Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #670 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 670 Monday, 15 May 2000 Today's Topics: NEWS: Tony Levin Band/Tony Geballe in Baltimore next Sat GIG BIZ: Copenhagen tickets for sale Excellent debut release by Gerd Weyhing Construkction of Light is awesome TCoL review Is it over now ? Bruford/Levin with David Torn in 1987 TCoL RE: gizmo New release and the new tour! Nashville Gigs, Where's The Feedback? Re: For the Uninitiated DGM History Savoy, 1981 Sustainer or not? Sustain re::TCOL : I hate to bring up the subject of percussion, but.. re: The End is Nigh replies ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:06:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam Levin Subject: NEWS: Tony Levin Band/Tony Geballe in Baltimore next Sat Orion Sound Studios 2903 Whittington Ave Baltimore, Maryland Saturday, May 20th, 2000 7PM and 10pm Bassist Tony Levin whose work with artists such as King Crimson, Peter Gabriel, John Lennon, Pink Floyd, Yes, Paul Simon and countless others will reunite with his Peter Gabriel bandmates Jerry Marotta (drums/percussion) and Larry Fast (keyboards) along with Jesse Gress (guitar) for two performances on the night of Saturday May 20th at Orion Studios in Baltimore featuring material from his new Narada Records release "Waters of Eden" Opening the show will be guitarist Tony Geballe whose credits include work with Robert Fripp & the League of Crafty Guitarists, the Trey Gunn Band, Toyah, the New York Indonesian Gamelan, Dostlar and since 1993, Composer-in-Residence to New York's Arden Party Theater Company. Tony will feature material from his DGM release "Native of the Rain" highlighting his extraordinary 12 string acoustic guitar work. Admission: All remaning tickets (approx 70 per show at this point) will be available on show night for $23 apiece. Doors open at 6:30 and 9:30. These are all ages shows. ======================================================================== OTHER INFO: Point your favorite web browser to The Progressive Rock Web Site at http://www.progrock.net/ -Adam --- "...if one strives at hearing for the sake of constant virtue, out of seeking liberation from cyclic existence, gradually one becomes a Hearer." - Chandrakirti T h e D a r k A e t h e r P r o j e c t http://www.darkaether.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:12:08 +0300 From: "Petri Lahtinen" Subject: GIG BIZ: Copenhagen tickets for sale Hi, all... We have two tickets for sale to the King Crimson concert at Copenhagen 28.5.2000, Amager Bio. If there are any finnish Crimson fans reading this, contact us! But of course anyone who's interested to get these tickets, e-mail us on the address below jmk at nag dot fi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 00:48:02 +0200 From: "Sal Pichireddu" Subject: Excellent debut release by Gerd Weyhing Dear friends of Elephant Talk, let me take the opportunity to introduce you to the work of a young Fripp/ Guitar Craft - trained guitarist, the young German Gerd Weyhing , who recently has released his solo-debut "The Inside World/ Soundscapes III". "The Inside World" credits Europa String Choir's Markus Reuter (together with Gerd Weyhing and the internet) as main source the sounds that are used in this production. An album of electronic music, a Soundscapes album, is always an adventure for the listener, because either the music remains unheard, or it lets one travel a wondrous journey. A wondrous journey to the internal world, that "Inside World" that Weyhing presents here (his own "Inside World") or, speaking with with his own words: "music, always changing between despair and salvation" and even more: "The Inside World" is also a key to oneself, to one's own despair, own salvation, own emotions. This music is like a poem that each listener can write, shall write, if he finds the courage to do so. Weyhings Soundscapes sound quite mature and amazingly non-standard (the sub-title "Soundscapes III" indicates previously recorded music, yet unreleased). His Soundscapes flicker, pulsate, are sometimes sharp-edged and restless. They always find a calm point, but soon one gets carried away to other sights on this journey. The album consists of 18 tracks which are connected closely in their structure, building an almost dramatic structure, increasing the tension continuously to the climax. Then it is left to the point of view of each listener whether the end of this journey has been reached or will continue some other time. "The Inside World" is a wonderful album, in the literal sense, an album full of wonders, of miracles, full of (apparent) analogies between Weyhing's music and one's own emotions. Sure, there's no guarantee when it comes to in music (if there was, it would become startlingly predictable and calculable): "The Inside World" is, just because of its individuality, an album without a guaranteed success. In the end, only the listener can accept the invitation of this music. Anyway, Weyhing is a name which one should remember, not only as a friend of Soundscapes. And, oh BTW - "The Inside World" comes with a terrific cover art. Check http://www.schrottland.de, Weyhings' Homepage, contains also material of his band "Brightness Falls" or * http://www.mp3.com/weyhing (Weyhings page at MP3.com) * http://www.mp3.com/brightfall (Brightness Falls page at MP3.com) Sal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:35:30 -0500 From: Dmitry Litvintsev Subject: Construkction of Light is awesome Hi Folks, I've been listening to Construkction of Light already for the 3rd hour (realaudio). Great stuff. Reminds me of Red or Starless and Bible Black somehow. Since I don't have any info about the disk I've got a question. Who is singing on the first track (Prozakc Blues)? [ And so a new FAQ is born. It's Adrian Belew, his voice digitally processed. Adrian commented on this himself in a recent on-line chat (www.canoe.ca/cgi-bin/hchat/hchat?Room=adrianBelew) -- Toby ] regards Dmitry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:26:47 CEST From: "Macahan The Unifaun" Subject: TCoL review Hi! First, I'm curious about whether any ETers have found any rave reviews for TCoL in (non-biased) papers, magazines or anything. Second, I found a review in the Swedish newspaper DN (12 May, "Pa Stan", p 8), that had some quite funny remarks. Freely translated: "I don't know if Robert Fripp worries to much that his band should sell too much, however he does his best to avoid it. [...] When he [note: he] now after five years wating releases a completely new album with King Crimson he opens it with pure perversity, a tune so ugly and repulsive you wonder if the purpose is to scare away novises that have asked for a test listening in the record store. [... ProzaKc blues is ] tightly hardswinging in a way that constantly trips the listener up. [...] Otherwise TCoL is a quite typical record [???]. Harder than most of the KC albums, with little space for ABs fine Beatles pop. Centered around RFs unique riffworld of odd measures and little minimalist displacements. Hard rock for nuclear physics, kind of. Unlike most of the last five years uncountable releases, this is a record well worth checking up, but hardly any of KCs greatest. The predecessor Thrak both challanged and surprised more." /Macahan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:29:22 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?RGFnIFN3YW72?= Subject: Is it over now ? The new album TCOL is a great disappointment. When you try to much to be original and avoiding sounding like anybody else you'll end up ripping yourself off. No matter how much V-drums, new tunings and Fripps ideas you use the only question relevant is: is it good or bad. I'm sorry to say that this is bad. We heard it all before on Crimson records. Fripp is like rice: you must mix it with something. I don't hear anything of Belews "melodicpop influenc" and i don't hear a rythmsection that is exciting. I just hear a Fripp that's been relying on Fripp for too long. I hope the material grows on stage for i'm off for Copenhagen on the 27:th. Shame, shame, shame Dag Swano Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:16:13 +0200 From: "armjacq" Subject: Bruford/Levin with David Torn in 1987 Does anybody have a Videotape fromthe "Clouds about Mercury"-Tour in 1987? I remember they played at a Jazzfestivalin Frankfurt/Germany which was broadcastet by the WDR-TV. Responses to armjacq at worldonline dot nl Hello to all KC & BB freaks from armin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 22:35:23 +0200 From: "DI MARTINO" Subject: TCoL Terrible and horrible drums ! So heavy , plain , boring and very little crimso' ! brdimar at tin dot it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:45:28 -0700 From: Mitch Goldman Subject: RE: gizmo john says: > Ah, but was this a Gizmo, the device with spinning wheels > that physically > bowed the strings like a violin? It was developed by Godley > and Creme in > the 1970s (so there might have been a very very dusty one > knocking around > in 1989) and used on their own records (and some of the 10cc > records as > well, I think). Only one: 1976's excellent HOW DARE YOU. Creme and Godley left after this record, specifically to market and develop the Gizmo. > In fact they did a bizarre triple album primarily to > promote it. 1978's CONSEQUENCES, which i still have on vinyl (an early "boxed set"). Some great tunes, some bizarre story dialogue with the late Peter Cook. Not nearly as good as subsequent Creme/Godley records like the fantastic L and FREEZE FRAME. MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:36:10 +0100 From: Henrik Irgens Subject: New release and the new tour! Dear Crims all over! Bought the new album and like many of you, I read, I am a frac(tion)Ktured dissapointed, well, I like it, but them ****ing drums... "Thrack" is a masterpiece, productionwise, soundwise, materialwise, compared to this record, I truly hope they play some old stuff at the concerts in Copenhagen in two weeks time. Anyway, does anyone know if there's gonna be any London gigs, Fripp talks about dates not confirmed for Japan in October or something like that, but what about London or at least Los UK. Regards etc. P.s. they have to get the world's top bassplayer & drummer back in the band. Henrik irgens at perjesi dot demon dot co dot uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:58:15 -0500 From: Stephen Drake Subject: Nashville Gigs, Where's The Feedback? >Hello & Greetings fellow Crimson people...Unlike so many others, I did >not get to attend these heavenly musical experiences (sobb...). I've >been watching ET the past couple of editons for some reviews from the >lucky ones that were in attendance. So, other than Robert & Adrian's >Guitars, Where's the feeback? Please, just a crumb, a mere giblet of >ecstatic pleasure! I Know It Was Great!!! C'mon!....Love you all...Ric. ?(Mincer) The Nashville gigs ain't happened yet. My ticket is for the 21st. May, that is. Never trust a man in a blue trench coat Never drive a car when you're dead..........Tom Waits Stephen Drake dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot dot Sduck at Bellsouth dot net Cellist, playing and teaching........................ Homepage...http://members.aol.com/sddrake/s-drake.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 03:18:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Darryl Subject: Re: For the Uninitiated If I were to make a mix tape for someone unfamiliar with KC it would go like this: "21st Century Schizoid Man"(IN THE COURT...), "Cat Food"(IN THE WAKE...), "Easy Money"(LARK'S TONGUES...), "Lament"(STARLESS...), "One More Red Nightmare"(RED), "Frame By Frame"(DISCIPLINE), "Heartbeat"(BEAT) and "Dinosaur"(THRAK). If they don't like King Crimson after hearing those songs, then they NEVER will. Or possibly tape the entire releases of IN THE COURT..., RED or DISCIPLINE. I have thought about making a series of mixed-tapes for KC just for myself, but I'm still short a couple releases and will wait until I get TCOL. I have already made tapes for Pink Floyd(1-5) and the Beatles(1-3) for myself. My friends seemed to like the way I put those bands' best songs in chronological order. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 12:14:55 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: DGM History Hi fellow freaks! A few questions about DGM. Maybe someone can give me answers. 1) What was the first step into action (origin of DGM, first release, first particular announcement etc.)? 2) Is RF definitely the owner of the company? Thanks alot Markus Alexander Gnad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 11:26:34 -0400 From: "Mark Stansbery" Subject: Savoy, 1981 I tried to send this by private email & it was returned, so I dare invade the newsletter. Thanks to Bill Cormier for supplying us with Fripp's comments on the mystery tune from the '82 tour. Bill also mentioned the 1981 Savoy performances as being a highlight of his KC listening. He also wondered if a tape might exist of those performances. There is at least one in circulation which was recorded in NYC in the fall of 1981 and is said to be from 11/7/81 at the Savoy. It is an audience tape in front of a very enthusiastic crowd. Whether or not it could be used as a club release, I can't say. One more thing while I'm hear. Thanks again to Bill Kent for the continuing adventures of Norbert Fragg, always a treat! Mark Stansbery ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:36:11 -0400 From: Rich Williams Subject: Sustainer or not? >Ignacio Gomez wrote: >While I can't deny the validity of the data regarding the Fernandes >sustainer, I'd like to mention that in 1989, when I bought my e-bow, the >guitar shop offered me an e-bow like device (off the shelf, not custom >made) that would go installed in the guitar. > >While I don't remember the brand (I thought it was Fernandes, guess not), I >remember the year, 1989, and the fact that this was in Madrid Spain, where >we get guitar (and other type of) innovations much later than people in USA >or UK (I assume most of you guys reside in the USA, like I do now). Some >food for thought? > Hmmmm. Sounds like you are referring to the Gizmotron, developed by Lol Creme and Kevin Godley of 10cc fame. It bolted over the bridge and used small rotating nylon wheels to "bow" the strings. Not very many were made, and I haven't seen one in a store for over 20 years. The Gizmo equipped guitar can still be heard though on Godley & Creme's Consequences, L , and Freeze Frame discs, and on Phil Manzanera's Listen Now & K-Scope discs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:51:30 -0400 From: Rich Williams Subject: Sustain "John Spokus" wrote; > First on the reoccurring and now becoming boring contraversey about >whether Fripp used an e-bow, and of course his current use of the Fernandes >Sustainer; I would imagine on those 70's records in question that that >sustain was achieved by playing through a tube amp, quite loudly and >probably sitting fairly close to it as well. The one time I got close enough to see RF's set up was with the league of gents in 79, And although what John says is generally true, at that time Fripp was playing through a clean amp (A Roland I think), and what he called his frippleboard, which was a collection of 3 or 4 stomp-box type effects mounted together on a plank. One of the boxes was a fuzz-tone that, I believe, was custom built for him, but at any rate, that was the box, that when switched on, generated that classic Fripp sustain sound we all know and love. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:13:47 -0500 From: "Grant Colburn" Subject: re::TCOL : I hate to bring up the subject of percussion, but.. (God, I hate posts like this!) > .... aren't the Drums on TCOL absolutely horrible? No.... >It may have worked in an improvised, exploratory context on the >ProjeKCts, but when it comes to a >structured studio set there is a large and gaping hole in the >percussion dept that is plain for all to see . Again, no..... >Definitely a case of BB making his absence felt ! Its "definitely" NOTHING but your opinion there, bub. The only case you make its that there is a possibility that the electronic drums make the absence of acoustic drums felt (which in itself is debatable) The use of electronic drums have nothing to do with Bill Bruford one way or the other. Chances are if the whole album was recorded with Bruford playing 100% electronic drums you wouldn't have liked that either. Don't assume your opinions are those of the rest of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:28:03 -0500 From: "Grant Colburn" Subject: re: The End is Nigh replies >As orginator of the thread, I think I'm entitled to come back. >Okay, expectation can lead to disappointment. But, Mr Fripp has >been >guilty of raising expectations this time in empty audients like me >through the online diary and that riduculous online interview. Oooh, BAD Fripp..... bad bad bad! You are an individual with individual tastes. I LIKED the interview and I LIKE the disk, so let's assume your experiences are your own and quit with the attempts for sympathy for your views, ok? > I understand the business end of things demands some puff for >product, but the music should rule. Fripp has not , in the past, been >afraid to tour new music before putting it to vinyl. And this statement means or implies what? >Talent - sure. But, talent does not always equate with good music I feel fer ya man, but not that much.... >My problem, and yep it's my problem, is that the new material is >self-indulgent. directionless and muddy. Yup, its your problem.... >Prozack Blues is surely some >awful joke. That's my opinion and I'll stick to it and I think I can >express that opinion in an open forum. Of course you can. And my opinion doesn't agree. Personally, I'm much happier in the end because for me I DID get a new Crimson album I enjoy. Just LUCKY I guess! >Some of the ProjeKcts work was remarkable. I saw >Fripp, Belew and Gunn in D.C. and thought they created fine textured, >contemplative and interweaving music in the European free tradition >though it was slightly marred by those awful v-drums. Opinions......opinions.....opinions...... >My point is/was that there is great music amongst the current KC >members, but it ain't on this CD. Crimson should move on, as will my >tastes in and appreciation of good music. Boy, how did they make that disk without your opinion? I feel for ya man! (well, maybe.......) Like I said, I guess I'm just lucky and enjoying the disk. Better luck next time, eh? ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #670 ********************************