Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #662 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 662 Saturday, 29 April 2000 Today's Topics: NEWS: Listening to "The Construction of Light" NEWS: book on RF now available online for free Collector's Club crybabies TCOL - Thanks, Crimson More about Mike Keneally Soundscapes Bitch Bitch..confused? A nice little story Re: Mute on Stage EBow == Fripp in a box re:frame by frame box in New Orleans on stage/off stage KCCC CD price KCCC pricings Rhapsodizing Bohemian Waiting Man tony levin-waters of eden!!! Compact and Abbreviated Crimsons TCOL TCOL - an observation by me Nashville meeting page Help Finding a Rare Robert Fripp Disk Keneally & Vai Questions about keys and time-signatures King crimson tour 2000 Amy X Neuburg & MEN go LA LA fripp album 1993 / release page robert fripp release 1993 / great deceiver ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:31:05 -0400 From: "Louis Sormany" Subject: NEWS: Listening to "The Construction of Light" Hi everybody, Just to recall you, if you've missed it, that you can listen to "The Construction of Light" in Real Audio on Internet. You've just to go to this address: http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/news/tcol.html I've just listened to it for the first time: Interesting, even if the quality of the sound in Real Audio is so so and if there are too much interruptions... My first impressions from that audition: - "ProzaKc Blues" is very strange: never before, K C had played blues. Belew's voice is very special! But, for the music, it's real K C: when I hear it, I think to "Sex Sleep Eat Drink Dreams". - "The Construction of Light": I'll have to listen to it again and in a better sound format to really appreciate it. - "Into the Frying Pan": Cacophonic, but cacophony from K C is always interesting even if I have difficulties with the vocals. - "FraKctured": a master piece directly in the line of "Fracture" with electronic sound. - "Oyster Soup": a song in the line of the cd "Thrack". I like it very much. - "Lark's Tongues in Aspic IV": In the line of "Lark's III" and of "Vrooom" in the beginning, then it reminds to me "Lark's II". All that with new and interesting variations and with a louder sound! Like all the preceeding tracks on this theme, it's a very very good piece. - "Coda: I Have a Dream": I had listened to the acoustic version of that song and I had liked it. This version is also excellent. - "Heaven and Earth" (Bonus track): better than what I've heard from the other ProjeKcts. Music seems less louder on that track than on the rest of the cd. I hope that this bonus track will appear on the cds sold out of Japan. In one word, a cd that I'll buy as soon as it will be on the market in May. Louis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:41:44 -0400 From: Christopher Carl Heckman Subject: NEWS: book on RF now available online for free For what it's worth, I have converted this file from Word to TeX, Donald Knuth's mathematical typesetting language. It is online in gzipped tape archive format (good for Unix), and it can be found at http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gt7934b/Fripp.tar.gz Christopher Heckman, checkman at math dot gatech dot edu Internet: http://www.math.gatech.edu/~checkman/ What can be done when an important fact is lost in a flood of impostors, and the voice of truth becomes drowned out in an ungodly din? When that voice, though freely resounding, cannot be heard, because the technologies of information have led to a situation in which one can receive best the message of him who shouts the loudest, even when the most falsely? -- Stanislaw Lem, 1968 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 18:20:31 EDT From: Scour12345 at aol dot com Subject: Collector's Club crybabies To anyone out there who continues to whine about the Collector's Club and its so-called "high prices": Get over it, damn it! The Collector's Club is for serious KC fans. To us, the $96 fee for 6 CD's worth of live archive material is damn well worth it! If the prices are too high for you then either get a 2nd job, or don't join and shut the hell up! Apparently, you must not be a serious, devoted King Crimson fan, or else you wouldn't be bitching and moaning about it. I happen to think the K.C. Collector's Club is an excellent deal, and I for one am very pleased with the club so far. So stop wasting space on the Elephant Talk newsletters and either join the club or don't! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:29:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Wasser Subject: TCOL - Thanks, Crimson How kind and thoughtful of Fripp and Friends to allow us fans to hear the seven tracks, prior to release. Thanks, DGM! Unfortunately, I found the tracks a bit disappointing, although there were flashes of brilliance at times. Maybe I wasn't in the mood, but I found the tunes a bit boring. Nevertheless, I will certainly buy it on May 23rd. My question: what happened to Belew Jay Way? If you know, please let me know. Is it that I miss Bruford? Dan in Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA crimsonkng at mail dot com ********************************************* iWon.com www.iwon.com why wouldn't you? ********************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:47:38 US/Eastern From: bigtop at voicenet dot com Subject: More about Mike Keneally Mike has had quite a good solo career since Zappa's 1988 band broke up. He's released...let me think...at least seven solo albums, an album with Prairie Prince, Henry Kaiser and Andy West (The Mistakes), etc. Mike is a huge KC fan. I've actually seen him play an unrehearsed version of "The Sheltering Sky" at a clinic. I encourage *everybody* to go to his website at www.keneally.com and check out his work. Quite spectacular. And he's a hell of a nice guy. By the way, if anybody is interested, I have a recording of the above "Sheltering Sky" performance, as well as a tape of Mike doing Soundscapes with RF. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:03:00 -0500 From: Todd Madson Subject: Soundscapes When Fripp opened for the G3 show here in Minneapolis, I had found out (though this forum actually) that he started early. So I dragged my friends along, told them not to expect Fripp to play wailing solos but rather to do something very different than they might expect. When we got there, it was about 85 degrees in the shade and we were ready to cool down. Northrup auditorium was about 25 degrees cooler, with the lights down it was actually very pleasant. Fripp had just started playing and the combination of the dark coolness of the auditorium, as well as the smooth quiet of the soundscapes made for a very pleasant experience. It seemed that many audience members "got it", there was no shouting of "Lark's" or somesuch. Some of the soundscaping I heard that afternoon was some of the nicest I'd heard yet. Fripp occasionally got up, drank a glass of water and listened to the scapes from various points on the stage. Eventually Mike Keneally (and an off-stage Stu Hamm) joined him for some guitar and bass additions respectively. Keneally played inspired lead lines along with the soundscaping. Stu added a supportive, slow bubbling bass line for one particular scape. It was almost like a slow dance piece. I hope some of these pieces were recorded as they were rather good. At the end, Fripp signaled that people should applaud Mr. Keneally and also tried to get Stu to walk out on-stage, but he firmly stayed offstage. Applause was definetely generated. At the conclusion, it was Fripp by himself and he played a particularly dark and eerie scape. He concluded the piece and left then his equipment was quickly broken down by the roadies. Then Kenny Wayne Shepard arrived and the difference between the soundscapes and Shepard's blues music had to encompass light centuries. It would have been nice to have an entire evening of 'scaping in an environment like that (that particular theater has excellent sound). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:59:57 -0400 From: Bob Pascarella Subject: Bitch Bitch..confused? This post is very confusing. What does it pertain to? Bob P. It's just music, people! There are so many opinions in any open forum - refreshingly - like so many noisy voices at a loud, crowded party with booze - regrettably. (You know, those guys you complain about on the way home?...) Lighten up. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:02:24 -0400 From: "Eric / Susan Young" Subject: A nice little story Hi ETers! This is a little odd, perhaps, but anyone interested in reading a very interesting little story ( and a very true one ) regarding my correspondence with Robert Fripp, please email me privately. I'll not bore everyone with it now as it may take up you time and screen unnecessarily; but it is the most interesting thing that has probably ever happened to me! 'Just something I'd like to share with anyone interested, that's all. Please don't think me arrogant, friends. CRIM - ON!! Eric eyoung at ezol dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:22:11 EDT From: "Dave Lane" Subject: Re: Mute on Stage Steve Smith wrote: >Geez, does that mean that "Indoor Games," "Happy Family," and "Bolero - The >Peacock's Tale" were performed live at some point? >I'd part with real money to hear at least the first two of those, and I'd >have to admit that it wouldn't entirely surprise me if they were included >in one or another early show by the Boz band. You can part with real money and pick up the Epitaph box, which has two improvs containing brief embryonic versions of "Happy Family". --Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:31:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim McCabe Subject: EBow == Fripp in a box Last night I bought an "EBow", a magnetic device which is kind of like a handheld version of Brook's "infinite guitar". It allows endless sustain, and provides a bow-like sound that, at times, sounds exactly like a cello. Anyway, after only a few seconds playing with it, I found it increasingly difficult to NOT sound like Fripp. His single-string sliding effects, the swelling harmonic sounds, even the more ambient pure tones are all easily acheived with this little thing. Now the challenge will be to figure out a way to sound like myself and not like Fripp. I've always wondered how some of the tones on "Damage" were produced live, and even if he didn't use the EBow, some of those tricky effects can definately be created with it. One that has always eluded me for years is the way he could land on a note and then the note would smoothly morph into a feedback/harmonic sound. It sounded so perfect, and I was never able to accomplish it with feedback. I thought maybe he was using some kind of octave/volume combo pedal. But it's effortless with the Ebow. -- Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:05:23 -0500 From: "William L. Howell" Subject: re:frame by frame box in New Orleans Thanks to the reader who informed other readers of the F by F box set at the Virgin in New Orleans. I had been searching for it and finally acquired it that evening. See you at the May 19th show. -Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:09:22 -0700 From: Robert Cervero Subject: on stage/off stage At the risk of dragging this matter on, a number of folks have asked about my list of Crimson tunes that were never played on stage. There happens to be a number of tunes performed live that have never made it to bootlegs but have circulated among tape traders over the years. In response to M. Dickson's query as to whether these were ever played live: "Peace'" Peace was played many times throughout the fall 1973 tour. "What about the songs on side one? I don't hear any versions of 'Prelude' (!), 'The Letters' or 'Islands', although I confess that I haven't hard many bootlegs from that particular era." S. Smith similarly asked about parts of Islands. All these were played by the Boz/Collins-era band, during the September-October 1971 tour. Islands, for example, was played at Bournemouth Winter Gardens on October 15, 1971. There's at least one abbreviated performance of Bolero. There are several taped shows with Indoor Games & Lady of the Dancing Water were covered (I'm less certain about Happy Family -- this I'd need to check out). Obviously, this period would be a good candidate for a Collector's Club release. Particularly noteworthy from the 1971 period is the performance of ITCOTCK at the May 29, 1971 Sheffield City Hall show and the 12-bar blues rendition of ITCOTCK at the November 12, 1971 Detroit East Town Theater. Now to further stir things up, what about the opposite direction -- what songs (besides improvs/ jams/other instrumentals) have been played on stage but never made it to studio-released vinyl/CD (of course, many latter got released on boots and through the collector's club)? How about: (1) "Trees", "Get Thy Bearings", "Mantra", "Travel Weary Capricorn" (missed out on ITCOTCK) (Note: "Drop In" latter got re-packaged and released as "The Letters"; same thing with "A Man, A City" latter released as Pictures of a City; "Mars" as "Devil's Triangle"; also, "Nola" & "Etude # 7" played at Hyde Park and Marquee Club in July, 1969 but missed ITCOTCK, though both are instrumental standards); (2) Doctor Diamond (unfortunately, missed out on Starless and Bible Black) (3) The Creator Has a Master Plan (as we know, this 1972 gem missed out on Islands) (3a) (Manhattan from the Discipline era, but got re-leased as Neurotica on Beat) (4) Free as a Bird (sung by Belew during fall 1995 tour) Any others? By the way, those interested in the recent bootleg releases of Hyde Park, 1969 -- a recent chat with Ian McDonald, to whom I shipped off a copy of the show, confirmed this it's an authentic recording. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:39:58 -0500 From: MRussell at deltacg dot com Subject: KCCC CD price In ET #661, Ron Chrisley points out that "it is supply and demand which are determining the CC prices . . . the point of supply and demand reasoning is to eliminate talk of fairness. If one can maximize profits by charging $100 for a CD, then . . . one should do so. That doesn't mean one is therefore being "fair", or "unfair" if one charges more or less than $100 -- only "fiscally prudent" if you charge $100, or "fiscally stupid" if you charge more or less. Talk of supply and demand is precisely to remove talk of "fair" or "unfair" prices. The question then arises: is it a good idea to remove ethics from discussions of pricing in this manner?" If I go into the local Virgin megastore to buy a CD, the amount of money that leaves my pocket is determined by the taxation policies of the City of New York, the State of New York, the retail outlet's expenses and profit margin, the distributor's expenses/profit margin, the record label's expenses/profit margin, the cost of materials supplied by vendors (pressing/printing/etc.) and the artist. If I purchase the same CD from DGM, the amount of money that leaves my pocket is determined by the cost of materials supplied by vendors and the artist. It seems to me that the latter transaction is more "fair" than the former, in that I am compensating the artist and the vendors the artist has selected for the sound recording and presentation that I desire at a price that meets my means. In the former transaction, I am indirectly asked to compensate a vast number of middlemen who do not declare their presence, and who add nothing to the sound recording that I value. Given this state of affairs, I would consider paying RF/KC/DGM $20. for a CD fair and ethical inasmuch as it is clear what I am paying for and what I am getting, but I would consider $15. given to Virgin/EMI/Tax Commission/RF/KC/DGM unrepresentative of what I wish to support, unfair, unethical, and abusive. It also strikes me that there is nothing wrong or unethical in voluntarily paying a perceived "high" price for an item. There are a host of items generally accepted as "valuable" that I would not pay anything for (baseball season tickets, for example). I do not think there is anything unethical in paying dearly for baseball season tickets, and I have friends who cherish their tickets at almost any price. I respect their choice, even if I do not share their enthusiasm. I did not give a moment's thought to the cost securing a ticket to see and hear King Crimson at the Savoy in 1981, and I'm glad I didn't; speech fails to express what that show meant to me. This Fall, I hope to have the privilege of supporting my favorite artists again, fairly, and ethically. Michael Russell mrussell at deltacg dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:13:36 +1200 From: David Maclennan Subject: KCCC pricings Before this becomes a dead thread.... FYI, Here in New Zealand the Collector's Club releases work out at a whopping NZ$49 per disc! This in a country where the average disc retails for NZ$34 or thereabouts ("imports" around $39, sometimes more). So they are very pricey. The problem is caused mainly by the lousy exchange rate here (currently around US49c to the NZ dollar, the worst it's been in many years). Next year I might ask DGM if they'd consider a surface mail option for overseas members, but somehow doubt it would make it much cheaper. David Maclennan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 19:19:22 -0700 From: Herb Subject: Rhapsodizing Bohemian Waiting Man > I came across a sound sample fellow ETers might be interested in. As has > been mentioned in this forum, the band Amy X Neuberg & Men covered KC's > "Waiting Man." I had never heard this band before, and their cover is so > off the wall it defies easy description. So you may want to check it out > yourself. The Real Audio link is on this page: > > http://www.racerrecords.com/AlbumDesc1019.html If you'd like to hear an early mix of the entire song, you can find it on the KC tribute at Elephant Tape: http://members.xoom.com/etape/kctrib/index.html The song is on the band's newest CD, Sports! Chips! Booty!, available at http://www.racerrecords.com/OrderForm.html - Herb -- Herb Heinz herb at isproductions dot com For info on Herb's CD, "Failure": http://www.isproductions.com/herb/failure.shtml - For mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/herb For info on the new CD from Amy X Neuburg & Men, "Sports! Chips! Booty!": http://www.isproductions.com/amy/band.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 22:24:43 -0700 From: Raul Reyes Subject: tony levin-waters of eden!!! I recieved this awesome cd today.Dont expect it to sound like crimson music!Hes got a totally different sound than anything hes put out thus far.I highly recommend it to any tony levin fan.Hes got a great band behind him!.......Larry fast,Steve Gorn,Jerry morotta,David torn ,the california trio(on 1 track)David sancious,Jeff pevar,even Pete levin.I understand that he will tour with this band.No vocals on this cd,which is ok whith me:)Tower records online came through for me,i really thought they were going to backorder this......bye for now crimson pals :) Raul Reyes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 10:11:03 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: Compact and Abbreviated Crimsons Hi, folks: I got the following note from my Caroline sales rep a few days ago. Some of you may be interested in these King Crimson compilations soon to go out of print. >Virgin UK have asked that all territories stop manufacturing the following >two King Crimson titles and place them out-of-print once stocks are >depleted: > >"The Compact King Crimson" CD EG 68 >(This was the original King Crimson best of package. "The Concise King >Crimson" CD with all the tracks having been remastered was meant to replace >it, however we have kept "Compact" in print for the purists and collectors >all this time as it has a different track listing and totally different >artwork to "Concise") >units currently in stock: 165 > > >"The Abbreviated King Crimson" CD CAR 1467 >This mini album features 6 selections from the now out-of-print King Crimson >"Essential" box set. A few of the tracks on this CD are actually special >edits only available on this CD plus the medley of King Crimson's hits is >not available anywhere else. >units currently in stock: 591 > >Make those calls quickly to your retailers who do well with King Crimson as >these are the last we will ever see of these titles! I don't believe I've actually ever sold any of those. I think most Crimson fans tend to snap up all the official releases and so tend to have little use for such compilations. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 877-856-1158, 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 INDEPENDENT PROGRESSIVE MUSIC!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:07:13 -0400 From: "Timothy W Cox" Subject: TCOL O.K. , its about 1:49 AM and I just finished listening to the new album (TCOL) through the DGM webring. I don't know what exactly to say. At first listen I am both amazed and let down. The playing is phenomenal in respects to ALL members of the band. Larks and Frakture are just cooking heaps of pure fire bomb madness. But these are revamped pieces which have proven their merit in original form. The construcktion of light is perhaps one of the most interesting compositions that I've heard. Unfortunately, (and this just my opinion) the album on the whole is a victim of technology, which is exactly what I have been hoping Krim would avoid. All the beats, polyrythms, and soundscapes are getting old and some of the music just beats you over the head in such an ugly, thrashing, and repetitive fashion as did Thrak. I did like thrak but to listen to it frequently could give even a deaf human an aching head. I truly miss some of the beauty and emotional effects that straight acoustic/electric instruments bring forth. Belew has certainly outdone himself in respects to interesting lyrical arrangements, but some of the subject material seems inappropriate for the music. His instrumental playing is superb as always. Gunn is playing some crazy stuff all over the album and Pat has earned his spot (as if it was ever in question in my mind) behind the drum kit. Still the music just doesn't "feel" as did some of the previous incarnations of the crimson history. I hope this isn't in response to the current worldly atmosphere and I suspect it more the result of technology influencing the ideas of advancement. It is important to note that the music was heard through real audio and it certainly didn't allow a true representation of the album. In conclusion, this is certainly crimson material worthy of all ears, but certainly not as moving as some older material whether in reference to 70's or 80's and I don't desire it to sound like the older pieces but do desire the music to carry the power and emotional qualities that have made fans of us all. Perhaps what is expected by the fan is not necessarily useful to the artist. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:32:02 +0300 From: J Soderholm Subject: TCOL - an observation by me Hlo, Just listening to the album over the 'net. This is a great feeling I'm getting, full of energy and vitality. This is really the King. Here are my first thoughts, written while hearing the music for the very first time: What's this? - His Majesty has regained the sense of humour and fun that was so evident on Discipline. I've been wondering where it's gone since then, but here it is again (at least on ProzaKc Blues & Into The Frying Pan). Echoes of P2 & P4 are everywhere. TCOL - I don't know. The vocal part's fabbo to the max, but I can't really say anything meaningful about the rest of it right now. I'm listening to FraKctured right now. This is some excellent Guitar Craft/Vroom/Fracture-tasting mix, especially have to comment on the great work of Trey on this piece. And, well, I'd like to say something about Robert's playing, but I really can't. All that comes out is: "Eh, uh, hmmemhhh, YESSS! BEAST!", and that I say in the manner of Beavis & Butthead, with right hand raised in the international heavy metal salute, head furiously moshing. Pleasure, power, piano, panic, percussion - Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum. What *is* this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:28:22 -0400 From: Dave & Racquel Subject: Nashville meeting page (Thought I'd run this one more time before the Nashville Shows. I hope no one minds....over 800 hits so far!) I've set up a very simple page at http://www.midnightmecca.com/vbpro/crimso/index.html It's in a guestbook-like format, set up for Crimsos going to Nashville that want to find others needing or having spare tix/hotel space to swap/sell/share. Please visit and sign in, whether you're looking for spare tix/rooms or not. Thanx Dave (BTW, I have mine already =o) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:54:57 -0400 From: "Savill, Robert" Subject: Help Finding a Rare Robert Fripp Disk I am trying to track down a Robert Fripp disk that was available in the mid-1990s by mailing back a postcard that was handed out at concerts (at least in Philadelphia); the cost at the time was $4.00. Could you point me in the right direction? Thanks, Rob ------------------------------ Date: 28 Apr 00 15:27:24 EDT From: James Dusewicz Subject: Keneally & Vai On ZAPPA's UNIVERSE, the 1992 Zappa tribute CD(yes, there are others), Keneally was the lead guitar man for the night. The CD and concert ends with Keneally, Vai, and Dweezil each coping a solo on "Dirty Love". This CD is a must have for FZ fans. Obligatory KC content: Does anybody know if the new KC CD is online for pre-order? jim campaigner at usa dot net James Dusewicz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:33:50 -0400 (EDT) From: darryl weppler Subject: Questions about keys and time-signatures Hi there. I was just wondering a) what is the most used time-signatures in King Crimson's songs, and b) what are the most used keys used in writing King Crimson's music. To the question of what songs have never been performed live in concert, although I do not have access to any bootleg tapes, I cannot possibly see "The Devil's Triangle"(from IN THE WAKE OF POSEIDON) being performed live. I don't remember anyone mentioning it, but if someone did...sorry for being forgettful. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:08:06 +1000 From: Nick Kent Subject: King crimson tour 2000 Hi, Could you please give me an e-mail address or phone &fax number to get the information (when the tickets go on sale and how to buy them) for the three King Crimson concerts in Italy. I know this isn't really your domain but Im desperate to get to the concert when I'm in Italy and I can't find an email site in Elephant talk that is any use apart from the venues and dates of the concerts. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:42:49 -0700 From: Herb Subject: Amy X Neuburg & MEN go LA LA Oh, and... AMY X NEUBURG & MEN bring their irreverent electronic avant-cabaret art-rock (and wildly weird wendition of Waiting Man) to LA LA Land! Tues May 2: AL'S BAR -- 305 South Hewitt St., downtown LA. (213) 626-7213. 9:30 pm. Free admission. With Artichoke at 10:30 and Selby Tigers at 11:30. Wed May 3: BAKED POTATO -- 6266-1/2 Sunset Blvd., Hollywood. (323) 461-6400 10:00 pm. $5 with flyer or printout of this email, $6 without. With Blue & Holding at 8 and B-Nut Orchestra at 9. Thurs May 4: LUSH -- 2020 Wilshire Blvd., Santa Monica. (310) 829-1933. 11:00 pm. $5 cover. With Divan at 9, Starr at 10, and Otherwise at 12. La la la la la la la. Print out this email to get a whole buck off the Baked Potato show! -- Herb Heinz herb at isproductions dot com For info on Herb's CD, "Failure": http://www.isproductions.com/herb/failure.shtml - For mp3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/herb For info on the new CD from Amy X Neuburg & Men, "Sports! Chips! Booty!": http://www.isproductions.com/amy/band.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:39:29 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: fripp album 1993 / release page hi there! 1) a friend of mine who has been working in a cd shop recently told me that back in 1993 a fripp solo recording was released. description: brown coloured cover, fripp standing in front with black clothing, holding his guitar like a trophy from a safari trip. music: fripp plays one hour strange acoustic harmonies. anybody knows which album this could be? 2) construKction of the release pages on elephant talk: from time to time an update appears. but if i open the release pages i find nothing. would it be possible to mark those albums which have been updated? freakout! markus alexander gnad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:56:35 +0200 From: Gnad Markus Subject: robert fripp release 1993 / great deceiver sorry - i just clicked on release pages of robert fripp and found the acoustic album. a cause of misinformation - it's the first guitar craft record. once again, sorry. but far more interesting: recently i bought the great deceiver in its original version through an austrian internet shop (www.lion.cc). it costs 100 ats (a few dollars). THE 1993 RELEASE!!!!! sorry for those who missed it - it seems there was only one item left. but to the contents: yesterday i went through the titles. craze. it seems the great deceiver is far more "dark and forboding" (using the et posters beloved phrase) than the projeKcts. and this without the use of 90's electronics. i always thought the projeKcts were kc's maximum output. but again, this leads to the opinion i posted last time that kc isn't kc. this is another band. but it's a great band then. and, john wetton really sounds exhausted throughout the whole recordings. he didn't in asia. don't know who came up with this question last time, but i think that it must be exhausting to sing louder than fripps guitar and brufords demonic drums. and satans violin evidently. i've never been at a kc concert. yet i can imagine that they are VERY loud. am i right? yours markus alexander gnad ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #662 ********************************