Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #640 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 640 Tuesday, 7 March 2000 Today's Topics: NEWS: Live in Mexico City now available for Macs Crimson and related news GIGBIZ : sharing a hotel room in Nashville The Discipline font is... Sorry to take up Band Space Acoustic LTIA; Qango; a commercial event What Crimson Will Be Playing This Summer Do you have any *overall* reviews on ProgMetal bands? The Fire of Righteousness The 1971/2 band Basement dweller surf's up! fehlmann CD--fripp 1995/Santa Cruz question Re: King Crimson Live Live at the Marquee '69 is there life in a video? Eric Tamm Book New KC Release? KC Unplugged KC on radio 12th & Porter Russificated King Crimson re: What About Fripp's Tapes? Re: Taping mexico city download King Crimson - Live At Bremen '72 Mastica Again History......... John Miller David Cross album - singer required 2nd request contact to Hamburg!- Club 9 -- Live at Summit Studios 1972 KC club #9 ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 03:11:49 EST From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: NEWS: Live in Mexico City now available for Macs ETers, If you haven't noticed already, the BTV site has undergone some changes for the better. One of these is the Live in Mexico City WMA file has been re-encoded to no longer require a DRM license. This means Mac users can now play it. In addition everyone might be interested in the new version for two other reasons: - the new version has track markers for quick access to every track, and - not requiring a license is beneficial even for people who could play the DRM'd version because that means you can move it to another PC and play it without worrying about not being able to also transport the license keys. Once again you are asked to supply an email address to download the audio. You will then be sent an email with a code you can enter to continue, and be given the opportunity to opt in to the BTV mailing list. If you provided your email when downloading the concert on the old page, BTV will likely already have you on their mailing list, although I am speculating that they will in fact turn those emails into recipients of BTV mailings - certainly it appears you now have a choice to not be on their mailing list. Oh, and the "Dinosaur" track is now available for download too. Stop by the BootlegTV site at http://www.bootlegtv.com/ to find out more - I haven't even mentioned some interesting news concerning their upcoming plans. Cheers, Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:22:15 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Crimson and related news Hi folks: The latest Artist Shop newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Meanwhile, here are some excerpts for the Crimson afficionados. On our Discipline page you will find that the next round of King Crimson remasters - Wake of Poseidon, Lizard, Islands - that were originally scheduled for February have been moved back to March 19! My fingers are crossed that this date will hold. Also coming in March, a new release from Trey Gunn! The Trey Gunn Band/The Joy of Molybdenum - Third solo album from the King Crimson touch guitarist and recent collaborator with John Paul Jones and many other artists. The Joy of Molybdenum is a record born out of ongoing work with the Trey Gunn Band; a core three piece comprising Trey on 8, 10 and 12 string touch guitars, Tony Geballe on electric and acoustic guitars and Bob Muller on a wild assortment of percussion and drums. Recorded on analogue tape and mixed by David Bottrill, the extreme hybrids found on this record defy most observations. Power grooves, stretches of beautiful landscapes, tightly composed pieces, earth shaking primal drumming overlayed with transparent textures, highly refined melodies - all these and more touch on the wonderful sounds herein. Available Now!!! King Crimson/Collector's King Crimson Vol. 2 - Japanese issue of second volume of collectable King Crimson. First disc, Live at Cap D'Agde 1982, contains 6 tracks recorded at Cap D' Agde with 3 bonus live tracks from Frejus in'82. The live version of The Sheltering Sky alone is worth the cost of this box set! Discs 2 and 3 are the two disc set, On Broadway 1995, which features the double trio. Total of 32 tracks on 3 discs. And keeping just as busy is Voiceprint with the following releases and reissues: Julie Tippetts/Sunset Glow - Julie Tippetts is one of the foremost European vocalists in the field of contemporary jazz and improvised music. Her recording and performing career has taken her from the early years of soul/jazz/r&b with Brian Auger in the 1960's to working with some of the world's leading improvising musicians today. This release was recorded in 1974 and features Keith Tippett, Brian Godding, Mark Charig, Elton Dean and Nick Evans. Keith Tippet, Mark Charig and Nick Evans have guested on a number of King Crimson albums. Michael Giles, Jamie Muir, David Cunningham/Ghost Dance - King Crimson founder member Michael Giles and subsequent Crimson drummer/percussionist Jamie Muir combine with producer David Cunningham to create an album which can be variously described as ethnic heavy metal or village thrash. The music was recorded for Ken McMullen's 1983 film Ghost Dance, shown on Channel 4 and starring Robbie Coltrane. The album has many layers, tribal ethnic, experimental, and new age. Surreal overtones all surface and submerge, melting and mixing in a three dimensional experience. Progression magazine issue No. 33 is now available -- their biggest issue ever, with 176 pages! Contents include: * In-depth interview with Bill Bruford. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:18:38 -0500 From: "Scott Greenbaum" Subject: GIGBIZ : sharing a hotel room in Nashville I've booked a room at The Quality Inn, Nashville Hall of Fame, corresponding to the three gigs. I'm looking to defray costs by sharing the room with reasonably normal people. Ideally these people do not snore!! If interested, please email me privately at mailto:scott at greenbaum dot com I'm seriously siked for these shows!!!!!! -Scott Coconut Grove, FL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:51:02 -0500 From: "Tom X. Chao" Subject: The Discipline font is... Thanks and a tip of the elephant cap to Chris Van Valen, who identified the Discipline, Beat, and ToaPP font as ITC Fenice Regular. Here's the info on that face from the ITC site (where it is available for downloading): http://www.itcfonts.com/itc/fonts/full/ITC6336.html Designed by Aldo Novarese, ITC Fenice (pronounced fe-nee-chay) embraces the traditional design traits of Didot, Bodoni, and Ibarra. These faces are distinguished by their thread-like serifs, which were perfected by Bodoni. ITC Fenice retains such distinctive characteristics and blends them with a contemporary structural style. The lowercase has a larger x-height, and the serifs have been shortened to guarantee a tighter letterfit. ITC Fenice is also somewhat condensed, making it a natural for applications which require the economical use of space. ITC Fenice is available in the following weights: light, regular,bold, and ultra with corresponding italics for each. Elsewhere the Fenice family is described thus: Originally produced by the Berthold foundry in 1977, Fenice was designed by Aldo Novarese and licensed by International Typeface Corporation in 1980 . . . . ITC Fenice is a trademark of International Typeface Corporation. When Discipline's cover art was being designed, Fenice was still a relatively new face! And remember, that was before Macs, desktop publishing, PageMaker, Quark XPress, Postscript, TrueType, or Type 1 fonts! TXC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 04:56:08 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Basile Subject: Sorry to take up Band Space Sorry to take up Band Space, but I lost an address and have to thank Simon for the two CD,AWESOME!I got the better of the deal!On a Crimson note, when is the Beast set for an American release? Warmly, Basile By, The Three Rivers (Maz should be in the hall of fame!So should Fripp!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 10:48:05 -0800 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Acoustic LTIA; Qango; a commercial event >I think it would be "shocking" to hear some of their repertoire get an >acoustic treatment. I think I can imagine a LTiA (II) with three >acoustic/12-string guitars rumbling, creating a totally different approach >to the song than we are used to, stealing our breaths for a while. That is what happens on Intergalactic Boogie Express, on the song Larks' Thrak. Go get a copy Macahan, you'll enjoy it greatly. About Qango: >All in all it was a very enjoyable concert and I would recommend the band >to anyone who enjoyed Asia in the past. I am glad you enjoyed the concert. Would you recommend it to a fan of Wetton's version of King Crimson, or to a UK fan? >However, if Fripp is truly interested in the concert as more than a >"commercial event," he might explain how the commercial releases B'Boom, >Absent Lovers, the Collectors' Club, the Nightwatch, Epitath, Soundscapes, >ProjeKCts, etc., etc., etc. are able to capture that immediacy better than >a surrepititiously recorded DAT traded among friends. Well, that's easy: They are brought into DGM's studios and expertly tweezed by the artist himself and his close friend Singleton who is a real expert at this sort of thing. Now you can bring your DAT home and hook it up to your computer and use Cool Edit or some such to make it sound great - but I'll take the Fripp/Singleton version anytime, partly because I'd rather line Fripp's pockets than yours - it seems the proper thing to do. - S. np: Focus, Hamburger Concerto scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 16:42:10 -0500 From: leslabb at ptd dot net Subject: What Crimson Will Be Playing This Summer In ET 639 Macahan Wondered: >BTW, I guess no one could have any idea about what is likely to be >played on the upcoming tour this summer? I would venture to guess no music prior to the 90's, ie; Music from the new album, some improvs, and possibly some PROJEKcts. Les B. Labbauf http://home.ptd.net/~leslabb Beauty is the reflection of the appearance of truth. Better to seek truth than the reflection of its appearance. But better to seek beauty than nothing. Author Unkown. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:02:43 GMT From: "michael m." Subject: Do you have any *overall* reviews on ProgMetal bands? Hi all, now that EEEPM is online the feedback we get on ProgMetal.net regarding the Encyclopedia, is more than encouraging. The thing is, The Epigram Encyclopedia(EEEPM) is in need for more overall reviews on progressive and experimental metal bands. To find reviews on individual albums is an easy job to do, but what really makes a project like an Encyclopedia "user friendly" is the overall views of progressive metal fans. If you think your overall views on progressive/experimental metal bands are suitable for an Encyclopedia submit them using this link: http://www.progmetal.net/eeepm/reviewcontribution.shtml Thanks for reading me, MichaelM ProgMetal.net Visit the EEEPM here: http://www.ProgMetal.net/eeepm ps. I'd like to thank again the Contributors of EEEPM, without them the whole project wouldn't be reality. Check the "Contributors Section" of EEEPM for more information about them. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:43:07 EST From: Ctao at aol dot com Subject: The Fire of Righteousness Teamsters- I was struck by the self righteous tone of many of the pro bootleg contingent weighing in against Fripp's point of view in the last ET. Let me get this straight---Fripp's only basis for his objecting to bootlegs is that he isn't getting his "piece of the action" (I paraphrase, but not liberally)? All of his strenuous and explicit arguments against bootlegging are completely disingenuous, and set up primarily to foil the (self) interests of his most ardent "fans"? Let's assume that reasonable gentlepeople will sometimes disagree in matters philosophical. Shouldn't the benefit of the doubt be extended to he who creates and (egads!) owns the right to the music in question? As far as the much maligned "moment" is concerned, is it possible that the money-grubbing Frippster, as a lifelong practitioner of the sacred art of music, might be sensitive to energies and forces of which the average "earnest young man" might be entirely ignorant? Can things we don't personally perceive effect us? Not sure? Thought so. I don't think it's necessarily a crime to own a bootleg. I just question the motivation of any fan foolhardy enough to enter a debate in which he or she is so clearly outgunned. Yes, I think Fripp, as one of the most bootlegged guys around, has probably given more (or just better) thought to the subject than your average "bootleg moralist". Have some respect, folks, this is Fripp we're talking about. Fed up with the flak, CD P.S.- If you believe Fripp's main motivation is cash, what does it say about you that you're so willing to fork it over? np: Axiom Dub/Mysteries of Creation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:58:13 -0000 From: Simon Calkin Subject: The 1971/2 band The release of the Denver show proves beyond any question that this was a superb lineup. Thanks are especially due to Ian W for his excellent drumming.Also,his experiment,in the guise of I.W.Gumby,to guage whether English humour crosses the Atlantic or not.Not was the answer,but then again this was two years or so before Monty Python appeared on U.S. t.v. He's right about that version of "The Creator...." It SHOULD have been developed,but there clearly wasn't time,as the band's last gig was only two weeks later.Interesting to hear the guitar phrases from "Larks' Tongues 1" just before the break in the tape,though. Personally I think it's a pity that there are breaks in "The Creator...." I would happily have done without that version of "Schizoid" in order to fit on the CD the full magnificence of "The Creator...".Maybe the tape ran out (it might have been allowed to run out as they were off the air at that time). What would be nice now would be a Collectors' Club release of this band prior to the Jan 72 breakup.A tape of Brighton 16/10/71 exists,and is the full show,but the quality of the sonics is worse that the Marquee 69 show.sadly. Simon Calkin Broadcast Engineering Broadcast Technology Resources, BBC Resources * Work: 0208 576 0910 * Fax: 0208 749 7853 * Room 4252 TV Centre, Wood Lane, London, W12 7RJ > * mailto:simon dot calkin at bbc dot co dot uk > * http://www.bbcresources.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:46:41 -0500 From: "Raymond J Raupers Jr" Subject: Basement dweller surf's up! Several months passed since being disciplined by Big Bad Bob and true to color my surf to ET is characterized by discussions of Bob's vehement attack upon taping of shows. Poor guy if he could only reduce music to an anal retentive exercise all customer's needs could be controlled even if most needs are denied. Give yourself a little credit Bob we ain't lookin' to bleed you dry like some flavor of the month and leave you or your heirs to wither in the dust. You really can't see the forest through the trees can you? Wake up we are the forest and you are acting like a tree. Listen to your customers or delegate the authority to someone that can.20 Dear God do you think it ever occurred to him that if he made a good faith effort to smother us with recordings that the irrelevance of taping shows would be his key to freedom? So old schooled, nonproductive and defenseless. We will not be denied. Anyone short on live show availability? Why defend inferior logic? Bob... nothing is fair in this world, you may be economically insulated while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer but we will have our music because we need it. Most of your fans have endured history's collusive anti free market activities such as payola and still suffer from price fixing of CD's. And now we endure your refusal to provide the USA release on CD while we watch you conspire with the forces that supposedly denied you freedom to reap artistic compensation. Is an artist an island? Is an artist complete without an audience? Are you impossibly unreachable? If so you reap what you sow. God Bless Rockabilly.20 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 21:39:14 PST From: "Spear man" Subject: fehlmann CD--fripp 1995/Santa Cruz question Finally got to hear the Thomas Fehlmann 'one to three. Overflow...' CD. Pretty fun--seemed like art-damaged techno/trance/ambient. Anyway, I was wondering if Robert Fripp's part--on the last track--is from the 1995 Soundscapes Tour? There's a credit to Santa Cruz in the liner notes and Robert's part sounds a lot like what he played live at the Catalyst in 1995 when he toured with CGT. Quite similar to his Blessing of Tears release. Just wondering, --spearman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:14:52 EST From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Re: King Crimson Live In ET #639, "Louis Sormany" writes: > Do you know the site "King Crimson Live"? You will find on it a > chronological list of all the cds Live of KC (official, KCCC & Bootlegs) > with the picture of the cds, the citys of the concerts and the songs on > each of them. The address of the site is: > http://members.aol.com/nisimoto/kclive.htm > It may take longer to load some pages of this site, but it's a very > interesting one. Wow!! This site is quite amazing on many levels: 1) I've been thinking for the past month that with all the live KC releases coming out wouldn't it be great if someone compiled a chart that showed where one might find a recording of something from any given KC gig? The info is out there - it just need this type of cross reference. And here is exactly what I had in mind. 2) The site not only covers official releases but bootlegs, along with seem to be the covers of these illicit releases. 3) The site is hosted on AOL (Ok - only slightly amazing). I will be including a link to this site from ET Web. Along with the Elephant Walk Web site, this really fills in many gaps. Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 23:21:31 -0800 (PST) From: paul willette Subject: Live at the Marquee '69 I just found out that this cd exists. I'm, at the moment, pulling hairs out of my head in sheer excitement. I cant believe it, "I Talk To The Wind" live! Then I see they want 96 dollars U.S. for me to sign up. Wow. I've never been a sore sport, and always tried to do right by others. All I want is a copy. Not the whole shabang.. Can someone help me? Look at me, I'm a mess! Pull myself together they say, but how? And what is this track called "Trees?" Oh lord... S.O.S. Please email me, someone.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:29:55 +0100 From: "Christian Skina" Subject: is there life in a video? Somehow it's been discussed, the participating power of a live performance. What is then the meaning of a video tape? A nostalgic memory for those who have been there, a glimpse into a consumed event which you have missed? I like to watch screens. My video collection is on the huge side and it often happened that I watch a film or concert several times. And with dvds you don't even bother if the tape will be damaged by this repetition. It's fun to watch Zappa's concerts but I'd rather see him just sitting and listen to his guitar (see-hear St. Etienne). I like Tom Waits' Big Time and Gabriel's visual moods. And the waving Phillip Glass. When watching Callas performances (which I could have never attended, viewed my age), I feel her exploding in my chest. It's enough though to listen to any of her recordings, close your eyes and you'll see her. Since I was deep `under age" in the 70, the only Crimson I could experience (and any other monster) was on LP. Later, I was really glad to get my hands on Frejus, Japan1 and the old shorts. The first video that really told me something else than what the music was telling, was the much hated Japan2, that "out of focus and unstable camera" one. I don't like head aches and really dislike the Dogma way of filming, not to mention the shaky MTV stuff. But I personally see a cry of recognition in the Japan2 video. Two thumbs up for its makers. The "unexpected" came though when I saw Mr Fripp performing in the String Quartet, Silvian-Fripp, Careful with that Axe and Japan2. THAT made a difference for me. I'll explain: I once saw a film called "Meetings with Remarkable Men". There, almost at the end, we are presented with some sort of dance, movements as the Gurdjieff people call them. That very moment I felt petrified, through my eyes a strange current entered my body. The same way, when I see the "stiffy" Fripp on his stool, I do feel something more than his guitar is telling me. I had the pleasure of seeing several Krimson performances and most of the times I was very close to the stage, thus being able to see the musician's nose hairs. I'm not into nose hairs but that musical intimacy I do welcome. I've been to all the 4 Projeckt 1 performances and my elbows were on stage (maybe KC should acknowledge their presence on the cd cover). I could never clap hands during "songs". I never can at King Crimson and now I have turned into a catatonic concert spectator. But what's happening inside me is far from being unmoved. Going back to the video. Some say silence is the hardest to play. When watching that Fripp moving only fingers, I resonate and get into the music much better. And this body performance is one of the few elements that can be recorded and will not cheat you. There. Christian Skina ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:42:00 -0500 From: "BELONIS, KONSTANTINOS" Subject: Eric Tamm Book Does someone have a copy of the Eric Tamm book that I might be able to obtain? I can't seem to find it anywhere and I do know it is out of print. Please contact me privately. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 18:08:34 -0500 From: John Roi Subject: New KC Release? Please excuse me if this has already been addressed but does anyone know when the new KC recording is due for release? I read about the recording sessions on Trey's site & it sounds incredible! Can't wait! Thanks, John. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 13:13:11 +1100 From: Mark Jordan Subject: KC Unplugged G'day all So you want to hear KC unplugged. That's easy if you have a decent enough soundcard (SB Live or similar). Grab my midi file of Three of a Perfect Pair and download it from the ET page. Down download the demo version of Cakewalk or some similar midi sequencer. Load up the sequencer software and open TOAPP midi file. Now select acoustic guitars and acoustic (double) bass. There you have it. KC unplugged. You could even try different instruments. e.g. clarinet, trombone and oboe. try it regards to all Mark Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:42:12 EST From: EkimDwod at aol dot com Subject: KC on radio Interested I almost never hear KC on the radio, the last and onlyregular playing I ever herd was on Allison Steels ( The Nightbird ) show on WNEW in 1970s. She also introduced them at Sunshine Inn in Asbury Park 1973 and has since died from cancer. Recently WBJB radio from Brookdale College in NJ has been playing KC in the afternoon no less. Check it out and maybe you'll get luckey 90.5 FM Mike in Brick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:16:57 -0600 From: Roger Bemiss Subject: 12th & Porter FYI, I live in Nashville and have seen many shows at !2th & Porter. It is a wonderfully small club with plent of tables and a small balcony. For anyone fortunate enough to catch any or all of the shows, you should be in for a real treat. Not only because there really is no bad seat in the house (especially if you nab a chair on the first row of the balcony), but also because if the new KC bears any resemblance to Projekt 4 then it will most certainly be incredible (I can only imagine "Red" with PM pulling out some real interesting samples). I realize that last bit is somewhat subjective but I've been waiting 10 years to see KC and I can only thank my lucky stars that AB chooses to live just east of town. If you are coming to the shows and would like some info on Nashville, email me at: jtull at hotmail dot com I don't have a computer and don't get to check the email but once a week at most. I will reply, though, just don't expect it the day after you send it. Cheers, Alan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 13:11:58 +0300 From: "/IAAEIEO eAIOIEAEEE" Subject: Russificated King Crimson Friends! All Russian (and not Russian) speaking ETers are invited to visit the new (full) version of "Indoor Games. The Russificatrd King Crimson". Link to our page you can find on ET's "Links page 1". The exact address of it is: http://www.indoorgames.hotmail.ru Vladimir Kalnitsky Saint-Petersburg, Russia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 12:16:48 +0000 From: Peter Clinch

Subject: re: What About Fripp's Tapes? In ET #639 Arnold Schulberg wondered: > So what about the situation where Fripp and KC are taping their shows for > later release (or not)? Rather different, I think. The sound is going through a desk which is being monitored by a professional engineer working it to try and maximise the sound quality to the audience. It doesn't make any difference to the engineer whether there's a tape feed off the desk or not: in any case he's there to do a job over being part of the audience. > Or if someone else is taping the show and neither Fripp nor I are aware of > it, how does it destroy "the moment"? Seen "Sixth Sense"? That bit with the school play, and *everyone* is camcording it rather than actually giving the show itself their full attention? The case in point is not quite so extreme as that, but it does illustrate quite well how the desire to capture an event actually removes one to a degree from the event itself. And if you're partially removed, worrying about your mics, the length of tape left, concealing the recording equipment etc., undetected or not the guy with the tape is not participating at the same level as others. And different audiences *do* affect shows: if you don't think that, then one of us has been to a very unrepresentative sample! Pete. -- Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p dot j dot clinch at dundee dot ac dot uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:20:54 EST From: "Chris Calabrese" Subject: Re: Taping It really doesn't matter if Fripp doesn't allow taping...I've never seen KC live but I saw Project II at the Somerville Theatre in Boston and I'll admit, I taped it. It's really easy to sneak it in. What I did...and what I do at any shows where taping isn't allowed (most of them) all I do is put my DAT in my pocket, and then I wear a baseball cap and glasses with no frames in them. Then I have 2 small microphones that I pull up through my shirt and attach them to the fake glasses and pull my long hair over them to hide them...BANG! KC live tape. I for one appreciate the live setting and I want to listen to it again. So what if Fripp gives a damn? He wouldn't be around if it weren't for us...the fans. And I don't sell them. I just listen to them for my own enjoyment and I'll trade them but I won't sell them. Unfortunately, I realize that not everyone is like me and some people feel the need to sell them...good for them. It's not going to stop me. It's not like they pad you down at a KC show. The reason why people bitch and moan about there not being more live KC live recordings is because people actually listen to Fripp. You guys have minds of your own...don't let this man tell you what to do. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 10:44:49 EST From: "James Sullivan" Subject: mexico city download Hi. I was wondering if there is any one out there that can let me know how to transfer the download to CD.Please send me a personal reply. Thanks. Pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 14:42:16 -0800 From: "David Blanchette" Subject: King Crimson - Live At Bremen '72 I was wondering if anyone can explain why the video of this show (Beat Club '72) was not released instead of a CD? Thanx - David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:47:39 EST From: MarkJX at aol dot com Subject: Mastica Again If you haven't heard Pat's powerful little trio, you've got to check it out. I've heard the entire CD and there is not a dog in the bunch. Call up your local radio station and ask for it (after it's released, of course). Most of the songs are pretty beatty without being repetitious. Lots of variety as well. Mark J. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 12:24:43 EST From: Josette484 at aol dot com Subject: History......... I first met Fripp in ..I'd say it was probably 1971....King Crimson were one of my favorite bands. Fripp was amazing in that band....I felt intranced by the music, and I really don't remember just how I got back to his hotel room after the show...but I ended up there. Fripp impresssed me more with his intellect then any other muscian. He was brilliant. I remember how he explained his positive views on Groupies....and I felt special. That nite, somehow I ended up bringing his drummer...Ian Wallace I believe his name was...back to my home in Nutley NJ. We took the bus from the Port Authority. I snuck him into my bedroom...past my Moms room...and kept things "hush hush'....in the morning...I told Ian that if my Mom knew I had a boy sleep in my room I'd REALLY get hell....why oh why he agreed I have no idea...but I dressed him up in my clothes....a ruffly blouse and skirt..put way too much make up on him....and paraded him out into the dining room for coffee and breakfast with my mom. I will NEVER forget the look on her face when she first saw him! She almost choked on her coffee...made a smooth recovery and acted as if it were all normal. Ian spoke in a rediculas falsetto voice trying his best to keep me from getting a whipping....so he thought. I will NEVER forget that breakfast....it was a riot! Afterwards, hugs and kisses goodbye to my mom, and I actually walked him to the corner and put him back on the NY bus in that get up....never to hear from him again.... I often wondered...... Anyway...I didn't see fripp for about I'd say 7 or 8 years...I was at a Fleetwood Mac show chatting up Christine McVees husband...she was all pissed off... when there he was Fripp! He actually repeated my old phone number from Nutley NJ...667-1850...Ill NEVER forget it because of him...I can't imagine HOW he remembered it! So I had told Nico all this crap...and that it was important for the book because they want me to re-hook up and get photos with as many of the guys from my past as I can...and when I get all the details down about Ian...it is a good, silly story...so I dragged Nico to the Music Expo show at the New Yorker show tonite In hopes of meeting up with Fripp. There was a long line to get in...you were susposed to register or something...I told someone who appeared to be in charge that I was an old friend of Fripps and I just wanted to say hello...he told us where to go to see fripp...into a large banquet room FILLED to the max with people..."Free internet down loads and the effect on the music industry" was the topic. I looked around....didn't see anyone who I thought looked as Fripp should.... Then...there he was at the podium....People started taking photos...he closed his eyes and said "this would be the ONLY photo oportunity"..he remained with eyes closes as the flashes went off...I thought..."sheeeeesh" and looked over at Nico...she knew what I ment and shrugged her shoulders...how were we going to get this photo if THAT was the only photo op? He looked over in my direction a few times as he spoke...I thought I saw that familiar twinkle in his eye...but I wasn't sure...He spoke about the ill position muscians are being put into because of the freedom of the internet. He said his very own catalog of music had been sold and he received no money at all from the sale.He spoke about creative progression....siad there is no such thing...creative muscians have NO choice...they just ARE....he was BRILLIANT and magnetic.... Then it was over...he left the stage and walked to my right....a crowd formed around him very fast.....Nico and I were about 5 people back....he was answering questions about "King Crimson"...YES they WILL be touring! Someone asked for a photo and he said NO!!! Then our eyes met through the crowd...he winked at me and said "There's a familiar face...I know you!"....I smiled back at him....he finished up with the people in fron of me and then moved over to my side and gave me "euro-kisses" I told him he had an amazing memory...and I introduced him to Nico...we spoke for only a few moments...Nico gave him her card...and we spoke of getting together for cocktails...I asked him if he remembered my friend "Cookie" he said yes he remembered her...I told him she sent her regards...and he back to her....more kisses.... then I bravely asked....a picture Fripp...I wont use the flash? he smiled and put his arm around Nico...I took the flashless photo...and he said "Better do one with a flash to be sure!"...so I did...Nico was impressed......and so was I http://www.NicosIntimateNotebook.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 06:16:45 -0800 From: "a. b. tuckerman" Subject: John Miller I was wondering if anyone had any information on John Miller (cover art for the soundscapes albums). I have the set of 3 prints that DGM put out, but i would like to enlarge my collection of his works, or at least see more of. Does anyone know what he's up to, or where he dwells, or any other relevant information concerning him? Thanks in advance, Adam The Life And Times Of Adam Tuckerman: http://www.aznet.net/~crimson/index.html Adam's Page of Weird: http://www.aznet.net/~crimson/weird.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 07:02:41 EST From: Noisynoisy at aol dot com Subject: David Cross album - singer required 2nd request Hello everyone, We've had some exciting replies to our first notice on elephant talk and we're still listening to CDs/tapes. But if there's anyone who missed it the first time we're running it again. David Cross is looking for a male singer for his next album. The singer will take the lead on most of the songs (composed by David Cross, Richard Palmer-James and Mick Paul). Recording/rehearsals etc. will take place in the London area in the next few months. To get an idea of the material check out the Noisy Records website at noisy.co.uk Interested singers please send a photo, tape and short CV to Noisy Records, PO Box 17638, LONDON N12 8WP Look forward to hearing from you! David Cross and Noisy Records ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:53:21 +0100 From: S984507 Subject: contact to Hamburg!- hey! can You help me? I want to go to see KC in HAmburg, but I am from Tilburg (Holland), how can I contact the venue? greg gmazurek at hotmail dot com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 17:29:22 -0500 From: "Heilbronner, Mike (I)" Subject: Club 9 -- Live at Summit Studios 1972 Hi All: This gets my vote as "favorite Club release." They were grooving that day/night! And I love the droll DJ commentary. Most of all, however, the sound quality is superb by any standards for a live 1972 recording, especially Club standards. Kudos to DGM and all those who contributed to this excellent product. Thanks Mike Heilbronner. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:15:58 PST From: "Alfred Dodson" Subject: KC club #9 Greetings fellow Krimheads i just got my copy of KC Collector's Club #9 in the mail yesterday and have been listening to it ever since. the recording is excellent and the performance is spectacular. This release helps expand on club release #2 of the same lineup. I thoroughly enjoy it and look forward to hearing others comments. Alfred ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #640 ********************************