Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #630 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 630 Monday, 17 January 2000 Today's Topics: The VROOOM sessions 1994 Fripp on "I fall up" Time is the key??? Re: P2 Live groove reflections '83 Belew interview online Uncredited Guitar Part Re: Alan Moore and King Crimson Network CRIMSON's POSITION in Russia in 1989 Unnecessary feeback Visceral Adrian Michael Giles & Hunter Muskett Arguments, Agreements ... P2 Photo Incident CD silence? Japanese version of "Live at The Marquee" ET protocol? Converting 'Live In Mexico City' to audio Robert Fripp & The Roches Problems with "Deja Vrooom" on Apple G4? question no vrooom session? Music quest... vroom sessions first impressions.... 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ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 15:15:29 -0800 (PST) From: Alfred Bello Subject: The VROOOM sessions 1994 Happy new year to all the ET family! Well, contrary to what some people think, God does sometimes smile... I have just received and am currently hearing the VROOOM sessions for the second time. The least that can be said is that Crimson's first release of the last year of this century is amazingly good and is the best I've heard from them since Space Groove. This IS King Crimson. The Projekcts is not King Crimson. What happened to these marvelous musicians since then? What is this Projekcts Box set "musical" mistake? What has gotten into all these people who drool at whatever Fripp decides to release? How can Fripp influence these fine musicians into fooling around with unlistenable improvisations? I shuddered when I listened to Thrackattak, and it seems that that type of thing is what is called the future King Crimson. I sincerely hope they decide (or Fripp decides) on making music again. Not all of the Projeckts music is trash. It does have brilliant moments, but it is just that, moments. For heaven's sake, I've been listening to Crimson all my life and have seen them 4 times (first time at the Rainbow Theater in London in 1973). Very few of the good moments of the Projeckts appear in A Beginners' Guide To Projekcts. But the VROOOM sessions is another story. - Bass Groove is fantastic (reminds me in certain parts of Seizure, on P4's The Roar of P4) - Fashionable has a certain Elephant Talk beat to it. Very nice. - Monster Jam begind with Frippertronics, after a while Pat starts drumming for about 5 minutes(Bill's drums aren't usually tuned to sound like that) then more Frippertronics, then more drumming, Projekct type noise and finally more Frippertronics. In the end, listenable. - Slow Mellow is just that...slow mellow. Nice. - Krim 3 sort of begins like a blues then suddendly switches to a kind of Larks' Toungues in Aspic (part two and at moments part three)) sort of beat. Good Funky Jam's opening guitar reminds me of Adrian Belew's The Ideal Woman (Skinny with hairy legs). Also Good. Bill & Tony begins sort of Thela Hun Ginjeet style but does not develop into anything. Listenable No Questions Asked is the rehearsal for what was to become Sex, Sleep, Eat, Drink, Dream. Think of it as the karaoke version of the song. Adrian's Clouds is if what the title suggests, an Adrian Belew compostion, then it can best be described a Adrian Belew's frippertronics. Very short. Calliope is a sort of a primitive instrumental (as all the CD) Frame By Frame. One Time is the probably one of the first takes of One Time, from VROOOM and THRAK. Cool! If you play guitar, here is how you will figure this beautiful song out. Booga Looga is pure good Crimson. Does not remind me of anything and I love it. I wonder how many band out there can record their rehearsals and come out with something as good as this album. I only can add one more comment: The Future History Of King Crimson (on the last printed page says) that the next King Crimson Collectors' Club CD will be, on February 2000 (should we believe this? After all, the previous Collectors' Club Release (The Roar of P4) said that this release, which I received today, January 8 was supposed to be released on October 1999. But anyhow, that is not what worries me (I have learned to wait!). What worries me is the title of thye next release...King Crimson - Live at Summit Studios, Denver 1972. Enjoy Life! Alf * --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:26:11 -0500 From: John Ott Subject: Fripp on "I fall up" Kevin writes: >Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:32:05 EST >From: MRKOC at aol dot com >Subject: Uncredited Fripp guitar > >Listening the final track on Eno's ALI CLICK compact disc maxi-single, and >wondering if Mr. Fripp contributes an uncredited guitar. Fripp appears on >the NERVE NET CD and on the FRACTAL ZOOM maxi-single. But there is a >distinctive solo at about 3 minutes into I FALL UP that reminds me of a solo >Fripp performed on David Sylvian's GONE TO EARTH, on the final track: UPON >THIS EARTH. I do not see Mr. Fripp credited anywhere on the liner notes. If >any of you devotees have the answer, let me know. > The credits on the Ali Click Maxi-single CD are for the original mix of Ali Click. " I Fall Up" is a bonus track and it is Fripp with "Pin Trumpet Guitar" as credited in the Eno Vocal Box Set. "I Fall Up" is from the unreleased album "My Squelchy Life" ( some cuts from that project ended up on Nerve Net) and is available only on the Ali Click maxi single and the Eno Vocal Box Set. Here are the credits for "I Fall Up" Eno: White and Pink noise, vocals,Bulgarian Pain Synthesiser Richard Bailey: Drum Kit Laurance Cottle: Bass Robert Ahwai: Conga, guitar Gregg Arreguin- Evil Wah Guitar Sugarfoot Moffett-Resonant Kick Robert Fripp: Pin Trumpet Guitar Isaac Osapanin-Percussion Markus Dravs-Mix Consultant This is the second time I've answered this question, so should it go in the FAQ? later John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 11:47:40 EST From: Ctao at aol dot com Subject: Time is the key??? I found Rob X's post regarding time signatures to be fairly bizarre. Rob states that "the ability to recognize time signatures is only required if you plan on writing or reading music on staffs (sic)". While it's true that ignorance of the conceptual end of time signatures in no way limits a musician's ability to play in a wide range of meters, there are plenty of good reasons to have a handle on them. Conveying an idea to fellow musos, who may or may not read music, for example. Or being able to figure out the musical implications of two or more contrasting time sigs. I grow concerned when I encounter such rationales for a lack of familiarity with the verbal or literary aspects of music. I've had many an encounter with fellow musicians who feel their music will somehow be compromised if they venture out of the "theory ghetto". Nonsense! Regarding the "innateness" of musical time, sure it is. Rob goes astray when he opines that "either you have it or you don't". I suppose the implication here is that it can't be developed. RF himself suggested that he began his guitar career with no sense of time nor melody (I paraphrase liberally). I think most musicians would agree that time sense deepens over, well, time. The same could be said for awareness for intonation, harmony, etc. It's the rare musician who is born with the complete package, without having to spend any time developing these skills (unless he or she is comfortable spending their entire musical life in the same musical territory). Hope I'm not beating a dead horse. Just going to bat for the value of a musical education, as well as the time impaired ("Yes, there is hope for you..."). CD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:24:37 -0500 From: William Bajzek Subject: Re: P2 Live groove reflections >One other interesting side bar is if you listen to that end recording >you here breaking glass in almost constantly. This is people throwing >away their beer bottles. Is it me, or is that every show I go to, it >seems that people are more interest in buying over priced beer than >watching the band? First of all, it a huge waste of money. Second, if >you're so interested in get drunk, why not stay home? If you can't >enjoy anything without a beer buzz, you're pathetic. Has anyone >observed this? I guess I expect this more at a Jethro Tull show than >at a KC concert. You'd hope the fans would be a little more into the >music. Well, it should be pointed out that if nobody buys any drinks at a bar when a band is playing there, the chances of that bar wanting to have that band back are pretty slim. Very few club owners are as benevolant as we'd like them to be. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:53:28 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Hartley Subject: '83 Belew interview online I did an interview in 1983 with Adrian Belew and his band while they were on tour for the Twang Bar King record for WJMF, a college radio station I used to work at. After years of sitting on a large reel o' tape, I finally managed to record it digitally. It's available online now for anyone who wants to hear it. Follow this link: http://zappa.brainiac.com/belew.html ====================================================================== Joe Hartley - UNIX/network Consultant - jh at brainiac dot com 12 Emma G Lane, Narragansett, RI 02882 - vox 401.782.9042 Without deviation from the norm, "progress" is not possible. - FZappa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:00:49 -0800 (PST) From: RogueCJY Subject: Uncredited Guitar Part I have been a lurker on the ET newsletter for a long time but have never been compelled to write in before now. About the uncredited guitar line in Brian Eno's "I Fall Up", It is indeed played by Mr. Fripp, who is credited with "pin-trumpet guitar" according to the liner notes of the Eno I Box, on which the track is also included. Just thought I'd help with this one. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:56:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Weissenburger - Jeremy S." Subject: Re: Alan Moore and King Crimson >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:37:08 -0800 >From: s >Subject: Alan Moore and King Crimson > >Hello, > I would like to point out a connection I think between Alan Moore >(comic book writer of Miracle Man, the Watchmen, etc.) and King >Crimson. I think there are some subtle references to King Crimson [...] Hmm, from the interviews and such I have read, Alan Moore has never mentioned Fripp. Also, I have a feeling that it would be a very odd fit, as Moore is more of a mystic than anything else. Having the two of them in a room would probably be... interesting to say the least. If we are going to carry the philosophy of the artist to a comic book writer, I would liken Fripp more to Dave Sim, writer of _Cerebus_, a self-published comic book Sim & Fripp's views on the "business" they are respectively in are very similar. >Robert Fripp, if you know Alan Moore, please kindly ask him, "More >superhero comics! More Miracleman! " Heh heh heh, that is not an >expectation, just a longing... :) :) Alan Moore presently writes all the comics of "America's Best Comics," which is a subset of DC comics. Titles like "Tom Strong," Promethea," "Top 10"; nothing but superheroes. Enjoy. --Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:32:07 EST From: "Colin Beaumier" Subject: Network It has been a while but I have finally gotten a chance to post again---I am the chef-wanna-be who developed the culinary thraak-attack lamb rack where I had worked in *gasp* North Dakota... I have since Landed at the Culinary Institute of America --one of the best cooking schools in the world--according to Paul Bocuse.... I was checking out Poughkeepsie (NY) and other than a Barnes and Noble, there is NOTHING HERE!!!! --Well this is kind of Perfect actually, to focus on studying -- Well I was cheking out a copy of Reiflin, Fripp, Gunn... and bought my copy of Master Strokes by Bill Bruford (for the sixth time--I keep giving it to friends....) i found some info there about an out of print CD by Mr Fripp called Network---I was cheking out the CD with Bill called Network of Sparks and the fingers slipped---BOOM, up come a CD by Robert--- I am curious about what this about--it rang a bell but, alas I am in the dark...any info would be great!-- It is cool to be back in School again.. I have actually gotten to focus while listening to music, actually listening...a lot different than having to haul butt to cook at 3 am and go in on a moments notice by the seat of pleated chef's pants.....ahhhh! I am actually doing a paper for a class and I approached the prof. a Mr Steven Kolpan (check amazon.com for his wine books, he is a GENIUS!!!!) about doing a paper between dining out or eating and what role music plays in that moment---If anyone has any info or opinion or great memory feel free to email me about it as I am interested.. I think all of my favorite musicians, have made references to *great* food and *Great* music--Even Robert said something, I believe, to John McGlaughlin about something the difference between French Silk Chocolate and ordinary store chocolate.... (also Rosinni giving up his great music career for cooking, and the number of references to food of Zappa: canard du jour, cruisin for burgers, burnt weenie sandwich, peaches en regalia...etc etc etc.....) Even if Mr Fripp would care to post an opinion on the subject (again of the complimentary nature between food and Music) to his diary or to me, it would be kept confidential--if KC goes to Milwaukee for the next recording, I highly reccomend Sanford DAmato's "Sanford" Restaurant-- he is a light... I apologise for the long post and any info on food/music + NETWORK would be appreciated.... also I have set up a web page for the daily occurances that happen whilst attending a cooking school at: www.geocities.com/colincooks feel free to chek it out--it is humble and very honest! I also have forgotten to mention that I have an in tact copy but a worn cover of Tamm's Robert Fripp Book that I picked up while.... if anyone is interested, Please email looking froward to the new CD! Colin B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:29:27 +0300 From: "GENNADI A. ORLOV" Subject: CRIMSON's POSITION in Russia in 1989 Hello! Recently, looking through the archives, I have found in a known Russian magazine SLOVO ( # 9, 1989) results of interrogation of the Russian fans of rock music. Have asked to name 50 best disks of all times. On 39 position there is King Crimson - "In The Court Of The Crimson King." It seemed amusing for me-:) Gennadi A. Orlov Moscow, RUSSIA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:09:21 EST From: MarkJX at aol dot com Subject: Unnecessary feeback Whatever, all! Thanks to all the ETers who made suggestions for the millenium. For what it's worth, my show is kind of like an improv, as I don't preselect my music. The century and millenium ended (arguably) appropriately with 21CSM. My main disappointment was my friends' comments about WHICH version I would play! I don't have the 5 track EP yet, but am remedying this as one of my millenial resolutions. > Well, I've had enough. Not only have I heard enough bickering in recent > issues of ET, but I just heard more than enough from the hypocrite in me. > In the future, true KC fans, focus on the more positive aspects of the band > and it's music and respect the opinions of KC, for it is from their talents > whence forth this forum was brought into existence. In the end, its only > talk. Ha! You've got a bright future here! > I can't wait until the new KC tour next Fall to see Adrian and say, "Wow, > that guitar playing was really turdish tonight, man". > What a turdish email! > > I don't know if it's the appropriate place to adress my request. But, > I'm desperately looking for Collector's Club No 1 "Live at the Marquee". > I would appraciate if someone could send me the tracks (particularly > "Trees" and "I Talk to the Wind") of this cd in MP3 format. I 'm also > interested, always in MP3 format, by "Doctor Diamond" (on "The Great > Deceiver"), "I Talk to the Wind" (on "Young Persons Guide") and by some > tracks from Giles, Giles and Fripp ("Under the Sky", "She is Loaded", > "Suite No 1", "Erudite Eyes"). Ha again! > > I was wondering where I could get the sheet music for the Sax part in > "Starless".......... > Ha yet once more! > > http://www.mastica.net > I strongly second this! Spend the time to download the MP3s. This is some pretty interesting music that has just enough of a beat and hook to be commercial, though not all tracks have the same commercial potential (like the ones that I REALLY like! ;-) Thrak On. Mark J. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:35:48 -0500 From: "Gordon Emory Anderson" Subject: Visceral Adrian Think I got a handle on the Adrian Belew thing. You can really hear it in his Live Groove drumming, which at times is some of my favorite drumming of all the Projects (Deception of the Thrush in particular). It's that Adrian has a very visceral approach to music. It hits you in the gut, and touches you directly in the emotions prior to mental processing. And isn't this what rock was always about? This is why the Adrian Belew versions of King Crimson work the way they do: Belew's input reminds the band and its music of what the bottom line is. Bruford, on the other hand, has more Jazz sensibilities which, though perhaps of a "higher" pedigree of musical sensibility, are not ultimately what rock is about. Of course, in Crimson, Bruford applies those sensibilities to a rock context and as such also make Crimson much of what it has been for 25 years or so. But Belew is an anchor that provides a focus for the considerable artillery of King Crimson's considerable musicianship. -Emory ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:49:39 GMT From: "Jon D" Subject: Michael Giles & Hunter Muskett In ET #629, Tim Pickard mentions Michael Giles having some involvement with a group called Hunter Muskett. Here's some more information on this, which I'm sure will be of interest to those readers of ET who are interested in session appearances. Now Tim can really embarrass his colleague! Hunter Muskett released two albums - Michael Giles appears on the second one which was released in 1973. The album is called "Hunter Muskett" and the credits on the back of the LP sleeve give the following credit. I've added the titles of the relevant tracks in brackets: "Many thanks to Mike Giles who played drums on tracks 1, 2 & 3 on side one (John Blair, When I'm Not Around, She Takes The Wine) and tracks 1 & 4 on side two (Back In Your Youth, Laze Around All Day)" The group members were Roger Trevitt, Doug Morter, Chris George, & Terry Hiscock. Extra KC link: the album was engineered by Rhett Davies, who of course was involved with KC in the 1980s. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:53:48 -0500 From: John Barnas Subject: Arguments, Agreements ... GreETings, 1) O.K., so Adrian really is not a skateboarder. Shucks, I made that (Turd! ET#629) story up because I just want us all to be friends, gee golly. The part about Adrian being a groovy guy is true. What a unique and fortunate experience it is to be a fan of King Crimson. I'm sure 99.999% of those reading this would like the relationship between band and audience to be free from animosity. Certainly this would allow more to be attentive to the music being created. Yeah, baby, that's what its all about! Rock 'n' roll! Positive vibration, mon. In the future let's all just call a turd a turd. 2) I must speak up about Repercussions of Angelic Behavior. Pat M. asks if this might be the "lost ProjeKCt". I say it is the found projeKCt. My opinion is that ROAB is the freshest music (although almost a year old) to come down the pike in a long time. I know 1st World has no on-line ordering at this time but go to www.firstworldmusic.com to get their address. Seems you can get it at record shops but I'm sure they will have to order it in most cases. This is special stuff. The first track, Strangers on a Train, is alone worth the CD price. Yeah, that's what I think! A very interesting and beautiful musical trip. For those who asked for more soundscapes combined with percussion and other instruments (kinda like Radical Dance/ProjeKcts) this has wow creations of that. Of course you'll find a nice display of Trey Gunn's talent. Also, to me, there is a delicious use of silence here. Huh? Well, just check it out dudes and dudettes! Cheese and macaroni, JB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:49:53 -0500 From: leslabb at ptd dot net Subject: P2 Photo Incident In ET 629 RS Mentioned: >Secondly, I found the recording of the "photo incident" from the >Cleveland show very interesting. I was at the show. In the liner notes >Trey recall the audience shouting asshole at the guy who took the >picture. This is only half true. Many audience members were shouting >asshole at Fripp while others flipped the band off and lit up their >cigs! I'd say a good 20-30 left the show as well. Although Trey says he >agrees with Fripp stance on photos for the "obvious reasons", many >people did not find these reasons so obvious. Actually I think the incident at the end of the P2 disc came from the Philadelphia show. I was there and I clearly remember hearing the "Get A Rope!" comment. Also I was no more than ten feet away from the women who kept saying "We're Sorry, We're Sorry!". Maybe someone else who was at either show can confirm this. Les B. Labbauf http://home.ptd.net/~leslabb Beauty is the reflection of the appearance of truth. Better to seek truth than the reflection of its appearance. But better to seek beauty than nothing. Author Unkown. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:04:25 -0500 From: James Hannigan Subject: CD silence? Has anyone else had this problem? On discs such as P4 (collectors' club) and the 1982 collectors' club disc, in between tunes, as the timer on the player winds down from say 3 seconds to 1, the sound disappears then reappears as the next tune starts. The only non-KC disc I've noticed this on is Bob Dylan's 1966 Live album that recently came out. Anybody else have this problem or know how to fix it? Thanks - Jim Hannigan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:03:21 -0800 (PST) From: Alfred Bello Subject: Japanese version of "Live at The Marquee" Hello everybody! I have recently found a japanese version of the first club release, Live at The Marquee. In the review that appears on Elephant Talk, KC Releases, the song "Trees" is supposedly 18 minutes and 41 seconds long, while in the japanese version it only lasts a little over 4 minutes. Does anybody know why? Will the early club releases ever be available again? I read somewhere that DGM had reached an agreement on the release of these recordings with the Japanese Pony Canyon Inc. company. Therefore, these are not bootlegs. So, what is the deal here? I feel greately deceived. Alf ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:53:01 -0500 From: "Jim Muriceak" Subject: ET protocol? Hello everyone, Would it be out of line for me to try and search out someone on this list who might have a specific KC show on DAT? My first KC live experience. Thanks for the space. - Jim P.S. The show is 6/7/95 in Washington, DC. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 02:04:24 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Flint Subject: Converting 'Live In Mexico City' to audio I've seen various entries in the ET small-ads asking for 'Live In Mexico City' on a CD. Does anyone out there know of a program which will convert the .wma format to a .wav or similar? I would like to make an audio CD of 'LIMC' so that I can listen to it away from my PC. If you know of any such utility, please email me privately at peterflint at yahoo dot com. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:13:05 -0500 From: "Peter.K.Geddes" Subject: Robert Fripp & The Roches Anybody know how Robert Fripp got hooked up with the Roches? Was he living in New York at the time? The two albums that he produced (and played on), "The Roches" (1979) and "Keep On Doing" (1982) appeared at about the time Fripp would have been working on "Discipline" and "Beat". There is a photo on the back of "Keep on Doing" that shows Fripp playing acoustic guitar (it does not appear to be an Ovation) with The Roches in what appears to be a live setting. Were there gigs played? One more thing: the album, "The Roches", bears the stamp "Produced in audio verite by Robert Fripp". Any idea what this refers to? Both those albums are great, by the way. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 18:24:25 -0800 From: Brian Bernardini Subject: Problems with "Deja Vrooom" on Apple G4? I recently got an Apple G4, and the one thing I was looking forward to most was using "Deja Vroom". While the commentaries included on the disc were worth the price alone, I find that the video sometimes gets stuck and the audio disappears. The interface also tends to act a bit wonky. A number of other discs have worked fine, so I pose the question: Is there anybody out there using a G4 having problems with "Deja Vrooom"? Any help anybody can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Brian The New Kings Of Rhythm www.newkings.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:25:57 PST From: "alexis rondeau" Subject: the vrooom sessions Hi! Well I was the one who said it would fun if the KC CC was used to release music "under construction", and this is exactly what the Vrooom Sessions is about. The new release arrived this morning and I think I have a new favourite! It gives us a good idea on how the Thrak album came to sound how it did. I hope for more "Live from the studio" stuf. It looks like the KC CC #9 will be that too! Anyway, this album sounds like the double trio alright! I prefer this one to Vrooom because the material is much more different from that on Thrak. There's no vocals so we can concentrate on the noise! About a third the songs seem to be early versions of what became real KC pieces. My personal favourite is Monster Jam wich is like When I Say Stop Continue... but biger and better! KRIM sounds like somthing I have on Belewprints wich is an Adrian song. I don't remember wich one but it could be the one Ade said he gave to King Crimson but asked for it back. There's some talking between the songs... What remains is just NEW and MORE OF WHAT WE LIKE! Alx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:59:32 +0900 From: Chanung Park Subject: no vrooom session? Hi, happy 2000! I've been away from ET for a while. So I drop in today. & look around articles. But I can't find any comments on KCCC #8. It makes me wonder. I received Vrooom Session the day before yesterday. It made me happy all at once. Because Korean stock market had driven me crazy in new millennium January. Some pieces sound like ProjeKcts! I'll wait good comments. Hear ya! Park in South Korea. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:28:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael J. Bennett" Subject: Music quest... I am looking for a copy of Under Heavy Manners, which I believe is out of print. If anyone has a copy please email me. Thanks. Mike ac056 at mvcn dot dayton dot oh dot us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:40:58 -0200 From: "carlos h moller" Subject: vroom sessions first impressions.... hi you there ! just got the VROOM sessions CD and: 1- just great ! 2- why they didn't put all this on the original CD ? 3- what a difference a few years make ! just compare this kind of stuff with any of the projekcts... (just improvs, or am i wrong ?) 4- "Krim" became Belew's "I remember how to forget". if they didn't want it, why not use it ? 5- have you ever knew that Krimson could be so funky ? 6- "One Time"... again ?!? wow, it seems they really love that music ! ok, it's a good one... but it's in all of the CDs since VROOM !! enough is enough, don't you think ? that's all ! carlos h moller brazil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:16:03 PST From: "Cedric Hendrix" Subject: Forward Progress Hello All, Well, it's been a long time since my last contribution. I've been monitoring sporadically. And I see not much has changed. :) Still, I felt the need to offer up a little fresh thread. I read RF's diary as much as I can, and noticed on one entry that Fripp said that the new Crimson will be playing no material from before 1994 on their next tour. I can only come up with one word to describe my feelings on the matter. That word is WOOHOO! I'm so glad that I may have a chance to see my favorite band NOT performing some of their greatest hits. No "Schizoid," or "Larks Tongues," or "Red." All great songs (and still staples on my CD player), to be sure. But it's high time we put those songs on the shelf, and started looking forward. This will free up a lot of time to focus on "The ConstuKction of Light," ProjeKct X material, and who knows what else. I've never been more excited about being a listener (or should I say "an audient"). I'm sure there will be a few . . . uh, backward glancers . . . in the audiences, screaming for the oldies. Oh, the wicked grin that will cross my face when their shouts are denied. For those of you stuck in 1972, I suggest you buy new copies of your old favorites, and wear them out. For the rest of us, the adventure has just begun. Let's just sit back, and enjoy the ride. Until next time . . . Cheers, Ced ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:13:12 EST From: Mikewyz at aol dot com Subject: Robert vs Bob In his 1/33/00 diary entry, Fripp says: >>Historically, I ended our professional relationship by telephone in >>December 1971 when Crimson returned from a US tour. (This was the first >>occasion that I introduced myself as "Robert", formerly "Bob", a fact both >>Peter and I noticed). A group called the Kabalarians have a web page entitled "What's in Your name?" with analyses of names and the personal characteristics those names are connected with. After reading this diary entry, I decided to see what the differences would be for those two names.... ===== Bob Your name of Bob gives you self-assurance, independence, and confidence. You have depth of mind and the ability to concentrate and to follow a line of thought to a logical conclusion. Your love of challenging the concepts of others invariably leads you to create your own ideas and to pioneer new lines of thought. Your strong characteristic of individuality qualifies you as a leader. You must be independent and you do not brook interference in any way. Although you do not tolerate interference in your own affairs, this characteristic does not prevent you from interfering in the affairs of others. You are usually either telling or showing someone how to do something properly. Although you are good-natured and never intend offence, still your blunt, direct and candid manner of expression strains friendships; your honesty and sincerity earn respect from others. You have to be your own boss as it is most difficult for you to submit to direction from others. Problems with your health centre in the head and you could suffer with head tension, head colds, headaches, and sinus congestion. There is a strong tendency for you to worry. Robert Your name of Robert gives you the desire to understand and help others with their problems but, at the same time, you can become too involved in their problems and, as a result, worry too much. This name creates a pleasant, easy-going, yet responsible nature. It gives you a natural ability to express affection to those close to you, without feelings of embarrassment. You tend to avoid issues, however, and put off until tomorrow the things which should be done today. Accordingly, you would find difficulty in achieving success in positions requiring aggressiveness and drive. Also, you prefer to avoid strenuous work of a manual nature. Your natural inclination is to pursue a line of work where you have contact with people, where you carry some responsibility, and where you are engaged in mental rather than physical activity. You are diplomatic in your handling of people and always give others the benefit of the doubt. You appreciate good music and art. The health weaknesses created by this name affect the fluid functions. ======== interesting, if not very accurate. or maybe so, it's something RF would know better than any of us. FYI, the page in question is found at: http://www.kabalarians.com/gkh/your.htm more significant in recent diary entries was the mention that RF knows David Rasche, TV's "Sledge Hammer." I mean, "Sledge Hammer!" For those that don't recall it, it was amusing TV show in the late 80s that had some very funny moments but could not maintain any comedic focus, which helps explain its short life. For those who are unfamiliar with it, there's a video tape you may be able to find at larger stores, such as Blockbastard, with 4 of the better episodes. I believe it's called "Hammered! The best of Sledge!" Trust me. I know what I'm doing. /\/\ \/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:39:32 -0500 From: murkie Subject: shameless self-promotion hi guys. sorry for the spam-like content. figured some of you might be interested. i'm getting an announcement list together for my fledgling label. if you want to receive (infrequent) e-mail updates on releases and gigs by me (solo) or with the bands Regional Science Fair (guitar, stick, drum trio), and Murkie, just drop me a line at soma at middlebury dot edu. won't burn up too much more bandwidth... thanks! mark christensen ===================================================================== = = = M a r k C h r i s t e n s e n = = Cramped Quarters Studio / Jasperpottamus Music Publishing = = internet: murkie at middlebury dot edu = = http://www.middlebury.edu/~mchriste/murkie.html = = = ===================================================================== ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #630 ********************************