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E L E P H A N T T A L K
The Internet newsletter for Robert Fripp
and King Crimson enthusiasts
Number 614
Saturday, 18 September 1999
Today's Topics:
Bijou Review-ette: ProjeKcts Box
Crimson Videos
P Box tracklist and a quick review
question for the Know All
DGM pricing
Calling Howard B.; Centipede
Genesis tab site
Theremin; Ghost Dance
Adrian Belew
Trey Gunn's 'Raw Power'
Fripp diary entries wanted
"Melotrone"
Mogul Thrash
Yeah, wha'apened?
Barry Godber in Milano
BELEW IS NOT LEAVING KC
DGM and lyric questions...
PJ Crook stuff?
You've got to hear that once in your life !
No Self Control and the birth of Discipline
Samples KC idea?
Some interesting Bruford news...
Re: Cale and Young
P.J. Crook stuff part 2
And then Belew came back and ...
Pavlovs dog
RE: Mellotron Smellotron
Re: Bruford Interview and Mellotrons
Overseas Collectors Club Subscribers
Sailor's Tale - help wanted.
Mexico Problems Redux
e-music
Mexico City Download
Mexico City for Mac OS: Virtual PC?
Live in Mexico City - do you have trouble downloading it?
Major Bad Karma for Those Who Burn...
Mexico City? I'm too lazy!
More on the Mexico City download
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:55:47 +0100
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Bijou Review-ette: ProjeKcts Box
A pleasant surprise on my doormat rather sooner than expected, and on my
Birthday too. Horrified faces of flatmates finding out I had another 4
hours of Krim to torture them with aside, I manfully worked through them
all...
Superficial summary of reactions go like this:
P1: very, very good
P2: very, very good
P3: very, very good
P4: even better than the others
Some slightly more detailed observations:
After the sampler track from P1 I was expecting rather more in the way
of "dustbin down a lift shaft" action with Live At The Jazz Cafe, but a
big chunk in the middle is rather beautiful, subtle soundscape based
material. And this leads to A Conclusion, which is whenever soundscapes
are worked into any of the ProjeKct releases the music goes from great
to even better than that. So hopefully the Double Duo (unless it's
broken up for a second time before recording...) will further increase
the soundscape element in their work.
The P4 release stands out above the excellent P3 because of the bottom
end. It really benefits from Tony on board IMHO, so it's a shame that
the DD/T-Lev plans aren't flexible enough to get him on board this time
around. Not really a criticism of the plans, as it would be churlish to
think that all that's required to alter the DD planning is a 'phone call
to Tony with a time and place, but just a comment that I'm looking
forwards to Tony back in action, be it a ProjeKct or Crim or whatever.
Hopefully with Adrian about there'll be slightly more finger space
available between everyone for the basslines.
If the DD release is as good as any of these discs it will be well worth
the entry price. Every one a winner, and I'm looking forwards to the P4
club release. It would also be Very Cool if even with the DD back
together Adrian's thought of a Bill/Tony/Ade ProjeKct 'n' goes ahead.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch University of Dundee
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p dot j dot clinch at dundee dot ac dot uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 07:09:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Punksatan Bobby
Subject: Crimson Videos
I just bought the "The Noice" "Three of..." And "Live in Japan" Videos.
And I was Completely blown away...
I. Fripp is actually seen smiling, several times. (Wow, he is capable of joy
;) )
II. He also makes the wildes guitarsolos ever seen on tape, how he squirms,
and moves about and on a Chair too...
I always thougt that it was Belew messing around...
III. Seeing is beliving, I never gave the "Warr Guitar" much attention, but
now after seeing it, I still don't. Was It just me or was Trey low in mix? I
heard him a couple of times, but not allways. But still it looks really hard
to play, But he's kind'a booring on stage.
IIII. Levin, what a guy... Not only does he deliver the solidest grooves and
the bad-ass-est solos. He also really IS on stage. Some times he just lookes
up and closes his eyes, looks lika a teddybear (don't you just want to hug
him?) he really has Carizma. (Not only with KC but also when he played with
Robbie Dupree).
And how hard is it really to play Stick, it lookes like nothing to him, but
when you think of what he's doing...
IIIII. Bruford, how soft his wrists are (I'm a drummer, Mostly)
it's alomost as if he's picking cotton, ;).
It was great to see him play, he looked like he actually enjoyed it
sometimes.
IIIIIII. Mastelotto, here's a guy that I've followed since Mr Mister. Great
to see him play with KC. But how come he got to do all the booring stuff,
and Bruford got to du all the wicked solo stuff? I know how good Mstelotto
is.Still he got to keep a steady groove whilst Bruford Pounded his ass off.
OK it takes a great drummer to deliver a steady groove, but it would have
been nice to see something more...
And finally
Adrian Belew...
ther'sn't much to say... "I like it" (indicipline)
Thats it n thats that...
Rafael Maria di Liumbard
Chairman of NotWorthShitProductions
and
Holy spirit of St.Lois
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:32:20 +0200
From: masse at geocean dot u-bordeaux dot fr (Laurent MASSE)
Subject: P Box tracklist and a quick review
There's been some confusion about the release date of the King Crimson P
Box. For those who don't know yet, it is already available online on the
DGM site. I received it Saturday, and here is a quick tracklist and review.
P1 - Live at the Jazz Cafe
Mostly familiar ground, including a Trey Gunn solo track, and a
drum/soundscapes duet (the original concept behind this) - this is probably
where the 73/74 lineup would be had they remained together. 9 tracks, the
titles clearly indicate the date, set and piece. The exact list has been
posted some time ago on ET. Apparently, two tracks are alternative mixes of
the Japanese/PonyCanyon release of last spring. 1ii 2 on Cirkus and 4 i 1
on Sometimes God Smiles are both edits.
P2 - Live Groove
When a friend of mine heard Space Groove, he labelled it "funny
easy-listening improv for a cartoon soundtrack". Nothing very new here,
apart from "Deception of the Thrush" (atmospheric) and "Heavy
ConstruKction" (well...heavy). The rest is just... Space Groove live.
Enjoyable nonetheless. Low point: no recording dates.
Tracklist:
1 Sus-Tayn-Z
2 Heavy ConstruKction
(longer than on Cirkus and Sometimes God Smiles)
3 Deception Of The Thrush
(longer than on Cirkus)
4 X-Chayn-JiZ
(the basic riff/rhythm reminds me of THRAK)
5 Light ConstruKction
6 Vector Shift To Planet Detroit
7 Contrary ConstruKction
8 Live Groove
9 Vector Shift To Planet Belewbeloid
(who plays that funny bit at the end?)
10 21st Century Schizoid man
(2 mn, then 9 mn of crowd noise after a flash light)
P3 - Masque
That one is the big surprise. Totally unknown territory. Pat M really shows
the extent of his playing / percussion conception. The album was entirely
mixed and constructed by him, and he contributed the sleevenotes. There are
no titles, just numbers from 1 to 13 (plus one small invisible track at the
very end). The first eight tracks are strange/weird/mellow moods, then
everything gets heavier by 9 (which totally blew me away on first
listening). Pat did a lot of editing, and some tracks are assembled from
several nights. All the details are in the booklet.
P4 - West Coast Live
Not enough time to listen through that one. More familiar territory than
P3, but still ahead from P1 and P2. Lots of interesting stuff, including an
adaptation of P2's "Thrush". One small invisible track at the very end. Low
point: no recording dates.
Tracklist:
1 - 4 Ghost (Part 1)
5 - Deception Of The Thrush
6 - Hindu Fizz
7 - ProjeKction
8 - 12 Ghost (Part 2)
The box itself bears the name "King Crimson - The ProjeKcts". That should
avoid the confusion surrounding the release of Space Groove.
Laurent Masse masse at geocean dot u-bordeaux dot fr
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:52:11 +0200
From: "Christian Skina"
Subject: question for the Know All
What happened to the CC releases of Soundscapes?
Thanks
Chris
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 12:52:29 EDT
From: SPBrader at aol dot com
Subject: DGM pricing
In ET613, Ronald Chrisley raised a number of points querying the apparent
price difference between UK and US prices for KCCC releases.
As with many rants about the comparative costs of individual items, between
the UK and US in particular, the inbuilt additional costs of being a British
based business are ignored to make sensationalist points.
Just a few issues that drive up the 'non-product' costs:
1. DGM staff may not be paid more in the UK but it will cost more to employ
them.
2. Telecommunications costs are higher here.
3. Utilities costs are higher here.
4. Land based costs are much higher here.
5. Storeage/distribution costs are higher here.
6. Business taxation is higher here.
7. Media costs are higher here.
8. Printing costs are higher here.
9. Fuel costs are higher here.
10. Capital equipment costs are higher here.
DGM cannot operate in isolation of those economic factors.
Now there is a solution of course. We export the work, and the jobs it
generates, to a lower cost economy.
One last thought on the so-called price fixing cartels that are supposed to
operate in the music industry in the UK. If they are and thus ripping of
consumers to a massive extent, they would be hugely profitable and yet I
don't see too many companies from this sector in the Top200 stock listings.
Simon
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 13:15:21 -0400
From: "Dan B."
Subject: Calling Howard B.; Centipede
(Please excuse this first part, must get this out of the way:
Howard Brotine: please send me an email as i have lost your email
addy--your tape will be ready to go.)
In the interim (as i wait for a CD issue of Centipede's 'Septober
Energy'--might be a while on that one!), I have made a decent transfer
of this double-album onto 90 min. casette. Being that is from an old
LP(s) there are a few pops and crackles noticeable in the very quiet
passages (especially in the beginning 'spacey' percussion part). I am
offering this for trade as I hope this is 'acceptable' since this is OOP
& unobtainable and i feel the music is worthwhile and rewarding for
those interested in the early Crimson: there are some extremely powerful
musical moments in there. (Imagine a crazed 50 piece orchestra blaring
[in certain sections] with drumset(s) and group vocals added. (I'm sure
Frank Zappa would have liked this piece(s) if he had ever heard it.)
Please email me if interested. (Technical stuff: a Linn Sondek turntable
was used, and a reEQ [done to the best of my abilities and limited
equipment was used: a Roland VS840 digital portastudio for 'processing'
as well, was done.) It sounds pretty decent and 'balanced'. I await a
'professional' undertaking of this project, and will be at the front of
the line if this is ever issued on CD (preferably with the participation
of Mr. Fripp and Mr. Singleton and their array of TC Electronics, etc.,
gear.)
Timing:
Side 1 (21:25)
Side 2 (23:14)
--------
Side 3 (20:53)
Side 4 (18:29)
P.S. Maybe Mr. Fripp will share his views on this ancient project; he
has two credits inside the original record gatefold:
"produced by Bob Fripp"
"Producer.Robert Fripp"
(so's ya get a 'Robert' and a 'Bob' in there!)
--
"I don't want to spend my life explaining myself. Either you get it or
you don't." -- Frank Zappa
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 19:57:58 CEST
From: "Macahan The Unifaun"
Subject: Genesis tab site
Hi all!
So sorry for non-KC-content but since I've already had some request for the
URL for the Genesis tab project, I suppose there are some of you that are
interested in it. For guitar tabs:
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Villa/1848/guitar/
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Villa/1848/ is the main site, but it
doesn't work on Communicator, I think.
And let's see some action in KC-tabber land!!!
/Macahan
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:33:48 -0700
From: "Scott Steele"
Subject: Theremin; Ghost Dance
>My band uses Mellotron samples here and there and we have also faked a
>Theremin using an analogue filter module feeding back on itself.
Cool. We have a *real* Theremin though, built from a kit.
www.kspace.com/gone
>The Michael Giles / Jamie Muir CD is called Ghost Dance on Piano Records, Cat No. ( Piano501)
David Cunningham appears on this too. It's great. - S.
np: Billy Cobham, Mississippi Knights Live
scottst at ohsu dot edu
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:59:21 EDT
From: MongoBoy at aol dot com
Subject: Adrian Belew
Regrettably, erroneous posts were made in ET#613 by more than one party.
Both posters direct us to RF's diary (entry for Sat, Sept 11, 1999). In
his entry RF tells the sad news that Adrian has decided to "disengage from
King Crimson."
Further on however, RF notes, " The Double Duo has reformed, with the same
personnel as before, so that it may record & tour to furious & unfettered
acclaim before ceasing to exist, at a later time to be decided. This is the
first Crimson reincarnation that has reformed before it began for the first
time. Hey! this is Crimson."
Perhaps we should read the entire story before posting this sort of news. I
was quite saddened to read ET#613 but happy after reading RF's diary.
Best to all,
Matt Lehman
Seattle
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:30:21 -0400
From: Steve Smith
Subject: Trey Gunn's 'Raw Power'
Don't recall having read anything so far about Trey Gunn's new archival
release, 'Surfacings One: Raw Power,' a limited edition release on the
First World label. I purchased this via a link on Trey's site some weeks
ago and have been enjoying it since about two days later. It includes a
variety of unreleased music from 1990-1996.
The disc includes material from Trey's early cassette-only release 'Raw
Power,' the first recordings he ever made with a tapping instrument (the
Stick, of course, at that time) back in 1990. This material holds up every
bit as well as he hopes it will - it's terrific.
Also included are outtakes from Trey's two DGM releases 'One Thousand
Years' and 'The Third Star,' including a 10 minute version of the title
track from the first album (longer than the album's 3 minute version,
but not as long as the 22 minute original take reported by Trey. How
could more of a good thing be bad?
The final source of outtakes is from a previously unreleased recording
by a band called Believe What You Please, which featured Gunn with
percussionist Bob Muller and trumpeter Dave Douglas, the latter known
for his work in the jazz world with folks like John Zorn as well as his
own many bands. There are only two tracks from this band, but they are
well worth hearing - Gunn's music with an acoustic, breath-filled
instrument in the lead is quite remarkable, and readily brings Asiatic
modes to mind. Dave is a friend of mine and has recently made his first
album for the record label for which I work, so it's especially fun to
hear him in this context.
Sound quality is good throughout, and according to Trey's notes, this is
the first in a series of 'Surfacings' releases for material that "just
wouldn't fit" elsewhere. Something like a one-man Collector's Club,
perhaps. Based on this installment, I'm along for the ride...
Steve Smith
ssmith36 at sprynet dot com
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:54:08 +1200
From: "David MaClennan"
Subject: Fripp diary entries wanted
I've been archiving the Fripp diary entries from the DGM site, but I've been
without a computer for the past month or so. Consequently I'm missing a
chunk of these.
So if anyone has the entries for August 4-24 available as a Word document
please get in touch with me - I'd be keen to get them.
Thanks,
David Maclennan
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:05:19 +1000
From: "Rob/Dianne Dunkley"
Subject: "Melotrone"
I'm currently reading a biography of Peter Sellers by Peter Evans (The Face
Behind The Face), and have just come across a page or two about what Spike
Milligan called "The Case of the Mighty Melotrone Organ".
Sellers owned this for a period (I think in the 1960's) and Milligan
described it as "If you wanted the sound of marching feet in size ten boots
accompanied by Chopin and a portrait of Salavador Dali shaving under water
while whistling 'The Blue Bells of Scotland' this was the machine to have"
(he also talks about tapes later on).
>From what I know of the beast this seems to fit, even allowing for the
spelling (Melotrone >> Mellotron).
The instrument was apparently then given to a pianist, Alan Clare, who, due
to lack of space, on-forwarded it to Princess Margaret & Lord Snowdon (after
a brief return to Sellers) who subsequently supplied it to Robin
Douglas-Home (a writer, pianist & nephew of an ex-UK PM).
I wonder what happened to it then???
Any other well known connections?
Rob D.
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:16:44 +0200
From: izyrp at odn dot de
Subject: Mogul Thrash
Possibly the first recordings of Mr Wetton (correct me if I'm wrong)
playing superb bass with "Mogul Thrash" in 1970 are available from
http://www.disconforme.ad , a small record company from Andorra (!).
This is where Spain meets France, isn't it ?
Mogul Thrash were a six-piece containing three brass/woodwind-players
(Collosseum,Blood, sweat & tears or early Chicago coming to mind) and
played mainly compositions by their guitarist James Litherland from
"Colosseum".
Also more of interesting stuff on disconforme's Website.
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:44:46 -0400
From: Jim Bailey
Subject: Yeah, wha'apened?
>Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:12:36 PDT
>From: "Peter Drubetskoy"
>Subject: Hm..
>Just a correction - in ET#610 Jim Bailey's post "Live in Japan" seen in
a
>new light" appears under my name for some reason, well, that's not me.
>Cheers, and sorry, Jim...
>Peter.
That's ok Peter, 'tweren't your fault. Quick! somebody unchain Toby from
his desk and give him an extra-large, extra-strong coffee (or perhaps
just let him sleep for twelve hours, that should work). Our lad must've
fallen asleep on the delete key.
It kinda' confused the heck out of me, too.
(the real) Jim Bailey
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Date: 14 Sep 99 13:43:49 -0700
From: "David Voci"
Subject: Barry Godber in Milano
Hello Friends,
Would like to mention here a showing of KC's first LP cover artwork by
Barry Godber(RIP)in Milano, Italy.
If my memory serves me, there is a huge version of this album cover drawing
in the Galleria as you walk from the Duomo(famous church)to La Scala(famous
operahouse)in Milan Italy...When I was a teenager in the 70's, we used to
walk through this area and I remembered this mural lately in thoughts
Crimson...If any ETites have seen this please verify as this struck me as
funny being in this area, but then again, Europeans are pretty progressive
so this probably has a reason for being there...
The painting is above the walking area and high up in the rafters/ceiling(I
can't think of the exact word for this in architect-talk). Did KC
commission Barry to paint this or was this work already out and in
museums/shows/art galleries and KC just decided to use it for ITCOTCK?
Second point...Why does it seem to me that there are just too many
repackaging of KC material CD's?
For a guy who takes umbrage with record company tactics/milking the
musicians/fans of their money and generally one who criticises endless the
business ethics of the music world in general it seems that we have a case
of light to medium hypocrisy here.
Cirkus/Nightwatch/Frame By Frame/Concise/Compact/Abbreviated/Young
Persons(was this the first?)/etc...
Just an observation as it seems to me that RF keeps re-releasing the same
stuff over and over again.
'Night Watch' could have easily fit onto one CD if discreet editing occurred.
No bitching intended but how many times does this happen even with normal
catalogue stuff, Santana's first three, for example... new tracks added,
additional artwork etc but they expect you to rebuy the bloody things with
the added material...Big Business is Big Brother is Waiting for your
Money...(Is it 'Easy Money'?)
Puns suck but had to,
best of times,
dv
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:10:29 -0400
From: "Zachary J. Griffin"
Subject: BELEW IS NOT LEAVING KC
For those reporting Adrian Belew leaving King Crimson. I suggest you
read the diary entry marked at the time of 20.28 on Saturday September
11th. In a nutshell, it says that after a direct conversation between
Fripp and Belew. Belew decided not to leave the band and they will
still meet in October to record.
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:12:41 EDT
From: DKjb001 at aol dot com
Subject: DGM and lyric questions...
this is my first post, and i wasn't sure whether to direct this to dgm or et.
knowing the aims of dgm, i was rather alarmed when i recently purchased
"sometimes god smiles..." and then discovered the "for promotional use
only!!" warning label inside. had i purchased this directly from dgm, this
would be less of a concern. however...i purchased it for, i believe, $6.99
US from best buy...(a terrible corporation to support in the first place, but
that's a long story...)anyone know...is there cause for concern? i was
somewhat disturbed by this.
last, but not least...do any et-ers out there know of the lyrics for
"starless" --the version on CIRKUS ? they're quite different from those on
red. (if yes, please send me an e'mail: ...thank you)
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 16:37:37 +0800
From: Brady Drum Company / Chris Brady & Craftsmen
Subject: PJ Crook stuff?
Hello There!
Does anyone in ET-land know if (and where) I could obtain a
book of P.J. Crook's artwork?? The Pieces I've seen on the latest KC covers
(I feel) go well with the vibe of the music, and are excellent works in
their right.
Shane Brady
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:23:44 +0200
From: Stephane Berland
Subject: You've got to hear that once in your life !
Hi there,
Looking for information about the mp3 file format, I came across a
really strange (and somewhat hilarious) retro version of "21st Century
Schizoid Man" played by the (don't hold your breath) "ROTO ROOTER GOOD
TIME CHRISTMAS BAND".
You can download it on the band's web page :
http://hometown.aol.com/dbscdslps3/page/rotoaudio.htm
Direct download at :
http://members.aol.com/DbsCdsLpsX/schizoid.mp3
Enjoy :)
Stephane
Limours, France
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:58:18 IST
From: "chris mcgarel"
Subject: No Self Control and the birth of Discipline
I've just been listening to No Self Control by Peter Gabriel and it occurred
to me what an important track this is for prog and post-prog.
Fripp and Levin playing together against a backdrop of Steve Reich-ish
gamelan-like vibes. And this was before Discipline. Surely this track either
was heavily influenced by Fripp's vision for the 80's KC or it shaped it
entirely. That would all depend who had most musical input on the track
(always difficult to guess with so many great guest appearances on Gabriel's
work).
Along with Talking Heads and Byrne/Eno I reckon Peter Gabriel's 3rd album
needs to be considered a seminal work in the reshaping of prog, coming out
of the punk/new wave period.
I must listen to the rest of this album again to see if it all stands up in
this light or is it just that track.
Wouldn't it be great to hear the Double Duo play No Self Control with
interlocking guitars replacing the vibes?
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 17:43:17 +0100
From: paul dot williams at eu dot nabgroup dot com
Subject: Samples KC idea?
In order to assuage the thirst of the audience that wants to hear old KC stuff
in a live or even recorded environment, I was wondering as to whether RF has
ever, or would ever consider using old KC samples as part of his guitar setup.
Transposing the old 'sounds' into a new musical creation? Could be a fun
projekct incorporated within new KC creations? An Epitaph / Warr guitar / Vdrum
cocktail perchance?
I'm fairly certain that it could be achieved given the current sampling
technologies available to the serious music and studio professional
Just an idea
Paul Williams
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:20:23 -0700
From: Andre LaFosse
Subject: Some interesting Bruford news...
This comes from the Mark Nauseef/Miroslav Tadic website
(http://shoko.calarts.edu/~snakes), under the "News" section:
------
Mark is currently enjoying a break from touring and concentrating his
energy on creative and logistical aspects of our new group. The line-up
of this (still unnamed) band is as follows:
Bill Bruford and
Mark Nauseef on drums and percussion
Steve Swallow on bass
David Torn and
Miroslav Tadic on acoustic and electric guitars
We are looking forward to start working together toward the end of the
year, and expect the band to take full flight during the year 2000.
------
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 18:59:45 -0400
From: David Beardsley
Subject: Re: Cale and Young
Why this appeared in ETalk, I don't know but here's my 2 cents:
> From: flaherty michael w
>
> 1. The work John Cale has done with Lamont Young has not been released
His name is La Monte.
> because Young has demanded that Cale and Tony Conrad sign papers giving
> him sole writing credit for what were group improvs. Cale and Conrad have
> (rightfully, in my opinion) refused,
My impression is that La Monte is the composer and
those guys were performing under contract.
> and so the music goes unreleased.
No. It's unreleased because La Monte hasn't had a record
contract in years.
> Reports have it that Young has also put himself up and Cale and Conrad
> down in the mixes.
Whos reports? Tony Conrad? Come on man - he changes
his story from interview to interview!
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 07:36:05 +0800
From: Brady Drum Company / Chris Brady & Craftsmen
Subject: P.J. Crook stuff part 2
Hello Again,
please regard my earlier post looking for P.J. Crook stuff as
laziness. A quick net browse revealed 'P.J. Crook- Monograph 93', 63 color
reproductions in hardback for 20 pounds. Anyone else interested e-mail:
p dot j dot crook at virgin dot net
Shane Brady
(Insert quote by somebody famous here)
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:44:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: flaherty michael w
Subject: And then Belew came back and ...
... everyone was happy.
On the 20.28 of Robert's diary entry for 11 september, he says that
Adrian's back. Before (or, more likely, as) people rip me apart for
"making a mistake" (oh, my God!), let me quickly add that when I posted
the original message this section was not yet listed on the diary
(whether through the "fault" of DGM or my crappy computer, I have no
idea).
Michael Flaherty
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:08:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Punksatan Bobby
Subject: Pavlovs dog
Yes that is Bill Bruford and he plays on 2 Pavlovs Albums, "Pampered Menial"
and "At The Sound Of The Bell".
Quite a good group, the singer has a extremely high pitched voice.
Check it out...
Rafael Maria di Liumbard
Chairman of NotWorthShitProductions
and
Holy spirit of St.Lois
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 06:22:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Punksatan Bobby
Subject: RE: Mellotron Smellotron
In ET 613 Brad Wilmot Wrote disliking of the mellotron as an istrument.
I'll just say this, When Yes Tured with a live Synphony Orchestra on the
"Tales From Topografic..." tour, it wasn't anywhere near the exellence when
before and after they played the same tunes with the "Tron". There is
something extraordinary about that noisy, dirty sound. It makes the grandour
in Symphonic music and else...
Adrian playing stringsounds on the guitar, ok, sounds nice, but it is
NOTHING compared to the "Tron"-sound. Ok you can make good "copies" of how
it sounded, but there is also the mistuning, it's limitations (8s
playability), and and monstruosity as an instrument, sitting behind a "Tron"
is like sitting behind Brufords rig, you feel as a king, All of this plus
more made the "Tron" parts of KC and other bands all that they are.
The "Tron" IS Symphonic/Progressive-music.
At least I think so...
Rafael Maria di Liumbard
Chairman of NotWorthShitProductions
and
Holy spirit of St.Lois
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:48:56 -0400
From: "merella"
Subject: Re: Bruford Interview and Mellotrons
I just finished the Amplifier interview with Bruford and was rather
surprised by his comments on Jazz. Bill sounds exasperated about the
American unappreciation of it's "one indigenous art form". I think the key
word here is indigenous. Is it a Biblical qoute that states: "A prophet is
never recognized in his own country"? I guess I share a parallel sentiment
with Bill. I find it odd that the British never really warmed up to King
Crimson. I think Fripp said somewhere that the '73-4 lineup had little use
for Britain or Europe and had their greatest success in The States. This may
have changed with the '80's lineup (I don't know). It seems things foreign
are more alluring. I think jazz will always be underground and is probably
better off so (though it would be nice if the musicians performing it could
make a decent living). Even if jazz is more appreciated abroad, I'm sure
Celine Dion, Michael Jackson and Co. are selling the big numbers. I'm glad
that Bruford brings his group to the U.S. but why travel all that way to
play a music in it's place of origin yet "nobody knows about"? Maybe
foreigners playing jazz will rekindle it's interest here! I loved Bill's
decription of contemporary jazz as "hot tub jazz" (hee hee).
Concerning Mellotrons: I was browsing around a used bookstore and while
thumbing through a biography on James Joyce I found he actually used a
Mellotron to compose music for his series of poems "Chamber Music"! ENOUGH
ALREADY!
Mark Merella
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:15:00 +1000
From: Glenn_Coxhead at neca dot nec dot com dot au
Subject: Overseas Collectors Club Subscribers
Just wondering if non UK and US subscribers to the Collectors Club
have received releases 5 & 6, King Crimson On Broadway - Live in NYC
1995, yet?
I've been eagerly awaiting its arrival since first hearing about it in
July but as yet have not received anything. I've emailed DGM several
times and have received no reply!
Also, has anyone received anything about re-subscribing yet? I was
anticipating some sort of notification in the mail but again I haven't
seen anything as yet! Having been a subscriber from day one I
certainly don't want to miss a release!
Any help would be most appreciated.
Glenn Coxhead
Melbourne, Australia
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:58:13 +0100
From: "Mark Graham"
Subject: Sailor's Tale - help wanted.
I'm trying to figure out how to play The Sailor's Tale. Does anyone have any
tips, tabs or whatever?
I could certainly use some help - especially with the solo!
Cheers all,
Mark (bleeding fingers) Graham.
BTW - Are any KC/RF tracks available as sheet music? And if not, why not?
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:38:08 -0400
From: Steve Smith
Subject: Mexico Problems Redux
> From: Art Cohen
> Subject: Mexico problems
>
> >However when I tried to run it, it pulled up Netscape and in that
> >window, I got some weird HTTP syntax error. [snip]
>
> I had the same problem. I eventually had to take the long URL that the
> media player was trying to open in Netscape and copy and paste it into
> Internet Explorer before I could play the file.
I had been exchanging messages of frustration and woe with Dan Kirkdorffer
(bless this hero forever) ever since the day after I first posted to the
DGM Guestbook about having no luck playing the Mexico City file.
During the course of trying to get the damned thing to play, I downloaded
it in its entirety twice (at 4 or so hours apiece), downloaded, installed,
uninstalled and reinstalled the Media Player *four* times, "Smart Updated"
my Netscape browser twice, and uninstalled and deleted Internet Explorer
4.0 altogther to make the Media Player recognize Netscape as my default
browser. I changed directories, erased spaces, renamed files. And none of
this worked.
Dan was baffled and I was simply increasingly irritated. But one thing was
positive - it couldn't be because I wasn't using Internet Explorer, because
Dan and any number of others had been successful with Netscape.
So when I saw Art's message (above), I decided that perhaps I'd better give
it one last shot in the manner he described. I took 90 minutes to download
Internet Explorer 5.0, so that I could launch the Media Player, capture
that faulty URL and paste it into Explorer.
You can imagine how little I was surprised when I launched the Media Player
and it pulled up not the default Netscape window but a shiny new Explorer
window. (I'm guessing that IE 5.0 took the liberty of changing my system
settings and defaults, just as I see it's "conveniently" imported all of my
Netscape bookmarks.) And suddenly I could register the Mexico City file
with my e-mail address, and now it's playing on my system, flawlessly
except for some nasty skipping when too many things are going on at once in
my processor. Guess I'll be buying a CD-R burner soon just to get this
beast off of my hard drive... if only to make room for more.
Yes, okay, I'm happy the damned concert finally plays. I'm sure I'll be
really happy with the performance in an aesthetic sense when my sense of
indignation wears off. I bear no ill towards DGM at all and will gladly
pay for the rights to download, listen to and view whatever they choose to
make available, now that my system works.
But for what I went through and what I had to do to solve the problem, I
have to hope that Microsoft ultimately gets *bent over the table* in their
anti-trust suit. And that's my last word on the subject.
Steve Smith
ssmith36 at sprynet dot com
NP - King Crimson, "Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Part 2," 'Live in Mexico City' (DGM)
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 20:44:06 -0400
From: "Bill Duhigg"
Subject: e-music
I finally got my 100Mhz PC to play the "Mexico City" file without skipping
and dubbed it to a cassette. Thanks, Mr. Fripp, it sounds great.
Do any of the in-the-know DGM/ET folk know how many licenses have been
granted, i.e.: how many earnest, hirsute, be-spectacled types have
successfully downloaded and played LiMC?
A suggestion: Instead of selling LiMC (and other downloaded concerts) on a
traditional CD, gather together many show files, the Media Players, DGM
promo stuff, etc., on a data CD for those can't do the download or want
backup copies.
Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:10:15 -0700
From: Mike Reed
Subject: Mexico City Download
After a week and a bottle of tums I was finally able to download the file.
The suggestion to use Go!Zilla for the download was the trick - thanks to
whoever it was that put that word out. BTW, the concert is great and the
sound quality ain't all that bad - suprisingly good, from what I'd heard
and was expecting. Keep up the good work! Mike R, Texas
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 01:42:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: david craig
Subject: Mexico City for Mac OS: Virtual PC?
I'd like to have a go at using Virtual PC 3 [Win 98] to listen to the
Mexico City show. While DOS is old-hat to me -- that's why I use a
Macintosh -- Virtual PC is not. I would _very_ much appreciate
help/instructions from anyone who has successfully installed the MS media
player into VPC, and been able to listen to the otherwise useless .wma file
I've downloaded.
I suppose personal replies are appropriate here. Once I have successful
instructions, I will re-post them to the list, or at least, submit them to
Dan for inclusion in the FAQ.
Thanks and regards,
David Craig
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:09:11 -0400 (CLT)
From: "Miguel Farah F."
Subject: Live in Mexico City - do you have trouble downloading it?
Hi all.
I've set up a small WWW page that has some useful items for the Live In
Mexico City concert:
1) a front and back cover for CD (the one Daniel Mora offered in ET
612, included with his permission).
2) The concert, in a ZIPped file. Also, the same file, split into 2M
segments. If you have a slow or unreliable connection, and haven't been
able to download the 32meg file, this is it!
3) Both winamp 2.24 and 2.50c, taken from ftp.winamp.com.
The URL is http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel/KC/
--
MIGUEL FARAH // miguel at webhost dot cl
#include // http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel
<*>
"Trust me - I know what I'm doing."
- Sledge Hammer
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 18:49:18 EDT
From: Ctao at aol dot com
Subject: Major Bad Karma for Those Who Burn...
...CDs, that is. From a transmission medium controlled by the artists (KC,
in this case) to one controlled by the consumer (one-off CDs).
I fail to see how anyone who has any knowledge of the issues and
personalities involved could, at this late date, publicly approach ET with
the request for the collusion of another in illegally obtaining a pirated
CD of Mexico City, or any other recording, for that matter.
Folks, the technologies involved don't change the issues involved. Did KC
surrender the rights to this material somewhere? If so, excuse me. But I
sorta doubt it they did.
For the uninitiated, Fripp has written clearly and copiously on the subject
of bootlegging, recording in general, and many of the attendant issues
brought on by the "age of mechanical reproduction" (as Walter Benjamin
referred to this age of technology).
Ignorance of these ideas is completely understandable, but may not excuse
this level of rudeness and outright treachery.
Harshly,
Conor D.
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:28:38 EDT
From: TheGreatDeceiver at aol dot com
Subject: Mexico City? I'm too lazy!
I have a better idea.
How about taking Mexico City and slapping some really cool art work on the
cover and Robert can then write ten pages of liner notes. Then I can go
into Tower Records and slap down my $17.95 or $24.95 or whatever of hard
earned money and be on my merry way.
I'm much too lazy to have to hassle with all this. Thanks but no thanks
for this free-bee, but I'd just as soon pay for a real release.
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 09:44:41 +0100
From: Simon Innes
Subject: More on the Mexico City download
Dear all,
Forgive me if I am repeating something already posted, but some people may
be having problems with transferring the Mexico City download onto CD if
they are using the *latest* version of WinAmp (2.50) - this version will not
create the WAV file, coming up with a message to the effect of "cannot
create WAV from DRM enabled WMA" - in other words, because the WMA file has
copyright management WinAmp will not allow transfer to other formats.
In the context of copyright, this is probably quite correct practice;
however, as DGM have publicly stated that it is OK to make CD copies for
personal use only, it is worth pointing out that version 2.24 (as directed
by Warren Melnick in ET #613) does not impose this restriction - work on the
WMA support was obviously still in progress when this release was issued.
Follow the link given (ftp://ftp.winamp.com/pub/winamp/winamp224_full.exe
) to get version 2.24.
For those interested, I found that WinAmp was able to make the WAV file with
no problem on my PII 266 under Win95, even running in the background while
Delphi 5 consumed vast amounts of resources compiling in the foreground.
And a big thank you to RF and DGM for making this great concert available in
so innovative a manner!
Happy listening,
Simon Innes.
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