Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #648 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 648 Tuesday, 21 March 2000 Today's Topics: NEWS: I Have A Dream - Release Date King Crimson Vinyl Celebration of the lizard Mac MEXICO CIY Download "Cigarettes and Ice Cream." Japan? Theremin exhibit Tony Levin's "Waters of Eden" Cigarettes & Ice Cream To all Macs, re: Mexico KC and KC related releases Summit again Tamm's pic Cigarettes and Icecream Re: all this and all of that (P1 titles) Cigarettes, Icecream..correction Collector's Club Question Taping & Starless KC Paris TV; IA on KC Percy Howard and Trey Gunn A Sighting Nashville meeting page Cigarettes, Ice Cream - P1 song titles - KCCC9 Summitt Studios Bibliographic assist please (young person's guide) Islands remastered edn. ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.7b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 22:55:28 -0600 From: "Rob Murphree" Subject: NEWS: I Have A Dream - Release Date Hello Everyone, The Mp3 of "I Have A Dream" will be released in it's entirety on Thursday, March 23rd, 2000 @ 12am CST exclusively on The Official Adrian Belew WWW Site. http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew I welcome each and every one of you to visit the Adrian Belew Web Site, read the latest update from Adrian, download the 1.04MB Mp3, and then share your thoughts with others on the Adrian Belew Bulletin Board, Elephant Talk and any other forum out there. The file will remain online indefinitely so if you're unable to download it during the first 2 or 3 days, be patient and keep trying. Rob Murphree The Official Adrian Belew WWW Site Your Complete Guide to the Twang Bar Rhino King! http://www.murple.com/adrianbelew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:40:22 -0800 From: studio seventeen productions Subject: King Crimson Vinyl Just in case anyone is interested, I just put two Polydor Deluxe import LPs ("Lizard" and "Starless") both gatefold British imports, in excellent condition, up for auction on ebay. Please search www. ebay.com for seller id ambient17 cheers, dave at studio seventeen http://listen.to/ambience/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:56:23 -0500 From: "Louis Sormany" Subject: Celebration of the lizard In ET # 646, John Spokus writes: "I agree somewhat with the gentleman who suggested that Academy Of Music show as a possible release; it's a fine show that I think most Crimso fans would love ,but I think I have a better show from that era sound wise. I recently acquired a Cd-r entitled 'Celebration Of The Lizard' recorded on that same tour at The Boston Tea Party that is truly an amazing show and unbelievable quality for an audience recording. I enjoyed this more and think the fidelity is superior over Jacksonville or anything else I've heard from this period. I enjoyed Jacksonville, but there is a lot of overload distortion. John in Baltimore, MD" Just a word to say that, having heard the two bootlegs cds, I agree with John that "Celebration of the Lizard" is better than "The Academy Show" (CD intitled "Cirkus" - The concert is from New-York, on 24/11/71), particularly for the quality of sound. Louis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 05:07:34 PST From: "alexis rondeau" Subject: Mac MEXICO CIY Download I, to get this awfull noise problem whwn i try to play the Mexico City download on my mac. The music just plays for two seconds and then stops, and play for two seconds and then stops... until i go mad and turn it of. The same thing hapend trying to play another Windows Media File that had nothing to do with KC. I beleve this is a comon problem among mac users so if somebody could find a solution to this, he'd be my hero for the week. Alx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:23:50 +0700 From: "T. Ismail Reza" Subject: "Cigarettes and Ice Cream." Umm; if the aforementioned song "Cigarettes and Ice Cream." are done by King Crimson, I think that the song supposed to be called " Great Deceiver"; from the "Starless & Bible Black" album. I don't know wheter there IS "Cigarettes and Ice Cream" ( e.g. an alternate take or some kind of song-that-not-included-in-album such as Groon or Dr. Diamond-) so maybe the statement above are my best guess- ^_^ salam sakral! The Schizoid One Reza! np___Van der Graaf Generator; "Arrow" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:42:34 -0500 From: Adam Aronson Subject: Japan? So, how does one order a CD from Japan and have it arrive quickly and safely? Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:18:13 -0500 From: "Joseph A. Popp" Subject: Theremin exhibit There is a really great exhibit at the ERIE ART MUSEUM. It includes various stages of synthesizer development from the Theremin to the DX7. Very interesting stuff in the show including an ancient Theremin Cello, several Theremins (including one that is set up for anyone to play), various Moog synthesizers, a Roland Guitar Synthesizer, and some other stuff. There are also a bunch of great framed images of old synths and schematics. There is even a picture of Cary Grant playing a Theremin. This is truely worth seeing. Sorry I didn't get this out in time for you all to make the Robert Moog lecture which took place last night (Saturday March 18). It was amazing. There is also a Theremin concert today (Sunday19) at Mercyhurst College, here in Erie. However there is time for you to see the exhibit. I will send another letter later telling the exact dates of the exhibit, but it just opened yesterday, so it will probably be up for a month or two. Search ERIE ART MUSEUM for further details...I think it's www.erieartmuseum.org the location is... ERIE ART MUSEUM 411 State Street Erie, PA 16501 (814) 459-5477 If you come to the show, please stop by and see me. I work for the Museum. I am the Preparer and Frame Shop Manager. My name is Joe Popp. I helped to put the show together. I am also the owner of the Guitar Synth in the show, and an avid KC admirer. I am down the block from the Museum at the Erie Art Museum Frame Shop 423 State Street (same phone number as the Museum). Come on down and play the Theremin. It's a blast. Joe (e-mail questions to me at POPPDODSON at Compuserve dot com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:49:03 EST From: Scour12345 at aol dot com Subject: Tony Levin's "Waters of Eden" I consider myself to be a KC fan, as well as a Tony Levin fan. His B.L.U.E. CD's in addition to his World Diary project continues to intrigue me. However, I recently heard of his new project "Waters Of Eden" soon to be released on the Narada label (instead of Papa Bear records). Now, when artists such as Tony himself proceed to navigate himself through the murky depths of progressive/experimental music, there seems (to me, at least) to be 2 sides to this particular realm of musical territory: there's the tasteful, jazzy, world music, rythmic side, and then there's the sappy, new age, dentist office/elevator music side. I'm concerned about "Waters Of Eden" being released on Narada records, because I've always known Tony to be on the favorable side of things. However, I fear that he may be riding the very fine line that separates these 2 music worlds. As long as he secures a firm grasp on that fine line, and doesn't loose his footing to slip into a fate much worse than death: the hellish netherworld of relaxing mood music. I have faith in him, and know that he would never succumb to the "dark side". Despite these concerns, I look forward to his new CD. - Dave (scour12345 at aol dot com) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 00 13:24:54 EST From: James Dusewicz Subject: Cigarettes & Ice Cream I know this song is on STARLESS AND BIBLE BLACK(1973). And if my memory serves me correctly, it is "The Great Deceiver". jim campaigner at usa dot net James Dusewicz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 19:35:35 +0000 From: n k proctor Subject: To all Macs, re: Mexico If still having problems with the steaming of Live in Mexico, please email me privately for solution ( especially if you have access to a MiniDisc player) Keep the faith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:39:09 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: KC and KC related releases Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Meanwhile, here are some excerpts of interest to King Crimson fans. On our Papabear Records page we're proud to announce a new release soon to be available! Bruford Levin Upper Extremities/BLUE Nights - Having recorded the Bruford Levin Upper Extremities CD, the band toured Japan and the U.S. recording all their shows. As you would expect from these musicians, the live shows featured not only compositions from the album, extended for live play, but wild improvs, jams that turned into pieces, and compositions that turned into jams. Far too many good pieces to squeeze into one CD, so it had to be a double. If that's not enough, there's a bonus track - a remix by engineer SplatterCell using elements of the live playing in an unusual juxtaposition with techno remixing - perfect for this band. The CD booklet contains Tony Levin's web road diaries (and photos) from the tour, as well as some audience photos. The Musicians Bill Bruford is a longtime member of King Crimson and has been a member of the influential groups Yes and ABWH. Bill also tours and records with his own group, Earthworks. On BLUE Nights you hear Bill at his wildest and most expressive. The CD starts, as did the live shows, with Bill playing alone on stage. There are a few other drum solos, some improvised pieces where he shines, and a couple of Bill's compositions from the earlier BLUE CD. Tony Levin plays all his basses on this CD: the Chapman Stick, NS Electric Upright with and without a bow, and the Music Man bass. There's some featured Stick playing, a bowed bass solo intro and some featured wierdness from the Funk Fingers (with ring modulation!). David Torn is well known for his own albums and soundtracks, plays guitars - but that doesn't describe much of the unique element he brings to this music. Unearthly loops, electrou oud, bouzouki...things like that give you a better idea of how he sounds in the group. Also here is one of David's better known compositions, 3 Minutes of Pure Entertainment, from his classic Cloud About Mercury album. That release had Bruford and Levin on it which led to the group doing 3 Minutes... as an encore piece (it lasts closer to 9 minutes now!). Chris Botti on trumpet provides the lead voice for the group. His own releases on the Verve Forcast label are more jazz oriented than the playing with BLUE. Here Chris gets pretty wild with the other players, but at many times pulls things together with a great melodic sense and sparse playing. Some of the tracks feature duo sections with Chris and guitar which weren't on the studio CD, but developed into audience-moving episodes as the tour progressed. On our Voiceprint page you'll find a whole slew of albums soon to be released including: Ovary Lodge/Ovary Lodge - For over twenty years Keith Tippett has been at the forefront of contemporary European Jazz and new music as a solo pianist, composer, bandleader, band member and musical educator. This recording was originally released in 1973 and followed Tippet's critically acclaimed Centipede project, which featured leading members of the English Jazz and Rock scene of the early '70's. Ovary Lodge is a totally improvised recording, featuring Keith Tippett on piano and zither. Roy Babbington is on Bass and Frank Perry on percussion. Production is by Robert Fripp. On our page of recently released imports you'll find: AFTER CRYING-STRUGGLE FOR LIFE 2000 release from Hungarian progressive rock group formed in 1986 by classically trained trio. Featuring John Wetton on their cover of King Crimson's Starless. AFTER CRYING-STRUGGLE FOR LIFE +CD ROM (2CD) Double CD release from Hungarian progressive rock group formed in 1986 by classically trained trio. Featuring John Wetton on their cover of King Crimson's Starless. Features CD-Rom and MP3 download material unique to this release. KING CRIMSON-IN THE WAKE OF POSEIDON 24 bit digitally remastered Japanese reissue of the legendary British prog group's 1970 & second album on a gold CD & in a miniaturized gatefold LP sleeve limited to the initial pressing only. Eight tracks. KING CRIMSON-ISLANDS 24 bit digitally remastered Japanese reissue of the legendary British prog group's 1971 album on a gold CD in a miniaturized LP sleeve limited to the initial pressing only. Six tracks. KING CRIMSON-LIZARD 24 bit digitally remastered Japanese reissue of the legendary British prog group's 1970 & third album on a gold CD in a miniaturized gatefold LP sleeve limited to the initial pressing only. Five tracks. PFM-PHOTOS OF GHOSTS J Digitally remastered using K2 technology, this is a Japanese reissue of the Italian progressive rock band's 1973 album.2000 release. Features lyrics by Pete Sinfield. PFM-WORLD BECAME THE WORLD J Japanese reissue of 1974 album from Italian prog rock band. Digitally remastered using K2 technology. 6 tracks. Features lyrics by Pete Sinfield. SINFIELD,PETE-STILL J Japanese reissue of the former King Crimson member's solo debut, originally released on the Manticore label in 1973. DigDigitally remastered using K2 technology. Also features Greg Lake, John Wetton, Mel Collins, Keith Tippet, Ian Wallace, etc. As a last note, I want to make a comment on the Japanese remasters of the King Crimson Wake of Poseidon, Lizard and Islands which you saw above. The only difference between the Japanese releases and the recent US releases is that the Japanese releases are on gold CD's (plus an obi strip and probably a Japanese booklet, of course). But both the US and Japanese releases have the same Fripp remastering and the same limited edition mini-LP sleeves. So unless you specifically want gold discs, you'd do just as well to get the much less expensive US releases which you'll find at . Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:25:47 -0800 (PST) From: Edgar Kausel Subject: Summit again Yesterday I got my copy of Live at Summit (a little late, yeah, that's one of the bad things of living in the southern hemisphere). A lot have been said, so i'll try not to repeat (this by no means I'll be brief...). Since I already had the bootleg "Strange Tales of the Sailors" (yes, I'm a sinner) , the comparison between the two CDs is unavoidable : "Strange" is shorter and doesn't include "The Creator", so it was a beautiful surpirse to listen to that one. However, there's only one thing that isn't included in KCCC 9 (besides some voice from the man at the soundboard, I think), the well famous introduction by Fripp. Since it's a classic among bootleggers, I'll try to trancribe it : "I'm informed by the powers that be, that there's a legal compulsion in your fine democratic land, that every half an hour someone present has to say exactly what's happening... uh... Such feeble wit that the lord gave me... quite led the task. However, I have a piece of paper before me which says "Presented at Summit Recording Studios by KFML, 98.5"... and I also belive it's sponsored by Pepsi Cola... uh... When I said... when I said that I wished to inform people I think Pepsi is harmful and very nasty, they said that they'd press a button to cut that ad (?) because one couldn't obviously denigrate one's sponsor... then last we should now press to further heights of it, you see?... [someone says "come alive, we're going to come alive"] ... or form of life... with a piece from the first album which is 21st century Schizoid Man". Other comparisons : the sound quality is far better in KCCC 9, and I thought that "Strange..." has good SQ...; it seems that in "Strange" the tape is a little slower: that makes the feeling that everyone was stoned and has interesting effects in songs like "Cadence & Cascade"; also, it seems that in KCCC 9, there's a "reverb" in Boz voice... I prefer the voice without it, it's warmer, more "live". - There's no mellotron (that's the reason they didn't play "Cirkus", where they blasted both mellotrons): it's very interesting the way Fripp can handle the lack of it in his Sailor's Tale solo. - In Cadence & Cascade there's an absolutely outstanding drum playing by Ian Wallace. And, as far I know, is the only piece of KC music where someone plays the drums with brushsticks (that's the way you call them ?). - Ian : do you really think "Summit going on" it's "boring"? I think it has some great playing by both Collins and Fripp...my favorite one chord jam! - Yes, "The Creator" is a very "Love Supreme"-ish song, and I love Boz bass playing on that one! - Crimheads usually think the 80s band was the funniest Crimso... I disagree. From what you can hear between the songs, all band members (and the audience, too) were having great fun. Yes, I love "pseudo-intelectual" Sinfield lyrics, but I really love the jokes and laughs of this release. "And the voice, could you hear the voice ? Glad you could". I can't help it, every time i hear this I end with an idiotic smile on my face. It seems that Boz was the only Crimso member with enough peronality to overcome Fripp's power, making jokes to him. - I also love the "notes fron the drum stool" it is longer than the previous KCCCs, making it far more interesting, with technical notes and everything. They also deleted Fripp's diary: a very smart move. You already can read it in the DGM site. Overall, an excellent release, making it my favorite one (together with "Live at Beat Club, Bremen"). Thanks Robert and DGM! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Edgar Kausel Subject: Tamm's pic After reading "Robert Fripp: From KC to GC", I never thought that Eric Tamm looked like this! http://www.geocities.com/pitkin_family/tammfripp.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 18:10:52 +1200 From: "Paul" Subject: Cigarettes and Icecream The words "cigarette, icecream" are from The Great Deceiver, on Starless and Bible Black. You need it! Paul Nuttall pnuttall at paradise dot net dot nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 11:11:00 +0000 From: Peter Clinch

Subject: Re: all this and all of that (P1 titles) In ET #647 Gnad Markus wonders: > P1 makes it even more difficult. For what do the numbers and i's stand > for? Who knows? I'd assumed it was a reference to the night, set and song order within the set, though whether 1ii3 would be first song, second set, third night or third song, second set, first night I'm not sure (or that bothered!) Pete. -- Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p dot j dot clinch at dundee dot ac dot uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 08:44:54 -0500 From: Bob Pascarella Subject: Cigarettes, Icecream..correction Sorry Guy...I just realized that the question on Ciagarettes, Icecream was actually "The Great Deceiver" off the album Starless and Bible Black. Sung by John Wetton. Please disregard my ridiculous reply refering to "You Burn Me Up". R. Pascarella ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:19:06 -0500 From: fritz dot kiffmeyer at firstunion dot com Subject: Collector's Club Question Could someone tell me, maybe offline, if when you join the Collector's Club, if you can still get the previous releases (i.e. Beat Club, etc.). I am seriously considering joining the club, and am interested in the older CC releases, as well as the Crim to come. Thanks - Fritz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:13:44 -0500 (EST) From: Art Cohen Subject: Taping & Starless : Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:50:18 -0000 : From: "Al Murray" : Subject: 'starless and bible black' : ........Is from the poetry of Dylan Thomas - Under Milk Wood. : Cheers! : Al : P.S. Toby - can we kill the taping thing - please!?? : [ Gotcha. -- Toby ] Did anyone else find this incredibly ironic? No more discussion of live taping -- one of the most important issues, I think, facing the community of Crimson fans -- but we have space for 15 different replies to the FAQ of where the title "Starless and Bible Black" came from. This message probably won't even make it into the digest, but personally, given the popularity of the KCCC, I can't think of much else that's more directly relevant to most Crimson fans than the issues surrounding bootlegging and live recording. [ The point is, Art, that we have done bootlegging and taping to death in the last 8 years of Elephant Talk. The discussion goes around and around, with the same points coming up again and again, so you have to stop it occasionally. You're right about the Starless query. The original poster should have been referred, by me, to the FAQ. -- Toby ] --Art ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 10:22:34 -0800 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: KC Paris TV; IA on KC >2.Boot CD/KC Paris TV.... Starless...AH Hey Basile - does it reek as bad as Fripp thinks it does? >Subject: Ian Anderson, on King Crimson....1971. >[Badly formed multipart message, contents not processed] Sorry to have missed this - please try again. - S. np: Scott Henderson, Tore Down House scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 19:56:22 +0100 From: "Christian Isendahl" Subject: Percy Howard and Trey Gunn Hi all! For those of you that, like me (I think it is wonderful), enjoyed the Percy Howard/Fred Frith/Bill Laswell/Charles Hayward album Meridiem (recorded and released in 1998) may be interested in the following snippet from a message Percy sent to me in response to certain enquiries. If you haven't heard Meridiem, give it en ear, I say... "Meridiem is an ongoing project for me, with me as writer, singer, and producer. There will be different musicians as guests on the albums over time. It is similar in concept and execution to Anton Fier's Golden Palominos project. The next MERIDIEM album is already out on Outer Music, the album title is 'Full Catastrophe" and is a live album taken from shows I did in the Winter of 99 with Vernon Reid, Trey Gunn, and Charles Hayward. The next studio album for MERIDIEM will be out in August of 2000, and will be called "a scattering time", not angels spread crystal wings, as noted on the Outer Music site. I also have an album out on Materiali Sonori at this time (was released in Feb of 2000) under my name, Percy Howard, and it is called "Incidental Seductions". Musicians include Vernon Reid, Trey Gunn, Charles Hayward, Eraldo Bernocchi, and Bill Laswell (only on one track)" URL for Outer Music is www.pangeamusic.com All the best to you all!/Christian Isendahl, Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 14:43:27 -0500 From: Jim Bailey Subject: A Sighting Greetings, Happened to be watching "Law & Order - Special Victims Unit" the other day, when what should appear in the background in one scene but a sign for "Krim Realty." Didn't have a camera handy to get a snap. If I see the repeat I'll try to tape it. Well, it's a sighting of sorts. Jim Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:53:10 -0500 From: Dave & Racqui Subject: Nashville meeting page I've set up a very simple page at http://www.midnightmecca.com/vbpro/crimso/index.html It's in a guestbook-like format, set up for Crimsos going to Nashville that want to find others needing or having spare tix/hotel space to swap/sell/share. Please visit and sign in, whether you're looking for spare tix/rooms or not. Thanx-Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:08:51 EST From: CCol542760 at aol dot com Subject: Cigarettes, Ice Cream - P1 song titles - KCCC9 Hello, to Christopher Rhines: The verse "Cigarettes, Ice Cream, figurines of the virgin Mary" is from "The Great Deceiver" on Starless and Bible Black. As can be seen in the FAQ, this verse has been contributed by Robert Fripp alluding to the commercialism in the Vatican City. to Markus Gnad: Though I don't know for sure, I think that the song titles on P1 "Live at the Jazz Cafe" are constructed after the principle "n i z", where n stands for the n-th evening (they played 4 evenings), i for the set (each evening they played 2 sets - set 1 denoted by 'i', set 2 by 'ii'), and z for the number of the piece within that set. Thus they will probably not express any musical relationships. KCCC9: I really enjoyed Ian Wallace's liner notes a lot. If possible by any means, I would like to see something like that also in forthcoming releases. The perceptions of the band members on that particular incarnation of the group, and even the concert captured in this release, is a true added value to the CD. Particularly interesting were his comments on the ability of this ensemble, somewhat objecting Fripp's comments to Live in Jacksonville. I only want to put forward some appreciation also for Boz's play. To me his bass playing on that album is very solid and stands up to other bass players - an incredible achievement given the time he had. Comparing him with John Wetton or Tony Levin just would not be fair. It would be interesting to see his and Mel's comments on their experience in the group in a possible later release. Best regards, Carsten Collatz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:26:18 -0500 From: "Les B. Labbauf" Subject: Summitt Studios Just received CC#9 today, and what a treasure it is, so far. I just noticed something interesting at the 47:59 minute of CD. During the part where Boz is speaking to the crowd, Robert plays a little riff which sounds alot like "The Clap" by Steve Howe. Was I hearing things, or has anyone else noticed this? Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:33:51 -0500 From: "Gregory L. Karl" Subject: Bibliographic assist please (young person's guide) Elephant talkers, I am writing a chapter on King Crimson's _Larks' Tongues in Aspic_ for a book on progressive rock which is slated for publication some time in 2001(?) I am looking for someone who owns the booklet from _The Young Person's Guide to King Crimson_ who would be willing to give me two bits of information which I need for my footnotes: (1) On what page does this quotation of Fripp, dated October 29, 1969, appear: "to an audience with a high proportion tripping and expecting a happy soul band. We began with "Schizoid Man." The audience never recovered from the first shock, their condition being delicate anyway. I had the impression of the crowd being squashed." (2) On what page does this quotation of David Cross, dated February 9, 1974, appear: "It sometimes worries me, what we do--we stretch so far and our music is often a frightening expression of certain aspects of the world and people . . . Most of the time our improvisation comes out of horror and panic." Please contact me at curugroth at macconnect dot com. Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance, Gregory Karl New York, NY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:57:02 +0000 From: James Beard Subject: Islands remastered edn. Hey there. I just picked up a copy of Islands, deciding to ignore most of the reviews from Elephant Talk, which seem not to like it. Wow. A very different King Crimson than I have heard before. I don't really concur with the naysayers regarding Boz Burrell's voice and bass playing. I think there is some really beautiful stuff on this record, and it makes a nice change to hear Crimson not focusing on dissonance and chaos so much. I think it's worth buying for 'Prelude: Song of the Gulls' alone. I don't have any rigid ideas of what Crimson *should* be, therefore don't feel the need to criticise them for being different to our tastes and expectations. I'm not sure whether to go for 'Lizard' or 'Poseidon', as reading the reviews has left me more than a little confused! Let me tell anyone who is interested in a new Crimson album that they haven't heard ... don't rely on the reviews. As a fan of Enoid ambience, Islands is a welcome change to the usual expected Crimson stylings. James. -- James Beard Production Runner - Qtwo http://www.unique.com/ ------------------------------ End of Elephant Talk Digest #648 ********************************