Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #689 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 689 Wednesday, 7 June 2000 Today's Topics: Sleeping For Years Ade's Vocals Mr. Farah..I now see your humor Adrian's guitar Re: Andy McCulloch For the differently-humor-enabled, and on collector's clubs Re: P or K? controversy boots, banter, bickering.... 10th PLANET CD Bruford - The Naked Chef? TCoL Diary Notes Pat's a great drummer/Miguel's a great poster I bought IT 2 weeks ago :) Re : Krimson covering Too many thoughts.... Mc Culloch Mexico City 1996 The ConstruKction of Light tcol Re: THE TENTH PLANET proper audience etiquette GIG REVIEW: KC Bonn (Germany) Concert June 6th, 2000 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: 06 Jun 00 12:21:22 -0700 From: "David Voci" Subject: Sleeping For Years Greetings and Felicitations, Children of Technology, and of course to Sebastian Petit, Disc Jockey extraordinaire... A few points.... 1. I would think that especially in the tense environment that some Krimson shows depicted here and on that one Projekcts CD ending about the camera(a complete waste of free CD space if you ask me) seem to have about them, that besides the main and basic concept of capturing for personal pleasure later(Arnie Schulberg makes a valid point my friends, as long as you don't sell the work.) a small portion of doing so is that you got away with it!!! Maybe my prankster mentality is showing. 2. Readers recently who write getting tired of all this back and forth nit picking and useless arguing are dead on the mark here...Realize though, that when you write about negativity and lament line after line about others who you deem negative, then you too are lamenting and being negative. (I know, I'm also guilty right now so I'll stop.) 3. I would really like to see Crimson maybe in future extravaganzas musical, think about incorporating some horns and flutes or anything that you blow air through, into their song structure. I am still a hardcore advocate of the mentality that the true and original King Crimson sound pretty much dried up after Lizard, at least in the studio. Sidebar: The Upper Extremities CD shows some nice trumpet blasts courtesy of Chris Botti. 4. I was listening very attentively/affectionately to the whole of the Epitaph 4CD set the other night and even though the sound quality is questionable, a very powerful CD Epitaph truly is. Once you get over the sub par quality of the recording and are able to concentrate on the great playing going on, you don't even care anymore about the recording anomalies. I found myself thinking about how nice it would be to have another 4 or 5CD set from this era or take it one step further and put out a 10CD set that features 1969-1974 live, unreleased material. Honestly, the music found on Epitaph is so invigorating as Crimson are stripped down here with no studio gimmickry and you really hear the band for what it is. Quite nice and straightforward on these early live gigs without all the studio niceties. 5. Recently recorded onto CDR Earthbound, from vinyl, as I am bummed out that this or similar concerts have not become available to the general public on CD. Point is that although retro, this material, just like the murkiness of Epitaph, is great. 6. A point I would like to make here in regards to all this bootlegging talk going on lately(throw this in with religion and politics, btw)is that had fans on Epitaph not grabbed themselves a copy or two of those Crimson shows on God only knows what tape devices they had back then, could we even be so lucky to get them after all these years on the Epitaph CD? Rob F. even says as much in the liner notes to Epitaph and indirectly thanks the fans through the liner notes for providing him with these long lost cassettes to be able to clean the shows up and include them on Epitaph. Mmmmm. 7. I have a really hard time appreciating the 80's period Crimson and am not a big Belew fan as I never really took the time to check him out more adaquately(whilst with Zappa, probably one of Zappa's weaker periods and not because of Belew, but more because of Francesco himself.) Until Thrakkatak and the Soundscapes, I had pretty much given up on Crimson through the 80's to mid 90's. 8. No matter what anyone says, the musician has the right to do whatever they want and as a fan, you can follow or take whatever detour you need to if you don't follow that direction because ultimately, and correct me if I'm wrong, most good musicians do what's in their heart and not really what the fans want anyway. And this is definitely a good thing. 9. Being a fan of ranging music styles, I saw a posting in certain electronic music catalogues re David Sylvian's 'Approaching Silence' release with Robert Fripp playing along with DS on one track, a 38 minute excursion I can only imagine to be in the ballpark of an ambiental synthetic affair(soundscape if you will). Any feedback or views on this would be cool. Apparently the track, also called 'Approching Silence', was first done in 94 and this seems to be another take of that. 10. While RF is credited for guitar playing and producing on the Centipede project, we all know he never played guitar on the album and just produced the session. Did he ever play with Centipede on their live shows or other studio gigs that might have been recorded? best, dv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:14:56 -0400 From: "Smith, Thom" Subject: Ade's Vocals Hi, all. I haven't posted in a long while. And shame on me, I didn't even know the new album was out! But I got it, and listened, and listened, and listened, and I agree -- after about four or five rounds -- the depth of the orchestration really shines. "ITFP" is a must hear now (loud, too) when I get home from work. I like Ade's vocals more than ever before, and they remind me of many of the close harmonies of Alice in Chains, even in his enunciation. His lyrics are thought-provoking if glib, but they work perfectly in the ensemble playing. Question: Does Ade overdub, or does he use the same sort of processor he used for "ProsaKc Blues"? I assume for the recording that he overdubbed. Tony's harmonies were always a big part of the music, and I wonder how they'll pull it off live. Looking forward to the US tour! As the music grows, I'm sure we're all in for a treat. Peace, Thom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:16:34 -0400 From: Bob Pascarella Subject: Mr. Farah..I now see your humor Please accept my apologies for my lack of humor in reply to Mr. Farah's post. This bootlegging issue has got me in a bunch. As a song writer and performer, I find the arguments in favor of recording Crim shows distrurbing. Mr. Fripp has asked his audient not to record. Shouldn't that be enough? Again I apologize for the misunderstanding. I should have realized that such ridiculous statements could only have been sarcastic in nature. Or as we say in Boston...DOH! Robert Pascarella Hot Headed Italian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:36:50 -0500 From: Don Lawrence Subject: Adrian's guitar After a few listens to TCOL, I would like to note that Adrian Belew plays the guitar like a MANIAC! Wow, Whew. I always thought his role in the KC sound since the 80s was under recognized. This is documented in the videos. And I still vividly remember his performance on tour with the Talking Heads.... With the new KC, Adrian's as reach a new level of intensity. Great stuff. Don (not a turd) Lawrence ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:42:36 +0200 From: "Rene_Laursen" Subject: Re: Andy McCulloch >Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 23:49:55 PDT >From: "alejandro hoyos" >Subject: Andy McCulloch >I could not find the Lizard drummer anywhere else but on Lizard. Since he >is not on the "former KC members" question from the FAQ, I am asking you >(you seem the only hope) to tell me where else I can hear him play, or what >has he been involved with since Lizard. Thank you. Andy McCulloch was member of Greenslade and can be heard on all 4(5) records they made (This was the period 1973-1975). Before Crimson - I have bee told - he have been drumming in "The Crazy World of Arthur Brown" and "Fields" (whoever they are?!). What he have been doing after Greenslade I don't know. Rene Laursen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 16:46:52 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" Subject: For the differently-humor-enabled, and on collector's clubs On 2000-06-06 20:30 +0000, Elephant Talk shared this: > Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:28:49 -0400 > From: Bob Pascarella > Subject: Can we please ignore Mr.Farah's post? > > An obvious attempt to push every button on every current topic with the > "We're bootlegging the next show" post . It disturbs me to realize that > someone will go to this effort to solicit controversy. Bob: I respectfully suggest you tweak the setting in your mail reader that color-codes the funnier bits. Crank the sensitivity up one or two notches. Miguel: I laughed various unmentionable body parts off. Thanks. --- > Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:54:56 EDT > From: "top jimmy" > Subject: Chit-Chat, it's only talk... > > Does any ET reader know any other band that has a Collector's Club or > something similiar? I thought this was an amazing idea and have been in it Dream Theater engages in "something similar". For the past three or four years, the DT Int'l Fan Club has released a "Christmas CD", compiled by the band's drummer, of various rareties such as live tracks, non-album tracks, cover tunes recorded for fun, and the like. DT is one of my favorites especially because of their selflessness toward their hardcore fans. -Chris .....Christopher R. Merlo....................................... . cmerlo at acm dot org . . cmerlo at miracle dot burningblue dot net . .....http://miracle.burningblue.net............................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:37:38 -0400 From: Chad Ossman Subject: Re: P or K? > on 06 Jun 2000 Stephane Berland wrote: > >> Should I put my ProjeKt CD's at P or K???? > > Put them at P ! And put your King Crimson albums at K, K', K'', K''', etc. I'm glad to see I'm not the only compulsive KC trainspotter who puzzled over this "issue"! I just want to make the quick point that DGM released the Projekcts boxed set under the name "King Crimson: The Projekcts", so it would seem Fripp would like the set to be formally known as a Crimson release, and probably filed under "K" at music shops as well. So personally, it makes sense to me to put them alongside the "proper" KC albums. Recent Projekct and KC albums mixed together chronologically is effectively an overview of the music that finally crystallized on TCoL, and will undoubtedly continue to evolve on further albums that might not bear the KC name (such as PX, come to think of it). best, Chad Ossman ___________Pseudo.com_______FringeDigital.com___________ Animator Freelance Designer 212.358.0409 f 425.984.9950 cossman at pseudo dot com e clo at fringedigital dot com http://www.pseudo.com w http://www.fringedigital.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 23:58:22 CEST From: "Macahan The Unifaun" Subject: controversy (Wow, what a subject! I suppose I must be the first guy ever ever to use a word or a line from the song "Elephant Talk" as a subject here...) Hi guys! The controversial, never-pausing ET contributor is back. Not that I think this shouting-thread should continue forever, but when I mentioned the ongoings on ET on the Genesis list Paperlate I got this reply that I found very amusing and wanted to share with you. It even relates to the bootlegging problem. Some people may not share my jugdment of amusement, but at least somebody statistically should, so just relax, read and laugh, or don't: >this reminds me of when a couple of workmates of mine went to see Neil > >Young a >few years ago. once they noticed a hidden mike on the guy in front of > >them, >they started yelling obsenities for the rest of the show. That's how it should be solved, mr. Fripp. Start shouting obsenities! ;) And to R Snow and Alx. Let's hope we all never meet at a concert. Or, God forbid, that we should meet together with a lot of opinion-sharing friends. That probably would have hurt the performance quite a bit... I am currently trying to picture R Snow & friends standing in one corner of the venue, and Alx, me and a lot of other ETers coming in, shouting "Elephant Talk" to each other and all over the place. Just like blind hens running around, or something, or maybe not. Then the R Snow gang sees us and starts punching the living parts out of the ET-shouters that happens to be close to anyone of them. Though R Snow promised to punch quietly, and probably would wear padded gloves, the sight of hundreds of audients starting to fight, constantly shouting "Elephant Talk" (yes, even during the H&E intro!!! and how appropriate is THAT???) would affect the percieved quality of the show and performance quite some bit both seen from the perspective of the audients and the artists. But then again, I may be wrong... And now, let's cut this thread, right? /Macahan PS. No harm intended, in case anybody was wondering... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:00:30 EDT From: "Kevin Holmes" Subject: boots, banter, bickering.... Since the Crims are now on tour, I am willing to bet that a live show will be released as a Collector's Club cd. I guess since I am a sound quality fanatic that I would only listen to a boot cd if it was perfect quality. The CC releases for the most part, especially the Belew era releases have been high quality. I would rather just be patient and wait for one of these than shell out cash for a sub par boot cd. The main issue with the whole boot discussion is that Mr. Fripp has time and time again requested that it not be done. Some bands are in favor of taping and trading, the King Crimson is not. I am not sure why anybody on this list feels the need to sneak in a portable DAT and burn the show onto CDR. Is the forthcoming live release going to differ that much from the night you sat and watched in amazement? The answer is probably not. Granted, on certain nights that are technical difficulties or somebody blurting out a song request or something silly, but the fact is these songs will be released in live form at some point in the near future. If I was going to question something regarding the Crims live show, it would be the price of tickets. The last time they toured by me a friend mentioned an average ticket was near $100. I was not really into the band at that point so I did not investigate, but if this is the truth, it is a bit steep. How much were the Nashville tix? I am still eagerly waiting for TCOL to arrive in my mail slot. At least I can jam some Thrak this evening and enjoy this constant NJ rain. Back to the land of dinosaurs(although they are drowning at this point)... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:36:50 EDT From: "MALCOLM XERXES" Subject: 10th PLANET CD TUEJUNE6/2000/16:28 ELEPHANT TALKERS, I should like to apprise everyone of the music of the very generous MISTER CHARLES JOWETT: "THE TENTH PLANET", that he made available in a recent issue of this newsletter. I hope you don't mind my saying this in public, CHARLES, but I very much enjoyed your album! It brought to mind a combination of JANSEN/BARBIERI, GARY NUMAN, & TEN SECONDS, in that the timbres and headroom and instrumentation on the albums are similar to your own. Would I be wrong to conclude that you used analogue equipment? If not, an amazing warmth was achieved, however you produced and recorded sound. I also was impressed by the stark simplicity of the cover art graphica, given that so many groups opt to cram in the same amount of information that an would be comfortably contained by an LP record jacket. "There's nothing you can do that can't be done." -JOHN LENNON Excelsior! MALCOLM XERXES (BATTERIE/PERCUSSIVES) ACTRA/BAEA/CAEA malcolmxerxes at hotmail dot com www.angelfire.com/music/a1000m ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 08:59:41 +1000 From: "Mark Hawling" Subject: Bruford - The Naked Chef? Has anyone seen the cooking show "The Naked Chef" with Jamie Oliver. The guy looks exactly like a Yes era Bill Bruford. The guy even plays drums. His recipes are very good too. Cheers, Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:27:47 +0100 From: "Simon Brader" Subject: TCoL Diary Notes Eric Matthysen wrote: >>This may be an old thread (I have been skipping much of ET lately) but can >>someone help me to find the excerpts from Robert Fripp's diary describing >>the making of TCOL? I'm sure many of you saved a copy... Any readable >>format would be welcome. I was actually hoping to find some of the diary >>entries with the CD, as Adrian did with Belewprints. My copy of TCoL has diary notes for the period in question (Oct 19th-Dec 16th 1999), along with track by track comments from Trey, Adrian and Pat. These come in a separate booklet in the style of the main CD booklet. Is this just available with the Japanese pressing (which mine is)? You could presumably get a copy for yourself by searching the DGM Diary archive for the period in question. HTH, Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:50:09 -0400 From: "GREG JONES" Subject: Pat's a great drummer/Miguel's a great poster With TCOL still growing on me, today I began noticing the more "out there" drumming on this disc. Into The Frying Pan, FracKtured, Oyster Soup and Lark's TonguesIV all have extended radical bend-the-time drumming sections where Pat is splattering bursts and volleys of wicked fills all over the place - it took me about 7 or 8 listens before I noticed this stuff, but it's damn exhilarating. I play drums and this stuff is every bit as MINDFripping as Bill's best bombast. Keep listening. By the way, hats off to Miguel Farah - you rule, my friend! That's the best post I've ever read anywhere, and the fact that a couple folks are bugged by it is even funnier! C'mon, people, laugh at yourselves! If people who were on suicide watch were allowed to read ET they'd all kill themselves! I love this list, but we DO get pretty GRIM sometimes, don't we? Miguel, what's your next topic going to be? How about the Rainforest - now that the founder of Greenpeace and another leading eco-expert have declared it 90% intact and NOWHERE NEAR IN THE DANGER we've been being told for the last decade, maybe Sting and Trudie Styler could do a benefit for public schools to raise money to replace the WORTHLESS textbooks we've been brainwashing our kids with. And to that cigarette comment : since America is the ONLY country in the world that has "found" a direct link between second hand smoke and disease ( scientific studies in many other MAJOR countries have not been conclusive - wonder why? ), I suggest that if you want to escort smokers out of KC concerts, these smokers should put their cigs out on YOU once you're outside and sample your screams for future Collector's Club releases ( if I'm ignoring your screams, does that negatively impact your performance?) - PS I don't smoke and never have, but I find self-righteous and ignorant "health" zealots to be carcinegenous to freedom, Peace and love, of course, Greg Jones ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:05:13 +1200 From: Paul Brobbel Subject: I bought IT 2 weeks ago :) I was skeptical about whether TCOL was worth buying since I have a limited supply of money and KC aren't a band that I am 100% devoted to. But I at least forced myself to have a listen to it in the store and was compelled to buy it immediately. Album of the year so far without any doubt. I play it to all my friends to show them what happens when real men are playing instruments. Too my 21 year old ears this album shines brighter than anything I've heard by bands that everyone else my age is listening to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:36:33 +0200 From: Valerie Le Goff et Mickael Vedrine Subject: Re : Krimson covering > Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 08:05:17 EDT > From: "Donnon Murray" > Subject: GIG REVIEW: Greetings from the Front Lines > > Of course the encoring with Bowie's "Heroes" was amazing. Is it me or is > the first time Crimson has covered someone else's material? It may be you, since it is not at all the first time. Ron Chrisley already answered to this post mentioning "The Creator Has A Master Plan", which looked like an unplanned cover when you read Ian Wallace notes for Summitt Studios. There also were more obvious covers from the 1969 band : Mars, composed by Holst, and the beautiful "Get Thy Bearings", written by Donovan. The double trio also covered a percussion piece by Favre, Prism, that you can hear on CC no5&6, On Broadway. Only 18 days until my first KC live experience ! Mickael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:20:08 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: Too many thoughts.... Hi there! Due to a server reconfiguration I couldn't post in the last issues. So all the following topics came together, and they are, as usual, full of QUESTIONS and silly COMMENTARIES. I) I must "second" the posts of Daniel Santo Orcero & Alexis Rondeau. Our beloved Macahan The Unifaun committed no crime by expressing his enthusiasm at the KC concert. Although this music is "serious", it doesn't mean you shall not freak out if it's being played by your favourites. This also goes out to Rick Snow: Hey enthusiasm is no crime! II) QUESTION: Once again: Could someone forward me the lyrics to 117 VALLEY DRIVE (The Bears track on AB's Coming Attractions)? It's a great tune!!! III) Brian Pinke: Yes, this IS a problem. Within my one year of listening to KC music, I collected about 80 CDs with Krim and Krim-related music. How shall I put them? Many possibilities are there: - true alphabetical order - connection order (who played on what album) - release date - style What to do with them? Well, the easiest way is separating them by Interprets. There you have the KC albums - including ProjeKcts, but then... BLUE must be a ProjeKct, too, and then.... well... And: Wetton. What to do with the Asia records? And how can I place them in the right way without ignoring Steve Howe's output? Hey, this is INDEED important - for enthusiasts who take good care of their collection and are trying to keep a good and FAIR overview. But don't be bored by that. Move on to... IV) Pascal: The Deception of the Thrush. The only way I bought it was because of the many photos inside, which do not show up in the Box. Sadly. The musical overview on the CD is not as good as it should have been. There's only one "Best of" ProjeKcts and that is the ProjeKct Box. Don't be confused. V) Drumming: Ahm... Even though Bill's parts on Absent Lovers, VROOOM, The Great Deceiver are probably the best drum parts ever been played.... I don't like the "I actually wanted to be a jazz musician" theme he represents. This reminds me of Phil Collins - who is also a great musician (read: drummer). By deciding not to record with Genesis / KC anymore, they did the best for them. The "I actually wanted to be a jazz musician" theme sounds a bit arrogant towards the work of rock musicians. You prefer to be a jazz musician, play jazz. You want to be a rock musician, play rock. You want both, do both. Hope my statement is clear. VI) Jon Anderson: Hey Jon. I always liked his music (long before I got to KC), but this is great. "You're an old fart". Well.... I saw Yes in March, and, in fact I got the feeling that Mick Hucknall was singing there, or Jesus, with ugly beard, dreaming while he was sleeping, always trying not to break down because the years have hit him so hard. Jon, Jon, Jon... "wer im Glashaus sitzt".... VII) I also made my experience when playing KC on the car radio, windows open. People point at me and make comments if I'm ok in my head. But then, people in Austria are used to guys scrolling down their windows and playing BOMM-BOMM-stomping music as loud as they can. VIII) QUESTION: Ian McDonald: Well, there is a link to a Foreigner page on ET. Where can I find a page devoted to Ian himself? IX) Going home now. Three days ago I ordered David Cross CDs from Noisy, they arrived today. Now, that's service! Cheers Markus PS. David Cohen: Smoking is no crime. I don't feel guilty for it. And I am aware of non smokers and non smoking signs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:22:26 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?RGFnIFN3YW72?= Subject: Mc Culloch He played with a band called "Fields" after K.C. A sort of "secondrate" E.L.P with just drums, bas,keys and vocals, it's pretty good. I have seen it on CD but only on "hard-to-get-import". Since we are talking about him i must say that i think he's pretty awful. "Cirkus" sounds so much better with Ian Wallence. Ian made songs like "Ladies of the road" sound like they were recorded yesterday while Mc Culloch's playing is so dated. But don't get me wrong: "Lizard" rules, i just wish the drums were a little bit less loose. Full credtis to Wallence my fav drummer in K.C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:19:51 +0200 From: "Girard, Serge [JanBe Extern]" Subject: Mexico City 1996 Hi all ETers, Would there be an ETer kind enough to burn the Mexico City concert from BootlegTV onto a CD for me? I'll pay for the blank CD, your time, and packaging etc. I suppose there's no problem with this, since the Mexico City concert is free on the BootlegTV site. Private email, please, at girards at realsoftware dot be ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:46:04 +0400 From: "/IAAEIEO eAIOIEAEEE" Subject: The ConstruKction of Light I want to thank all the ETers who have answered my questions about Groon and ProzaKc and sent me the lyrics. Now I have another list of questions about the names used by Belew. I live in Russia and some American realities are not common to me. So what (who) is: 1. Graham (cracker) 2. Y2 (cake) 3. Tim McVeigh 4. Kevorkian 5. Columbine 6. Rodney King 7. O.J. Please answer on my private E-mail. By the way, "B happy" in "The World's My Oyster..." means "be happy"? Vladimir Kalnitsky vlad_kalnitsky at mail dot ru ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 11:50:41 GMT From: "The Zep" Subject: tcol The Construcktion of light is just another chapter in the Book of Saturday, But Hey, You do not have to choose. I have listened to King Crimson since the release of their first album, and hey! every release was something different, special and in search of a new direction! This is a group (and has always been) of musicians looking to challenge any known convention in rock music! so give tcol its due, let it take its rightful place in KC history ! and lets move on! -Michael Fratangelo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:18:17 -0400 From: "Charles E Jowett" Subject: Re: THE TENTH PLANET >The CD, TENTH PLANET by C.Jowett and TENTH PLANET,makes me want for the >days of free form radio. How many other awesome recordings and groups are >out there? So we hear bye, bye ,bye on the radio hourly. Why? TENTH PLANET >CD is exceptional!Very creative and a distinctive sound! It upsets me that >bands like this and TEN SECONDS,get very little air. In Pittsburgh... Are there any college radio stations in your area? In the few places I have lived in the N.E. USA there is generally at least one or two good college radio stations that play a large range of interesting music. I've even heard Larks Tongue on the radio... My Tenth Planet recordings have recieved some airplay on a college radio station in New Jersey...I think that the DJ is an ET list member. I do not send CD's to radio stations. Most stations are bombarded with CD's from unknown groups and I would rather send a CD to someone who will listen to it. BTW, free copies of my latest CD are still available. Info at: http://www.mp3.com/the10planet http://members.tripod.com/~the10planet Charles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:34:58 -0400 From: "Thompson T. Terry, Jr." Subject: proper audience etiquette Hi gang, I have to jump in on this thread. To those who jumped all over Macahan for his outburst: y'all need a little ProzaKc to smooth out your edges. I went to see Tony Levin and his band of merry music makers in Philly (PA, USA) a few weeks ago. The venue was a fairly small place (the TLA, for those familiar with it). Jerry Marotta chose to share with us, the audience, that he'd recently decided to quit smoking. Not smoking was giving him the shakes. So later during the show, a member of the audience called out: "Hey, Jerry, got a light?" Most people, including all of the band members found this funny. It helped strengthen the bond between the performers and the audience. I found them all very personable. We were all clicking anyway without the added humor. The moment reminded us we were all human. I ask you: is an action by one audient, such as Macahan related, so disruptive that you'd wish to harm that other person? A scrip for Prozac really could help you. What if an audient claps too enthusiastically and ruins your experience? What if that audient determines you _weren't_ clapping enthusiastically enough and were thus detracting from everyone's experience? You know, Macahan could just as easily have called out for "Freebird," and really thrown a wrench in the works. BTW, Tony, Jerry and the rest of the band (Jesse Gress and Larry Fast) put on an excellent show. Go see them if they're anywhere close by, for me well worth the 4 hour drive. be well, TTT =============================== Thompson Terry mailto:tterry at palisade dot com http://www.palisade.com =============================== "Vision without Action is a daydream; Action without Vision is a nightmare." - Japanese proverb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:16:09 +0200 From: "Schilling, Hartmut" Subject: GIG REVIEW: KC Bonn (Germany) Concert June 6th, 2000 Hi all, I think it was the fourth time I saw KC in concert, the first time almost 30 years ago. To the Bonn concert yesterday, I invited my daughter, of course not knowing how she would react to hear such a kind of music. In general, she listens to all that (mostly terrible) stuff you hear in the radio day by day. So this was a kind of an experiment. I gave her a KC CD before so she could prepare herself a little. The location of the concert was good on the one side, because there was a tent-like construction keeping the audience dry (Germany is very rainy these days). However, it had a big disadvantage: the acoustics was terrible. There were bass resonance effects which "smeared" the lower frequencies a lot - the sound was like being caught in a cage. The last KC concert I had heard was the one in Dortmund two years ago or so. It was a great performance showing the 6 KC artists playing at their best. Bonn was different. KC has new material which is very interesting and which is performed very well, sometimes enriched by improvisations. However, the music is more, well, complicated and not so emotional like many older KC tunes. But maybe you only have to get used to it... The Band played very well, they were in a good mood, and there was a very good communication between the group members, which of course is essential for a good performance. What impressed me especially was the "Deception of the thrush" from P3. On the CD you miss a lot because you do not see how the artists work together, you maybe do not understand the structure and the intention of the piece so easily. But seeing it, well, that really was KC 2000! The set list was, I think, identical to the one in Copenhagen on May 28th. The concert lasted for approximately 1 hour and 50 min. There were a lot of people (more than in Dortmund), at least 1000, I think, there were young people (1X) and old ones (5X) likewise. So it had to be something special they had come for, right? There is a long discussion in this forum about the V-drums. I remember Bill Bruford in the beginning of the seventies working with a tremendous quantity of conventional drums. You could see and hear what he did, the sound was clear, seeing him play was really exciting. The V-drums look like toys and - for my feeling - they produce sometimes more noise than real drums. Maybe it was due to the in general very bad acoustics. Moreover, sometimes I had the feeling that the sound mixing was not at its optimum: seeing PM playing and hearing nothing was strange to me. PM himself was really great, he really is a hell of a drummer and he tried to get out the best of his equipment - could it be that he was too god for his equipment? RF was like we know him. He played very forcefully and it was a pleasure to look at him. TG suffered a little because of the bad acoustics, he (and PM) was the solid basement of the band (I have just received TG's latest CD - very interesting). And Adrian, he was the soul of the performace, he was the promotor of the evening, he is just fantastic. So it was KC at its best! And my daughter? She felt that she saw something that was "different". She would like to visit another KC concert ("next time we should take mother with us") - and even recognized a few of the KC tunes I played in the car while driving home. A great evening. A good performance. An excellent group. My congratulations! Go on like this! Best wishes, Hartmut ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #689 ********************************