Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #655 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 655 Wednesday, 12 April 2000 Today's Topics: NEWS: Fripp on UK BBC Radio 2, 13 April NEWS: CGT/T-Lev Concert Webcast Event! KC related news Lizard,_Poseidon,_Islands,_KC_in_Mexico Flute sheet music? Re: KC tabs Re: Fragg Witless commentary on PG1 Frippy Bluesy-stuff Re: Gatefolds and Sid re: attack on culture Re: Nobody knows the answer to that trivia question? Earthbound/New Gatefolds/Nobody knows.../Lizard Guitar on "Prince Rupert" & "Book of Saturdays"...Is it possibly? World Domination Great Deceiver High Priced? The Great Deceiver Box Set ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:25:09 From: Toby Howard Subject: NEWS: Fripp on UK BBC Radio 2, 13 April Thanks to ET reader James Beard, for alerting us to a new interview with Robert Fripp, due to air on Richard Allinson's BBC Radio 2 show (10.30 - 12pm), Thursday 13 April. James is not 100% sure that this will happen, but... Cheers Toby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:32:46 -0600 From: Jon Lybrook Subject: NEWS: CGT/T-Lev Concert Webcast Event! WHO: California Guitar Trio, Tony Levin, and Bill Janssen WHAT: FREE, LIVE, Internet Broadcast Concert Event and Interview! WHEN: Saturday, April 22, 1999 - 8:15 PM Pacific Time (11:15 PM EDT) WHERE: The Historic Boulder Theater, Boulder Colorado Webcast info and system test links listed below The Webcast is scheduled to be a bandwidth-friendly 20k stream using either Windows Media Player OR RealPlayer. You will also be able to choose between an HTML or Java client. No non-standard downloads besides either of these players are required to participate! Worldstream Communications (http://www.worldstream.com) and KGNU, Boulder Community Radio, (http://www.kgnu.org/kgnulive.ram) are sponsoring the event. The webcast will be beamed LIVE from the historic Boulder Theater in downtown Boulder, Colorado on April 22nd at 8:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time. The performance will be followed by a special program by KGNU Community Radio on the history of Guitar Craft from its inception with Robert Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists to the California Guitar Trio. The evening will also include a live interview and a chance for on-line participants to talk to the CGT, Tony, and Bill who will field questions and share their thoughts on Guitar Craft, their current tour, and the release of their new albums. Now, here are the links you'll want to have handy: Webcast link for the night of the performance: http://events.worldstream.com/login/login.cfm?showtimeid=504518494 System Test - be sure to test ahead of time!: http://events.worldstream.com/login/wizardfull.cfm CGT Yamanashi News Page for late breaking info: http://www.cgtrio.com/yamanews.htm Also, for fabulous, complete, and Free MP3 and RealAudio tracks from "Rocks the West", please visit the California Guitar Trio Website at http://www.cgtrio.com/rocks.htm. Current tour schedule is below. If you're not able to see the CGT and Tony Levin perform in your town, but sure to catch the webcast! Best wishes, Jon CGT Web ~^*~^*^~*^~*^~*^~^*~^*~^~*~^*^*~ Tony Levin and The California Guitar Trio - April/ May tour schedule April 2000 11 Tue Milwaukee, WI 8pm - Shank Hall 1434 N. Farwell Ave (414) 276-4545 $18/$20 12 Wed Chicago, IL 9pm - Martyr's 3855 N. Lincoln (312) 559-1212 $15 13 Thu Ferndale, MI 8pm - The Magic Bag 22920 Woodward Ave (248) 544-1991 $20/$23 14 Fri Pittsburgh, PA 9pm - Frick Fine Arts Auditorium Shenley Drive 412-648-7814 $15/$18 15 Sat Baltimore, MD 8pm - Orion Sound Studio 2903 Whittington Ave Tickets: (510) 594-1400 $17.50/$20 16 Sun Charlotte, NC 8pm - Double Door 218 East Charlotte (703) 376-1446 $15 17 Mon Atlanta, GA 10:30pm - Variety Playhouse 1099 Euclid Ave. (404) 521-1786 $15/$17.50 18 Tue off 19 Wed Lawrence, KS 10pm - The Jazzhaus 926 1/2 Mass (785) 749-3320 $10 20 Thu off 21 Fri Breckenridge, CO Time TBA - The Underworld 111 S. Main St. (970) 453-2881 $15 22 + Sat Boulder, CO 9pm - Boulder Theater Featuring Bill Janssen on Saxophone! 2032 14th St. (303) 786-7030 Special Event Webcast URL: http://events.worldstream.com/login/login.cfm?showtimeid=504518494 24 Mon Park City, UT 8pm - Harry O's Main Street Advanced tix at Orion's Music (435) 649-1850 $15/$18 DOS 25 Tue Salt Lake City, UT 7:30pm - The Sanctuary at First Presbyterian Church S. Temple and C Street Tickets available at Graywhale CDs (801) 583-9626 $15/$18 DOS 26 Wed Off 27 Thu Eugene, OR 8:30pm - WOW Hall 291 W 8th (541) 687-2746 $15 28 Fri Portland, OR Cobalt 29 Sat Seattle, WA King Cat Theater adv. Tickets call Ticketmaster (206)628-0888 30 Sun OFF May 2000 1 * Mon San Francisco Great American Music Hall-tentative TBA 2 Tue San Rafael, CA New Georges 842 Fourth St. venue: 415-457-8424 TBA 3 * Wed Redwood City, CA Foresters Hall- tentative TBA 4 * Thu Hollywood, CA House of Blues- tentative TBA 5 * Fri Hollywood, CA TBA TBA 6 * Sat Los Angeles, CA TBA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:25:09 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: KC related news Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Meanwhile, here a few excerpts for Crimson fans: On our Discipline page you'll find the following new and forthcoming releases: Jacob Heringman/Black Cow - This important new release by the highly respected lute player, Jacob Heringman, is the first in a planned series for DGM. Consisting mainly of works by the great 16th Transylvanian lutenist and composer, Valentin Bakfark, interspersed with Polish dances by his Prussian contemporary, Matthaus Waissel. Bakfark was one of the most important lutenist-composers of his time and this pioneering new release is a rare opportunity to hear his music after centuries of neglect. Full of variety, contrasting moods and breathtaking virtuosity, this CD shows that lute music has the power to move a modern audience as much as it could a renaissance one. King Crimson/In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard and Islands - Well, you all know about these and the situation on availability in general. I managed to get a big stock of them myself before they ran out and so still have them. Its seems, though, that the story may not be over yet! Due to the unexpected high demand for these, DGM has been lobbying their Virgin rep to put out more of the limited edition special packaging and it seems their lobbying may be bearing fruit (YEAH DGM!!!). As soon as I have solid info on this, I'll pass it along. soundbite soundbite soundbite The Trey Gunn Band/The Joy of Molybdenum - Third solo album from the King Crimson touch guitarist and recent collaborator with John Paul Jones and many other artists. The Joy of Molybdenum is a record born out of ongoing work with the Trey Gunn Band; a core three piece comprising Trey on 8, 10 and 12 string touch guitars, Tony Geballe on electric and acoustic guitars and Bob Muller on a wild assortment of percussion and drums. Recorded on analogue tape and mixed by David Bottrill, the extreme hybrids found on this record defy most observations. Power grooves, stretches of beautiful landscapes, tightly composed pieces, earth shaking primal drumming overlayed with transparent textures, highly refined melodies - all these and more touch on the wonderful sounds herein. soundbite Now out on our Papabear Records page Bruford Levin Upper Extremities/BLUE Nights - Having recorded the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities CD, the band toured Japan and the U.S. recording all their shows. As you would expect from these musicians, the live shows featured not only compositions from the album, extended for live play, but wild improvs, jams that turned into pieces, and compositions that turned into jams. Far too many good pieces to squeeze into one CD, so it had to be a double. If that's not enough, there's a bonus track - a remix by engineer SplatterCell using elements of the live playing in an unusual juxtaposition with techno remixing - perfect for this band. The CD booklet contains Tony Levin's web road diaries (and photos) from the tour, as well as some audience photos. soundbite We have an exciting new release on our Outer Music page , Meridiem/Full Catastrophe - Meridiem is the brainchild of California based singer/songwriter Percy Howard, a protoge of producer/bassist Bill Laswell. This album features Howard's emotive vocals and expressive lyrics supported by a stellar band of guitarist Vernon Reid (Living Color), Trey Gunn (King Crimson), Warr guitar, and drummer Charles Hayward (Quiet Sun, Phil Manazanera, Brian Eno, etc.). "Full Catastrophe" is the third album from Meridiem, and features a volcanic mix of lyrical progressive rock, improvised jazz and moody ambient music. "Full Catastrophe" is a mix of both dynamic studio songs and explosive live tracks recorded during the group's recent US tour. The opening track "187" shows off the group's heavy rockin' side, while "Shaft In Oslo" brings a funk element to the mix opening space for guitarist Reid's explosive guitar work. The album then seques into the live segment capturing the trademark qualities that set this ensemble apart from the field: impulsive creativity, superior improvisational skills, and extreme musicianship within a song structured format. Progressive music for the new millenium. soundbite There are a few new releases on our Voiceprint page including the following: Centipede/Septober Energy - Centipede's Septober Energy was recorded in 1971 featuring an enormous jazz orchestra led by pianist/composer Keith Tippet, and which included many luminaries from the progressive and Canterbury scenes of the time. Among the 50+ orchestra members were Robert Wyatt, Ian McDonald, Julie Tippett, Elton Dean, Karl Jenkins, Nick Evans, John Marshall, Gary Windo, Ian Carr, Mark Charig, Boz, Roy Babbington, Brian Godding, Zoot Money, Jeff Clyne,Wilf Gibson and many more with Robert Fripp handling production. Septober Energy is a classic that has long been in demand for a CD reissue by progressive fans. It is one massive work in four movements spread over a double album and covers a wide variety of styles. A must have for any progressive fan's collection!!! soundbite Ovary Lodge/Ovary Lodge - For over twenty years Keith Tippett has been at the forefront of contemporary European Jazz and new music as a solo pianist, composer, bandleader, band member and musical educator. This recording was originally released in 1973 and followed Tippet's critically acclaimed Centipede project, which featured leading members of the English Jazz and Rock scene of the early '70's. Ovary Lodge is a totally improvised recording, featuring Keith Tippett on piano and zither. Roy Babbington is on Bass and Frank Perry on percussion. Production is by Robert Fripp. soundbite Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:36:45 -0600 From: "Raul Ortiz" Subject: Lizard,_Poseidon,_Islands,_KC_in_Mexico Hi from Mexico I thought, I missed the gatefold edition, but I found them in artist-shop.com, with a suitable price than amazon.co.uk. So, ET'ers what we are expecting, let's get them. Another issue is that I read that many enthusiasts missed or had problems with KC Mexico concert download, I succeed in this, so for those who really want it, maybe I can help. I know what if feels when you missed something you really want. Post me at raulo at webtelmex dot net dot mx Viva Mexico Raul Ortiz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:55:03 +0200 From: Yossi Kolesnicov Subject: Flute sheet music? I was looking for some KC flute sheet music notation, but couldn't find any. Maybe you could assist me? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:05:32 EDT From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Re: KC tabs In ET #654 Johnnyroman asked: > this may be a question answered somewhere else, (I've already looked > through the faq) but I wanted to know how to post tab for elephant talk's > tab section. I want to fill in alot of the missing "holes" in the exsisting > tabs. Any response would be appreciated. Mike, Just send them to webmaster at elephant-talk dot com (that would be me). I've been pretty bad about getting a number of tabs that have been sent to me on the site (sorry folks - let's just say I've been reeeaaaaal busy!), but I'll try to catch up on my ET Web workload in the coming weeks. Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Art Cohen Subject: Re: Fragg > Is there any way that Mr. Kent could just send an address where > interested people could access his material, instead of posting > the actual material on ET? Only if you do the same for your posts. --Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:34:46 -0700 (PDT) From: sean hewitt Subject: Witless commentary on PG1 First up, it's definitely Steve Hunter on Waiting For The Big One, not RF and not Sid McGinnis. Sid McGinnis didn't join the PG band until the second 1977 tour - ages after the first album was recorded - so it couldn't possibly be him. He isn't even on PG1. A couple of ETs ago, somebody said the producer who didn't like Fripp's playing was Steve Lilywhite. This is also completely inaccurate. Lilywhite produced the THIRD album THREE YEARS LATER. The first album was produced by Bob Ezrin (who really didn't like Fripp's work). Most of the above doesn't require any "inside" knowledge, just the ability to read record sleeves. I'm amazed that such posts are ever written. Fripp plays no electric guitar solos on the first album and didn't ven want his name on the sleeve. Finally, according to a sounds article written by Barbara Charone during the recording of the album in 1976, Fripp did get drunk and play blues guitar during the sessions. (I think Gabriel said they got him drunk and that RF kept sating "F***in' brilliant!" while he was playing) But, if I remember correctly, these takes were not used as Fripp's request. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:52:05 +0100 From: "phill lister" Subject: Frippy Bluesy-stuff Liked the apocryphal story about having to get Robert drunk to play the blues! Nonsense, of course. The nearest I can remember to any bluesy playing is on Eno's "Baby's On Fire" off "Here Come The Warm Jets", where the solo has some demented blues phrasing about it. You can fake a Fripp-Soundalike early Crimso solo using a pentatonic minor scale (often heard in Da Bluuz, as we know) as long as you hold some notes, throw in some flurries, and do some wide interval jumping. But Mr. Fripp's playing seems to be rooted somewhere else than the blues which many of his contemporaries were using as a basis for their styles. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:22:56 -0400 From: Michael Townsend Subject: Re: Gatefolds and Sid >"Martin Crawford" wrote: >Subject: The New Gatefolds > >Given the size of the gatefolds, how does >one correctly remove twigs and seeds from a stash? It's impossible to do >without nasty accidents. Was this intended by DGM or just an oversight ? Bingo! "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." writes: >Subject: PG's Other guitarist > >The other guitarist PG had on hand was Sid McGinniss, who is now best >known for playing in the house band of David Letterman's TV show. I had >always thought it was Sid who played that solo, as it didn't seem very >much like Fripp's style. But then again, who knows? Sid did play it live, in the touring band for PGII in '78 -- Sid with cigarette hanging out of his mouth, Larry Fast on synths, Levin and Marotta and who was that sax player? >dads at me dot freei dot net PO Box 4722 Portland ME 04112-4722 USA< dad's new slacks in realaudio: fridays @ midnight http://wmpg.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Edgar Kausel Subject: re: attack on culture On ET issue 641, Dom Peruso said: "Let us continue our attack on culture." John Wetton Mmmm... I think the author was actually Robert Fripp. I don't know, may be Wetton said it too, but Fripp used to introduce a powerful song with those words, back in 1971-74. Edgar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:08:36 EDT From: Biffyshrew at aol dot com Subject: Re: Nobody knows the answer to that trivia question? Dan B. wrote: >I'm surprised that nobody answered my trivia question a few digests >back. (I'm sure that Michael 'Biff'son knows the answer but is being >kind enuf to the rest not to answer.) Anyway, the question was: what >'70s album features guest appearances by two Islands-era K.C'ers along >with Eric Clapton & Charlie Watts? Hmm! What an (ahem) Irregular Combination of musicians. Your pal, Biffy the Elephant Shrew ...download some stuff at http://www.mp3.com/michaelpdawson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:47:45 PDT From: "Michel Champagne" Subject: Earthbound/New Gatefolds/Nobody knows.../Lizard >It's a shame really , that almost every year Fripp changes his mind >about releasing or not releasing of "Earthbound". As I see it, the RF quote from the THRAK tour program predated the conception of the King Crimson (nee DGM) Collector's Club by at least two years, maybe three, and the output from the Mel-Boz-Ian KC now available through the club may as well be called Earthbound 2 AND Earthbound 3. Of course, I may be a bit more complacent than most since I've got the original "Earthbound" on vinyl... ====================================================================== >Given the size of the gatefolds, how does one correctly remove twigs and >seeds from a stash? It sounds like it's time for you to move up to the higher priced spread . . . and be aware that Uncle Bob is as 'square' as they come when it comes to "trendy chemical amusement aids" as Frank Zappa used to call them. As I'm always a potential player in the wee-wee lottery at work, I can't offer any personal suggestions for your dilemma... Speaking of the new remasters, my copy of Islands drops out on the left channel with a fair amount of static at 0.13 into "Formentera Lady" Has anyone else encountered this? ====================================================================== >There, that should give it away to everybody (or at least those familiar >with '70s stuff). A great record with great songs on it. Could it be the orchestral "Tommy" originally on Ode Records...? ====================================================================== >...the other instrumental & non-instrumental components that went into >making this album [Lizard] such an original, timeless and unique piece of >work... Very well put. A pity this band blew apart before able to tour, which WAS planned...I have always enjoyed Gordon Haskell's voice, so much so that I really can't listen to the "Cadence and Cascade" versions w/Boz and Ade, and I DO enjoy their vocals elsewhere. GH has a number of solo releases available that, while *absolutely* NOTHING like ANY incarnation of KC, do spotlight his voice very well. And I must agree: I think Andy McCulloch may have truly been "the one that got away". And Mel Collins is just brilliant as well...but beyond the players involved (and that includes all the session players that are just as integral to the LP), the end result is so striking that it blows me away every time I sit down to listen to it. Robert is certainly entitled to his opinion, but Lizard is the KC album that started me off so many moons ago. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:44:26 -0500 (CDT) From: TheMincer at webtv dot net (Ric Wilson) Subject: Guitar on "Prince Rupert" & "Book of Saturdays"...Is it possibly? Hello to all fellow Talkers,you know, "It's only Talk!...Burble,Banter,etc... Per the question posed on Robert's effects on "Prince Rupert Awakes",& "Book Of Saturdays"(God, I love that track!) , I'm not a Guitar Crafty by any means, only a dabbler. But could it be a precursor to a technique pioneered by the Venal One along with Brian Eno, called "SkySaw Guitar"? It involves the Fripp Pedal Board, & two Revox A77 Reel to Reel tape decks operating in-sequence,as to create a "Echoplex" mutated type effect. I enjoy this set up on Fripp & Eno's efforts such as "No Pussyfooting". I'm really not sure what the Raging Heartless one has used to achieve these effects,the spectrum of tricks is so vast. Basically, his talent and ingenuity give him the capabilities to create effects most of will never know! (Sigh...) Just a wild guess, from a 29 year Crimson & Fripp Lover...Ric W. (Crimsonite Eternal) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:46:07 EDT From: Willit1946 at aol dot com Subject: World Domination From Ian Wallace to all the people who wrote the many recent complimentary postings in the Newsletters and the DGM Guestbook. When I first encountered ET, I was surfing the `net looking for info relating to a biography I'd started to write. This was about three years ago and up until the release of the Summit cd, I would say that 97% of the things that I read about our particular incarnation were derogatory to say the least. So it feels good to finally be appreciated. I've kept a copy of all the nice letters which amounted to over thirty pages and there are a few things from the letters that I would like to address. When Robert first asked me to write the liner notes for the album, I had a deadline of only a few days. The cd he gave me to listen to had no information on it at all, and I sat and wrote the notes while listening to it. So, to Steve Smith who was baffled that I seem to believe that "The Creator Has A Master Plan" was something we invented and could have been developed--of course it was Pharoah Sanders and Leon Thomas, Leon Thomas being one of Boz's favorite singers at that time. I did write in the liner notes "Is he making up the words or is it from somewhere else? I don't remember." Now, of course in hindsight I do remember, but it was 28 years ago and I probably haven't listened to that particular Pharoah Sanders track since then and Fripp mentioned nothing to me about my notes except to say that he really liked them. However, I still think it could have made a great King Crimson song. To Carlos Schroder, who wrote about the tarantella being Italian, what I wrote in the notes was that it was written around a Spanish guitar piece that Robert showed me, meaning that it was a piece played on a Spanish guitar that was made in Spain not a Southern Italian guitar, of which I've never heard. Sorry, I should have made it clearer. Do you know of any Southern Italian guitars, how do they compare? Just kidding. Can't get anything past you lot, can we? And yes, a tarantella does come from Italy. I looked it up. To the people who wrote about the absence of mellotrons, I only noticed halfway through that they weren't there. I really don't know why they weren't. I do remember during that particular tour, they weren't used on at least one gig because the fluctuations in the power supply were creating havoc with the tuning. Maybe this was the case, I don't know. When I originally started looking at ET in 1997, the first thing I read was a review of Islands. I was mortified to say the least by the opinion of the person who said that we were "out of our depth, so much so that Robert used orchestral pieces to flesh out the album and that later, after the band's demise, replaced us with better musicians." Nothing could be further from the truth. Now people are hearing the new, improved mix of Islands, can they realize that we were more than capable of playing the music and that the orchestral pieces were part of the overall concept of the album. Also, we weren't replaced, we left of our own accord. In one of the older newsletters, someone said that I was no Bill Bruford. It's true, I'm not. I am Ian Wallace, and no dispespect intended, but if I had to be compared to anyone I'm much happier to be likened to Elvin Jones or Art Blakey as Dan Buxbaum so flatteringly said. Recently, someone said in a letter, that Mike Giles was the best Crimson drummer and had the best technique. When a musician gets to a certain point, there is no such thing as "the best." I think musicians should be taken on their own merits and not be compared to one another at all. It's like saying that Mozart was better than Beethoven, or Bach better than Sibelius, or Keats better than Wordsworth, or Shelley better than Jack Handy. Bill is Bill, Mike is Mike, Pat is Pat and I am Napoleon. So let's stop these inane comparisons. The person who wrote to Adrian and myself regarding the faceless critics at ET put it best, "the closest comparison is to out of shape wannabes at the sports bar criticizing Tiger Woods for his choice of club." Having said that, the remarks made by Phil T. who said he thought I had the best pocket of all the KC drummers and Dan Shapiro and all the others who said such complimentary things about my playing.....Thank You. This only encourages me to work at my craft even harder. I'm genuinely touched. In closing, I want to thank you all again for such kind words. It's good to know people finally realize that this band did swing. And I'm not so afraid to read the ET newletters any more! Yours, most sincerely, Ian Wallace ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:02:39 EDT From: Hocow at aol dot com Subject: Great Deceiver High Priced? Howdy, I have to echo the sentiments of R. Snow regarding the price of Great Deceiver. If you price it by weight it is ridiculously overpriced. Four pieces of shiny plastic and a tall skinny sepia paperback in a cardboard box. $70 is an outrage. But........when you put it in your cd player what comes out is magic. It is one of my prized possessions. I was able to dicker down a sizable discount when I bought mine a few years back from the manager of a chain store who was tired of looking at it. Without hearing it, I might never have taken the leap. But with knowing what is in there, I would gladly plunk down the $70 dollar admission price. The improvs are terrific and, for the most part, different from the ones otherwise released. The band stretches out on the written material to the point where each different performance is a must have. Make no mistake, Krimjunkies, you must have this cd. To paraphrase the Exorcist, "The power of Fripp commands you. The power of Fripp commands you." Later, Brad Wilmot ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 00 14:51:53 EDT From: James Dusewicz Subject: The Great Deceiver Box Set I for one would have to agree with Rick Snow. Yes the fetish packaging for The Great deceiver Box Set, as the packaging for Frame By Frame had me wanting to buy both of them, even before I got a CD player! Fortunately, when I did get a CD player in 1995, they both were in print! So, one of the first CD box set purchases I ever made was The Great Deceiver Box Set. Even then I had a peculiar feeling that it was going to be out of print very soon. Uncanny that that feeling proved to be right. Being in love with the LTIA--USA version of KC, it took no time at all for me to savor the discs. It is a purchase I never regretted. jim campaigner at usa dot net James Dusewicz ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #655 ********************************