Elephant Talk #637 (as text)

23 February 2000

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:02:36 EST
From: DanKirkd at aol dot com
Subject: NEWS: New Official Bill Bruford Web Site
Just a heads up that Bill Bruford has joined the Web site world and
established his own official Web site at http://www.billbruford.co.uk/ .  The
site also covers Bill Bruford's Earthworks.

Now, if we could only convince him to write a diary too... ;^)

ET Web

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:53:59 EST
From: DanKirkd at aol dot com
Subject: NEWS: Ian Wallace Q&A
Hello ETers,

Ian Wallace, of the Wallace, Collins, Burrell, Fripp "Islands" incarnation of
King Crimson, has kindly agreed to participate in a Q&A event with ET, much
like we did a few years ago with Tony Levin.

Ian will be featured on the next King Crimson Collectors' Club, "Live at
Summit Studios 1972", and you can access his own record label "Artist Road
Records" Web site at http://www.finemusic.com/ .

To ask a question, send an email to "questions at elephant-talk dot com", with a
subject that starts "Q&A".

We'll take questions for 1 week following the issue date of this ET digest.
I will then put them together and send them on to Ian for his responses,
after which we'll post his answers in a future ET digest.


ET Web

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 14:10:11 -0800 (PST)
From: John Lukes <jal48 at yahoo dot com>
Subject: 2,500 years of misinformation...
Although I was once a regular ET subscriber, now
I only drop by (every-once-in-awhile), so I don't
know if I have the "right" to post this....

...but, I stoppe by today, via the website, and must
say I find it interesting to see evidence of folks
still mentioning, let alone debating, about the
possible "satanic" influences to anyone's music.

But anyone so concerned, in either direction, would
do well to watch (study!) PBS's FRONTLINE special,
APOCALYPSE!" from a couple month's back. I have
watched it three or four times (i taped it).  But
anyone can go to PBS's website at www.pbs.org,
and then on to the Frontline pages for more info.

In just two hours, no longer than the average concert,
they lay out the whole history of
apocalytic thinking in the West.

You will learn things that you probably never knew
and having learned those things, unless you come
to the learning with extreme biases (which would
delimit your ability to truly learn), I will predict
that you will no longer suffer confusion nor concern
about whether ANYONE's music is "satanic".

But you have got to watch the WHOLE show -- hey,
wouldn't TWO hours be worth the time if it could
clear up 2,500 years of misinformation and lower
your anxiety levels?!

And by the way, the old wisdom, "the truth shall set
you free" is appropriate here.


Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:56:01 +0100
From: "Vannuccio-MP Records" <vzanel at tin dot it>
Subject: Guest: Trey Gunn
Dear Sirs,

M.P. Records is an Italian Independent label and we just released the first
album of the italian group HYPNOISE. The title of the album is "OPIUM".

This album has been produced by R.CHRIS MURPHY and the guest star is TREY
GUNN who's playing the warr guitar on four songs.

The whole album is sung in English.

For further information, please, apply to me at

vzanel at tin dot it

M.P. Records website is:     www.mprecords.it

Thanks a lot.
Vannuccio Zanella
---   MP Records ---
Tombolo - PD (Italy)

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:07:49 EST
From: Hocow at aol dot com
Subject: apology and grab bag
      In 636 Mr. Fignar reacted strongly to a flipant remark I made in 635.
The comparison of bootlegging to rape is not an actual quote from Robert
Fripp.  It was a hyperbolic distillation of old edicts he has made about
tapers engaging the musician in a nonconsentual act.  It has been so long
since I have stopped scrolling through these statments when they appear that
I cannot say for sure whether Fripp ever made the rape comparison, or if that
was a leap I made on my own due to the fact that it is the ultimate
nonconsentual act.  I apologize to anyone offended by my casual use of the
word and would again point out that what I said should not be construed as a
RF quote.
     This is hipocritical of me, but my main concern was the use of a King
Crimson newsletter to preach the virtues of everyone sharing their bootlegs.
It just had this sort of "Wayne and Garth neo hippie right on the music
belongs to all of us" attitude that has got to drive Fripp nuts.  Once again.
 You know he reads this.  You know his position on who owns his music.  You
know we as a whole will be vilified because a few of us are trying to set up
a bootleg web ring.  I am guilty of buying bootlegs myself so I have no right
to judge the action.  I just don't think this is the forum for it.
     Any opinions on the "I Had a Dream" issue.  I am surprised to see that
RF is concerned about bad reviews or fan reaction.  He had the stones to
release the ProjeKcts.  How much harm can one depressing ditty do?  I think
if they feel the cut is weak the band should remove it.  If it doesn't fit
within the flow of the album artistically and they think the album is better
without it remove it.  But I do not think they should remove it because the
label is afraid it might be fodder for bad reviews.  I don't think there are
that many reviewers out there who get KC anyway.  No matter what they do, you
can count on KC getting slagged by most of the press.  As far as the fans are
concerned, Crimson is critic proof.  As far as new fans go, in today's world
of gangsta rappers yelling "fuck" in your face every three bars, what lyric
could possibly be offensive?  If the content is too grim it will probably be
praised for being honest,gritty and cutting edge.  I would like the
opportunity to hear the song and love it or hate it.  I don't believe KC
would have put it on the finished album if it was no good.  Maybe Fripp
didn't like it in the first place but deferred to Adrian and is now
rethinking the inclusion because the label balked.
      An old John Wetton interview added to ET interviews mentioned the UK
reunion cd.  Does anyone know the status of this project?  It sounded like it
was all but finished two years ago and then it dropped out of sight.  Has it
been shelved for some reason?  It sounded very intrigueing at the time they
were working on it.
                                      Brad Wilmot

Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:29:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Ian Obermuller <micetw at yahoo dot com>
Subject: Compact King Crimson
Is compact KC a live album or is it re-realeses of
songs from other albums like a "best of?"
The ET discography of "Compact KC" contains the songs
"Red" and "Cat food" but they aren't listed in CDNOW's
track list of that album. (?)

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:50:07 -0500
From: "Jeff A. Taylor" <jeffataylor at earthlink dot net>
Subject: Electro violin fans...
...might want to check out the new live Dixie Dregs album, California
Screamin'. Recorded last August, it still mostly turns on the fret work of
Steve Morse, who IMHO runs kinda hot and cold, but there is plenty of bow work
too. This outing struck me as more fusiony than I remember other Dregs efforts
being. I was disappointed in the lack of good liner notes, no DGM quality here
and in the version of Zappa's "Peaches en Regalia," which zooms by in under
3:50 in never really tackles the signature melody line the way some of Zappa's
better bands did.

Overall, an OK effort. Give a listen before you buy.




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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 02:32:02 +1100
From: "S. Zjakic" <szjakic at ozemail dot com dot au>
Subject: Re: The Forgotten Continent
Hi, everyone,
I would like to add my voice to Greg Forster's elaborate plea to Mr. Fripp
and King Crimson to include Australia in their forthcoming world tour and to
invite other Aussie fans of KC (and I know they are out there) to do the
same. After all these years of waiting I think we deserve to see King
Crimson playing live Down Under.


Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:26:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Basile <basilej at yahoo dot com>
Subject: Non Important List
Hi, As if anyone cares, my top six CD I can't get out
of my  tray/ or head,in any disorder: .1.Godsmack
2.STP4 3.Creed/Human Clay 4. YES?The LADDER 5. Sacred
Songs/HALL & FRIPP. 6. Remaster ICOTCK(Thanks again
Chico!). Well until the new beast is released. TA TA
Oh, my aboved mention friend Chico mentioned the
"magical" show the CGT preformed in New Orleans.
Basile By The Three Rivers
(ex Steeler Fan)

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:56:52 -0800
From: "Ken Payne" <kpayne at sprint dot ca>
Subject: Re: Heartbeat
Does Pat Mastelotto play on the Friends theme "I'll Be There For You"?
I know he plays drums on most of the Rembrandts recordings.

Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:59:11 EST
From: TimPGriffiths at cs dot com
Subject: Heartbeat
Yes that really was 'Moonchild' that you heard in the background of
(ITV 13 Feb). Not a programme I normally watch but it does tend to grab your
attention when something as out of place as Moonchild appears. Who knows
which programmes KCs current output will appear in in 30 years time!

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:32:47 EST
From: SJusczuk at aol dot com
Subject: Projekcts
   I've read through some of the comments concerning the Projekcts and
improvisation vs. composition.  As a whole, I like all of KC's music.  Some
songs I liked right away--others I needed to listen to a few times to catch
the nuances.  My favorite KC music belongs to Fripp-Wetton-Bruford era.  In
stark contrast to Mr. Fripp's preferences, I enjoy the over-powering rythym
section accented by Fripp's playing.  I especially like "Providence,"
"Starless and Bible Black," and "Fracture."
  As for the more recent KC/fractals work--I find the Projekcts Box set very
pleasing and stimulating.  Some of the music is meditative--some very
hard-driving--and others a tad out there in some strange universe.  Make no
mistake--KC/Projekcts are not "party music" designed for the casual listener
(to my personal delight).  But when I am alone or driving in my car--i crank
up the volume and become lost in my own little world for a while.  Thanks a
bunch to Mr. Fripp and all the rest  :)    Steven Jusczuk        sjusczuk@aol.

PS--the excerp of people cursing over the camera at the end of Live Groove is
hilarious.  I like the part :  "get a rope."  and the lady repeatedly begging
Mr. Fripp "we're sorry--we're sorry."  :)

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:12:42 -0500
From: Peggs <gcpeggstuff at usa dot net>
Subject: The ProjeKcts, Y2kCRIM, soundscapes...
Good Evening...(and FYI)...,

Here's where I am in the world of Crim (for those of you keeping track):

I'm lovin' the the P3 and P4 discs. If the latest Crim disc sticks along
these lines, I would not be disappointed (regardless of "Dream").

Speaking of, I cannot wait for the "ConstruKction of Light". It WILL
rule. I will be in Nashville in May, and I am hoping to see all my
fellow e-mail Crimsters there on Saturday. Somehow we'll hook up.

What is the delay in getting out more soundscapes??!! No matter if it's
a CC release (which I hope it's not), or a "special order", one or two
more discs is definately needed. Hopefully something is on the way.

Alright, so let's get on with the Vrooomin'...


P.S. Hey, I'm looking for Robin (the last name escapes me) who send me a
few tapes around 91/92. He lives (or lived) in Ohio. Robin, let me know
if you're still out there. Thanks.

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:15:58 -0500
From: "Tom X. Chao" <txc at echonyc dot com>
Subject: font, London Crim sightseeing
Two questions:

1. Can anyone please tell me what font is used on the covers of Discipline,
Beat, and ToaPP?

2. I will be visiting London during the 3rd week of March.  Does anyone
have suggestions for places to visit of interest to a nascent
Crim-head/Bruford-phile?  Stores or historical sites, perhaps?  For
instance, the house where Bruford lived with all of the members of Yes in
the early days comes to mind.


Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:12:44 -0500
From: "Dennis M. Parrott" <dparrott at mich dot com>
Subject: Re: Bootleg Daisy Chain
-----Original Message-----
>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:47:03 EST
>From: Hocow at aol dot com
>Subject: Discourse in the Court of the Crimson Fool,Bootleg Daisy Chain
> Dennis The Hedge Trimmer wields his Mighty Shears, & SNIP!
>                                         Yours Verbosely,
>                                                Brad Wilmot
>PS What the hell are you guys thinking, proposing a bootleg daisy chain, in
>newsletter for Robert "smuggling a recorder into my concerts is a
>nonconsensual act comparable to rape" Fripp enthusiasts?

Interestingly enough, taking the ill-gotten product (the original bootleg
purchased) and making hundreds of copies of it is something of a
"punishment" for being a low-down, thieving bastard... Some of the Phish
fans I know advocate this sort of "punishment" for the bun-wads who try to
scam cash from people by selling copies of Phish performances. Phish
doesn't mind giving away copies of their performances, but they really get
upset if you charge for them (I may get hoist on my rhetorical petard for
that paraphrasing of what they permit... but I think it is close enough for
rock n roll...).

Since music encoded in a digital form can be copied ad infinitum with no
loss of fidelity, we could all be real "turds" to the bootleggers by buying
exactly one copy of a boot and sending a CD copy of it to each member of
the ET list.  And we could do it with impunity -- what would the bootlegger
be able to do? Sue us all for copyright violations?  If the daisy chain
were big enough, we could make KC boots an unattractive financial
proposition for the bootleggers...  (maybe) This doesn't answer the issue
of putting cash into the pockets of the members of the incarnation of KC
that was the subject of the bootleg... maybe we could just all send Robert
a buck or two on our own -- kind of like musical shareware...

>I confess I've
>bought a couple of bootlegs myself so I can't say I am without blame,but to
>openly call for setting up a bootleg web in a forum where you know he's
>to read it is at best insensitive to Fripp and at worst an insult to
>everything he stands for.

I sort of agree... I'd like to see everyone who has bootlegs pass them on
and hope they show up as KCCC releases...

> No wonder we get called a turd.

It's not like we haven't deserved it for various reasons... Somedays I just
know why he puts up with us... ;^)

Dennis M. Parrott
web developer-at-large
dparrott at mich dot com

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 01:20:56 -0800 (PST)
From: vince dot beaney at excite dot com
Subject: Robert Fripp/Iona
This question appeared on the Iona list, I had a look on ET FAQ and couldn't
see anything.

We know Robert Fripp appeared on the albums 'Beyond These Shores' and
'Journey Into the Morn' (as has been discussed here before), as he is
credited on the albums; this question seems to be rather, as to how he got
involved with Iona in the first place.

Nobody on the Iona list seems to have shed much light on this so far other
than a theory that Nick Beggs knew RF and invited him to appear on 'BTS'
(though Nick had left the band by 'JitM'). Does anyone on ET know anymore on

>Anybody can help? Please reply to them directly and CC: to the list :-)

>>From: ONESTREAM4HIM at aol dot com
>>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:16:33 EST
>>Subject: iona
>>To: musictus at musictus dot com
>>X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 47
>>Shalom with an Irish brogue. My wife and I have been admirers of your
>>and to the spiritual dedication of the talents that the ALMIGHTY has
>>the band with,  for many years. One question that I have would be is " how

>>did Mr. Robert Fripp enter into the equation ? " If anyone knows this bit
>>trivia please let this curious couple know. Love you guys ! !  From Tim
>>Sunny Turner { Redding, Calif. USA} Our email address is:
>>Onestream_ministries at hotmail dot com

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:18:59 +0100
From: "Olivier" <O dot HOURTE at noblet dot fr>
Subject: price of European Tour Tickets
Hi everybody,

Just knowing that KC will come to France in June, I ran yesterday to a
Virgin Megastore in Paris to buy a ticket.
And I was just amazed with the price asked : between 230 and 350 FF.
I didn't remember that on the last tour, prices were so high.
I still bought a ticket, but I would like to know why such an increase (is
it due to KC's politics, or to the tour manager ?), and if the prices are so
high in the other countries?
Anyway, I really look forward to see KC again, even if they are no more six
but just four (is it really true?), and even if Bill Bruford does not appear
in this tour (is it also true)?
Does anybody already know the playlist of these concerts ?
Thanks for your answers,


Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:05:41 EST
From: NotoriousAWOL at aol dot com
Subject: Change is good.
I've noticed a common thread among many entries in the digest in my short
time reading them. The resistance to change and the denial of that
resistance. Taking a broad overview, I really give Fripp some major props,
yo. This is an artist who has made the absolute minimum compromises one can
make, I believe, and remain a professional (it's his living) musician. 72-74
was breaking, in the music industry's lingo. Here come the arenas. Industrial
metal way ahead of its time. That band was awesome in the true sense of the
word. However it wasn't what Fripp had envisioned. Just listen To the final
chord of "Exiles" on The Bremen session, then flip to Providence. As delicate
as a mellotron has ever sounded to pomp-rock bluster in less than 2 years.
"Success", yes, but  for whom? He was outta there. His work with Eno during
that time continued his artistic vision without apeing his old band. Then the
producing experience gained. Guest spots with pop stars. Frippertronics. The
"rock gamelan" guitars and cymbal-less drum band. Andy Summers. Guitar Craft.
The "double trio", more a concept than a reality, gamely attempted. This band
recalled a bunch of Crimson past and  brought it to the present in thunderous
refocus. I saw them twice and  when I say thunderous--well almost 5 years
later my ears have finally stopped ringing!  And the projeKcts! How perfectly
consistent with Fripp's musical vision!  " Hey guys I think I hear some music
out there calling us. Let's get together when we can and see if it comes to
us!"  And now , music that only Crimson can play has apparently appeared. And
with it change has occourred. Pat Mastellotto is a commercially succsessful
drummer who has decided to persue learning to play some interesting new music
making equipment in an effort to move forward- do something new. Trey Gunn-an
out of the mainstream Instrument and a craftie- This is  Crimson, people. No,
not your Crimson,or mine. But Music's. Remember ;" Is this true?" I say
yes!Of course, the quality of the music always depends on the quality of our

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:59:07 -0500
From: Warren Melnick <Warren dot Melnick at kentech dot com>
Subject: Deja Vroom and DVD players in general
I bought Deja Vroom almost a year ago and have never had a problem with it
at all.  I have been playing it on a Sony 300 player (stand alone, not

Since many people here seem to be taking the plunge into DVD I thought I
would take a small bit of bandwidth and mention some things about buying DVD

There are a number of things to look for when buying a DVD player.  The
first of which is compatibility.  If you can get your hands on a copy of
"The Matrix" take it (and a copy of Deja Vroom) to the store when looking at
DVD players.  These 2 DVDs seem to test the DVD player to the extreme.  If
you can access 21st century on Deja Vroom and follow the white rabbit on the
Matrix DVD you can be pretty sure the DVD player is going to handle most
DVDs out there.

Second thing to consider:  What other media will you be playing?  Will you
want to play CDs and VideoCDs that you have burned yourself?  If so be sure
that the DVD player you are buying has dual lasers.  Single Laser DVD
players (Toshiba, some mid and high-range Sony, etc) will not play CDRs
well.  Burn a CD or a VCD and tak it with you as well.

Do you want to play DVDs from other regions or perhaps CDRWs?  This pretty
much limits you to the Apex 600A off the shelf in the US.  The current
version which is being replaced as I am writing this not only plays CDRWs
but has a "secret" menu which allows you to change the region code and
defeat Macrovision among other things.  Circuit City has these for $179 but
supposedly the current batch has the extra menu locked out.  You can find
these on EBay for about $260.  However I do not know if these will play Deja
Vroom or The Matrix properly.  I can let you know this in a few days when
mine arrives.  :-)  There are other players in other countries that either
have hidden menus or can be easily modified.  I believe there is a
Wharfedale in the UK that is selling like crazy since the region control was
found.  Remember that region locking is just a move by the movie industry to
limit your choices!  For information on opening up the DVD arena, see

Don't forget to match the DVD player to the receiver you will be connecting
it to.  Dolby Digital (AC-3) and DTS can be supplied is a digital bitstream
in either or both of coax (RCA plug) or optical (TOSLINK) or they can be
decoded onboard the DVD player itself and supplied as 6 analog RCA outputs.
Be sure the outputs on the DVD player match the inputs on your receiver!  If
you are going to buy all new units, try to buy a receiver with lots of
digital inputs because more and more of your components are likely to be
digital as time goes on.

Hope this helps!

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:05:37 PST
From: "Edgar Kausel" <ekausel at hotmail dot com>
Subject: French TV
Is that true? The March 22, 1974 ORTF TV show? Old Crimson official video,
at last? Night Watch, Lament, Starless? Yupeee!

(A bad performance? C'mon...)

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:31:57 EST
From: "Michael Merchant" <goodsmack82 at hotmail dot com>
Subject: I need U.S.A. on C.D.
Hey there now, everyone-
        Just thought I'd drop a question to the fans of the BEST BAND
IN ALL THE LAND. Here it is.

Does anyone out there know where I can find a copy of U.S.A. on C.D.?
I've read on the ET site that it MIGHT be re-released sometime before
the end of the year, or even early 2001. I tried to order a copy from
a bootleg C.D. website about two years ago. They had at least 3 suppliers
listed that could get it (so they claimed). I ordered one for $30 and then
waited...and waited...and waited for about 18 months.
This place was really very rude and impersonal. I told them that I was
tired of waiting and to please send me my money back. It took about
3 months to get my money back and then, once I deposited their check
and thought the whole situation was over and done, their check bounced
and really messed up my checking account. Well, I still search to this
day. Should I just hold on a few more months and wait for either
Virgin Records or DGM to re-release this FINE composition, or can
someone out there direct me to someone who can? Thanks.

My e-mail is GOODSMACK82 at hotmail dot com

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 01:05:52 +0100
From: The Ashies <ashie at euronet dot nl>
Subject: Nightwatch Live
Ian Obermuller asked about the lyrics to Easy money on the Nightwatch live
album.  Well mine definitely says '..they never told me once you were a

Actually, I've always had this idea that the lyrics were '...they never
told me you were a miner'.  I can just imagine a big guy with a dirty face
and one of those hard hats with a lamp on being described as
'.....show(ing) the colour of your crimson suspenders'.  It brings Monty
Python's Lumberjack Song to mind!   I like it!

Pat Ashworth

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:21:36 -0500
From: Andy Acunzo <AACUNZO at mail dot chem dot sunysb dot edu>
Subject: Bruford's online!
Wow, check out this news from Tony Levin's website:

"My pal Bill Bruford, having been dragged, kicking and
screaming, into the computer world, has just started a
web site of his own."

Here's the address: www.billbruford.co.uk/.


Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:33:56 -0500
From: Andy Acunzo <AACUNZO at mail dot chem dot sunysb dot edu>
Subject: More Bruford
Sorry to post again, but after looking around Bruford's website I came
across this great quote from the man from an article in the London Times
last year:

"Any drummer will tell you that I have a fairly limited technical ability,
but what I can do is sell you the drums. I'm comfortable on stage,
I thoroughly enjoy performing, and once I've got you sitting in front of
me, I defy you to resist my drumming."

I don't know about the limited technical ability part, but I just love
the rest of that quote.  It's so true for me.  I can't see enough of
Bruford in concert, he's just mesmerizing.  And you can tell he loves
what he does.  "I defy you to resist my drumming." :)  Great stuff.

Andy Acunzo

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:05:06 +0100
From: jan dot lindsten at borastidning dot se (Jan Lindsten)
Subject: query

I'm a swedish journalist in Boraas, a small town near to Gothenburg on the
west coast.  Me and four friends of mine are great KC fans and listeners
since the early 70's, but haven't yet been able to visit a concert - until
now, in Copenhagen in the 27.th of may.  Since this Copenhagen gig seems to
be the opening of the Euorpean tour, I wonder if there is any plans in the
band of some PR-events, press conference etc..? Do you know where to send
this question? I will be very pleased if you could send an e-mail to my
adress, as follows: jan dot lindsten at borastidning dot se

Yours sincerely
Jan Lindsten
Boraas Tidning

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:28:55 EST
From: Bknt at aol dot com
Subject: The Trial of Norbert Fragg
    We were shocked, shocked, to learn of the arrest of Norbert Fragg,
absteminal and now criminal guitarist and founder of that charming bunch of
fitful, fretful but in no way fretless prog hoppers, Qing Conniption. At a
scantly attended press conference at the venerable Oyld Angleesh hall of
justice, Stale Barley, officials representing the Office of the Inspectors of
Her Magesty's Effluent accused the not famous and not even infamous musician
of committing a "pattern of offensive offenses uncommonly common" pertaining
to the "writing,  recording and foisting" upon a gullible, partially
lobotomized public "dreary music" consisting of  "dismal and pathetic chord
sequences," "depressing, dark and unappealing dirges" with "confusing,
oblique, esoteric or meaningless titles" of a "possible titanic nature" in
10/16, 5/8. 20/32, or Howdy Doody Time.
    The assembled were then inflicted with a three and a half second sample
from "I'm So Bummed Out I'm Going to Make Art, Run It Up the Flagpole and See
if It Flies!" (lyrics by Mondrian Bayou) from the new Qing Conniption record,
the EruCKtation of Spite, after which a respected member of the music press
not named Garbarini quivered and quaked and clutched at herself while her
sister made a joke about her mental health.
    More shocking was that two ET'ers were called as witnesses in Fragg's
offense, which, according to the quaint rituals of English justice, required
them, when not answering questions,  to be bound, gagged and imprisoned in a
wicker cage that would be set afflame by a bewigged incompetent if Fragg was
found innocent.
    Excerpts from the transcript, found in the jammed paper dustbin attached
to the Stale Barley photocopying machine, follow:

Honorable Lord Justice Fantod Wigglesworth: "Mr. Fragg,  this pattern of
yours has been traced to your first recording, The Inimitable Slag of Piles,
Piles and Fragg, in which you appear in a photograph that, when rubbed with a
solution of down market instant coffee and badly steamed milk, reveals the
words aHoy, hoy,' a vile Kabbalistic chant attributed to Hermes
Thrice-ridiculous. Did you believe, even for a minute, that Her Magesty's
Inspectors would let you could get away with such sordidly morbid

Sir Planks Constant, for Mr. Fragg: That was only in the specially printed
American edition, your Lordship, and all five copies of which were specially
printed in the expectation of vast and effortless profit, a generous portion
of which, your Lordship, would have been paid to Inland Revenue, if the
recordings hadn't been purchased in error and used as shotgun targets by a
right-wing militia notable for their imaginative violence and eccentric sense
of humor. (What was that? Mr. Fragg, t you're not permitted to speak in these
proceedings but if seek my attention you'll have to...What was that? Fudge?
They caught you licking fudge? What does that have to do with easy money?)

Sir Avagardros Number, for Her Magesty's Effluent, questioning witness Jiffy
the Affluent Shrew, an occasional poster to ET: You expect this court of old,
dodgy, stupid old Englishmen to believe, even for a minute, that you, an
extremely wealthy and influencial manufacturer of genetically altered
transplantable kidney pies, enjoy the accused's simpering soupcon of
salacious swill?

Jiffy: Yup.

Sir Number, interviewing Zed Night (Dr. Z), "You maintained a radio program
of questionable music on a non-profit station that was obliterated due to a
lack of funds while you were simultaneously editing a science fiction
magazine that published dubious fantasies based on Grateful Dead songs, and
yet, you persist in expressing incorrect and dangerous opinions on the
accused's torpid tunes, dismal drones, soporific symphonica"

Night: People said the same about Miles Davis. They said the same about the
works of Bartok, Stravinsky, Scriabin, Polenc, Beethoven, Schuman, Brahms,
Berg, Webern and Schoenberg. And, despite what you want to believe, words can
hurt. I consider Rick Astley a personal friend, and many, many, many times,
Rick and I have discussed how people who want art to please them can become
angry, and seem foolish, when they blame the art or the artist for doing
something they don't like.

Sir Number: But we are speaking, sir, of Norbert Fragg.

Night: Is this Courtroom XIV?

His Lordship: Know by all men present that this is Courtroom XIII. Will the
bailiff direct the witness to Courtroom XIV, where I believe Mr. Astley is
accused of being too puny.

Bailiff: Pardon, Your Lordship. Mr. Fragg is being accused of not being Mr.
Astley. aE might make piddling announcements between songs, but ol' Fraggy
woddn't play the songbird.

His Lordship: Are you saying that this man isn't being who and what we say he
is? How perfectly awful!

Bailiff: Precisely, Your Lordship.

His Lordship: Court is hereby adjourned so the Court may obtain Mr. Astley's
autograph. You know, my daughter adored him before she went on
anti-depressants. Made her lose her libido, thank the Lord....

Bill Kent

Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:48:07 -0800
From: studio seventeen productions <ambient at adnc dot com>
Subject: Rare Fripp / League cassettes
hello ETers,

just wanted to let you know I am reluctantly parting with my near-mint
condition copies of the GET CRAFTY I and HOW I BECAME A PROFESSIONAL
GUITARIST cassettes (both cassette only and quite rare), up for auction now
on ebay.  I'm the original owner, having bought both of these at a Guitar
Craft course back in 1990.

Please visit www.ebay.com and search for seller id "ambient17" or for the
individual items



for full details and scans of the cassette labels.

thanks and cheers,

dave at studio seventeen

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:23:44 GMT
From: "cold female" <cold_female58 at hotmail dot com>
Subject: Krim bootlegs and the BPI
Krimson fans, We could well be in for a real treat it seems based on what
I've just read, go to Robert's site and look at DGM UK office news (left
hand side of page). A bootlegger caught in the UK?. As far as I know, the
BPI are in London and it is UK news not USA news, BPI not FBI. A vast hoard
suggests the bootlegger is (was) a major dealer in Krim boots, maybe lots of
other artistes too?.

I've seen the odd dealer at record fairs and cassette sellers behind market
stalls, they seem to offer a good range of what people call prog rock. Music
magazine articles I've read state that Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Beatles etc
are the most bootlegged artists.

If the bootlegger lost all stock, do you have all of it Robert?
What other artists are there?
Are there bootlegs of your solo career, projects and string quintet for

Like most fans I hope we get lots more CC releases, especially now. At least
the BPI bust resulted in the vast hoard going to the rightful owner. The BPI
and bootleggers related to Krim seems to have been in the media an awful lot
recently. I remember posts on the guestbook and one guy complaining that
he'd been spammed by what he thought may have been some boot dealer. Only a
month or two ago there was a long letter in Record Collector magazine and
before that there was a documentary on the television about the BPI working
to stop the bootleg industry, seems they have recently cleaning up!. I guess
Robert you must be pleased and surprised at the delivery of such a vast
hoard (as you put it)?. This has to be the communication mentioned in your
diary recently?.

So, for us real enthusiasts that don't burn Robert, this must surely be the
best news collecting wise since the inception of the club. Over to you
Robert, Great Deceiver box set 2 perhaps?, or more 1969 shows?. Please share
your news and good fortune with us all.

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 10:30:19 -0500
From: Carlos Pacheco <cpacheco at mps dot com dot pe>
Subject: Screensavers
Hi crims:

I"m looking for screensaver about KC in Internet, the covers of cds are
amazing and originals look like paintings
May I help in this subject


Carlos  Pacheco  Raguz

Mike Stok