Errors-To: admin at elephant-talk dot com Reply-To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Sender: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Precedence: bulk From: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To: newsletter at elephant-talk dot com Subject: Elephant Talk #627 E L E P H A N T T A L K The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp and King Crimson enthusiasts Number 627 Wednesday, 15 December 1999 Today's Topics: NEWS: Robert Fripp Q&A in Nashville. Great Deceiver Box Set / Improv / P5 1999 KC in China Cheika Rmitti and the Arabic Sound Tap and guitar circles in Los Angeles area Shirt Pocket&Liner Notes,Top 99,KC in 2000? Odd-time signatures Vince Martell-Endless High P2 audience Thela Hun Ginjeet, and Vinyl Musik to play in the dark... Mexico City Download help Adrian's opinion of "The Turd" My Honest OpinionS KC and "odd" time signatures the semi-annual USA question Re: Fripp's diary Opinions Re: ET a turd? JohnWetton.com If RF were on Space Ghost Coast to Coast Cheika; Fracture tab; Rieflin/Fripp/Gunn JPJ's Zooma chew on this Message from Mark Perry ------------------ A D M I N I S T R I V I A --------------------- POSTS: Please send all posts to newsletter at elephant-talk dot com To UNSUBSCRIBE, or to CHANGE ADDRESS: Send a message with a body of HELP to admin at elephant-talk dot com or use the DIY list machine at http://www.elephant-talk.com/list/ To ASK FOR HELP about your ET subscription: Send a message to: help at elephant-talk dot com ET Web: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ Read the ET FAQ before you post a question at http://www.elephant-talk.com/faq.htm Current TOUR DATES info can always be found at http://www.elephant-talk.com/gigs/tourdates.htm You can read the most recent seven editions of ET at http://www.elephant-talk.com/newsletter.htm THE ET TEAM: Toby Howard (Moderator), Dan Kirkdorffer (Webmaster) Mike Dickson (List Admin), and a cast of thousands. The views expressed herein are those of the individual authors. ET is produced using John Relph's Digest system v3.5b (relph at sgi dot com). ------------------ A I V I R T S I N I M D A --------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:33:31 -0600 From: Antarctica Subject: NEWS: Robert Fripp Q&A in Nashville. Robert will be appearing in Nashville Sunday the 16th January, 12:00 noon at Antarctica Studio for a Q&A gathering. For details please go to: www.nashville.net/~antarct/fripp/ If you can attend email your RSVP to me at antarct at telalink dot net Thanks! John A. Trevethan A N T A R C T I C A Mastering * Recording * Graphics http://www.nashville.net/~antarct (615) 860-8556 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:01:41 -0600 From: Tom Bergeon Subject: Great Deceiver Box Set / Improv / P5 Much to my delight I finally found a used copy of the Great Deceiver box set at a local record store. I had great reservations on whether I would really enjoy 4 versions of Easy Money and and at least three of several other songs. However, since the shop has cd players where one can audition discs I quickly started running through disc 4, by the third improv I was already running to the cash register to get the box home for a real listen. For those of you hesitant to pick up this box set, and I certainly fit into this category, don't be! The improv's are incredible, and the variation in playing within structured songs is great as well. Hopefully this will be rereleased on DGM in early 2000. As for sonic quality, I have heard others rag these recordings. Granted there is some tape hiss in the very quiet passages and the walk on Pussyfooting excerpts are barely audible, but the music itself is so dynamic and very well recorded. In particular, as dynamic as the bass and drum interplay is, it is not at any point overloaded and distorted on these recordings. The engineer may have cut a few songs short, but he captured the KC glory without clipping and compressing it to death. The dynamics are very much there - enough to rattle the windows one moment and then to the quietest calm the next. And the telepathy and experimentation between the musicians is first rate. I guess in comparison the 80's and 90's Crimson has never had as much variability live due to the regimentation in the songs themselves. Songs with interlocking guitar arpeggios are just too tight to allow the more open variations more readily available in Fripp's soaring 73-74 guitar playing. >From the boxset I've wondered how much improv progression would have evolved had P1 been able to tour for longer than 4 evenings. Bruford and Levin seem to have a similar tight telepathic improv to the BB/Wetton rythym section. How about P5, BB, Levin and Belew for interesting unchartered territory? Comments, cliques, commentary, controveresy? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:40:16 -0500 From: "Snow, Rick" Subject: 1999 Okay, so I'm somewhat behind the times, but I just acquired Robert Fripp 1999 (Soundscapes-Live In Argentina). I've kept busy enough (and broke enough) just keeping up with KC releases, ProjeKct releases and boxes and the KC Collector's Club releases, plus back-filing some other essentials (like League of Gentlemen's Thrang Thrang Golinbux, Blessing of Tears and Fripp/Eno's Evening Star). But My G-d, This Stuff Is Amazing. What a way to ring out 1999 and ring in 2000. If you don't have this yet, get it. That's all I can say. Thank you once again, Mr. Fripp, for amazing me. R Snow, of the dropped jaw and glazed-over orbs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:40:11 -0800 From: John Brower Subject: KC in China I'm late in reporting this, but it should still raise a few smiles. I returned this fall from a month's vacation in China. This was made possible thanks to a friend and his Chinese wife, who invited me along while they visited various members of her family. So, I was able to see more of the country from an insider's perspective than Western tourist hotels would have offered. As with much of Asia, karaoke is extremely popular. When we ate out, there was always an hour or two of karaoke following the meal. My friend and I were able to beg off from joining in, due to our inadequate Chinese. A few nights before we were to depart, we returned to eat at a popular restaurant. After dinner, the karaoke began. One of our hosts discovered a list of several hundred songs in English. No amount of apologizing would satisfy them -- we had to sing for our suppers. I was hoping to cover some Bob Dylan tune -- that would suit my meager talents. But none was to be found among the selections. Flipping through the list of pop and country standards (the Chinese love strong melodies and sentiments), my attention was brought up short by finding an entry for "Epitaph" by King Crimson. What the ?! Through what mysterious workings of fate did this song end up on a karaoke list in China? Was some imp of the perverse at work? There was nothing remotely like it amongst the English songs. All the rest were chart-topping hits of their day, or standards you would expect to find on any list of songs for public performance. Well, I decided not to attempt to scale the vocal heights of "Epitaph" for my hosts, though I've sung it in private often enough. I don't know what they would have made of the music, anyway. (Hearing the cheesy version that would have accompanied the karaoke did hold a certain fascination for me.) I opted for a few Beatles tunes that were well within my narrow vocal range. Nonetheless, it was a great memory to end a remarkable trip with. John Brower ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:43:11 -0500 From: "Gordon Emory Anderson" Subject: Cheika Rmitti and the Arabic Sound Some dude posted about Arabic sounds here a few issues back, and I've been simultaneously too busy and too lazy to respond. But I have been interested in some Arabic-related sounds for a while. Interesting how a culture that in large part derives from Islam and the Koran (where music is basically forbidden) generates such beautiful sounds. Anyway, you may be interested in checking out... 1. Of course the Cheika Rimitti CDs with Fripp, Flea and others are quite interesting and at times excellent 2. My favorite these days is Orchestre Nationale d'Barbes: made by a collective of Morrocans living in Paris that make a seamless modern arabic fusion music. This at points utterly kicks ass, and I can almost guarantee it to be enjoyable to crimson fans. 3. Sister Mary Reykrouz (A Lebanese Catholic nun), Chant Byzantine. This has some Arabic language "Gregorian" Christian chants that are hauntingly beautiful, and that have been passed down from before the Roman/Byzantium church split. 4. Najma (the first album is now my favorite of hers, but i can't remember its name). She (like Nusrat Fateh Ali Kahn) is actually Pakistani, but sings in Urdu, an indo-europoean language that has absorbed heavy Arabic sounds. Her singing is wonderful on a number of levels, one of which is simply the pronunication of words in Urdu. 5. David Torn: He has clearly been absorbing a lot in the way of Arabic sounds (check out Tripping over God), so I can barely wait for BLUE Nights. Enjoy. -Emory ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:58:44 -0800 From: "Jean or Colin Jenkinson" Subject: Tap and guitar circles in Los Angeles area Howdy : Any Crafty Tappers or Guitarists in Los Angeles area willing to form a tap/guitar circle? Or if one already exists ,can I join? Colin Jenkinson -Chapman Stick & loops (805) 494-9100 jeancolin at earthlink dot net | 0019- 494(508) spool nampahC-nosnikneJ niloC ten.knilhtrae@nilocneaj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 13:43:06 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Basile Subject: Shirt Pocket&Liner Notes,Top 99,KC in 2000? Hi, If you go to the ET sight you can get a post of mine ,about a year old, where I used most of the Fripp posts from the Bridge of Sighs cd liner. Go into the contibutor engine and plug in my last name. I also did posted most of the Schzoid Dimention CD liners, plus other writings from Rolling Stones and other sourses. Many of my favorite songs of 1999 are David Sylvains "Surrender", "Alphabet Angel",and "Darkest Dreaming". I always thought he needed Fripp, but this "Bee's In The Cake" CD is special! It may not even be 1999, but it is so pretty, dark, and seeps into your mind that it stays with you all day! (Thanks Chico!!!!)Now we know who FLEA is, many songs from Californication are on my top ten list. Now if we count Circus,The Projects,and 1999 In Court of....Rerelease of Sacred Songs, Sometimes God Smiles, I have many ties for my top ten. Does it sound like from the Diary RF is getting away from calling this new Project KC, or am I just my parinoidal self? Will we see or hear KC in 2000? Basile By The Three Rivers Ex Steeler Fan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:41:50 -0500 From: "Dan B." Subject: Odd-time signatures Roy asked in the last E-T: "Which songs by King Crimson have similar "odd" time signatures?" My glib answer (and one that is largely accurate) is: All the ones that you can't keep a steady handclap too. But to be more specific, it's a better idea to name an era and then ask which songs are in odd-time sigs because there's lots of 'em! And then there's many more with sections of odd-meters even if the bulk of the tune is in a 4/4. (Even 15/16 is only a measure or note length (depends on your critera for rhythmic measuring) from 16/16 which is just 4 bars of 4/4. Ah yes, the task of counting musical spaces, beats, accents, note lengths, measures (if you subscribe to the Western formula), etc.: an imprecise but thoroughly engaging 'science'! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:33:59 -0800 From: "John Selby" Subject: Vince Martell-Endless High Vince Martell (Ex Vanilla Fudge)-"Endless High" CD features the track "The Court of the Crimson King" with Ian McDonald Flute & Harpsichord.http://www.vincemartell.com/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:09:48 -0500 From: "Bill Duhigg" Subject: P2 audience There have recently been some comments about the last track on the P2 disc of the Projects Box. I don't have the box yet, but I gather the track records the aftermath of a Live Fripp/Photog encounter. I was at the Cleveland P2 concert where such an incident occurred (and may well be the one preserved for posterity). As soon as the flash went off dozens of fans knew the consequences and groaned accordingly. Yes, there were many fans using abusive language, but I believe it was directed at the photographer, _not_ the departed band members. (Of course, all the foregoing subject to change after I actually hear the disc!) Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 01:16:09 -0500 From: Richard Heck Subject: Thela Hun Ginjeet, and Vinyl Some time ago, there was some talk about what "Thela Hun Ginjeet" might be an anagram of. Is it generally known now that it's an anagram of "Heat in the Jungle" (or , I suppose,"The Jungle in Heat", though that makes rather less sense)? If so, never mind, but it can't hurt to ask.... Another, utterly unrelated question. Why haven't any KC albums been re-issued on vinyl during the current re-issue craze? Certain of the older albums would be pretty obvious choices, from a musical and audiophilic perspective. I listened to two pressings of "Larks' Tongues" today, the early 80s half-speed mastered "Collectors Edition", and the late 80s-early 90s "Definitive Edition". The former is good, but the vinyl is kind of noisy (not good on this particular album); the transfer to vinyl in the latter case is also pretty good, and the pressing is actually a bit better, but still, I'd love to hear this on 180g vinyl, mastered by someone like Doug Sax. Also welcome would be vinyl pressings of some of the newer stuff, like "Thrak". Surely some one of the re-issue companies could be persuaded to do that. A note for any other KC fans interested in vinyl. I listened to bits of three different pressings on "In the Court" the other day: An Atlantic original; a half-speed mastered "Collectors Edition"; and a "Definitive Edition". My impression, at that time, was that the original is actually best here, even though my copy is not entirely clean. (I'll find a mint one some day....) The Collectors Edition would probably be excellent, except that the sound level on the vinyl is very, very low, making noise a much bigger problem than it otherwise would be. That tends to mask some low-level details that are more apparent on the original. The Definitive Edition is not wonderful, to say the least. There's a real lack of crispness to the sound. One other note. I noticed the other day that audiophileusa.com is advertising a sealed MoFi of "In the Court", for $125. Get it while it lasts, if you can afford it. (I can't. Not now.) Oh, and by the way: Anyone who owns Crimson vinyl who would like to get rid of it is cordially asked to contact me! Especially wanted: A clean original of "Larks' Tongues". rh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 02:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: KSozay at webtv dot net Subject: Musik to play in the dark... Since we seem to be an eclectic bunch, I was wondering if there are any Coil fans among us? Cheers, K ...Huddled in the safety of a pseudo-silk kimono, wearing bracelets of smoke, naked of understanding... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:21:16 +0100 From: Nick Loebner Subject: Mexico City Download help Hi there, sorry if this has been discussed at length already but I'm at my wits end! I've installed the Media Player and then downloaded the Mexico City file apparently without problems but when I double-click on it the download file Media Player invokes then disappears very quickly (simultaneously a browser window opens asking me for my email address). Has anyone else seen this problem? What is the solution? Please reply privately by email. Many thanks! - Nick. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 08:25:10 EST From: "Fallen Angel" Subject: Adrian's opinion of "The Turd" Jonathan Newton, Just because Adrian is an Artist doesn't mean that he has to keep his opinions to himself. He is as free to express his own opinions as he see's fit, even as much as you are. As for my opinion, I tend to agree with Mr. Belew, on this subject, most of the time. Tom Myers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:36:02 -0500 From: "Dave Schroeder" Subject: My Honest OpinionS I've been subscribing and enjoying Elephant Talk since I purchased my computer early this year and I must say that the majority of what I read has been very entertaining & educational; however, I don't understand why some people feel the need to critique the band and its members in such a harsh and negative manner. Can't you find something better to do with your time than writting paragraphs of negative remarks on people who are creating music? I'm not talking about simple reveiew on songs or performances when somebody voices their opinion, that's fine; but, to go on and on about how you didn't like "so-and-so" playing an instrument or how you think someone from years ago would be better suited for the band ...get over it and either enjoy what the group is doing or find another band! The last letter in ET 626 by Ron Williams Jr. summed everything up very nicely, by reminding us that we should not take the bands for granted and that we should appreciate what they have created for us and respect their wishes...and if you don't like it...leave!!! But don't screw it up for the rest of us. On the brighter side of things I have become friends with several people around the globe because of ET and hope to chat with more CrimHeds in the future. I was wondering what happened to John Relph's fantastiK "Young Person's Guide To King Crimson Bootlegs" web site. This was a phenomanal source of information and a great help to me when finding live recordings of the band (sorry I can't help myself when it comes to Crimson music). Please let me know if it has moved or been taken down. Now to find something better to do with my time...maybe listen to King Crimson. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:32:22 -0800 From: Lewis Southers Subject: KC and "odd" time signatures >I was telling my boss about the recording of the new King Crimson album, >and the 15/16 sections. Which songs by King Crimson have similar "odd" >time signatures? > Correct me if I'm wrong (I know you will), but I think that Frame by Frame is in 2 or 3 ungodly time signatures at the same time!! peace -Lewis Begin with the possible and move gradually towards the impossible. -Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:37:11 -0500 (EST) From: Steven Sullivan Subject: the semi-annual USA question Just popping in to ask, again, whether there is any news about Virgin/DGMs long-promised release of 'USA' on CD. -S. ________ "Oh, yeah, what are you gonna do? Release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?" -H. Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:40:12 -0500 From: Brian Preston Subject: Re: Fripp's diary Could someone email me privately and let me know where I can go to view Fripp's diary on line? Thank you. [ It's http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml -- Toby ] Brian Preston (Freehand/Smokin'Granny/Onomata) www.davido42.home.mindspring.com/smokingranny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:20:17 PST From: "Nomad Stem" Subject: Opinions In ET 626 Ron writes: >It's time for Crimso fans to show the band that we are truly fans. Far >more positive encouragement must be given to them because they already >receive plenty of the negative. In one of his latest diary entries, Mr. >Fripp quoted Mr. Belew as >describing the ET newsletter as "a turd." As fans who enjoy >the band's work, we should listen to them and offer criticisms >constructively or not at all. My feeling is that most of what is posted here or in the DGM Guestbook is offered up as "constructive criticism" as far as the writers of the comments are concerned. However, constructive criticism to one person is often viewed as just plain old criticism by another. That's life. Perhaps some people are simply less tactful about how they put it. I agree with another fellow who posted to the DGM Guestbook wondering what in fact Adrian was reacting to. Commentary here has been quite inoffensive of late (a good thing). Perhaps Adrian was simply behind on his ET reading. And of course we're now seeing the ET bashing thread start up again on the DGM Guestbook. In ET's defense, it is a least a forum of *many* voices, which will produce many varied opinions. By contrast the DGM Guestbook has become a place that a certain few people have turned into their own personal forum. The same people seem to post every waking thought that they have to the DGM Guestbook. The lure of seeing their name (or alias) in print on the DGM website is just too much for them to resist. Not surprisingly it is the same people who seem to have taken the "we're not one of them" attitude about ETers. You know who you are - and if you read these words, you *are* one of us. As for Adrian's comment, he put it best 18 years ago: "It's only talk!" Nomad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:54:08 GMT From: Gary Davis Subject: Re: ET a turd? At 08:28 PM 12/13/99 GMT, jonathan wrote: >Amused to see Belew's comment in Fripp's diary to the effect that ET 'is a >turd' or some such thing. And here I was thinking just the opposite. Personally it doesn't surprise me at all that any artist could be driven nuts by the contents of a mailing list. And I suspect many, if not all of them, make some sort of private comment about it to people around them as Adrian did. So I don't find it at all surprising that Adrian could have made a disparaging comment about ET out of sheer frustration and I find it difficult to take any offense. However, what totally baffles me is why Fripp feels the need to report this. Why does everything automatically and immediately go into the on-line diary? It wasn't too much earlier that Fripp was reporting Adrian's departure and the demise of Crimson in his diary only to have the problem rectify itself before the day's end. Does all this somehow improve the audient/performer relationship? How does this serve Fripp/Crimson/DGM et. al.? Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop at artist-shop dot com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:13:13 -0800 From: "Dave Dyet" Subject: JohnWetton.com We would like to officially invite everyone to the JohnWetton.com web site opening in two weeks. JohnWetton.com will provide a source for information and added multimedia formats on JohnWetton and his past and future musical endeavours. It will complement to the existing "Chasing the Dragon" the official site. If you would like to be contacted once the site is up and running please email us at grandopening at johnwetton dot com Sincerely, Dave Dyet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 23:10:26 -0500 (EST) From: David Williams Subject: If RF were on Space Ghost Coast to Coast Dear Team: Formality dictates that I mention that this is my first posting. I came up with this whilst doing dishes. Make of that datum what you will. IF ROBERT FRIPP WERE ON SPACE GHOST COAST TO COAST... Squeaky sound as monitor is lowered SG: And here's our 574th all-time guest--Bob Fripp! RF: (mildly) Robert. SG: Sorry, didn't get that, Bob. RF: (still mild) Robert. Robert. SG: Hmm... (consults card) Robert Robert. (Voice sings "Tweet, tweet, tweet")That's not what it says on the cue card. Hey, you're not trying to be difficult...are you, Bob? (Dramatic music--5 seconds) RF: (smiling, in broad Dorset accent): Bob Fripp here. At your service, guv'n'r. SG: That's more like it Bobbo. Now....Are you getting enough oxygen? RF: Within acceptable parameters, yes. SG: And what are your super powers? RF: I have the power to create voluminous amounts of chat on websites throughout the world. SG: Not much of a super power, Bob. RF: I can also do this. (Insert 10-16 seconds of RF playing "Larks' Tongues Pt. II") (sound of glass breaking) SG: Good God, man! You've broken the sonic barrier! RF: Some writers even claim I invented something called "math rock." SG: This is a late night talk show, Bob. Ixnay on the ath-may. RF: I just find it all rather amusing. SG: (laughs) HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! (RF sits, smiling slightly) SG: So you play the guitar. RF: I attempt to, yes. (ZORAK being playing intro to 'Schizoid Man'--continues through dialogue) SG: Hey, Bob. Do you hear that? RF: I do, yes. SG: Sounds like train's a comin' RF: Yes. A very special kind of train. SG: What kind? RF: A schizoid train. ZORAK and the ORIGINAL WAYOUTS burst into "Schizoid Man" w/Zorak on vocals ZORAK: "cat's foot iron claw neurosurgeons scream for more at paranoia's poison door 21st century schizoid NO!" CU ON SG AS HE ZAPS ZORAK ZORAK, ZAPPED, LOOKS DISGRUNTLED (as usual) RF: Violence should always be a last resort, never a first. SG: You don't work here, Bob. You have no idea what that bug puts me through. RF: I have some idea. I've had numerous dealings with record company executives. SG: Well, we're just about out of time for this silly segment... RF: Can I--very quickly--plug my website. SG: Plug away, Bobbo. That's what we're here for. RF: www.disciplineglobalmobile.com. Where you can order all the latest Discipline releases, find information on tour dates, read our diaries... SG: Ooh..diaries. Anything salacious you care to divulge? RF: This communication has fulfilled its purpose and will now be terminated. (FRIPP fades off into video static) SG: Wait a minute. I'm the only one who's supposed to do that. MOLTAR: Bad boys, bad boys--whatcha gonna do? (Laughs) ZORAK joins him in laughter ------------------------------ Actually, the CD with Robert Fripp and Flea, two of my favorite musicians, is not called Sheika, it's called Cheika. As soon as I saw the post here, I ordered it at Buy.com. I looked up Rimitti, and there it was, Cheika. I hope it's good. I'll tell yall how it is when I get it, cool? Yeah Brianman. You're going to love it dude. >1. All KC fans will go and download the tab for "Fracture" of the tablature page. What is the URL of this page? >2) Rieflin project...this looks like a real winner of a disc...must check it out...seems all key ingredients are there. I can recommend this disk very highly. - S. scottst at ohsu dot edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:29:34 GMT From: "Scott Steele" Subject: Cheika; Fracture tab; Rieflin/Fripp/Gunn Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:45:05 EST From: Bolinhed at aol dot com Subject: JPJ's Zooma I just finally got the John Paul Jones CD "Zooma" and am blown away by it, thoroughly impressed. It is the most impressive and focused work I've heard by any of the former Zeppers since that band ended. Would I be worng in guessing that it will be likely to sell better than most DGM releases, because of the clout of JPJ's name? Yes he is the least famous Zep member but still a Zep member. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:27:27 -0500 (EST) From: Justin Weinberg Subject: chew on this Has anyone else checked out the sound samples of MasTicA? MasTicA is one of Pat Mastellotto's side projects, a rock/pop trio. I downloaded the first three tracks from their upcoming album, and they sound very good. ("Queen" is great.) The music is a bit hard to describe. It's like one-third Morphine, one-third Jansen/Barbieri/Karn, and one-third something else altogether. You can find out about them at: http://www.io.com/~jason/mastica/index.html Enjoy. Justin Weinberg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:58:55 -0800 From: markperry at earthlink dot net Subject: Message from Mark Perry Hello ET'ers, Some of you will remember me from Possible Production time. I'm in the process of selling my RF/KC collection. If you are interested and have specific wants, please email me exactly what you're looking for. If you check out the discography here on ET you'll find pretty much my collection. (And a good place to make a list from) And then I've got some rare stuff....hmmm. I'll make a list of that. I'll answer all emails in the order they come, specific wants first. I'll make a list of what's left after the specifics are gone. All bootlegs are not available. I have 45's, LPs, CDs, radio shows, posters, paper goods. Looking forward to hearing from you - Mark Perry ------------------------------ End of Elephant-Talk Digest #627 ********************************