred to Karl-Heinz Nietzsche, to be more precise ;-) sorry for killing this thread yours sincerely roderich ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 2000 14:45:34 -0000 From: ametta at supereva dot it () Subject: Crimso & related italian web site Hello everybody, maybe Italian (and why not) or not Italian ETers would be interested in taking a look at No Warning!, the new alternative music info space on the web. It's written in Italian and features infos and reviews about Crimso and related, but also Zappa, Porcupine Tree and anything is outside the schemes. Best wishes from Turin Luigi Ametta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:37:23 -0700 From: "Stephen L Arnold" Subject: Still another TCOL impression and other stuff Greetings and Felicitations: I finally got my copy of TCOL a week or so ago; my wife went out and picked it up right away without any prompting (we got the postcard in the mail). What a woman 8-) I must say, I can't figure out what the heck you're all complaining about. Other than maybe re-ordering the tracks, I think it's totally killer. Of course it's different; could anyone expect otherwise? Every incarnation is different. Maybe it's not what I expected, but it's four of my favorite musicians, so I can't complain. I'll take all the KC I can get, new or old. And all their derivative works as well. But whenever any combination gets together, the result is always more than the sum of the (individually exceptional) parts. Comparing it to 80's KC, or the Amsterdam show, or anything else is meaningless (and a complete waste of time), unless perhaps if it was an objective comparison of styles, etc. But that's not what I've seen here lately. It's been more like a bunch of whining snobs, coming dangerously close to those asshole film critics we all love to hate. Can we say "lighten up"? I think it might be time to let go of those unrealistic expectations and just appreciate what we've got for a change. And lay off the fans; if they're there in the first place, then there's always hope. And remember what your Mom said: "Never criticize anyone if you can't do it better yourself." I can't, so I won't. I *have* done it better than many pop "musicians" so I won't stop raking them over the coals (or "throwing them under a bus" as a friend of mine would say). But that's another topic... << soap-box mode off >> I hope whoever can is enjoying it all as much as I am; I didn't know molybdenum could be so enjoyable... Bye now, Steve ************************************************************* Steve Arnold http://www.rain.org/~sarnold Things go better with Linux and King Crimson. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:39:28 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: Backwards Hinting Good evening! In addition to the posting of Macahan (BTW what's your name?) I'd like to mention some sort of Backwards Hinting on TCoL that is INDEED not easy to find out: The fadeout of the beloved piano solo at the end of Oyster Soup (I don't think that track is THAT great) sounds nearly exactly like Mike Garson's piano solo on Thru These Architects Eyes from KC friend David Bowie's album Outside. A hidden "Hello David how ya doing"? Markus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:08:04 -0500 From: "Buzz Fenner" Subject: Drumming Death Match: Bruford vs. Mastelotto After reading continual chit chat (sorry, couldn't resist) of who should be in the drumming chair, it causes me to call to mind an article I read several years ago in Modern Drummer. The writer was commenting on developing playing styles that complement the music being played. He had a message for the countless young drummers who were furiously working at imitating Neal Peart's style. To paraphrase the writer he basically said while it was very admirable to be able to cop all of Neil's chops, there was only one job available for that playing style, and unfortunately it was already taken. I seem to recall Pat was brought in originally because of his different approach to the music. Not jazz - more rock - more electronic. Sounds as if to me he is doing what is requested of him. That's why he's probably there right now. More than likely, he may even be enjoying himself. Bruford is my personal favorite as a drummer/percussionist, but my hat's off to the new guy. He rocks. Buzz Fenner bfenner at bscn dot com home ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 01:12:03 -0400 From: leslabb at ptd dot net Subject: ProjeKct X - Band Rantings Anybody else notice that during track 12 on ProjeKct X CD, 46 seconds into the track, it seems like Robert is saying "What The Fuck Was That?" I can't say I ever expected to hear the "F blank blank blank" word coming from his mouth. Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:32:39 +0100 From: thoward at cs dot man dot ac dot uk Subject: David Singleton interview, part 2 Once again, we're very grateful to ET reader Lindsay Planer (lplaner at netrover dot com) for sending us the second half an interview he recently conducted with David Singleton (the first half appeared in ET#668). Lindsay currently writes for Sneeker.com, Live! Music Review, and Mojo. Please do not redistribute this interview without Lindsay's permssion. -- Toby. LP: David, how did you get involved with Bootleg TV (BTV)? 0DS: (laughs heartily) Well, I founded BTV is 'how I got involved.' This is really a spin-off of Discipline and the Collectors' Club model. It's the same notion of the ongoing and continuing interest in the magic of the moment - the live show. This, I think, is greatly under-served. The Collectors' Club model works really well for archive releases. However, we are limited to six releases a year. So, when King Crimson goes on tour there is a great interest and demand for what goes on. For instance, the last time the group performed a set of shows in Japan, as they left there was already on sale a 12 CD box set of said shows on sale. The underlying and fundamental principal behind BTV is that we wish to broadcast all live shows of participating artists from around the globe as they happen. So that people can enjoy the wonder magic of the moment of the live show. We aren't in any way trying to replicate going to a show. LP: It's a different experience obviously ... DS: Right! The thing that people are currently seeking in bootlegs we wish to offer. LP: When did this concept hit you? DS: Last June actually. We began exploring the possibilities of the Internet via the King Crimson "Live In Mexico City" download. Which was very successful and well received. At the present time however, the Internet world is extremely expensive. So there was little chance of creating a company to only represent King Crimson. I mean the millions of dollars would be needed to create such a venture and it wouldn't be justified by just one band. Therefore, we founded and entirely different company based in Seattle. LP: Why in Seattle? DS: For one reason all the wonderful new technology is here. You have Microsoft, Real Audio, one of the largest encoding companies in the world. They are all located here. As well as a whole host of emerging technologies. So we formed this whole separate company called BTV in Seattle to provide these services for King Crimson and a host of other artists who are currently joining us. LP: Over time BTV will garner new artists as well ... DS: Oh yes, there are some really wonderful artists that are looking forward to working with BTV. I am excited and really, flattered actually by the quality of artists, the quality of staff who are willing to commit their lives to make this a reality. LP: OK David ... let's get to the crux of the biscuit ... what is the scoop on the availability of every KC show on this tour? DS: The ink is drying as we speak on the way that discs of every show will work. In the long term this type of service will be part of BTV's model. We are really going to try and change live music from a product into a process. You know there is always the temptation to make it a product, make it a CD and listen to it time and time again. However, in reality a live show is a wonderful live process that ideally would be listened to once and then you'd move to the next - rather than listening to the same show. Which is the way you'd listen if you were at a live show. So at BTV you can actually do that . We will continue of offer a sufficient amount of changing performances keeping with the notion of following the band night after night. Right now the penetration of the Internet is not large enough to service the demand of the complete fan base which is why we are going to have CD's of every show. These will be available either via the Discipline or BTV website as well as orders taken at the show this is so everyone will have access to them. LP: Alas, the beginning of the ... DS: ... end of bootlegs, yes! There are two sides of bootlegs really. There is the legality obviously which we are trying to get rid of. However there is also the genuine desire to experience the magic of music which happens in live performance. That notion is respected and that is why BTV has been founded really. We want to service that need. LP: Will other DGM artists be handled by BTV? DS: To my knowledge yes they will. Plus a whole roster of other artists. For the smaller artists it might prove a challenge to present a whole tour. However selected shows by all those artists will be available. LP: Are you sending a whole camera crew on tour? How does this work? DS: Well with the KC model, we will have a few challenges. Firstly, the tour in Europe. We will have to see how fast we can get the tapes out of Europe for replication. Those shows will be shot, then the tapes will be mixed down and edited in the States. This will effectively slow down the delivery time. However it will deliver a much better product. The nice thing is that the lag at the beginning of the tour will then allow shipping time to be minimal. In other words once the tapes begin to flow, it will be a daily influx of new shows. It might not be in real time, but once you get the first night, then the next night will be the next night and so on. You will be able, if you wish to, follow night after night. LP: What are the ultimate goals for BTV ... your personal goals? DS: Well, my goal is really to increase the value of the act of music. It is a direct spin on most of the work we've been doing at Discipline. The music industry now is pretty much product-based. That is fine and I am not trying to knock that. However there is a complete other side of that industry which is the act of music in performance and the whole goal of the company is to present that. This is something that has incredible inherent value and is totally disregarded currently. LP: How do you think that this will effect the performances of the artists - if at all? DS: Well, this is in a beta stage ... (laughs) not even an alpha stage. The KC tour is a very first alpha test of the BTV system. We are basically intending to go live this autumn in a larger full-time way with more bands. LP: So like a TV, one can tune in at any given time to see what is on BTV? DS: Precisely! This will of course happen first with KC and the ConstruKCtion Of Light gigs. This is the first band we've had a chance to do this with so it makes for an exciting time for all. It will be interesting to see, and to answer your initial question, I do think that by broadcasting every night the music will be changed. It will place new demands on the performance - which is a rather wonderful thing. LP: One last burning question that occurs to me if I may? DS: Yes, please LP: What will be the next batch of 24-bit remasters? DS: Ah, well ... let's see ... as far as studio albums, we are working in chronological order. Larks Tongues In Aspic, Starless & Bible Black , and Red should be out either late this year or early '01. LP: What of Earthbound and USA? DS: Well you might see those sooner as much of the work has been done on them. As Robert's is on the road, we must wait for the whole package to be assembled. But as I say much of that has been done, so perhaps by the end autumn. This is KC we are talking about. They have not been forgotten though. LP: (sigh of relief) ... Thank you David. I appreciate your time and once we have some results and BTV is on-the-air, might we meet here again for a progress report? DS: Yes. I will be most eager to hear what you have to say. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:30:01 +1000 From: the coffeys Subject: Its out there! I reckon that if you play a show in public, people pay to see you and they tape the show, swap the tape with other fans at their own expense... that the artist has no reason to complain ... once you do something in public - its out there - and it is nolonger just yours anymore... it is beyond your control. If it is problem, don't play in public... then they will forget about you and listen to something else... However if they sell the recordings it is different matter! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:09:44 PDT From: "Martin Warin" Subject: Improvisation Hey ET... this is my second posting, and more will follow... 1) How improvised are songs like "Providence" or "We'll let you know"? I mean, were the tracks recorded separately, or did they all sit in the studio at once? Did they have any set goals, like: "Uuuh, Bill, you start drumming like *that* after two minutes and I'll keep playing Eb min sus4 add 9, ok?" One wonders... 2) I bought and listened to Genesis - "Selling England by the pound" the other day. The intro to "The battle of Epping Forest" sounds just like "Merday Morn" on Wake of Poseidon. Or is it just me? 3) I've been told that the swedish band Anekdoten has played a lot of KC covers on their tours. Were they ever recorded (legally, that is, since bootlegging is *bad*)? -You should be digging it while it's happening, 'cause it just might be a one-shot-deal - Frank Zappa (may he rest in peace) -Warin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 05:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Joseph Basile Subject: Beginners Guide to CC/More To Michael Britt, I get the same responses from people. Many called UK YUK.A few said that KC just goes around like four year olds and bangs on their instruments. I tell them to "Listen,actively Listen"-R.F. I tell them Crimson is for the more intellectual type. Then I'll tell them there family history. At times this works, then other times..... Everytime I listen to TCOL,It is better and better. May I recommend The Beginners Guide to THE KING CRIMSON COLLECTORS CLUB? At the DMG site at a give away price. LTIA1,Funky Jam, Seizure, Sailor's Tail are priceless! A cool booklet too! I don't have time to read every ET post, but I do! Thanks ET! Basile By The Three Rivers Were Crimson is welcomed! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:19:47 +1000 From: "Bostle" Subject: re: Andy McCulloch / Fields Rene Laursen wrote: "Andy McCulloch was member of Greenslade and can be heard on all 4(5) records they made (This was the period 1973-1975). Before Crimson - I have bee told - he have been drumming in "The Crazy World of Arthur Brown" and "Fields" (whoever they are?!). What he have been doing after Greenslade I don't know" The live Greenslade CD is well worth checking out (released mid-late '99 Mystic Records MYSCD 136. Fields released one self-titled LP in 1971 (CBS S69099). One track 'A Friend Of Mine' got some very brief radio play at the time. I've seen one CD pressing of Fields on a collectors label, retailing in Australia at a ridiculous price. Fields were a trio, the other members being Alan Barry (gtr on Gordon Haskell's 1st solo and some work with Pete & Mike Giles) and Graham Fields (kybds) who founded Rare Bird. The LP is in the 'pastoral prog' sphere and fans of Greenslade (which includes me) would likely enjoy same. As a sometimes drummer I enjoy/respect McCulloch for the same reasons I was in awe of Jon Hiseman w/ Colosseum - the ability to swing n' stretch the structures. Keep musicking. Bill Bostle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:28:44 +0200 From: Valerie Le Goff et Mickael Vedrine Subject: McDonald And Giles Hi Eters, For those of you who might be interested, I just posted on my website the chords and a few tabs for the whole "McDonald & Giles" terrific album. You can view it at http://www.multimania.com/mvedrine/ Feel free to send me your comments. Bye Mickael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:45:57 +0100 From: paul dot williams at nab dot co dot uk Subject: Depressed TCOL? I love it and I especially like Frying pan, which seems to buck the trend! The retro cuts (Frak & LTIA 4) are brilliant and I have no problems at all with V Drums. I got into KC because of Billy B back in '73 but, imho, he is not missed here. I am depressed reading all these gig reviews. KC playing just one night in the UK (where it all started) is unbelievable. Add to this the fact that the show takes place while I am in Greece on vacation makes it utterly unbearable. I am gonna miss it (sob sob) RF has also given up on an Aussie showing too, which could have been an option for me. I think it crucial that the next CC release is culled from the current tour. ;-(( PW e i o or f r o! ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 00 10:07:12 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: Minor Observations/Fleur De Lis Hello Friends, Not to sound condescending against commercial artistry, but more to wonder quizzically as in issue 691, "Clive Lathrope" noticed: >Anybody else noticed the similarity between "Oyster Soup" and >"Fantasy" by Mariah Carey ? Conceptually, this is sCarey. Then, in 690, this hilarity, with hats off and applause to Josh for pretty much capturing my feelings on this deadthread. (Every time I read this, it causes near uproarious laughter.) I'm really sorry for dredging this up though, Toby and rest. >From: "Josh Chasin" >Subject: How to File CD's >Regarding the simmering controversy framed thusly: >>> Should I put my ProjeKt CD's at P or K???? >Man, some of you folks really do pick a nit. I put 'em under K-- but then, >I put Fripp and Belew and League of Gentlemen there as well. >Coming next ET: I reveal how I file records by Paul McCartney, Dave Edmunds, >and Ronnie Wood. Keep up the sense of humor my comrades and realize that on some talk groups, this kind of fun is sorely lacking. Additionally, on a local college station(KFJC/Los Altos Hills, CA), a DJ came on after a nifty little mid sixties tune saying that Gordon Haskell was in the band. The band was Fleur De Lis and looking them up, had very little luck finding any info. I might be a little spaced here but I'm pretty sure the info in this paragraph is correct. A correction on my 690 Andy McCulloch post...the Duncan Mackay LP's listed, Mel Collins, John Wetton and AC played only on the 1977 release called 'Score'. And finally, greetings to Craig Shropshire. Good to hear your thoughts lately. Send me your 86 list. Have a good one now, dv ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:58:50 EDT From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Project X(ML) - Crimson Just got back from 4 (long) days of JavaOne in San Francisco (so I believe - no time to verify that by visiting anything other than the Moscone Convention Center) and thought some might find this interesting: An open source XML parsing project being initiated by Sun Microsystems called Project X has been code named "Crimson". The source has been turned over to the Apache organization for inclusing into the Xerces Java Parser. The Crimson XML Parsing core library enables basic functionality for reading, manipulating, and generating XML documents through pure Java APIs. I asked James Duncan Davidson from Sun, who did a presentation that mentioned this, about the coincidental (to us) naming of the project, but he indicated the code name was randomly selected. So, how many Sun Microsystems employees actually are ETers or Crim fans? Perhaps it was a coincidence at all. Cheers, Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:20:00 +0100 From: "Andrew Dearden" Subject: Crimson In Spanish Hi all. This is my first post, after a while spent lurking. On my recent trip to Spain I was somewhat surprised to find myself buying a book about King Crimson, in Spanish, from El Corte Ingles in Granada. It's entitled simply King Crimson, written by one Carlos Romeo and published in 1999. I'm currently making my way through it slowly, with the aid of a dictionary. It seems solidly factual so far, and objective rather than sycophantic. A smattering of photos is included. Just wondered if anyone else had come across the publication. Regards, Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:36:52 EDT From: Hocow at aol dot com Subject: Covers Howdy, >Maybe they could revisit some of the other "cheesy" songs they're >guilty of contributing to in the 80's. Perhaps Adrian can be >persuaded to "take the piss" out of True Colors. Caught Levin's show in Salt Lake last night. The crowd was small but the band still played their butts off. Speaking of butts, this was a no smoking concert at a bar which normally does allow smoking (including a solo Belew gig a few months back). In light of the hub bub about KC playing Heroes, Levin's band did several covers (Does Elephant Talk count as a cover performed by TL?). For me, the high point of the night was an obscure (to me anyway) Hendrix piece. While I enjoyed the material from Tony's new album, I thought the covers gave the concert something unique to itself that you couldn't get on a studio recording. It was almost as good as back when bands played unreleased material (Starless and Dr. Diamond for instance). But then, who has time to write additional material when they have just recorded a new album? I think arranging other material is a good idea. I saw Yes (no I am not a huge Yes freak) do Spencer Davis Group's Gimme Some Lovin' and thought it went a long ways towards dispersing the pretentiousness cloud that usually hangs over those guys. Even going way back in the Crim archives (I know Bob objects) is like doing a cover since the material was by another band, usually with different instrumentation. I know I felt that way about all the 70's material covered by the 80's lineup and the double trio. By the way, anyone intrigued by the lounge version of Cage might want to take a look at the acoustic version on Belew's Salad Days. It's slower and simpler but has a cooler groove than the original. I haven't heard the new live version but I would be willing to bet this version was a stepping stone towards it. Honest, Bobby, this isn't a left handed request for Crim catalogue. I find the idea of Heroes or some other cover just as intrigueing. I'm just pointing out that the band has changed to such a great degree that doing their old material is equivalent to doing a cover (No Tom Tom Club or Blondie, please.) Brad Wilmot ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:01:00 +0200 From: "Marcin Gokieli" Subject: GIG REVIEW: Warsaw, 10.06.2000 Hi ETalkers, Crimson played an incredible concert. It was stunning. The public was OK (i was a little bit afraid that becausem of the high ticket prices there would be only old fans who want to listen to the old tunes. This problem did not appear, when somebody shouted afer an improv 'easy money' there was lots of laughs. Belew seemed to like the reaction. The setlist was quite standard: they played all TCOL, dinosaur, cage (an incredible version, more quiet, and with great solos by Robert), VROOOM, two unknown improvs, Deception of the thrush, TOAPP acoustic, and heroes. The whole thing was incredible, Fripp played loads of solos (during one of the inproves he played a lightspeed solo - i did not know one can play guitar with THAT speed). He seemed to like what was happening. Belew was a beast, and the rhythm section played beautifully - Trey was great, and Pat did an incredible job, especially by the end of the show. He was THE GUY on LTIA IV. I liked this concert MUCH more then the two Double Trio concerts i've attended. I am very heppy that BB and TL are no more in the band - i like their playing, but they had a concrete and definite style. Now it's much more surprising. The band as a whole sounds great, and they seem to have fun with the musuic they do. With BB and TL, the improvs were less concrete, and the whole show tended to become a rhythm section fest. Now, the iterplay is amazing, they listen to what they play very carefully and react very quickly. Six persons in a band is an awful lot, especially with all those sticks and electronic devices. KC live now sound like a great, adventurous, extremly skilled rock band. I think that even the THRAK stuff sounds better now- more violence and more fun. The highlights were: two improvs, decption, cage, oyster soup, and LTIA. Heroes is a great encore - kind of 'ok, we had great time, lets have fun at the end'. AB was great playing TOAPP. What i like very much was the spontaneous atmosphere of the whole event: no problem, no pretention, just a great band playing great & very funny music. And all the members were in great form. TG played some tunes (cage, ssed maybe, and heroes) on a strange, small bass guitar. What is it? During the second improv, AB sang a strange vocal part, a beautiful, short minor melody. I seem to know it, but definitely can not recognize it, so it's possible that i've never heard it. Any ideas? Well, let's see what will happen today as wer have a second one here in Warsaw... Almost forgot to write that RF did the 'support act' with some 10 - 15 minutes of sounscapes at the beginning. The lights were on, he walked on stage and drifted for 10 minutes, then he left,. and after another 10 minutes the lights were off and the show began. Marcin Gokieli marcingokieli at go2 dot pl ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #693 ********************************