Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #631 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 631 Tuesday, 1 February 2000 Today's Topics: NEWS: Apologies NEWS: New ET Survey NEWS: The Trey Gunn Band tour dates NEWS: David Cross and Noisy Records NEWS: Guitar Craft Courses in New Jersey Question: The Great Deceiver Poseidon, Lizard, Islands remasters November Suite: big time soundscapes! Re: CD Silence RE: Robert vs Bob Re: Robert Fripp & The Roches RE: Robert Fripp & The Roches Alan Moore & Robert Fripp, take 3 Fripp & the Roches More (Bare-Faced) Shameless Self-Promotion Negative Physiological Impact of New King Crimson? What is the P The Projects and audiences 2 second gap Re: Robert Fripp & The Roches K C Nashville show the vrooom sessions Re: Robert Fripp & The Roches ET FAQ - Deja Vroom The Forgotten Continent A few niggles re: Measuring Odd Times Fripp in commercial? Labels and their labels USA Deception tracks Left-handed Ovation acoustic made? 21st Century mikes on 21st CSM? 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:19:50 GMT From: moderator at elephant-talk dot com Subject: NEWS: Apologies Hi everyone Apologies for the lack an ET for the last 10 days or so -- I've been away in the States on business. Back now... to the back-log! Cheers, Toby ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 03:08:50 EST From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: NEWS: New ET Survey ETers, We haven't had a new ET Survey since November 1998, so it is about time we had one. Survey #9, now posted, asks questions concerning the King Crimson Collectors' Club and the BootlegTV concept. The survey runs until Feb. 25th, so stop by ET Web at http://www.elephant-talk.com/ and submit your answers. Cheers, Dan ET Web ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:00:37 EST From: Treyg at aol dot com Subject: NEWS: The Trey Gunn Band tour dates Here are the current tour dates for The Trey Gunn Band. Please check with the local promoters, for things CAN change at the last minute. There are two tentative dates, and they are marked: (Tentative!) The touring band is myself and Randy Strom on touch guitars, Tony Geballe on guitar and saz (Turkish stringed instrument) and Bob Muller on drums, tabla and percussion. We'll be out supporting the new Discipline Records release "The Joy of Molybdenum, " which be available at www.treygunn.com within a week, DGM mail order on Feb. 1st, and in stores in the USA on March 6th. Feb. 1 Arcata, CA Humboldt State U. Feb. 1 Arcata, CA Cafe Tomo Feb. 2 Sacramento, CA Big Shots w/Victor Wooten (Tentative!) Feb. 3 Los Angeles, CA Jack's Sugar Shack Feb. 5 Santa Barbara, CA (Goleta, CA) The Mercury Lounge w/ CGT Feb. 6 San Luis Obispo, CA SLO Brewery Feb. 7 San Fran, CA Great American w/Michael Manring (Tentative!) Feb. 8 Santa Cruz, CA Palookaville Feb. 10 Eugene, OR WOW Hall Feb. 11 Seattle, WA I Spy Feb. 12 Portland, OR The Tonic(3100 NE Sandy Blvd.) cheers, tg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 18:10:31 EST From: Noisynoisy at aol dot com Subject: NEWS: David Cross and Noisy Records A Happy New Year to everyone! On-line credit card sales are now available from the Noisy Records website (www.noisy.co.uk). I am offering 3 David Cross CDs including Exiles (featuring Robert Fripp, John Wetton and Peter Hammill ) and 3 King Crimson albums. All are available autographed by yours truly. Please take the time to have a look at the site Very best wishes, David Cross ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:07:04 -0500 From: "NJ Guitar Circle Registrar" Subject: NEWS: Guitar Craft Courses in New Jersey The New Jersey Guitar Circle will be hosting two Guitar Craft Courses in September 2000. The courses will be conducted by Robert Fripp, with the assistance of Frank Sheldon, Curt Golden and Tony Geballe. 1) GUITAR CRAFT, LEVEL ONE, September 2-8. The Level One is open to guitarists at any experience level, including none at all. All work will be done on steel string acoustic guitars and will focus on the fundamentals of pick-style technique using the Guitar Craft Standard Tuning for the guitar. 2) GUITAR CRAFT, LEVEL TWO+, September 1-10. This course is open to guitarists who have already attended a Level One course and wish to extend their experience and understanding of this approach to the guitar and music. In addition to these two Guitar Craft courses, the NJGC will be hosting a weekend: INTRODUCTION TO THE NEW STANDARD TUNING with Curt Golden and Frank Sheldon, April 14-16, 2000. This workshop will introduce the basic elements of technique and is open to beginners at every level. It is recommended for anyone planning on attending the Level One in September. It is also appropriate for players with Guitar Craft experience who wish to reconnect and refresh. To make an application to any of these courses, contact the New Jersey Guitar Circle Registrar at: registrar at njcircle dot com or send a letter to: NJGC Registrar c/o J. Brainin 281 Forest Rd. South Orange, NJ 07079-1630 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:40:23 -0500 From: steven dot ward at houmatoday dot com Subject: Question: The Great Deceiver Hi, I'm a new member to the newsletter. My name is Steven Ward. I have a question. Is there a release date for the re-release of The Great Deceiver box set? Thanks, Steven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:13:16 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Poseidon, Lizard, Islands remasters Hi, folks: The latest Artist Shop Newsletter is out and you'll find it in its entirety at . Here's a few tidbits for King Crimson fans. One our DGM page you'll find info on the following forthcoming releases. King Crimson/In the Wake of Poseidon, Lizard and Islands - Special limited edition of the legendary English prog rock group's phenomenal second, third and fourth albums in deluxe packaging. Digitally remastered by Robert Fripp himself using 24 bit technology, they comes in unique, limited edition, cardboard stock gatefold sleeve just as the original vinyl LP's with the original artwork & sleeve notes intact. These newly remastered versions will eventually revert to a standard jewel case packaging. (Please note - it is not known at this time which of the two different 'Islands' covers will be used for this release.) KING CRIMSON-COLLECTORS' KING CRIMSON VOL 2 (3CD) (import). Japanese issue of second volume of collectable King Crimson. First disc contains 6 tracks recorded live at Cap D' Agde in'82 with 3 bonus live tracks from Frejus in'82. Total of 32 tracks on 3 discs. And coming in February are some classic Herbie Mann reissues from Wounded Bird . Normally I would never even think of mentioning Herbie Mann in Elephant Talk. But as I was going over the information on the four reissues, one in particular caught my eye - Herbie Mann/London Underground. This is the first time this classic album has been issued on CD anywhere in the world. Jazz great's '74 release recorded in London and originally released on Atlantic. Among such guests as guitarists Mick Taylor and Albert Lee, and violinist Stephane Grappelli just happens to be Ian McDonald on saxophone. I haven't heard this album before, so I can't comment on Ian's participation. But when it comes out in February, I'll let you know. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:09:41 +0100 From: "Christian Skina" Subject: November Suite: big time soundscapes! Am I talking old news? I don't know when the November Suite came out on cd. I'm not surfing that often but 3 weeks ago, while doing so, I found it on the DGM page. Though I don't think music experience can be shared through words I'd like to tell you about the joy these soundscapes brought me. Often that Fripp's music was talking to my heart but now I felt my heart was talking back. We're not living in a culture valuing such words, they're also too common a place, hardly telling anything in particular. Yet, maybe one of you might understand my emotional response to this music. Just a while ago I came across another composer's cd: Athos by Micus. Though different than November Suites, it helped me engage in the same experience. If you have listened to one of these and know any other composer working in the same direction, please let me know. Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:15:53 -0500 From: Warren Melnick Subject: Re: CD Silence In ET 630, James Hannigan states: >Has anyone else had this problem? On discs such as P4 (collectors' club) >and the 1982 collectors' club disc, in between tunes, as the timer on >the player winds down from say 3 seconds to 1, the sound disappears then >reappears as the next tune starts. The only non-KC disc I've noticed >this on is Bob Dylan's 1966 Live album that recently came out. Anybody >else have this problem or know how to fix it? This has to do with how to CD is mastered. The 2 second insert between tracks happens when a CD is made "track-at-once" and the laser is turned off between tracks. For one track to end right where the next one begins the disc needs to be mastered as "Disc at once" which writes the entire image at one time without ever turning off the laser. This has nothing to do with your CD player. The only way around this would be to RIP the CD to WAV files and burn a new copy disc-at-once. Hope it helps, Warren PS1: Anyone have a way to convert vqf files to WAV? I think vqf is Liquid Audio. I am hoping to not have to use Total recorder or go to DAT, but rather find a direct way to do it like we did with the WMA files and WinAMP 2.24. PS2: I found some old DATs of KC stuff. One of them was from NYC during the week that the Beatles released Anthology I. It opened with a piano-and-voice version of the Free As A Bird demo done by (I believe) Adrian. Very funny stuff because he only knew the first set of lyrics. The audience seemed to both appreciate it and get a laugh out of it at the same time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:21:01 -0500 From: Bob Pascarella Subject: RE: Robert vs Bob ===== "Bob Your name of Bob gives you self-assurance, ...yada yada yada." "Robert Your name of Robert gives you the desire to understand,...yada, yada, yada." "interesting, if not very accurate. or maybe so, it's something RF would know better than any of us." Bob P. replies: Maybe if RF consumed enough Chinese food he might collect the number of fortune cookies it would take to come to these same conclusions about the significance of Robert vs Bob. Or maybe he would be more likely to aquire such information from tea bag tags. Bob P. (AKA Robert) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 12:56:09 -0500 From: "Paul A. O'Rear" Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & The Roches Peter Geddes asks: >>One more thing: the album, "The Roches", bears the stamp >>"Produced in audio verite by Robert Fripp". Any idea what this refers >>to? >From the American Webster dictionary entry for "cinema verite": ci.ne.ma ve.ri.te n. A style of filmmaking that stresses unbiased realism. [French cinema-verite : cinema, cinema + verite, truth.] the analog would be "a style of music making/production that stresses unbiased realism." Also, yes, Mr. Fripp was living in NYC during those years. Paul ___________________________________________________________ Paul A. O'Rear Ph: 717.502.1906 WUGNET Sysop & Microsoft MVP Sageline Software | Helpful Solutions http://www.sageline.com | http://www.helpfulsolutions.com mailto:pao at sageline dot com | mailto:pao at helpfulsolutions dot com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 13:00:47 -0500 From: charles dot jowett at waters dot com Subject: RE: Robert Fripp & The Roches >Subject: Robert Fripp & The Roches > >There is a photo on the back of "Keep on Doing" that shows Fripp >playing acoustic guitar (it does not appear to be an Ovation)with >The Roches in what appears to be a live setting. Were there gigs >played? I do not know where that particular photo was taken but I did have the priviledge of seeing the Roches live at Carnagie Hall in 1981 or 1982? just after "Keep on Doing" was released. As the concert started, I noticed a Roland Jazz Chorus amplifier and a black Les Paul guitar on the left side of the stage. Sure enough, Robert Fripp joined the Roaches playing electric guitar on the Hammond Song and a number of the tracks from "Keep on Doing". At the end of one song, he walked up to the microphone and blew a raspberry! Who ever said Mr. Fripp doesn't have a sense of humour? Charles The Tenth Planet - Free CD now available http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stadium/3597/ http://members.tripod.com/~the10planet/ MP3 tracks are available at: http://www.mp3.com/artists/47/the_tenth_planet.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:06:30 -0500 From: Ted White Subject: Alan Moore & Robert Fripp, take 3 Jeremy quotes an earlier post and responds: >Hello, > I would like to point out a connection I think between Alan Moore >(comic book writer of Miracle Man, the Watchmen, etc.) and King >Crimson. I think there are some subtle references to King Crimson [...] "Hmm, from the interviews and such I have read, Alan Moore has never mentioned Fripp. Also, I have a feeling that it would be a very odd fit, as Moore is more of a mystic than anything else. Having the two of them in a room would probably be... interesting to say the least." I met Alan in 1986 in Britain and spent a couple of hours with him in conversation. He's a fascinating person and someone I enjoyed talking with, but the subject of Robert Fripp and King Crimson never came up once. --TW (Dr.P) DC-ET #6 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:15:06 -0500 From: Ted White Subject: Fripp & the Roches Peter.K.Geddes asks: "Anybody know how Robert Fripp got hooked up with the Roches? Fripp was indeed living in NYC at the time and was friends with the Roches. He occasionally enjoyed breakfast, or doing laundry with them. He produced the album in question. "In audio verite" means that he kept it simple -- no production tricks -- in order to capture the live real experience faithfully. --TW (Dr.P) DC-ET #6 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:38:07 -0000 From: "Lee Fletcher" Subject: More (Bare-Faced) Shameless Self-Promotion Hey Folks, I hope that my fellow ETers won't mind this shameless use of bandwidth, albeit in the spirit of "finding one's audience" ;-) If you are interested in loop-orientated music then you are duly invited to peruse my website which includes a small (but growing) selection of MP3 'tunes' available for free download :- http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk I am currently compiling a CD of recent / future works, details of which can also be found at my site. Thanks for the space. I look forward to your visit... Regards Lee Fletcher http://www.waterleat.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:03:33 -0600 From: "Fenkner, Mark" Subject: Negative Physiological Impact of New King Crimson? What is the P Over the past few years King Crimson has become much more dissonant and atonal. Some might call it abrasive, dark, even negative. I have bought many of their newer releases and though I have tried many times to listen to them, I have found the music unpleasant and lacking any appreciable qualities beyond its technical musicianship. Two years ago I had the opportunity to see one of the Project shows and during the performance I observed the reactions of myself and the audience. My own reaction was best summed up by the idea: "some music should not be listened to by children because it could have a negative physiological impact on them" - this music was a good example. As I looked around the theatre, I suspected that many people had the same unsettled feeling about the music and after the show when I spoke to some people, they agreed. I have often tried to observe Robert Fripp and King Crimson from a functional perspective - "The man with an aim." I myself have spent time studying the 4th Way and I am currently involved in a similar active tradition, so I have tried to use these backgrounds as terms of reference. Most of Mr. Fripp's behavior is extremely lucid and very educational, but the current music of King Crimson baffles me. I admit I have no knowledge of "objective music" (music that has a specific impact upon man - if such a thing exists) beyond the speculative but I would dare to guess that if an experiment was devised to test the music's impact on living organisms (plants, for example) it would prove to be detrimental. There are many different ways to approach the creative process, but I would think any responsible approach would take into consideration its impact upon the audience. If I could ask one "burning question" to Mr. Fripp, it would be: What is the intended impact of King Crimson's music on its audience? Sincerely, Mark Fenkner mark dot fenkner at wilcom dot com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:13:03 +0000 From: Andrew Jones Subject: The Projects and audiences Its been interesting to hear people's reactions to the Vroom rehearsals; its good to hear their enthusiasm. Alfred Bello said "This IS King Crimson. The Projekcts is not King Crimson. What happened to these marvelous musicians since then? What is this Projekcts Box set "musical" mistake? What has gotten into all these people who drool at whatever Fripp decides to release? How can Fripp influence these fine musicians into fooling around with unlistenable improvisations?" I disagree. Having had the Projects box set for Xmas, I'm still absorbing the 4CDs of music (incidentally are other people like me, in so far as if the music has no lyrics you take a longer time to come to a definitive view of its musical worth?, but it fills me with an expectation of great things from the next Crimson album. To my surprise, Project One was the least inspired of the Projects- I felt Bill Bruford's drumming just didn't flow and propel the music. Still each to their own RS said on the P2 photo incident. "If you can't enjoy anything without a beer buzz, you're pathetic. Has anyone observed this? I guess I expect this more at a Jethro Tull show than at a KC concert. You'd hope the fans would be a little more into the music." I saw Tull last November at the St David's Hall in Cardiff and the audience very much reminded me of a Japanese live album- perfect silence when the band played and a 2 second pause after the song ended before thunderous applause began. Perhaps Tull audiences are more rowdy elsewhere. So if Mr Fripp is reading a King Crimson show at the St David's Hall could well be filled with an attentive audience. A gentle hint..... Andrew Jones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:31:08 +0000 From: umrk at home dot com Subject: 2 second gap >Has anyone else had this problem? On discs such as P4 (collectors' club) >and the 1982 collectors' club disc This is the dreaded 2 second gap. It ruins continuous live recordings everywhere. It should not happen on an official CD (I DON'T REMEMBER NOTICING IT ON MINE). Sounds like your player or your CDs are a bit off. But it can be easily fixed with a burner and some decent Burning software. You just select the Disc-At-Once option, and re-copy it. JZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 09:39:20 -0500 From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & The Roches At 06:46 AM 1/18/00 GMT, Peter.K.Geddes wrote: >One more thing: the album, "The Roches", bears the stamp >"Produced in audio verite by Robert Fripp". Any idea what this refers >to? Both those albums are great, by the way. My impression was that Audio Verite meant that the recordings for the songs were of actual, finished performances. That is to say, I don't think there were any overdubs. And yes, I agree with your assessment of those two albums as well. A few years ago I caught a performance of The Roches at Oberlin College's Finney Chapel (Crimson and Bruford have also played there). I got a chance to chat with them afterward. When the subject of Fripp came up (and it was probably me who brought it up, of course), both Maggie and Terre commented quite positively on working with him and said they'd love to do it again. At that moment Suzzy wasn't within earshot and so I didn't get a comment from her on it. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:30:26 -0600 From: "WORTUD" Subject: K C Nashville show How can I get tickets to the "Nashville warm-up"? I live in Florida, thus need to know how to get tickets before I make travel plans. Thank you for your time. Tim Dutrow 66 Buddy st. Santa Rosa Bch, Fla 32459 e-mail: wortud at digitalexp dot com Ph # 850-267-1735 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:20:59 +0100 From: "Christian Isendahl" Subject: the vrooom sessions Hi all! Having not renewed my first year membership in the KCCC (except for being kind of expensive, it appeared to me to begin on its second round) I didn't receive The Vrooom Sessions, a cd that now unheard leaves me utterly intrigued and interested. For this reason I wonder if there is any of you good folks out there that would like to part ways with his/her copy of The Vrooom Sessions Cd in exchange for any of the following: 1. John Wetton and Richard Palmer-James: Monkey Business 1972-1997. Includes early primitive versions of parts of Easy Money and Starless, among other gems. 2. King Crimson: B'Boom. 2CDs. 3. Primus: Brown Album. 4. Grid: Evolver. Techno wich includes Robert Fripp on guitar. 5. Reeves Gabrels: The sacred squall of now. All in good condition, of course. Other suggestions may be considered. Please email me privately at: pcisendahl at telia dot com Thanks!/Christian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:00:27 -0500 From: Miner Gleason Subject: Re: Robert Fripp & The Roches Peter.K.Geddes wrote: > Anybody know how Robert Fripp got hooked up with the Roches? I don't know how Robert Fripp hooked up with the Roches to begin with, but I had the pleasure of seeing the Roches at Town Hall in NYC c. 1982. My dear sweet wife surprised me with tickets as a Birthday present, and they put on a wonderful show. And Mr. Fripp came on stage to sit in on a number or two! I have a pretty strong recollection that "Hammond Song" from "The Roches" was one of the tunes. You know, I haven't listened to those albums in years. Time to go rummage around in the CD cabinet :-) -- cheers, miner home: http://www.ipass.net/~starwolf band: http://www.ShakedownWizards.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:28:05 -0500 From: DOUG dot OTTE at carefirst dot com Subject: ET FAQ - Deja Vroom I just noticed the following item in the ET FAQ: "Multiple angles: when the multiple camera angle feature is employed, as in 'Vector Patrol', the soundtrack halts until the specific angle is selected. (It is not known if this is simply a matter of preference or a true "bug")." I never use Vector Control, but when I select multiple angles by pressing the remote's angle button during a song, I've never had this problem. Instead, my player (Toshiba 2109) doesn't change the angle for approximately 2-3 seconds, but during that time the soundtrack continues to play & does not halt. I do know that the 2109 has a problem (on any DVD) that other players don't have: pressing play after scanning brings one to a point beyond where the scan stopped. So, maybe the halting is a hardware-specific problem for some players. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 20:55:08 +1100 From: "greg forster" Subject: The Forgotten Continent An open letter to Mr.Fripp. I've been an avid reader, and occasional (very) contributor to E.T. for quite a period of time now. I also peruse Mr.Fripp's diary on a regular basis, and purchase many a CD form Discipline (the whole catalogue, in fact). I hope this achieves the degree of "cred" required. Our veritable oracle, in recent times, has (along with Mr.Gunn) been keeping eager fans informed with the progress of Crimson's new recording (we are duly salivating with brimming anticipation), and in even more recent times he has touched on pencilled-in dates for a 2000 tour of Europe,U.S.A. and Japan. Now, this is all well and good! I'm very happy for for lucky residents of these places. But, the world is a big place. Huge, in fact! Down the bottom of our beautiful blue planet. lurking south of the equator, is a major land mass (discovered by no less than Captain James Cook - along with miscellaneous Dutch,Portugese etc etc explorers). Sure, the biggest proportion of this fair from insignificant land mass is near-uninhabitated desert, but it IS big! In 1970 and 1971 King Crimson managed to chart their first two albums in this country's top ten, and their third in the top twenty. Now that's a damn fine effort by any standards. Each of those recordings would have had to sell...oh, a squillion copies to achieve that! Well okay, a few thousand then (probably a maximum of 5,000). The point is though, given that 30 years ago Australia's population consisted of a few thousand natives (of numerous and equally dubious ethnic origins - mainly criminal), living a semi-nomadic existence and residing in ill-kempt shanty towns that still required one to bucket water from a nearby river while the 'roo (unskinned) was cooking on the communal camp fire, it WAS a significant achievement. Especially for a band who received virtually no airplay on our "extensive" native wireless network (dominated, then as today, by unimaginative programming). Now, it is high time Mr.Fripp and his illustrious colleagues considered packing an extra suitcase, taking a deep breath, boarding a QANTAS jumbo and sleeping their way through a long flight to Oz - the land of untapped wealth. Hey, we've got the Olympics, you know (you can even get a ticket if you're obscenely rich or got the right connections). Just think, you could land here in September and you would have a captive audience. Let's face it , half Europe, U.S.A. and Japan will already be here! Now, I know it's expensive. There's all that sophisticated equipment (but we do have electricity now), instruments, crew and other personal effects to carry, so to eleviate some of that expense I've hit upon a cunning plan. ou can stay at my mum's! I can feel you warming to it already. Mum's got a big place - plenty of room. There's only her and she's got heaps of spare beds and camp stretchers. And just think: home cooked meals, homely comforts and telly (although the video's a bit wonky). She'll probably even do your washing and ironing! To top that all off, she's also got a dog who loves nothing better than chasing a frisbee around the backyard. How relaxing and stress-free can you get? I haven't asked her yet, but I'm sure it won't be a problem - she used to like the Beatles: "such lovely clean, well-groomed lads". To help you out further, I'll meet you at Melbourne's Tullamarine airport in my car (it's a 1981 two-door Holden Gemini station-wagon). I may need a few trips to get you and all your gear to mum's, but it shouldn't take any more than a week or two. And even then, I'm sure my brother (who has agreed to help) will stay on at the airport and guard the stuff until the job's completed. He'll even keep you entertained with stories of his sexual conquests - once he starts there's no stopping him. So, there we have it. Accomodation,transportation, entertainment and an eager bevy of fans, Australia-wide, just waiting for that big QANTAS jumbo to touch down at the airport. I await your response, and in the meantime I'll check with my mum. Oh dear, I've just had a horrible thought. What if Mr. Fripp DOES accept my hard-to-refuse offer?! Mum will kill me! I'd best warn her that a dishevelled entourage of drug-addled pop-stars (not unlike the Beatles in appearance) are imminent. Oh God, she's gonna make a fuss. I just know it! Your kindest regards, Greg Forster. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:51:56 +0000 From: mph2 Subject: A few niggles I received the ProjeKcts box set for my birthday last week from a woman who obviously loves me too much, and though I am generally finding the contents most enjoyable and stimulating, there are some little niggles that I'd like to share: (a) The booklets that come with the CDs contain an untoward number of regrettable infelicities both in terms of spelling and grammar. If at any time the folks who print these things should need to engage the services of a professional proof reader, I should be most happy to offer my services. In any case a little more care and attention would not go amiss. (b) More importantly, can I raise an objection to the all-too-common practice nowadays of the art rock album 'hidden bonus track'? Whereas in the past this practice had value in terms of surprise and subversiveness, it has now become a routine cliche to get to the end of an album and then have to sit through a minute of silence in order to hear the weird noises bunged on at the end. It makes sense aesthetically on P2 to have a break between the tracks and the recording of the photography incident, but on P3 and P4 it's just annoying. KC was one of the first bands (with ITCOTCK and Islands, for instance) to use this strategy, and for that reason they should have been one of the first to reject it and move on. If the objection one might raise to this argument is that there is value in the recording of silence, then why not insert silence in places either more logical (e.g. between the Right and Left Sides of Three of a Perfect Pair) or more unexpected? There are many other subversive techniques that have been woefully underutilised (e.g. the playing of one track over the top of another on The Devil's Triangle; harsh and unsympathetic editing on the version of Larks' Tongues in Aspic 3 on the Frame by Frame box set; the linking of studio recording to live recording on The Night Watch; etc.) that have much greater value if the aim is, in a Brechtian way, to undermine or simply to highlight the status of a produced artefact as produced artefact. (c) I don't like this designation 'Double Duo'. The new line-up is, let's not beat around the bush, a quartet. The last line-up had an internal symmetry (two drummers, two stickists, two guitarists) that made the designation of 'Double Trio' pertinent and also handily linked in with that wonderful 'goddess Eris/K joined to reversed C' symbol used on the artwork (shame those Discordian prats use it too). 'Double Trio' suggests the possibility of fractalisation, and the merging together of potentially independent units into a whole greater than the sum of its parts. The term 'Double Duo' does not carry the same resonance at all, and its use can only be justified if the intention is ironical. Hope people don't mind. Can't wait to hear the new album. Let's keep our fingers crossed they fix up dates at some venues in the UK. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:36:13 -0800 From: "Jerry Cohen" Subject: re: Measuring Odd Times To Dan B. (from ET #629) Dan said: To Jordan:Try counting the accents or the spaces the notes actually occupy--ratherthan a 'measure'--and I think you'll be (more--or less?) exact.-- We must be having a misunderstanding here. It doesn't matter how many notes are in, say, in a bar of 7/8, it could be silence, that bar is a specific length of time. Of course, determining whether a part of a piece is in a given time signature depends on accents and such, but in rock (and other) music it's fairly easy to tell where the '1' falls. Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 17:49:09 -0800 (PST) From: paul bartholet Subject: Fripp in commercial? I was watching TV yesterday and I caught a commercial for a company called Web MD. The backround music for this commercial sounded very much like a Fripp Soundscape, perhaps from the Live in Argentina Recording. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 04:23:49 EST From: DanKirkd at aol dot com Subject: Labels and their labels The topic of the "prog rock" label and how it is disdained by many so called "prog rock" musicians, such as Robert Fripp, has been discussed before in ET. Some of you might be interested in reading the following article at http://cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/17/wb.windhamhill/index.html in which the label "new age" is discussed with respect to Windham Hill artists, such as Will Ackerman and George Winston (and how they don't particularly like it). Of course we hear of "heavy metal" bands who'd rather not be called that and so on. So is there a way to get around this? Can more appropriate labels be created that more closely match the music? Certainly some type of helpful classification should exist. But then what if a band or artist changes their format? Are they forever classified with the label/format they started out in? Can technology provide solutions mere CDs in bins don't do now? Just a few thoughts, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:29:54 -0000 From: "TLS" Subject: USA I wonder is anyone can shed any light on the album USA (1974). I have a well-worn vinyl copy, but can not track down a CD version. Has it made it to this format yet? if not are there any plans? regards Nick nick at wenhamcom dot demon dot co dot uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 12:51:07 PST From: "Alfred Dodson" Subject: Deception tracks Greetings and Salutations I'm wondering which tracks make up the Deception of the thrush Cd. particularly which tracks from P3-Masque and P4 Ghost as well as the P3/P4 edit of deception. please help. email me privately at adodson19 at hotmail dot com thanks Alfred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:05:43 -0500 From: "Dan B." Subject: Left-handed Ovation acoustic made? Figured I'd 'network' fellow E-T readers and ask if anybody knows about possible left-handed Ovation acoustic guitars (the recommended model for Guitar Craft). I am considering attending the NJ seminar; and there must have been other lefties who have taken Guitar Craft over the years. Didn't see any mention of ordering lefty acoustics at the Ovation site. Maybe somebody knows of a dealer, or could recommend a different acoustic guitar that is available in a left-handed version (rather not re-string, etc.), if the Ovation is not available in lefty mode--or only as a custom order? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:38:31 +1100 From: nailet Subject: 21st Century Hi Can anyone help with a transcription of the middle section of 21st Century Schizoid man? There are a few notes I seem to be missing, possibly due to the condition of my record! Thanks Gregg gregg at adairfire dot com dot au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:03:04 -0600 From: Danny Wright Subject: mikes on 21st CSM? There's been a recent discussion on E-Mule (Gov't Mule email list) about ceramic microphones and it has been claimed that this is what Crimson used on 21st Century Schizoid Man. (Mule broke this song out at midnite on NYE - finally heard it yesterday, an excellent though too short rendition with a good improv jam mixed in with the original jamming). The liner notes on the album aren't much help and I'm not an expert on microphones anyway - I didn't even know it was a ceramic mike until the discussion there came up. Just listening to various Crimson versions (from the "Schizoid Man" release) it sounds as though Boz Burrell was using something similar (on the Earthbound excerpt) to what Lake used on the studio album (or is that just his voice? ). The first version (Lake on vocals from '69) and the last version (Wetton in '74) on that release they seem to be using no special vocal effects. 1 more question I have is what part of the song is "Mirrors"? I only recall ever seeing it listed on ITCOTCK even though I haven't really picked up that there is any part that they didn't play elsewhere, unless it's supposed to be the short intro on the album. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:41:17 +0000 From: John Peacock Subject: Mellotron sample thing Hey, Has anyone notice the Eels use a sample of a Thrak-era Fripp Mellotron (from Dinosaur, I think) on thei new single "Mr E's Beautiful Blues" (about three-quarters of the way through - a straight lift fom the album with drums under it)? Does Bob know? Am I the last to find out again? -- In the spirit of shameless self promotion, my songs may be found at: http://www.mp3.com/peacock "sell yourself, sell yourself, expect nothing" as a sage saith. ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #631 ********************************